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Kathianne
08-22-2013, 02:51 AM
Germany is more free than US?

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/nsa-germany-election-angela-merkel-95775.html#ixzz2cf74iF4u


NSA scandal looms large in German election
By EMILY SCHULTHEIS (http://www.politico.com/reporters/EmilySchultheis.html) | 8/21/13 10:37 PM EDT
BERLIN — It’s election season in Germany and there’s one campaign issue that won’t go away: the NSA surveillance scandal.


A month before the Sept. 22 federal elections here, which determine whether Chancellor Angela Merkel and her party will be reelected for a third term, the NSA scandal appears in headline after headline in German newspapers.



And in what’s otherwise considered to be a fairly quiet campaign season, the new information about U.S. surveillance has given parties across the political spectrum ammunition to use against Merkel — and caused her party, the center-right Christian Democratic Union, to hit back.


The issue is unlikely to cost the very popular, two-term chancellor another four years in office: Most observers expect her to win next month. But Germany, whose citizens are suspicious of any hint of government spying, has witnessed perhaps the strongest backlash of any country against news of the NSA surveillance program since details were leaked in June.


Since then, Merkel has expressed anger over the NSA’s actions and discussed the issue with President Barack Obama when he visited Berlin. At the same time, she has urged the German people to learn the full scope of the program. Her government has also set up negotiations with the U.S. to create a “no-spy (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/official-us-germany-negotiate-spy-pact-19937099) (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/official-us-germany-negotiate-spy-pact-19937099)pact (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/official-us-germany-negotiate-spy-pact-19937099)” between the two countries.


“With every day it becomes clear to the United States that this is important for us,” she said at a July press conference in Berlin. “Germany is not a nation of surveillance. Germany is a nation of freedom.”

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CSM
08-22-2013, 05:09 AM
Germany is more free than US?

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/nsa-germany-election-angela-merkel-95775.html#ixzz2cf74iF4u

I suspect that the German people's experience with an oppressive, tyrannical regime has a lot to do with their attitude towards government spying on its own population. The SS performed a lot of their nefarious actions "for the good of the Fatherland".

Gaffer
08-22-2013, 06:42 AM
They been there and done that.Wouldn't hurt to listen to them for a change.

revelarts
08-22-2013, 06:57 AM
They been there and done that.Wouldn't hurt to listen to them for a change.

How many heads up do we need to get on this issue?

glockmail
08-22-2013, 08:04 AM
They been there and done that.Wouldn't hurt to listen to them for a change.... and to mimic their work ethic.

fj1200
08-22-2013, 08:08 AM
Germany is more free than US?

No, but they're not far behind and gaining it seems.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-22-2013, 08:32 AM
Germany is more free than US?

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/nsa-germany-election-angela-merkel-95775.html#ixzz2cf74iF4u
Negotiations with Obama??? Seriously deluded I'd say. Obama has no honor and no discipline . Nothing he says or promises as any good unless he accidently told the truth. Which almost never seems to happen IMHO. Does a lamb ask a wolf not to eat it ? If it did ask would it do any good? -Tyr