Stepfather accused of drowning girl, 3, for insurance

[nevadamedic]

Story Highlights
• Rescuers trying to save 3-year-old said man dry, never asked if girl would live
• Joel Zellmer suspected of drowning Ashley in pool to collect $200,000 policy
• Investigators: Has history of harming girlfriends' children to collect insurance
• Accused of burning kids; breaking a baby's leg, putting baby in hot tub, girl in pool

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/08/insurance.drowning.ap/index.html

What a complete POS, he should get the Death Penalty :mad:

[Doniston]

Story Highlights
• Rescuers trying to save 3-year-old said man dry, never asked if girl would live
• Joel Zellmer suspected of drowning Ashley in pool to collect $200,000 policy
• Investigators: Has history of harming girlfriends' children to collect insurance
• Accused of burning kids; breaking a baby's leg, putting baby in hot tub, girl in pool

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/08/insurance.drowning.ap/index.html

What a complete POS, he should get the Death Penalty :mad: Agreed , even if the girl hadn't died.

[nevadamedic]

Agreed , even if the girl hadn't died.

If he has a history of doing this, why was this guy able to do this again?

[Gaffer]

If he has a history of doing this, why was this guy able to do this again?

That's my question. Why is he not in jail already?

[KarlMarx]

I've heard that a child is 20 times more likely to be abused or killed by a step-parent or its mother's boyfriend than its own father.

Family Court judges --- are you listening?

[nevadamedic]

I've heard that a child is 20 times more likely to be abused or killed by a step-parent or its mother's boyfriend than its own father.

Family Court judges --- are you listening?

What can the family court do? Only if there was a case in their court can they act. The burden falls on CPS which as an agency is way understaffed and managed. Were just caught in a vicious cycle that will never end and kids will keep dying because oour law enforcement is more concerned about protecting people like Paris Hilton and escorting her to a court appearance then our children.

[Nukeman]

What can the family court do? Only if there was a case in their court can they act. The burden falls on CPS which as an agency is way understaffed and managed. Were just caught in a vicious cycle that will never end and kids will keep dying because oour law enforcement is more concerned about protecting people like Paris Hilton and escorting her to a court appearance then our children.


You missed the point.. What Karl is saying is that the courts need to look at the fact that it is the childs mothers "boyfriend" or "stepfather" causing harm to the children.

If the FATHER had custody of the child there is no "stepfather" or "boyfriend". That is the point Karl is making. Women almost always receive primary cutody and than with the introduction of other male's into the mix the child is at higher risk of injury.

What Karl is saying to the courts is that the children are safer with their fathers than with some of their mothers.....

[KarlMarx]

You missed the point.. What Karl is saying is that the courts need to look at the fact that it is the childs mothers "boyfriend" or "stepfather" causing harm to the children.

If the FATHER had custody of the child there is no "stepfather" or "boyfriend". That is the point Karl is making. Women almost always receive primary cutody and than with the introduction of other male's into the mix the child is at higher risk of injury.

What Karl is saying to the courts is that the children are safer with their fathers than with some of their mothers.....
That's right Nukeman. Courts decide to grant custody to the women in the lion's share of the cases (I once read that New York State, the figure is somewhere close to 90%).

No wonder many men just give up rather than fight for their kids. The courts place a iron curtain between their kids and them.

[LiberalNation]

You also have to realize a lot of guys don't want the kids full time or at all.

[KarlMarx]

You also have to realize a lot of guys don't want the kids full time or at all.
But I'm not talking about guys that don't want the kids. I'm talking about the ones who do.

You should also realize that the divorce racket is a multi billion dollar industry in this country. Approximately 1.5 million divorces occur each year in this country. If you assume that the average cost of a divorce is about $5,000, you get $7.5 Billion. Believe me, the lawyers just love that. If the family court system is broken, it's because lawyers want it that way.

It also is one of the Left's ways of redistributing wealth from who they perceive as the "haves" (men) to the "have nots" (women).

Whether that is actually true in any single court case does not seem to matter. Men are part of the evil patriarchy and women are oppressed and nurturing. Family court judges seem to live in that fairy tale world.

[LiberalNation]

Bad experience? I know a lot of divorced woman and their men won’t even pay child support regularly let alone want to see the kids. On the other hand I have an uncle with full custody of his daughter cuz the moms a screw up. Mother tend to be more attached and want the kids full time more often then dads and I do think that could be part of the trend but sure there are screw ups where the kid would be better off and dad wants them but mom gets them.

[KarlMarx]

Bad experience? I know a lot of divorced woman and their men won’t even pay child support regularly let alone want to see the kids. On the other hand I have an uncle with full custody of his daughter cuz the moms a screw up. Mother tend to be more attached and want the kids full time more often then dads and I do think that could be part of the trend but sure there are screw ups where the kid would be better off and dad wants them but mom gets them.
I know at least one deadbeat mom. I have paid everything, from child support to music lessons. In the 15 years of our separation, she hasn't contributed one cent to our son's upkeep. She also has no regular job, nor has she looked for one. Why should she? She has a private tit to suck on!

Most don't know this, but child support is tax free to the receiver, but taxable to the payer. Also, the receiver is under no obligation to offer an explanation of what is done with the money received. If the receiver wants to spend the money on booze and boyfriends and the kids go naked and hungry, tough.

She drops our son off when she wants to go on a trip (Ireland three times), regularly changes visitation schedules, or whenever she has a need for our son to stay at home.

She got the house, she doesn't have a regular job, if the I tried to take her to court, I'd lose. So, rather than throw good money after bad, I bear it.

This is what women's lib has helped to bring about. It has helped to alienate men from their children. I'm sure Betty Friedan (if she were alive), Gloria Steinham and the rest of the feminazi bastards would be proud of themselves if they knew of this situation.