9/11/13: A call for a national day of prayer and repentance

[Jeff]

Why not a day of prayer ? and on 9/11 I think it would be very fitting

When America’s founders faced challenges, they often had the wisdom and insight to call for a national day of prayer.
America is facing challenges today that, in many ways, rival anything seen since the start of World War II.
There’s a concerted effort to redefine marriage as any union between people, regardless of sex, possibly regardless even of the number of participants in that union and possibly even regardless of the status of blood relationship between them.

http://www.wnd.com/wnd_petition/91113-a-call-for-national-day-of-prayer-and-fasting/#form

[Larrymc]

Why not a day of prayer ? and on 9/11 I think it would be very fitting

When America’s founders faced challenges, they often had the wisdom and insight to call for a national day of prayer.
America is facing challenges today that, in many ways, rival anything seen since the start of World War II.
There’s a concerted effort to redefine marriage as any union between people, regardless of sex, possibly regardless even of the number of participants in that union and possibly even regardless of the status of blood relationship between them.

http://www.wnd.com/wnd_petition/91113-a-call-for-national-day-of-prayer-and-fasting/#formMany Presidents have called for Nation wide pryer in trying times, but its gotten to the point when Obama even mentions faith, he is such a phony "It just angers me"

[Jeff]

Many Presidents have called for Nation wide pryer in trying times, but its gotten to the point when Obama even mentions faith, he is such a phony "It just angers me"

Obama has cancelled the Christian day of prayer he now has a Muslin Pray, this was a big argument on FB and one of the liberals posted where he didn't cancel the day of prayer he actually had a Muslim pray instead

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Obama has cancelled the Christian day of prayer he now has a Muslin Pray, this was a big argument on FB and one of the liberals posted where he didn't cancel the day of prayer he actually had a Muslim pray instead
You do not see that put out by the media for public consumption do you? Because it shows where his true allegiance is!!!!! With the muslims, that's a fact..-Tyr

[Larrymc]

Obama has cancelled the Christian day of prayer he now has a Muslin Pray, this was a big argument on FB and one of the liberals posted where he didn't cancel the day of prayer he actually had a Muslim pray insteadOOOWA:blowup:

[jafar00]

OOOWA:blowup:

Why do you hate the idea?

[Larrymc]

Why do you hate the idea?Im a Christian, who believes we were Founded as a Christian Nation, and no President has ever out right disputed it until Obama.

[jafar00]

Im a Christian, who believes we were Founded as a Christian Nation, and no President has ever out right disputed it until Obama.

So only Christians are allowed to join in this national day of prayer?

[Larrymc]

So only Christians are allowed to join in this national day of prayer?Don't be ridicules, anyone can pray anytime and to anyone they chose. It don't matter to me, but if you ask me what i think, I'll tell you that i believe in Jesus Christ and praying to any other is a wast of time.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Why not a day of prayer ? and on 9/11 I think it would be very fitting

When America’s founders faced challenges, they often had the wisdom and insight to call for a national day of prayer.
America is facing challenges today that, in many ways, rival anything seen since the start of World War II.
There’s a concerted effort to redefine marriage as any union between people, regardless of sex, possibly regardless even of the number of participants in that union and possibly even regardless of the status of blood relationship between them.

http://www.wnd.com/wnd_petition/91113-a-call-for-national-day-of-prayer-and-fasting/#form A great suggestion. However , Obama is far more likely to call for a muslim festivity than he ever is for a Christian call for prayers.--Tyr

[Larrymc]

Obama has cancelled the Christian day of prayer he now has a Muslin Pray, this was a big argument on FB and one of the liberals posted where he didn't cancel the day of prayer he actually had a Muslim pray insteadI knew he did that's what prompted the response above, Sense some or confused how Obama ends up in this thread. There it is

[jafar00]

Don't be ridicules, anyone can pray anytime and to anyone they chose. It don't matter to me, but if you ask me what i think, I'll tell you that i believe in Jesus Christ and praying to any other is a wast of time.

Why not pray to God instead? Jesus was a great man, but we shouldn't be worshipping men, even if they are a prophet.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Why not pray to God instead? Jesus was a great man, but we shouldn't be worshipping men, even if they are a prophet.
I know you are an unbeliever but Jesus was the Son of God sent to be sacrificed for ALL our sins. The just a prophet part many would attach to Mohammad but even there it's wrong. All his words came directly from his desires and wants and were not given to him by God. One need only witness his changing things later in life to understand that God makes no mistakes and would need no later corrections. Just as the words made by that military Christian chaplain were correct and need not be condemned nor any punishment delivered.. -Tyr

Seek the truth while you still can Jafar... -Tyr

[Larrymc]

Why not pray to God instead? Jesus was a great man, but we shouldn't be worshipping men, even if they are a prophet.Unless you were raised under a rock, I'm sure this is not the first time you've had this conversation, so I'm not going to explain it again.

[aboutime]

Why not pray to God instead? Jesus was a great man, but we shouldn't be worshipping men, even if they are a prophet.


jafar. Why won't you use the word ALLAH in your question above? Hypocrisy seems to be your trademark lately.

