Ich bin ein complete flop - why no wide-angle shots of Obama in Berlin this time?

[Little-Acorn]

When Obama made his speech in Berlin in 2008, it looked like this:

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4599404239323258&pid=15.1
Barack Obama speech in Berlin, 2008

For some reason, though his latest speech was in the same place at nearly the same time, no one is providing any aerial shots of it. I haven't even been able to find any pictures from ground level, with the lens zoomed out enough to show a large part of the area around the Brandenburg gate.

I wonder why not?

Obama had an audience of around 200,000 people in 2008... and he wasn't even elected yet.

Now that people have gotten a good dose of his style of government, his speech yesterday drew... maybe 4,500 people.

Pictures of that would be an outright embarrassment. The best the photographers seem to be able to do is this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/image/ic58R..8y7io.jpg
Barack Obama speech in Berlin, 2013

Apparently the "news" media's job has changed. It's not longer concerned with reporting what happened. It is trying to avoid embarrassing Obama.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?41463-Obama-bombs-in-Berlin-a-weak-underwhelming-address-from-a-floundering-president&highlight=

[Little-Acorn]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?41463-Obama-bombs-in-Berlin-a-weak-underwhelming-address-from-a-floundering-president&highlight=

Oops, I stand corrected.

450,000 showed up to see him in 2008, not 200,000.

Makes the picture contrast even more striking, I'd say.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Oops, I stand corrected.

450,000 showed up to see him in 2008, not 200,000.

Makes the picture contrast even more striking, I'd say.

He also had to invite people to come to the speech...


Fifty years later a far more subdued invitation-only crowd of 4,500 showed up to hear Barack Obama speak at the same location in Berlin

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

When Obama made his speech in Berlin in 2008, it looked like this:

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4599404239323258&pid=15.1
Barack Obama speech in Berlin, 2008

For some reason, though his latest speech was in the same place at nearly the same time, no one is providing any aerial shots of it. I haven't even been able to find any pictures from ground level, with the lens zoomed out enough to show a large part of the area around the Brandenburg gate.

I wonder why not?

Obama had an audience of around 200,000 people in 2008... and he wasn't even elected yet.

Now that people have gotten a good dose of his style of government, his speech yesterday drew... maybe 4,500 people.

Pictures of that would be an outright embarrassment. The best the photographers seem to be able to do is this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/image/ic58R..8y7io.jpg
Barack Obama speech in Berlin, 2013

Apparently the "news" media's job has changed. It's not longer concerned with reporting what happened. It is trying to avoid embarrassing Obama. I have seen Little league baseball games draw that many people.. :laugh::laugh::laugh: --Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

Guys, having been to both places, far too many showed up at the Siegessaulle and doesn't Obama bring his own audiences these days?

I don't know the actual distance from one to the other but I doubt it is more than one mile.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Guys, having been to both places, far too many showed up at the Siegosaulle and doesn't Obama bring his own audiences these days?

No one cares, it's not about you.

[Robert A Whit]

No one cares, it's not about you.

Fuggin disease.

Grow up. I did not say it was about me. I discussed Obama.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Fuggin disease.

Grow up. I did not say it was about me. I discussed Obama.


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Guys, having been to both places...
You've been there, but you didn't discuss you.

senility is a sad thing.



Back to Obama and his crowd issues, eh people?

[Marcus Aurelius]

USA Today called it before the speech.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/06/18/obama-germany/2432583/

BERLIN — As a candidate, Barack Obama was greeted here five years ago by massive crowds and media adulation for his strident criticism of the wartime policies of President George W. Bush.

But when President Obama speaks here Wednesday, he may find a different reception due to controversy over his government's surveillance program and his decision to maintain many of the anti-terrorism policies of Bush so loathed by the German left that swooned for Obama.

[Robert A Whit]

PLEASE

Marcus,

Do us all a favor and stop trying to ruin threads.

Obama was at both places. I discussed him. He is the only topic.

[Marcus Aurelius]

When Obama made his speech in Berlin in 2008, it looked like this:

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4599404239323258&pid=15.1
Barack Obama speech in Berlin, 2008

For some reason, though his latest speech was in the same place at nearly the same time, no one is providing any aerial shots of it. I haven't even been able to find any pictures from ground level, with the lens zoomed out enough to show a large part of the area around the Brandenburg gate.

I wonder why not?

Obama had an audience of around 200,000 people in 2008... and he wasn't even elected yet.

Now that people have gotten a good dose of his style of government, his speech yesterday drew... maybe 4,500 people.

Pictures of that would be an outright embarrassment. The best the photographers seem to be able to do is this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/image/ic58R..8y7io.jpg
Barack Obama speech in Berlin, 2013

Apparently the "news" media's job has changed. It's not longer concerned with reporting what happened. It is trying to avoid embarrassing Obama.

It's probably just the Obama team purposely limiting the crowd size again... like Wisconsin.:rolleyes:

[Robert A Whit]

This gate, the Brandenburg Gate is huge. When Kennedy was there, the wall was up. And somebody built this pretty high wood deck that Kennedy stood on to talk.

Berlin loved Kennedy but they also loved Truman who used an airlift to feed them.

Seeing Obama yapping there made me sick.

