Spanking For Jesus

[gabosaurus]

Do we have any fans of this on DP?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/19/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-world-of-christian-domestic-discipline.html

[Marcus Aurelius]

Do we have any fans of this on DP?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/19/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-world-of-christian-domestic-discipline.html


Jim Alsdurf, a forensic psychologist who evaluates and treats sexual psychopaths and is the author of a book (http://www.amazon.com/Battered-Into-Submission-Tragedy-Christian/dp/1579101992/ref=as_at?tag=thedailybeast-autotag-20&linkCode=as2&) on abuse in Christian homes, says CDD isn’t about religion—it’s an outlet for emotionally disturbed men with intimacy deficits.
that pretty much covers it.

Also, I see no mention of scripture supporting this practice, or examples thereof.

[gabosaurus]

CDD is a lifestyle in which spanking and other punishments (loss of privileges, time outs, etc.) are used to maintain an orderly, Christian household, according to christiandomesticdiscipline.com. The man is dominant, and the wife is submissive, as detailed in the Bible, the site explains. .

[Marcus Aurelius]

Jim Alsdurf, a forensic psychologist who evaluates and treats sexual psychopaths and is the author of a book (http://www.amazon.com/Battered-Into-Submission-Tragedy-Christian/dp/1579101992/ref=as_at?tag=thedailybeast-autotag-20&linkCode=as2&) on abuse in Christian homes, says CDD isn’t about religion—it’s an outlet for emotionally disturbed men with intimacy deficits.
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S-C-R-I-P-T-U-R-E.

Where in scripture is this practice supported? No mention of scriptural basis for this in the article.

[Abbey Marie]

It's prescribed in the Christian Hadiths. Oh, wait.

[gabosaurus]

Dude, read the article. It lays it out for you. If the wife defies the man, she has to be punished. You should be aware of all the kinky repercussions.

[Robert A Whit]

Do we have any fans of this on DP?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/19/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-world-of-christian-domestic-discipline.html

They showed Dezi Arnaz and Lucille Ball in a comedy skit.

If you honestly want to keep state out of religion, leave consenting adults alone.

It does not matter if I approve or not, it is part of their marriage.

I personally would never do something like that to any female.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Dude, read the article. It lays it out for you. If the wife defies the man, she has to be punished. You should be aware of all the kinky repercussions.

I read both pages. Nowhere does it specify the scriptural basis for this practice. No specific scripture is pointed out as the basis. If you disagree, please, by all means, show me the scriptural basis in the article.

[revelarts]

Is this the terrorist gay alien Jesus Hussin Christ you keep telling us about that is promoting this Gabby?

seriously? what is it with you that you find every weirdo christian idea and try to promote it as common practice?

Why don't you go a block or 2 to a local church and see what they are doing maybe you can post about the annual bake sale or the vaction Bible school , or the missions day. or the strange practice of visiting the sick members.

c'mon

Are there some crooks and weirdos, TOO many, is that what most Christians promote or practice. H3LL NO.
what's up with that Gabby? do you just like getting folks riled up?


as far a Christians and Bible promoting Men as the heads of the house. Well yes it does. horror of horrors. How did this strange idea come about? it's only been the rule in nearly every culture in the world since the beginning of recorded human history. that's all. what a radical concept for Christians to hold
Funny thing is Unlike most cultures. the Christians Scripture acutually includes commands for the Man to Love his wife, as he loves himself. And treat the wife well. And give his life for her. And ZERO admonitions for hitting her, ever.

you might consider reading the Bible more instead of whatever sites you read that just read the Bible or "interpretations" to find things that piss them off.

[aboutime]

Gabby simply cannot help being so mentally disturbed and miserable.

DP is the one, and only place where Gabby always wins. That's how the mentally challenged survive, and always win.

[Robert A Whit]

Gabby simply cannot help being so mentally disturbed and miserable.

DP is the one, and only place where Gabby always wins. That's how the mentally challenged survive, and always win.

But you said posts are funny to you and you come here to laugh. So why not laugh rather than make her the topic of discussion? You claim you show up to laugh. Did you not?

[aboutime]

But you said posts are funny to you and you come here to laugh. So why not laugh rather than make her the topic of discussion? You claim you show up to laugh. Did you not?


I am laughing. At both of you. You can't tell because everything must always be about you. And...that's not funny!:laugh2:

[Robert A Whit]

I am laughing. At both of you. You can't tell because everything must always be about you. And...that's not funny!:laugh2:

You can't make that claim. This was about you this time. I am laughing right there too.

[aboutime]

You can't make that claim. This was about you this time. I am laughing right there too.


Whatever curls your hair. Fine with me.

[Marcus Aurelius]

S-C-R-I-P-T-U-R-E.

Where in scripture is this practice supported? No mention of scriptural basis for this in the article.

still waiting gabby.

[gabosaurus]

There doesn't have to be any specific scripture. God supposedly made women subservient to men. Women are supposed to honor, obey and serve men. If they don't, they are punished. Spanking is punishment.
I am surprised that those of you who feel women are subservient to men haven't jumped all over this.