[jafar00]

Unless you were raised under a rock, I'm sure this is not the first time you've had this conversation, so I'm not going to explain it again.

I have it almost daily with a well meaning old fella who lives around here who often tries his hand at converting me while he is on his way to "witness" the Jews near Bondi. :)


jafar. Why won't you use the word ALLAH in your question above? Hypocrisy seems to be your trademark lately.

What is the English word for God? Why is it hypocrisy to name God in the same language that you understand?

What else would you prefer?
Dios?
Dieu?
יהוה?
Gott?
الله?
கடவுள்?
신?
Jumala?
Bog?
Bůh?
θεός?
Zot?
Isten?
神?
ພຣະເຈົ້າ?
Gud?

[tailfins]

Why do you hate the idea?

Because it's aligned with the same people who try to remove nativity scenes and any other time would be hostile to traditional expressions of faith. It boils down to "How stupid do you think we are"? It's also high time Muslims stop allying themselves with the Secularists.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I have it almost daily with a well meaning old fella who lives around here who often tries his hand at converting me while he is on his way to "witness" the Jews near Bondi. :)



What is the English word for God? Why is it hypocrisy to name God in the same language that you understand?

What else would you prefer?
Dios?
Dieu?
יהוה?
Gott?
الله?
கடவுள்?
신?
Jumala?
Bog?
Bůh?
θεός?
Zot?
Isten?
神?
ພຣະເຈົ້າ?
Gud?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_ChristianityVeneration of the name of God goes back to the Old Testament, and as in Exodus 20:7 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Exodus#20:7), the Ten Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments) state: "You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God".[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Ethics32-29) Christians teachings view this commandment as not simply an avoidance of the use of the name of God, but as a directive to exalt it, through both pious deeds and praise.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Miller-3)
In Christian teachings, the name of God is not simply a label, but involves divine mysteries that require and preempt respect and praise.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Systematic47-1) Louis Berkhof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Berkhof) states that the issue surrounding the use and interpretation of the names of God provide a theological puzzle in that given that God is "infinite and incomprehensible", his names transcend human thought, yet they allow him to be revealed to humans as he descends to what is finite and comprehensible.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Systematic47-1) Thus the name of God has always been revered in the Christian tradition, and has been associated with his presence.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Systematic47-1)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Brom504-10)
Name of God, way of God[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Name_of_God_in_Christianity&action=edit&section=5)]The traditions and the hymnody of Christian liturgy have for long emphasized the importance of acting in the name of God, e.g. the Sanctus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctus) (which may go back to the year 200) states: "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-30)
Going back to Church Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers) such as Cyril of Alexandria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_of_Alexandria), in Christian teachings the name of God has been seen as a representation of the entire system of "divine truth" revealed to the faithful "that believe on his name" as in John 1:12 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#1:12) or "walk in the name of the Lord our God" in Micah 4:5 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Micah#4:5).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Pink23-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Cyril-6) This is further shown in Jesus' Farewell Discourse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_Discourse) to his disciples at the end of the Last Supper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Supper), in which he addresses the Father and in John 17:6 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#17:6) and 17:26 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#17:6) states:[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Pink23-5)
<dl><dd>"I manifested thy name unto the men whom thou gavest me out of the world." (17:6)</dd><dd>" I made known unto them thy name, and will make it known" (17:26)</dd></dl>In Revelation 3:12 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Revelation#3:12) those who bear the name of God are destined for Heaven.[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-31) In Christian teachings, although the people of God bear the name of God, even they can offend the name of God by transgressing against the nature of God, and disobeying his commandments, as in Romans 2:24 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Romans#2:24): "For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written.".[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Brom482-32)
Hallowed be thy Name[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Name_of_God_in_Christianity&action=edit&section=6)]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Meister_des_Lehrbuchs_Kaiser_Maximilians_I._001.jp g/170px-Meister_des_Lehrbuchs_Kaiser_Maximilians_I._001.jp g (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_des_Lehrbuchs_Kaiser_Maximilians_I._0 01.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.22wmf10/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_des_Lehrbuchs_Kaiser_Maximilians_I._0 01.jpg)
The Lord's Prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer), in Matthew 6:9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:9), 1500, Vienna


