Senate passage of immigration bill on track

[jimnyc]

Ultimately those who broke the law will get amnesty. The nitwits voting admit to not even having read the bill. Harry Reid gets tourism funding, and I'm sure there is a TON more of pork in this garbage. The PEOPLE don't want this bill, other than illegals and those who stand to benefit from them. Once again, our elected representatives are ignoring us. And will people vote them out at the next election for pulling shit like this? Probably not. But how do ANY of them vote on something, unless it is fully read, fully understood? And I thought things like this were going to be in the public, perhaps Cspan, or on a website, for days before votes? What happened to that?


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Senate passage of historic immigration legislation offering citizenship to millions looks near-certain after the bill cleared a key hurdle with votes to spare.

A final vote in the Senate on Thursday or Friday would send the issue to the House, where conservative Republicans in the majority oppose citizenship for anyone living in the country illegally.

Some GOP lawmakers have appealed to House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, not to permit any immigration legislation to come to a vote for fear that whatever its contents, it would open the door to an unpalatable compromise with the Senate. At the same time, the House Judiciary Committee is in the midst of approving a handful of measures related to immigration, action that ordinarily is a prelude to votes in the full House.

Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said Tuesday that the Senate's advancement of stronger border security measures makes it "even more likely" that immigration reform will pass the House and become law. He said that the House won't take up the Senate bill but will do its own legislation, and added, "the majority of Republicans support the border security" as the keystone of immigration reform. He spoke on CBS' "This Morning."

"Now is the time to do it," President Barack Obama said Monday at the White House before meeting with nine business executives who support a change in immigration laws. "I hope that we can get the strongest possible vote out of the Senate so that we can then move to the House and get this done before the summer break" beginning in early August.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Tuesday she thinks it's important for the House to have its own bill and said, "Let's be optimistic about it."

Pelosi told CNN she thinks it has an excellent chance of passing there because GOP lawmakers are the party's poor showing with Hispanic voters in last year's presidential election "sends an eloquent message" to them.

Obama's prodding came several hours before the Senate voted 67-27 to advance the measure over a procedural hurdle. The tally was seven more than the 60 needed, with 15 Republicans joining Democrats in voting yes.

"I think we're building momentum," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., who worked with Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., on a $38 billion package of security improvements that helped bring Republicans on board by doubling the number of border patrol agents and calling for hundreds of miles of new fencing along the border with Mexico. Those changes brought border security spending in the bill to $46 billion.

http://news.yahoo.com/senate-passage-immigration-bill-track-072413891.html

[Trigg]

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at least Indiana didn't vote for it

[Marcus Aurelius]

i wonder if we have to pass this one, to see what's in it.

[tailfins]

Stop that defeatist talk. This is still winnable!

[aboutime]

Ultimately those who broke the law will get amnesty. The nitwits voting admit to not even having read the bill. Harry Reid gets tourism funding, and I'm sure there is a TON more of pork in this garbage. The PEOPLE don't want this bill, other than illegals and those who stand to benefit from them. Once again, our elected representatives are ignoring us. And will people vote them out at the next election for pulling shit like this? Probably not. But how do ANY of them vote on something, unless it is fully read, fully understood? And I thought things like this were going to be in the public, perhaps Cspan, or on a website, for days before votes? What happened to that?



http://news.yahoo.com/senate-passage-immigration-bill-track-072413891.html


The Only Historic feature of this bill, is just like Obamacare. Nobody has had time to read what's in the bill.

That's History repeating itself, and merely another step down on the ladder into the Hole of STUPIDITY.

[Gaffer]

The Tea Party needs to start lining up people to run against these nimrods in the primaries. That's the only way things are going to change using the "system".

[Robert A Whit]

Go back and check.

I believe, could be wrong, but believe that when Bush was president, one branch voted for illegal alien reform and the other branch killed it.

Tailfins is correct that this is winnable.

[Gaffer]

If the house stands strong and tables the bill, then there is hope. If they start to compromise, we're fucked.

[aboutime]

If the house stands strong and tables the bill, then there is hope. If they start to compromise, we're fucked.


Harry Reid, and the Senate are the problem. No two ways about it. The House will stand strong. But the political games played, behind closed doors...that many call Compromise....generally becomes the RAPE of WE THE PEOPLE.

Nobody should EVER forget. Politicians from all Parties are only there for ONE THING. Their own Political Career.

Politicians are professional Liars, and even the SCOTUS has authorized them to do so.

Why would anyone trust them?

[tailfins]

The Tea Party needs to start lining up people to run against these nimrods in the primaries. That's the only way things are going to change using the "system".

There's a more urgent matter of defeating amnesty with phone calls, letter writing, protests, etc.

[Gaffer]

There's a more urgent matter of defeating amnesty with phone calls, letter writing, protests, etc.

True. But I suspect those will be ignored unless there is a clear threat to their jobs.

[Missileman]

BTW folks! I urge everyone to write their congressmen and tell them that immigration reform should include an end to anchor babies. Citizenship should only be extended to those born here legally.

[aboutime]

BTW folks! I urge everyone to write their congressmen and tell them that immigration reform should include an end to anchor babies. Citizenship should only be extended to those born here legally.


Missileman. They (Members of Congress) don't pay attention to what we tell them in letters, or phone calls anymore. So giving them something else TO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO...won't help us now.