When he was at the Victory Tower, that tower celebrates war. On the tower are rows of cannons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Victory_Column

Design and dimensions[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Berlin_Victory_Column&action=edit&section=2)]Built on a base of polished red granite, the column sits on a hall of pillars with a glass mosaic designed by Anton von Werner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_von_Werner).
The column itself consists of four solid blocks of sandstone, three of which are decorated by cannon barrels captured from the enemies of the aforementioned three wars. The fourth ring is decorated with golden garlands and was added in 1938–39 as the whole monument has been relocated. The fourth ring in the column has a meaning, similarly to the original 3 rings. The fourth ring was added by Hitler after the Battle of France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France) ended. The entire column, including the sculpture, is 66.89 meters tall.
The relief decoration was removed at the request of the French forces in 1945, probably to prevent Germans from being reminded of former victories, especially the defeat of the French in 1871. It was restored for the 750th anniversary of Berlin in 1987 by the French president at that time, François Mitterrand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Mitterrand). However, several sections remain in France.

[Marcus Aurelius]

you know you've lost when HuffPo allows this to be posted...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-jencunas/obama-brandenburg-speech_b_3469362.html


Obama's Brandenburg Speech Full of Empty PromisesPresident Obama's speech (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/06/19/transcript-of-obamas-speech-in-berlin/)in Brandenburg, Germany, could easily have been mistaken for a music festival. The mostly youthful crowd broke into applause at the slightest provocation and there was a giant gap between perception and reality. Rather than psychotropic drugs, the Brandenburg crowd was deluded by optimism, so strong they could not recognize the disconnect between the outcomes Obama wants and the policies he pursues. In the world Obama described, Iran does not realize its nuclear ambitions; America "moves beyond a mindset of perpetual war" while still ensuring Afghan girls can go to school; and oppressed Syrians tear down their government just as Germans tore down the Berlin wall while America negotiates arms control with the Russians. These are admirable goals, but the first has been made less likely by Obama's foreign policy and the other two are impossibly contradictory.


Obama's empty promises on foreign affairs may seem like harmless political puffery. But when people have unrealistic expectations about geopolitics, namely that objectives can be achieved without sacrifice and even contradictory goals can be realized, disappointment inevitably results. In a democracy, where policymaking depends on popular support, this disappointment can actually constrain the options open to the president. Impossible promises earn applause now, but Obama will regret them when he looks at his foreign policy approval rating once reality proves him wrong.

[aboutime]

Robert. Nobody, but nobody cares WHERE you have been. Nor, how many times you may have been somewhere.

You are NOT the One, and Only person on this forum, or on the entire Internet who has been places other than between the coastlines of the ATLANTIC, and PACIFIC oceans.

This may surprise you but...there are approximately a FEW Billion other Human's on this planet who all have interesting lives. And strangely enough. NONE of them have met you, or CARE whether you have been anywhere.

Like me. Just another number in the long line of people who occupy a space, and have experienced BIRTH, SCHOOL, GROWING UP, GETTING MARRIED, HAVING CHILDREN, then GRANDCHILDREN. All while going places around this Earth. And nobody else really cares about me either.

So. You can come down from your HIGH WOODEN, ORANGE CRATE. Nobody really gives a crap.

[Robert A Whit]

Robert. Nobody, but nobody cares WHERE you have been. Nor, how many times you may have been somewhere.

You are NOT the One, and Only person on this forum, or on the entire Internet who has been places other than between the coastlines of the ATLANTIC, and PACIFIC oceans.

This may surprise you but...there are approximately a FEW Billion other Human's on this planet who all have interesting lives. And strangely enough. NONE of them have met you, or CARE whether you have been anywhere.

Like me. Just another number in the long line of people who occupy a space, and have experienced BIRTH, SCHOOL, GROWING UP, GETTING MARRIED, HAVING CHILDREN, then GRANDCHILDREN. All while going places around this Earth. And nobody else really cares about me either.

So. You can come down from your HIGH WOODEN, ORANGE CRATE. Nobody really gives a crap.

It is not about Me.

You know with the way you think, why are you posting?

Must you be so crude all the time?

I bet people call you Rudy since you are so rude.

[Voted4Reagan]

Obama dreams of making a speech like this... but never will..



http://youtu.be/WjWDrTXMgF8

[Marcus Aurelius]

Obama dreams of making a speech like this... but never will..



http://youtu.be/WjWDrTXMgF8

Obama couldn't snif Ron's shorts.

[aboutime]

Obama couldn't snif Ron's shorts.


Marcus. This is almost exactly WHY....I have called Obama the "PRETENDER" since he was elected.

He is only good at pretending to be smart, and less effective at being Honest, Real, and Good for the nation.

But then. He is good at fooling the people with his pretend....wannabe attitudes that FOOL most of the people all of the time. Like....at the polls.

[Robert A Whit]

Marcus. This is almost exactly WHY....I have called Obama the "PRETENDER" since he was elected.

He is only good at pretending to be smart, and less effective at being Honest, Real, and Good for the nation.

But then. He is good at fooling the people with his pretend....wannabe attitudes that FOOL most of the people all of the time. Like....at the polls.

Good post Rudy.