The first petition in the Lord's Prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer) is "Hallowed be thy Name" and is addressed to "Our Father who art in Heaven". In his 4th century sermon "Hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom Come", Gregory of Nyssa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_of_Nyssa) referred to Romans 2:24 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Romans#2:24) and Ezekiel 36:23 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Ezekiel#36:23) which states:
<dl><dd>"And I will sanctify my great name, which hath been profaned among the nations, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, saith the Lord Jehovah, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes."</dd></dl>Gregory stated that the petition that starts the Lord's prayer deals with the insults, disregard, and inattention to the honor of God's name and seeks to remedy that through the pious actions of believers.[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-33) Modern Christian theology has continued that teaching, and also adds that the remedy also involves the judgement of God against those who disrespect his name.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Georg282-4)
In John 12:27 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#12:27) Jesus submits a petition to the Father and receives a response:[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-WBC274-7)
<dl><dd>"Father, glorify thy name. There came therefore a voice out of heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."</dd></dl>The first glorification refers to Matthew 3:17 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Matthew#3:17): "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." at the start of the Ministry of Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Jesus) with his Baptism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Jesus), and the second to his upcoming crucifixion.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-WBC274-7) Thus in John 12:30 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#12:30) Jesus explains to the crowd who hear the voice: "This voice hath not come for my sake, but for your sakes", referring to his crucifixion as the key element of the path to salvation.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-WBC274-7)
Other prayers in various Christian traditions have continued to refer to the name of God, e.g. the Catholic Golden Arrow prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Arrow_Holy_Face_Devotion_(Prayer)) begins with:[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Ball209-34)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-35)
<dl><dd>May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable,</dd><dd>most incomprehensible and ineffable Name of God</dd><dd>be forever praised, blessed, loved, adored</dd><dd>and glorified in Heaven, on earth,</dd><dd>and under the earth,</dd><dd>by all the creatures of God</dd></dl>The widespread use of the Jesus prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_prayer) in the Eastern Orthodox Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church) has also been associated with the power of the name of God, with continuing theological discussions.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-36)

[jafar00]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_ChristianityVeneration of the name of God goes back to the Old Testament, and as in Exodus 20:7 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Exodus#20:7), the Ten Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments) state: "You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God".[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Ethics32-29) Christians teachings view this commandment as not simply an avoidance of the use of the name of God, but as a directive to exalt it, through both pious deeds and praise.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Miller-3)
In Christian teachings, the name of God is not simply a label, but involves divine mysteries that require and preempt respect and praise.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Systematic47-1) Louis Berkhof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Berkhof) states that the issue surrounding the use and interpretation of the names of God provide a theological puzzle in that given that God is "infinite and incomprehensible", his names transcend human thought, yet they allow him to be revealed to humans as he descends to what is finite and comprehensible.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Systematic47-1) Thus the name of God has always been revered in the Christian tradition, and has been associated with his presence.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Systematic47-1)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Brom504-10)
Name of God, way of God[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Name_of_God_in_Christianity&action=edit&section=5)]

The traditions and the hymnody of Christian liturgy have for long emphasized the importance of acting in the name of God, e.g. the Sanctus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctus) (which may go back to the year 200) states: "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-30)
Going back to Church Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers) such as Cyril of Alexandria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_of_Alexandria), in Christian teachings the name of God has been seen as a representation of the entire system of "divine truth" revealed to the faithful "that believe on his name" as in John 1:12 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#1:12) or "walk in the name of the Lord our God" in Micah 4:5 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Micah#4:5).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Pink23-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Cyril-6) This is further shown in Jesus' Farewell Discourse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_Discourse) to his disciples at the end of the Last Supper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Supper), in which he addresses the Father and in John 17:6 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#17:6) and 17:26 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#17:6) states:[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Pink23-5)
<dl><dd>"I manifested thy name unto the men whom thou gavest me out of the world." (17:6)</dd><dd>" I made known unto them thy name, and will make it known" (17:26)</dd></dl>In Revelation 3:12 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Revelation#3:12) those who bear the name of God are destined for Heaven.[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-31) In Christian teachings, although the people of God bear the name of God, even they can offend the name of God by transgressing against the nature of God, and disobeying his commandments, as in Romans 2:24 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Romans#2:24): "For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written.".[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Brom482-32)
Hallowed be thy Name[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Name_of_God_in_Christianity&action=edit&section=6)]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Meister_des_Lehrbuchs_Kaiser_Maximilians_I._001.jp g/170px-Meister_des_Lehrbuchs_Kaiser_Maximilians_I._001.jp g (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_des_Lehrbuchs_Kaiser_Maximilians_I._0 01.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.22wmf10/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_des_Lehrbuchs_Kaiser_Maximilians_I._0 01.jpg)
The Lord's Prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer), in Matthew 6:9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:9), 1500, Vienna


The first petition in the Lord's Prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer) is "Hallowed be thy Name" and is addressed to "Our Father who art in Heaven". In his 4th century sermon "Hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom Come", Gregory of Nyssa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_of_Nyssa) referred to Romans 2:24 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Romans#2:24) and Ezekiel 36:23 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Ezekiel#36:23) which states:
<dl><dd>"And I will sanctify my great name, which hath been profaned among the nations, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, saith the Lord Jehovah, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes."</dd></dl>Gregory stated that the petition that starts the Lord's prayer deals with the insults, disregard, and inattention to the honor of God's name and seeks to remedy that through the pious actions of believers.[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-33) Modern Christian theology has continued that teaching, and also adds that the remedy also involves the judgement of God against those who disrespect his name.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Georg282-4)
In John 12:27 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#12:27) Jesus submits a petition to the Father and receives a response:[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-WBC274-7)
<dl><dd>"Father, glorify thy name. There came therefore a voice out of heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."</dd></dl>The first glorification refers to Matthew 3:17 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/Matthew#3:17): "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." at the start of the Ministry of Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Jesus) with his Baptism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Jesus), and the second to his upcoming crucifixion.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-WBC274-7) Thus in John 12:30 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(American_Standard)/John#12:30) Jesus explains to the crowd who hear the voice: "This voice hath not come for my sake, but for your sakes", referring to his crucifixion as the key element of the path to salvation.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-WBC274-7)
Other prayers in various Christian traditions have continued to refer to the name of God, e.g. the Catholic Golden Arrow prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Arrow_Holy_Face_Devotion_(Prayer)) begins with:[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-Ball209-34)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-35)
<dl><dd>May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable,</dd><dd>most incomprehensible and ineffable Name of God</dd><dd>be forever praised, blessed, loved, adored</dd><dd>and glorified in Heaven, on earth,</dd><dd>and under the earth,</dd><dd>by all the creatures of God</dd></dl>The widespread use of the Jesus prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_prayer) in the Eastern Orthodox Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church) has also been associated with the power of the name of God, with continuing theological discussions.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_God_in_Christianity#cite_note-36)

