CNN raises alarm over Ted Cruz eligibility

[Jeff]

Can you believe this CNN a news network that never even mentioned Obama's right to run other than to make fun of the birthers are now worried about Ted Cruz , man this guy must have them worried or is it tit for tat , either way what nerve this station has to even comment

CNN, which like other establishment media outlets largely has ignored questions about Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility, suddenly is concerned about whether Republican Sen. Ted Cruz would qualify for the Oval Office (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/08/14/cnn_is_ted_cruz_eligible_to_run_for_president.html ).
After noting that several constitutional law experts believe Cruz would be eligible, Wolf Blitzer and Athena Jones pointed out the firebrand who has challenged the Internal Revenue Service and Obama’s political appointees “wasn’t born in the United States.”

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/cnn-raises-alarm-over-cruz-eligibility/

[aboutime]

Can you believe this CNN a news network that never even mentioned Obama's right to run other than to make fun of the birthers are now worried about Ted Cruz , man this guy must have them worried or is it tit for tat , either way what nerve this station has to even comment

CNN, which like other establishment media outlets largely has ignored questions about Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility, suddenly is concerned about whether Republican Sen. Ted Cruz would qualify for the Oval Office (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/08/14/cnn_is_ted_cruz_eligible_to_run_for_president.html ).
After noting that several constitutional law experts believe Cruz would be eligible, Wolf Blitzer and Athena Jones pointed out the firebrand who has challenged the Internal Revenue Service and Obama’s political appointees “wasn’t born in the United States.”

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/cnn-raises-alarm-over-cruz-eligibility/



Jeff. Another GREAT reason to STOP watching, and listening to CNN. Don'tcha think?

I haven't watched that station since September 11th, 2001.
I heard how much they were able to patronize their listeners, over, and over again.
And that's where I drew the line.
CNN is, and always has been "THE CLINTON NEWS NETWORK"

[Marcus Aurelius]

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[Kathianne]

A bit more and video:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/08/14/cnn_is_ted_cruz_eligible_to_run_for_president.html

[Jeff]

http://cdn.meme.li/i/o5f76.jpg

I haven't watched them in god knows how long

[Jeff]

A bit more and video:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/08/14/cnn_is_ted_cruz_eligible_to_run_for_president.html

Kat I wonder why they never had that conversation over Obama ? Never mind I already know :laugh:

[tailfins]

Jeff. Another GREAT reason to STOP watching, and listening to CNN. Don'tcha think?

I haven't watched that station since September 11th, 2001.
I heard how much they were able to patronize their listeners, over, and over again.
And that's where I drew the line.
CNN is, and always has been "THE CLINTON CASTRO NEWS NETWORK"

There, fixed it for ya'! Does anyone remember which dictator traded favorable coverage for access with CNN?

[aboutime]

There, fixed it for ya'! Does anyone remember which dictator traded favorable coverage for access with CNN?


Didn't need fixing. It's always gonna be the CLINTON network to me.
Just watch how much more it becomes dedicated to Hillary in the coming months, and years.

[Trigg]

He admits to being born in Canada therefor he can't run. I'd like to see him run, but those are the rules.

[aboutime]

He admits to being born in Canada therefor he can't run. I'd like to see him run, but those are the rules.


Agreed!

Constitutionally:
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen (http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html), or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.


AND...

AMENDMENT XXII

SECTION 1.

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
SECTION 2.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

[Marcus Aurelius]

He admits to being born in Canada therefor he can't run. I'd like to see him run, but those are the rules.

People seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of who can and cannot be President.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/yes-ted-cruz-can-be-born-in-canada-and-still-become-president-of-the-us/275469/


But what won't prevent Cruz from becoming president is his place of birth. Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, while his parents were living there. His father is now an American citizen, but was not at the time; his mother, however, was born in the United States.