[Marcus Aurelius]

There doesn't have to be any specific scripture. God supposedly made women subservient to men. Women are supposed to honor, obey and serve men. If they don't, they are punished. Spanking is punishment.
I am surprised that those of you who feel women are subservient to men haven't jumped all over this.

Yes, if you want to call this Christian Discipline, then there has to be a scriptural basis.

There are many verses in the Bible about women being subservient to men. I can't seem to find any that call for punishment if the women are NOT. Perhaps you could point them out to me?

[PostmodernProphet]

I spank people on this board every day.......

[PostmodernProphet]

apparently some enterprising anti-Christian bigot saw an opportunity to take a widespread phenomena and try to paint it as a religious exercise.....

http://adomesticdisciplinesociety.blogspot.com/2012/12/defining-domestic-discipline-lifestyle.html

nothing about religion on this website....

[cadet]

There doesn't have to be any specific scripture. God supposedly made women subservient to men. Women are supposed to honor, obey and serve men. If they don't, they are punished. Spanking is punishment.
I am surprised that those of you who feel women are subservient to men haven't jumped all over this.

Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered. (1 peter 3:7)

Live with her tenderly, gently, and faithfully. Avoid grudges and bitterness (Colossians 3:19)

You are the head of the home, but if you are wise, you will listen very carefully to the wisdom God has given your wife. A good general always listens to his advisors. Remember, you and your wife are two sides of one union (1 Corinthians 11:11, 12)

[Marcus Aurelius]

Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered. (1 peter 3:7)

Live with her tenderly, gently, and faithfully. Avoid grudges and bitterness (Colossians 3:19)

You are the head of the home, but if you are wise, you will listen very carefully to the wisdom God has given your wife. A good general always listens to his advisors. Remember, you and your wife are two sides of one union (1 Corinthians 11:11, 12)


those weren't 'really' Bible verses... ;)

[jimnyc]

There doesn't have to be any specific scripture. God supposedly made women subservient to men. Women are supposed to honor, obey and serve men. If they don't, they are punished. Spanking is punishment.

You claim to be a Christian. Do you OBEY your husband? How often do you serve him? And we all know your attitude, so how often does he beat you?

[Marcus Aurelius]

You claim to be a Christian. Do you OBEY your husband? How often do you serve him? And we all know your attitude, so how often does he beat you?

B-day gift idea for gabby's hubby...

http://www.freshtalltees.com/files/1720571/uploaded/tall_tees_pro_5_white_wife_beater_shirts_close.jpg

[Trigg]

It always surprises me when Gabby lowers herself to appear on this board.

It's never to engage in conversations or discussions, so I'm not sure why she bothers.

[gabosaurus]

You claim to be a Christian. Do you OBEY your husband? How often do you serve him? And we all know your attitude, so how often does he beat you?

Sometimes I obey my husband. Sometimes he obeys me.
We don't handle snakes, either. :cool:

[Marcus Aurelius]

Sometimes I obey my husband. Sometimes he obeys me.
We don't handle snakes, either. :cool:

When you disobey your husband, what method of beating is bestowed upon you?

[aboutime]

When you disobey your husband, what method of beating is bestowed upon you?



Marcus. All he has to do to beat her is Think, Talk, Breath, and Laugh at her. That beats her every time.

[jafar00]

It's prescribed in the Christian Hadiths. Oh, wait.

The Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are the Christian equivalents of Hadiths.

[Marcus Aurelius]

The Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are the Christian equivalents of Hadiths.

nonsense. They are the chronicles of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

[tailfins]

S-C-R-I-P-T-U-R-E.

Where in scripture is this practice supported? No mention of scriptural basis for this in the article.

I didn't bother reading Gabby's drivel, but here is a scriptural basis for corporal punishment:


Proverbs 13:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.





Actually my mom believed the way you speak of. She was regularly beaten by her first husband from 1937 until 1952. She took the beatings as a testament of "until death do us part". There was only one exception: "You lay one hand on the kids and you will be divorced." From what I hear he started in on their oldest in a drunken rage. She promptly filed for divorce. He didn't retaliate because the son that took the beating promised to blow his old man's head off if he did and he meant it.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I didn't bother reading Gabby's drivel, but here is a scriptural basis for corporal punishment:


Proverbs 13:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.




Big difference between corporal punishment for children and beating your wife if she disobeys you in any matter at all.

[gabosaurus]

So tell us Marcus -- are you a fan of spanking? I've been told it can be very erotic. :cool:

[PostmodernProphet]

The Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are the Christian equivalents of Hadiths.

really?.....the Hadiths describe the acts of the Muslim Messiah while he was incarnate on earth?......I had no idea.....

[gabosaurus]

From what I understand, the Hadiths are roughly equivalent to the individual books of the Bible.
It is unfortunate that so many of you are not tolerant of the religions of others.

[Marcus Aurelius]

From what I understand, the Hadiths are roughly equivalent to the individual books of the Bible.
It is unfortunate that so many of you are not tolerant of the religions of others.

your understanding is incorrect. As usual.