mmmkay, but which language would you prefer me to use when mentioning God?

[Drummond]

mmmkay, but which language would you prefer me to use when mentioning God?

I'm with Aboutime, when he posted ..

[jafar. Why won't you use the word ALLAH in your question above?[/quote]

I'm sure us English speakers are well acquainted with the name 'Allah' .. after all, terrorists aren't shy of invoking the name in mid-slaughter, whether or not they're killing in an English-speaking country (I think I'm right in saying that it was shouted some time during Lee Rigby's murder in Woolwich, for example).

Which brings me neatly back to Aboutime's point. Why, thus far, have you avoided the very name you must be highly familiar with ?

[Jeff]

Why not pray to God instead? Jesus was a great man, but we shouldn't be worshipping men, even if they are a prophet.

No man may enter Heaven without believing in God and his son Jesus and must also believe Jesus died for our sins so we may have ever lasting life in heaven

[Jeff]

I have it almost daily with a well meaning old fella who lives around here who often tries his hand at converting me while he is on his way to "witness" the Jews near Bondi. :)



What is the English word for God? Why is it hypocrisy to name God in the same language that you understand?

What else would you prefer?
Dios?
Dieu?
יהוה?
Gott?
الله?
கடவுள்?
신?
Jumala?
Bog?
Bůh?
θεός?
Zot?
Isten?
神?
ພຣະເຈົ້າ?
Gud?

jafar I think deep down you are a good guy and truly believe in your religion but man unless you believe in God ( not Allah ) and believe Jesus dies for our sins so we may live eternal life in Heaven ya wont make it, so yes I understand why this man preaches to you, if he didn't like ya he wouldn't try , myself what little I know you I would love to have the knowledge to get ya to convert ( but it is sad to say ) I just simply don't have the knowledge to preach to someone, I can only tell you how God has changed my life and how much better of a man he has made me, and yes when people feel that strongly they want to share with the people they like

[jafar00]

I'm with Aboutime, when he posted ..

[jafar. Why won't you use the word ALLAH in your question above?

I did. :/


I'm sure us English speakers are well acquainted with the name 'Allah' .. after all, terrorists aren't shy of invoking the name in mid-slaughter, whether or not they're killing in an English-speaking country (I think I'm right in saying that it was shouted some time during Lee Rigby's murder in Woolwich, for example).

Which brings me neatly back to Aboutime's point. Why, thus far, have you avoided the very name you must be highly familiar with ?

Allah is the Arabic word for God. I am addressing English speakers, so I use God. Again I ask, if you would prefer me to name God in a different language, just say so.


No man may enter Heaven without believing in God and his son Jesus and must also believe Jesus died for our sins so we may have ever lasting life in heaven

We are taught that Jesus did not die, it only appeared so. He was raised into heaven before death.

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. (4:157-158)

It's clear in the Qur'aan. Jesus was saved the dishonour of being executed due to his position as one of God's most beloved of servants and his executioners were made to fail.


jafar I think deep down you are a good guy and truly believe in your religion but man unless you believe in God ( not Allah ) and believe Jesus dies for our sins so we may live eternal life in Heaven ya wont make it, so yes I understand why this man preaches to you, if he didn't like ya he wouldn't try , myself what little I know you I would love to have the knowledge to get ya to convert ( but it is sad to say ) I just simply don't have the knowledge to preach to someone, I can only tell you how God has changed my life and how much better of a man he has made me, and yes when people feel that strongly they want to share with the people they like

God = Allah. It's the same word in different languages. I wholeheartedly believe there is only One God. I don't believe that Jesus died for our sins as an easy mode way into heaven. We have to work at that doing good deeds and living a good life here on Earth before judgment day comes along and our good and bad deeds are weighed up.

Jesus will be one of those with the power of intercession on the day of judgement. May he intercede for you.

[aboutime]

I did. :/



Allah is the Arabic word for God. I am addressing English speakers, so I use God. Again I ask, if you would prefer me to name God in a different language, just say so.



We are taught that Jesus did not die, it only appeared so. He was raised into heaven before death.

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. (4:157-158)

It's clear in the Qur'aan. Jesus was saved the dishonour of being executed due to his position as one of God's most beloved of servants and his executioners were made to fail.