Helpfully, the Congressional Research Service gathered all of the information relevant to Cruz's case a few years ago, at the height (nadir?) of Obama birtherism. In short, the Constitution says that the president must be a natural-born citizen. "The weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion appears to support the notion that 'natural born Citizen' means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship 'at birth' or 'by birth,' including any child born 'in' the United States, the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parents who has met U.S. residency requirements," the CRS's Jack Maskell wrote (http://www.scribd.com/doc/41197555/41131059-MoC-Memo-What-to-Tell-Your-Constituents-in-Answer-to-Obama-Eligibility). So in short: Cruz is a citizen; Cruz is not naturalized; therefore Cruz is a natural-born citizen, and in any case his mother is a citizen. You can read the CRS memo at bottom; here's a much longer and more detailed 2011 version (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf).



Here's a link to the CRS pdf on Presidential eligibility.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

It is my understanding that his mother, born in the US, met the U.S. residency requirements at the time of his birth. Therefore, he is, apparently, eligible to become President.

[Thunderknuckles]

He admits to being born in Canada therefor he can't run. I'd like to see him run, but those are the rules.
I don't think anyone knows what the rules actually are. There's never been a firm definition of what a natural-born citizen is. Since his mother is an American citizen, Cruz has some leeway to assume he is as well even if he was born in Canada.
The Left will surely ask this question if for nothing else than to thumb their noses at the birthers.

I wish the SCOTUS would make a final ruling on this, but only when it has a super majority of solid conservatives :p

[Marcus Aurelius]

Agreed!

Constitutionally:
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen (http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html), or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.


AND...

AMENDMENT XXII

SECTION 1.

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
SECTION 2.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

Then can I assume that you believe John McCain was not eligible to run for President? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

[Trigg]

Then can I assume that you believe John McCain was not eligible to run for President? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone.


The difference being that John McCain was born on a military base which is considered American soil no matter where it is. So yes, McCain was eligible.

[Little-Acorn]

Can you believe this CNN a news network that never even mentioned Obama's right to run other than to make fun of the birthers are now worried about Ted Cruz , man this guy must have them worried or is it tit for tat , either way what nerve this station has to even comment


George Orwell referred to that as "doublethink".

"We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia. We are not at war with Eastasia."

He called today's liberals and their short-attention-span supporters perfectly.

[Marcus Aurelius]

The difference being that John McCain was born on a military base which is considered American soil no matter where it is. So yes, McCain was eligible.

technically, that is incorrect. Embassies and consulates, yes. Military bases, no.


EDIT:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf


Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad
and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of the United
States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the
premises of such a facility is not born in the United States and does not
acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

[Trigg]

ok I was slightly wrong about that.

McCain was still eligible to run though

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/john-mccains-presidential-eligibility/


But McCain is a natural-born citizen, even though he was not born within this country’s borders, since his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. As a congressional act stated in 1790 (http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llsl/001/0200/02280104.tif):

Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."





Going back to the argument about Obama, a lot of the talk had to do with his mother being under 21 when she had him and then taking him out of the country.

So, how old was Cruz's mother when she had him, and how long did he live outside of the country?

[logroller]

I think CNN is decent news network. If anything they present a favorable position on cruz's eligibility-- that since his mother was American, he is entitled to us citizenship by birthright. Ill have to check the law on such to see if uses something to the effect of shall be a citizen, as opposed to may be. But as mentioned, the constitution gives no definition of what is considered natural-born. It would make sense to me that natural-born is differentiated from naturalized immigrant.

[Thunderknuckles]

ok I was slightly wrong about that.

McCain was still eligible to run though

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/john-mccains-presidential-eligibility/




Going back to the argument about Obama, a lot of the talk had to do with his mother being under 21 when she had him and then taking him out of the country.

So, how old was Cruz's mother when she had him, and how long did he live outside of the country?
Nice find on the fact check Trigg. Doesn't that mean Cruz is eligible?

[logroller]

In think this is the law that enabled McCain to be considered natural born. I don't think Cruz qualifies though.


INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH




Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:


(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;


(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;


(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;


(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;


(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;


(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;




(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and


(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. 302 persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899

[aboutime]

technically, that is incorrect. Embassies and consulates, yes. Military bases, no.


EDIT:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf


Marcus. Please take my word for it. I have some experience with this, personally.

Any American born to an American family in the Military, on a U.S. Military base, anywhere in the World IS...A citizen, and considered Natural Born.

[truthmatters]

Your spot on.I called this one when they tried to say McCain was not in the running because if it