[tailfins]

Missileman. They (Members of Congress) don't pay attention to what we tell them in letters, or phone calls anymore. So giving them something else TO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO...won't help us now.

That's bad advice. A snail mail gets the most impact. With a phone call a close second. You're offering aid and comfort to the enemy.

[gabosaurus]

The ONLY was to influence members of Congress is to give them money. Phone calls, e-mails and snail mail are all handled by their aides. Once Congressional delegates are elected, their only responsibility is to those who help keep them in office. To believe otherwise is folly.

[red states rule]

The ONLY was to influence members of Congress is to give them money. Phone calls, e-mails and snail mail are all handled by their aides. Once Congressional delegates are elected, their only responsibility is to those who help keep them in office. To believe otherwise is folly.

And our tax dollars are being used to buy the votes in the Senate - but perhaps not in the House






Do you think Congress really cares about the budget deficit anymore? Or that the age-old practice of buying lawmakers votes with local projects is really dead? Just take a look at the Senate’s version of the immigration bill.


Last Thursday, the Congressional Budget Office scored (http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44346) the Senate’s draft immigration bill as reducing the deficit by nearly $200 billion over 10 years. Within 24 hours, the measure’s sponsors agreed to give away 20 percent of that $200 billion—$40 billion in new spending (http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/SA%201183.pdf)—in immigration pork.


Ostensibly to protect the southern border (a polite euphemism for “keeping Mexicans out of the U.S.”), the package of porcine amendments would add 20,000 more border agents and at least an additional 350 miles of border fence, as well as drones and other assorted technology. The extra agents alone would cost $30 billion. In a key vote last night, 67 senators agreed to debate the amendment (What can I tell you? It is the Senate).


That’s 20,000 more jobs for southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. They might help offset the undocumented workers the law would keep out—workers that employers in that part of the country dearly wish they could hire. Curiously, they’d substitute (higher-paying) government jobs for (low-wage) private-sector jobs—a trade-off that until yesterday was as fashionable on Capitol Hill as spats.


Of course, the drones and other techno-wizardry will create additional jobs in other states and congressional districts. Nice timing since some of that proto-military business is otherwise shrinking as the war in Afghanistan winds down. In fact, as Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told The New York Times last week, these extra dollars “will almost militarize the border.”


And, of course, this is only the beginning. Even if the Senate approves the bill, a version must somehow pass the House, after which it will likely end up in a conference committee—all additional opportunities to add more spending.


The measure will no doubt satisfy lawmakers who legitimately worry about people who illegally cross the border from Mexico to the U.S. But that phenomenon has already largely come to an end, thanks to a combination of existing border security, a stronger Mexican job market, and declining Mexican birth rates. Last year, the Pew Center estimated (http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/346285-pew-report-on-the-decline-in-mexican-immigration.html) that net migration from Mexico to the U.S. had fallen to zero.


That report also found that in 2011, U.S. border security apprehended about 286,000 people attempting to cross illegally, down from 1 million in 2005. That’s despite a massive increase in security agents and a new fence. It strongly suggests far few people were trying to cross.


In that environment, would the extra $40 billion in border security further reduce illegal crossings? CBO says yes, but can’t say by h
ow much. In CBO-speak, “the uncertainty associated with future population flows…is very great.”


Better question: Is all this extra border security the most cost-effective way to keep more people from illegally crossing? Are there better, less expensive ways? Nobody seems to have asked.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2013/06/25/pork-entices-gop-deficit-hawks-to-support-immigration-bill/





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Buried within the 844 pages of the bipartisan immigration bill -- amid historic shifts in policies such as a path to citizenship for 11 million unauthorized immigrants -- are pet provisions of the senators who crafted it.


South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham wants more visas for the meat industry, a major employer in his state. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., pushed for special treatment for Irish workers; his state is home to a large population with Irish ancestry.


Republican Sen. Marco Rubio sought help for the cruise-ship industry, a big business in his home state of Florida. And Democratic Sen. Michael Bennet of Colorado wove in a boost for ski areas.


After months of difficult negotiations -- which nearly derailed an immigration deal -- the business community and labor unions hashed out a new work-visa program to allow up to 200,000 low-skill workers to come to the U.S.


Adding extra visas for meat, poultry and fish cutters wasn't part of that deal. Including it was the work of Mr. Graham, said people familiar with the negotiations.


The final bill sets aside up to 20,000 additional visas for meat cutters and trimmers. The industry employed 158,480 Americans nationwide in May 2012, according to the Labor Department


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/22/immigration-bill-sprinkled-with-pet-projects/#ixzz2XJ3wglYl

[aboutime]

That's bad advice. A snail mail gets the most impact. With a phone call a close second. You're offering aid and comfort to the enemy.


Call it whatever you like. Show us how effective letters, emails, fax's have been over the last 10 to 12 years. The enemy needs no AID and COMFORT because the ENEMY...IS US. The American people who vote for Congress critters each time, and twice for Obama.

[red states rule]

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[red states rule]

If John McLame runs for re-election this pic should be used by his opponent in the Republican primary

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[aboutime]

That's bad advice. A snail mail gets the most impact. With a phone call a close second. You're offering aid and comfort to the enemy.



tailfins. You were saying???? How well did that snail mail, phone call work? Remember. I told you. WE ARE THE ENEMY. WE THE PEOPLE.
Just look at that photo of McCain, and Chucky-cheeze Shooooomer. Enjoying their victory over WE THE PEOPLE.

[red states rule]

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