God = Allah. It's the same word in different languages. I wholeheartedly believe there is only One God. I don't believe that Jesus died for our sins as an easy mode way into heaven. We have to work at that doing good deeds and living a good life here on Earth before judgment day comes along and our good and bad deeds are weighed up.

Jesus will be one of those with the power of intercession on the day of judgement. May he intercede for you.


jafar, playing the semantics, and rhetorical games with words again.

Maybe jafar would like to tell us the last time any Christian who worships God....strapped a bomb to his/her chest and just before pressing the button yelled" "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

mmmkay, but which language would you prefer me to use when mentioning God?
English language. However my preference is of no consequence to you. Use whatever name you like. Your religion is Islam so you using the word Allah bothers me not at all. God is....... -Tyr

[logroller]

Obama has cancelled the Christian day of prayer he now has a Muslin Pray, this was a big argument on FB and one of the liberals posted where he didn't cancel the day of prayer he actually had a Muslim pray instead
Oh, it was on Facebook? Hard to argue that isn't testament to the fact, but as shocking as is may be with a social media source best known for its signature thumbs up symbol for "like", there is a tendency for others to pander to the public without regard to fact: the claim is false.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

Side note: what about this thread leads googleads to display a Filipino Cupid site?

[jafar00]

English language. However my preference is of no consequence to you. Use whatever name you like. Your religion is Islam so you using the word Allah bothers me not at all. God is....... -Tyr

Ok, so I'll continue with God then :)

[Marcus Aurelius]

Obama has cancelled the Christian day of prayer he now has a Muslin Pray, this was a big argument on FB and one of the liberals posted where he didn't cancel the day of prayer he actually had a Muslim pray instead

Hey, infidel...

Muslin
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/romanmr2/15519332/7608/7608_320.jpg


Muslim
http://www.instablogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/islam-will-dominate-the-world_OmYeq_16105.bmp



:poke:

[jafar00]

jafar, playing the semantics, and rhetorical games with words again.

Maybe jafar would like to tell us the last time any Christian who worships God....strapped a bomb to his/her chest and just before pressing the button yelled" "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

Well that would be a bit silly. Christmas comes from pagan roots.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Oh, it was on Facebook? Hard to argue that isn't testament to the fact, but as shocking as is may be with a social media source best known for its signature thumbs up symbol for "like", there is a tendency for others to pander to the public without regard to fact: the claim is false.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

Side note: what about this thread leads googleads to display a Filipino Cupid site?

The ads that appear are based on the cookies in your browser profile, not the content of the thread. If I Google a car part, and go to say, Advanced Auto, I suddenly start seeing Advanced Auto ads on this site. Same with Sears, or HotFillipinaChicks.com.

[red states rule]

Many Presidents have called for Nation wide pryer in trying times, but its gotten to the point when Obama even mentions faith, he is such a phony "It just angers me"

Obama probably thinks, "If the people want a god to worship - they can worship me"

[red states rule]

Oh, it was on Facebook? Hard to argue that isn't testament to the fact, but as shocking as is may be with a social media source best known for its signature thumbs up symbol for "like", there is a tendency for others to pander to the public without regard to fact: the claim is false.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

Side note: what about this thread leads googleads to display a Filipino Cupid site?

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/god-doesnt-think-hes-obama-political-humor-500x311.jpg

[Larrymc]

Oh, it was on Facebook? Hard to argue that isn't testament to the fact, but as shocking as is may be with a social media source best known for its signature thumbs up symbol for "like", there is a tendency for others to pander to the public without regard to fact: the claim is false.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

Side note: what about this thread leads googleads to display a Filipino Cupid site?I can believe he prays everyday, Probably several time a day, like all good Muslims do, but for someone who pushes gay rights, favors murdering baby's for convenience, and insist that Christians must worship in silence, Its pretty clear its not the God of the Bible his praying to.

[Drummond]

Hey, infidel...

Muslin
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/romanmr2/15519332/7608/7608_320.jpg


Muslim
http://www.instablogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/islam-will-dominate-the-world_OmYeq_16105.bmp



:poke:

:clap::clap:

Yes, and what's more, I believe I can vouch for that 2nd photo. Taken, unless I'm very much mistaken, a handful of years ago in Luton, Bedfordshire, England (the shop in the background is, I think, a Nationwide Building Society branch office).

[Drummond]

jafar, playing the semantics, and rhetorical games with words again.

Maybe jafar would like to tell us the last time any Christian who worships God....strapped a bomb to his/her chest and just before pressing the button yelled" "MERRY CHRISTMAS!":clap::clap::clap:

Thanks, Aboutime - the perfect answer !

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by aboutime http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=655176#post655176)
jafar, playing the semantics, and rhetorical games with words again.

Maybe jafar would like to tell us the last time any Christian who worships God....strapped a bomb to his/her chest and just before pressing the button yelled" "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"


Well that would be a bit silly. Christmas comes from pagan roots.

That's a non-sequitur.