[cadet]

From what I understand, the Hadiths are roughly equivalent to the individual books of the Bible.
It is unfortunate that so many of you are not tolerant of the religions of others.

Yes, cause telling us we all love to beat our wives and children is being tolerant of Christianity. :rolleyes:

Make sure when you say stupid things, that they can't be thrown back at you.

[gabosaurus]

Yes, cause telling us we all love to beat our wives and children is being tolerant of Christianity. :rolleyes:

Make sure when you say stupid things, that they can't be thrown back at you.

Cadet, dear, this story relates only to one small sect of Christian followers. It takes all types.

[cadet]

Cadet, dear, this story relates only to one small sect of Christian followers. It takes all types.

Doesn't matter. You insinuate, I'm going to insinuate right back. :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

From what I understand, the Hadiths are roughly equivalent to the individual books of the Bible.
It is unfortunate that so many of you are not tolerant of the religions of others.

Huh?


A ḥadīth (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): حديث‎, / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)h (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)æ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)d (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)θ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#cite_note-1) or / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)h (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɑː (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)d (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)iː (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)θ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#cite_note-2)) (plural: hadith, hadiths, or aḥādīth) is a saying or an act or tacit approval or disapproval ascribed either validly or invalidly to the Islamic prophet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam) Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#cite_note-3)

Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) schools of jurisprudence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madh%27hab) as important tools for understanding the Quran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran) and in matters of jurisprudence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#cite_note-Nukat-4) Hadith were evaluated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_of_hadith) and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) and history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_history) to this day.
The largest denominations of Islam, Sunni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_Islam), Shiʻa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam), and Ibadi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadi), rely upon different sets of hadith collections.
Clerics and jurists of all denominations classify individual hadith as sahih (authentic), hasan (good) and da'if (weak).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#cite_note-5) However, different traditions within each denomination, and different scholars within each tradition, may differ as to which hadith should be included in which category.

In Islamic terminology, the term hadith refers to reports of statements or actions of Muhammad, or of his tacit approval or criticism of something said or done in his presence.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#cite_note-H-EoI-8) Classical hadith specialist Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Hajar_al-Asqalani) says that the intended meaning of hadith in religious tradition is something attributed to Muhammad but that is not found in the Quran.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#cite_note-fath-9) Other associated words possess similar meanings including: khabar (news, information) often refers to reports about Muhammad, but sometimes refers to traditions about his companions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaba) and their successors from the following generation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabi%E2%80%98un); conversely, athar (trace, vestige) usually refers to traditions about the companions and successors, though sometimes connotes traditions about Muhammad. The word sunnah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnah) (custom) is also used in reference to a normative custom of Muhammad or the early Muslim community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#cite_note-H-EoI-8)



Now please make a reasonable connection/comparison. Oh, and please disregard the portion above about "Shia", as Wiki is consistently incorrect about that. :)

[Marcus Aurelius]

Cadet, dear, this story relates only to one small sect of Christian followers. It takes all types.

go re-read the story. There is NOTHING in it claiming the couple does this because of Christianity.

[cadet]

You guys have to admit though, if we had more spanking, there'd be less "swag" and gays.

[aboutime]

You guys have to admit though, if we had more spanking, there'd be less "swag" and gays.


cadet. Agreed....in a real world. But realistically. That SWAG and SPANKING seems to be one of their favorite pass-times in many cases.

You know? SPANKING the.....?

[jafar00]

Huh?



Now please make a reasonable connection/comparison. Oh, and please disregard the portion above about "Shia", as Wiki is consistently incorrect about that. :)

The gospels (not to be confused with the Injil) were inspired by the words and actions of Jesus as far as my understanding of them goes. I say inspired by because unlike the Hadiths which are based on what the Prophet Mohamed (saw) said and did and are vigourously verified by the chain of narration, the Gospels were put together hundreds of years after Jesus ascended to heaven by people who never met him.

[Marcus Aurelius]

The gospels (not to be confused with the Injil) were inspired by the words and actions of Jesus as far as my understanding of them goes. I say inspired by because unlike the Hadiths which are based on what the Prophet Mohamed (saw) said and did and are vigourously verified by the chain of narration, the Gospels were put together hundreds of years after Jesus ascended to heaven by people who never met him.

Liar.

http://carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and-by-whom


If what is said of Acts is true, this would mean that Luke was written at least before A.D. 63 and possibly before 55 - 59 since Acts is the second in the series of writings by Luke. This means that the gospel of Luke was written within 30 years of Jesus' death.


Nevertheless, it is generally believed that Matthew was written before A.D. 70 and as early as A.D. 50.


Generally, Mark is said to be the earliest gospel with an authorship of between A.D. 55 to A.D. 70.


The John Rylands papyrus fragment 52 of John's gospel dated in the year 135 contains portions of John 18, verses 31-33,37-38. This fragment was found in Egypt and a considerable amount of time is needed for the circulation of the gospel before it reached Egypt. It is the last of the gospels and appears to have been written in the 80's to 90's.