Any 'roots' of Islam or Christianity are immaterial to the fact that Muslims today blow themselves up and yell 'Allahu Akbar', while Christians do not blow themselves up and yell 'Merry Christmas'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

In the early 4th century, the church calendar in Rome contained Christmas on December 25 and other holidays placed on solar dates. According to Hijmans[99] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-Hijmans-100) "It is cosmic symbolism...which inspired the Church leadership in Rome to elect the southern solstice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_solstice), December 25, as the birthday of Christ, and the northern solstice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_solstice) as that of John the Baptist, supplemented by the equinoxes as their respective dates of conception." Usener[100] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-101) and others[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-Christmas-28) proposed that the Christians chose this day because it was the Roman feast celebrating the birthday of Sol Invictus. Modern scholar S. E. Hijmans, however, states that "While they were aware that pagans called this day the 'birthday' of Sol Invictus, this did not concern them and it did not play any role in their choice of date for Christmas."[99] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-Hijmans-100)

[Larrymc]

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/god-doesnt-think-hes-obama-political-humor-500x311.jpgHaHaHa That's True!

[Larrymc]

I did. :/



Allah is the Arabic word for God. I am addressing English speakers, so I use God. Again I ask, if you would prefer me to name God in a different language, just say so.



We are taught that Jesus did not die, it only appeared so. He was raised into heaven before death.

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. (4:157-158)

It's clear in the Qur'aan. Jesus was saved the dishonour of being executed due to his position as one of God's most beloved of servants and his executioners were made to fail.



God = Allah. It's the same word in different languages. I wholeheartedly believe there is only One God. I don't believe that Jesus died for our sins as an easy mode way into heaven. We have to work at that doing good deeds and living a good life here on Earth before judgment day comes along and our good and bad deeds are weighed up.

Jesus will be one of those with the power of intercession on the day of judgement. May he intercede for you.From Adam on, God dealt with man him self, for hundreds of years through great signs and wonders, but man continued to fall short of pleasing God, Because of the free will he gave man, the fallen angels who were here before Adam has all ways reeked havoc on man, God could not understand mans weakness for sin, in Genesis 6:7 he said it Repenteth me that I have made them. he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even that did not stop man from turning from God, So there was the Flood, but again man could not completely deny sin, or keep up with the guide lines for repentance, and though it continues to day, Because the sacrifice of Jesus was so significant to God it covered all sin, so that now man need only ask in his name for remission of sin, Now this is no free ride to heaven, the works you spoke of play a roll, but forgiveness depends on your heart, if you have tried your best to resist sin, and are you truly sorry for your sin. and yes Jesus does intercede for us he is the only one who can because he lived as a man and is the only who can explain mans weakness to God. Your own holy book acknowledges Gods love for Jesus, so before you completely discredit the Biblical account of Jesus. consider the thousands who have suffered Hannis torture and death for this faith, in fact, its still happening today in the Middle East. you should ask your self "What would make people so assured of what they believe that they would suffer torture and death rather than deny it??

[logroller]

I can believe he prays everyday, Probably several time a day, like all good Muslims do,
As do many good Christians, Buddhists etc i believe you've committed confirmation bias.


but for someone who pushes gay rights,
Or Equal rights. Again, confirmation bias.

favors murdering baby's for convenience,
its a liberty that is current law. I suppose supporting the second amendment is akin to supporting murder too.
but since when is Islam known for its pushing of gay rights, or equal rights for that matter, including women's right to choose what is done with their bodies? Inconsistent in your rhetoric much?

and insist that Christians must worship in silence,
huh? You have a source for that--how about a link-- or is that just what you believe? Just because he chooses to pray in private in no way requires (ie insists) that another do so. He even defended, and appealed the subsequent overturning of, the 1952 law that stated a national day of prayer is a day "on which the people of the United States may turn to God in prayer and meditation at churches, in groups, and as individuals."


Its pretty clear its not the God of the Bible his praying to.
oh, a public official, the highest in the land, that doesn't push the god of the bible-- the horror.
Its pretty clear your belief is illogical, incongruent with and/or unsupported by fact and indeed devoid of the religious liberty that was enshrined in our first amendment. Pursuant to the national day of prayer, Thomas Jefferson wrote "Fasting and prayer are religious exercises; the enjoining them an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the time for these exercises, and the objects proper for them, according to their own particular tenets; and right can never be safer than in their hands, where the Constitution has deposited it." In the hands of whom: individual or the collective society? Illustration of this dichotomy came soon after from Madison, who expressed doubts about National Days of Prayer in 1817, when he wrote "they seem to imply and certainly nourish the erroneous idea of a national religion." Source (http://pluralism.org/reports/view/66)

In other words: the claim of america being a christian nation is false, then as now. I could go on, quoting passages from the constitutional convention from which the anti-establishment was derived...but it wouldn't matter, would it? You choose to believe that America is Christian and you, like many, see national prayer as a means to reinforce that idea, erroneous as it is. And hey, such is your right-- it just doesn't make it right. It certainly doesn't make our president muslim. But you're free to believe falsely.

[Larrymc]

As do many good Christians, Buddhists etc i believe you've committed confirmation bias.


Or Equal rights. Again, confirmation bias.

its a liberty that is current law. I suppose supporting the second amendment is akin to supporting murder too.
but since when is Islam known for its pushing of gay rights, or equal rights for that matter, including women's right to choose what is done with their bodies? Inconsistent in your rhetoric much?

huh? You have a source for that--how about a link-- or is that just what you believe? Just because he chooses to pray in private in no way requires (ie insists) that another do so. He even defended, and appealed the subsequent overturning of, the 1952 law that stated a national day of prayer is a day "on which the people of the United States may turn to God in prayer and meditation at churches, in groups, and as individuals."


oh, a public official, the highest in the land, that doesn't push the god of the bible-- the horror.
Its pretty clear your belief is illogical, incongruent with and/or unsupported by fact and indeed devoid of the religious liberty that was enshrined in our first amendment. Pursuant to the national day of prayer, Thomas Jefferson wrote "Fasting and prayer are religious exercises; the enjoining them an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the time for these exercises, and the objects proper for them, according to their own particular tenets; and right can never be safer than in their hands, where the Constitution has deposited it." In the hands of whom: individual or the collective society? Illustration of this dichotomy came soon after from Madison, who expressed doubts about National Days of Prayer in 1817, when he wrote "they seem to imply and certainly nourish the erroneous idea of a national religion." Source (http://pluralism.org/reports/view/66)

In other words: the claim of america being a christian nation is false, then as now. I could go on, quoting passages from the constitutional convention from which the anti-establishment was derived...but it wouldn't matter, would it? You choose to believe that America is Christian and you, like many, see national prayer as a means to reinforce that idea, erroneous as it is. And hey, such is your right-- it just doesn't make it right. It certainly doesn't make our president muslim. But you're free to believe falsely.Wow no one told me we had a Gay, Pro-Abortion Liberal on board, "Thanks guys" no problem though i've engaged this type enough to know theirs no point in trying to have any type of conversation that would include Morality or Patriotism. Sorry dude i must be the new guy didn't know you were here.

[logroller]

Wow no one told me we had a Gay, Pro-Abortion Liberal on board, "Thanks guys" no problem though i've engaged this type enough to know theirs no point in trying to have any type of conversation that would include Morality or Patriotism. Sorry dude i must be the new guy didn't know you were here.
Oh, that's right; because nobody told you what to believe you had no clue that our constitution ensures separation of church and state and equality under law. see, i can tell you failed civics, without being told. Just as I can tell the difference between informed debate and ignorant rhetoric. Do yourself a favor and don't bother with the likes of bridging morality and patriotism; it seems ad hominem attacks, like many a logical fallacy, are more your style.
Btw: I'm neither gay nor a proponent of abortion-- you've erred yet again-- but that's your style: ignorant. When challenged with reason and fact, you double down with more ignorance. Just because you feel as though my reasoned logic and factual support makes you my bitch, it doesn't make me gay. Think of i like prison: you're only gay on bottom. The good news is that you hold the key to your own cell-- you just have to get out from underneath the oppressive force of ignorance. I'll point out those issues along the way...think of it like a reach-around.

[Larrymc]

Oh, that's right; because nobody told you what to believe you had no clue that our constitution ensures separation of church and state and equality under law. see, i can tell you failed civics, without being told. Just as I can tell the difference between informed debate and ignorant rhetoric. Do yourself a favor and don't bother with the likes of bridging morality and patriotism; it seems ad hominem attacks, like many a logical fallacy, are more your style.
Btw: I'm neither gay nor a proponent of abortion-- you've erred yet again-- but that's your style: ignorant. When challenged with reason and fact, you double down with more ignorance. Just because you feel as though my reasoned logic and factual support makes you my bitch, it doesn't make me gay. Think of i like prison: you're only gay on bottom. The good news is that you hold the key to your own cell-- you just have to get out from underneath the oppressive force of ignorance. I'll point out those issues along the way...think of it like a reach-around.When i first started checking out this type of forums i spent hours trying to have meaningful conversations with the likes of ignorant fools like you, and always ended up getting a cussing, or call vile names, are my favorite they become grammar cops when all else fails, but mostly all the above, so ill not wast my time on the likes of you, so do me a favor by extending the same to me.

[aboutime]

Oh, that's right; because nobody told you what to believe you had no clue that our constitution ensures separation of church and state and equality under law. see, i can tell you failed civics, without being told. Just as I can tell the difference between informed debate and ignorant rhetoric. Do yourself a favor and don't bother with the likes of bridging morality and patriotism; it seems ad hominem attacks, like many a logical fallacy, are more your style.
Btw: I'm neither gay nor a proponent of abortion-- you've erred yet again-- but that's your style: ignorant. When challenged with reason and fact, you double down with more ignorance. Just because you feel as though my reasoned logic and factual support makes you my bitch, it doesn't make me gay. Think of i like prison: you're only gay on bottom. The good news is that you hold the key to your own cell-- you just have to get out from underneath the oppressive force of ignorance. I'll point out those issues along the way...think of it like a reach-around.


logroller. You don't find it interesting that YOU are trying to tell others how to get out from under the oppressive force of ignorance? Physician....heal thy self...kind of REACH AROUND?

[logroller]

When i first started checking out this type of forums i spent hours trying to have meaningful conversations with the likes of ignorant fools like you, and always ended up getting a cussing, or call vile names, are my favorite they become grammar cops when all else fails, but mostly all the above, so ill not wast my time on the likes of you, so do me a favor by extending the same to me.
Oh, was calling me gay and proabortion a complementary assessment? Somehow I doubt it...yet you declare that its I who called you names :rolleyes: and by using facts and reasoning to call you out as being full of shit--now you're going to ignore me. stick with what works for you I guess--ignorance certainly appears to be your forte, but one day you might find that all the things you ignore don't just go away, myself included. Best of luck.

[aboutime]

Oh, was calling me gay and proabortion a complementary assessment? Somehow I doubt it...yet you declare that its I who called you names :rolleyes: and by using facts and reasoning to call you out as being full of shit--now you're going to ignore me. stick with what works for you I guess--ignorance certainly appears to be your forte, but one day you might find that all the things you ignore don't just go away, myself included. Best of luck.


log. Patronize much?

[logroller]

logroller. You don't find it interesting that YOU are trying to tell others how to get out from under the oppressive force of ignorance? Physician....heal thy self...kind of REACH AROUND?
You got a dog in this fight? None so far that I can see-- that's what i find interesting. You wanna dispute the facts and reasoning I've presented in this thread? Bring it forth. See what I ignore. Otherwise, put your gums to good use and BLOW ME.

[Larrymc]

Oh, was calling me gay and proabortion a complementary assessment? Somehow I doubt it...yet you declare that its I who called you names :rolleyes: and by using facts and reasoning to call you out as being full of shit--now you're going to ignore me. stick with what works for you I guess--ignorance certainly appears to be your forte, but one day you might find that all the things you ignore don't just go away, myself included. Best of luck.Yes from your first response to me i thought it was accurate, i did not accuse you of calling me names i said it would end up there, you've already proved to be a grammar cope, so yea i knew immediately what you were about.

[logroller]

log. Patronize much?
Not nearly as often as you troll to escape the reality of your inconsequentiality.

[revelarts]

OK so how did a thread that's calling for much needed prayer for our nation turn into a pissing war?

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I mean seriously?
I think some deep breaths and a dose of forgiveness should be applied all around here. At least by those that say they're christians.
howboutit?
where the love man?
ya'll know God don't like ugly, c'mon.


9/11/13: A call for a national day of prayer and repentance, right, sheesh can't even repent of the of what going on here, Lord Forgive us help us all.

[Larrymc]

OK so how did a thread that's calling for much needed prayer for our nation turn into a pissing war?

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I mean seriously?
I think some deep breaths and a dose of forgiveness should be applied all around here. At least by those that say they're christians.
howboutit?
where the love man?
ya'll know God don't like ugly, c'mon.


9/11/13: A call for a national day of prayer and repentance, right, sheesh can't even repent of the of what going on here, Lord Forgive us help us all.Your right DAD logroller surprised me, Sorry Logroller, (fingers crossed)

[logroller]

OK so how did a thread that's calling for much needed prayer for our nation turn into a pissing war?

Since post two made it political, and post three elaborated by responding with untruths . You wanna know what I pray for, its dispelling ignorance-- but I take a more active role sometimes.


Your right DAD logroller surprised me, Sorry Logroller, (fingers crossed)
I'm all for letting bygones be bygones, but temper your repose-- it just comes across as phony when take a jab and then immediately ask for my forgiveness.

[aboutime]

Not nearly as often as you troll to escape the reality of your inconsequentiality.


Wow. Bet you really impress yourself with such words, huH log?
Only a troll would recognize such things anyhow. Thanks for impressing YOU.

[logroller]

Wow. Bet you really impress yourself with such words, huH log?
Only a troll would recognize such things anyhow. Thanks for impressing YOU.

how would that impress myself? I don't even know if that's possible-- impressing oneself. Is that like an affirmation? For example, I notice you haven't disputed my facts or reasoning; thus affirming my belief in the merit of my argument....but I'm not impressed.

[Larrymc]

Since post two made it political, and post three elaborated by responding with untruths . You wanna know what I pray for, its dispelling ignorance-- but I take a more active role sometimes.


I'm all for letting bygones be bygones, but temper your repose-- it just comes across as phony when take a jab and then immediately ask for my forgiveness.The crossing of fingers indicates not really, How ever you did surprise me, but you knew were i was coming from you had read my post, and you decided to pick this argument, but im not looking for an enemy, i know now to expect extreme options opposite to mine, that im happy to ignore, and unless we find common ground on a subject I hope you'll do the same.

[aboutime]

how would that impress myself? I don't even know if that's possible-- impressing oneself. Is that like an affirmation? For example, I notice you haven't disputed my facts or reasoning; thus affirming my belief in the merit of my argument....but I'm not impressed.

The mere fact you felt any need to respond, and deny it. Said all anyone needed to know. And, if you're not impressed with your own words. Why should anyone else be impressed?

[revelarts]

:facepalm99:

[Marcus Aurelius]

Yes from your first response to me i thought it was accurate, i did not accuse you of calling me names i said it would end up there, you've already proved to be a grammar cope cop, so yea i knew immediately what you were about.


:poke: