Isn't he a little young still to be recruited!?

[Trinity]

I get home from work today and listen to the voice mail messages on the house phone...and there is a message for William (my just turned 17 year old), from a sergeant at the recruiting office. He was contacting (my local school district) seniors to see if they might be interested in joining the Army....uh NO....

And since when does the high school give out personal info to Army recruiters of minor children, without consent from the parent?!

And especially since he's unschooled and has not attended that school since last December. WTF!

[DragonStryk72]

I get home from work today and listen to the voice mail messages on the house phone...and there is a message for William (my just turned 17 year old), from a sergeant at the recruiting office. He was contacting (my local school district) seniors to see if they might be interested in joining the Army....uh NO....

And since when does the high school give out personal info to Army recruiters of minor children, without consent from the parent?!

And especially since he's unschooled and has not attended that school since last December. WTF!

Yeah, that's messed up. When I was 17, they were doing recruiting at my school, but that was basically just a table in the cafeteria. They didn't go calling us at home or anything unless we gave out our information to them personally.

[BillyBob]

What attracts young men to the military these days?

[Marcus Aurelius]

unfortunately, it's legal.

http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/nclb.military.recruiters.htm

Under a provision in Title IX of the No Child Left Behind Act (http://www.wrightslaw.com/nclb/index.htm), schools are required to release the names, addresses, and phone numbers of high school juniors and seniors to "military recruiters," "post secondary educational institutions," and "prospective employers." (20 U.S.C. § 7908)


The U. S. Department of Education issued a Q & A publication about the military recruiter issue (http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/pdf/ht100902b.pdf) in October 2002. According to this publication, the provision is intended to ensure that recruiters have the same access to high school students as colleges and universities.


If you do not want the school to release information about your child to military recruiters, you need to let the school know this - in writing. Some school districts are sending a form that parents can sign to "opt out" of this provision. Other districts have not taken steps to develop an "opt-out" procedure yet. If you have not received an opt-out form to sign, you can write a letter, advising the school that you do not want military recruiters to have access to personal information about your child.

[aboutime]

I get home from work today and listen to the voice mail messages on the house phone...and there is a message for William (my just turned 17 year old), from a sergeant at the recruiting office. He was contacting (my local school district) seniors to see if they might be interested in joining the Army....uh NO....

And since when does the high school give out personal info to Army recruiters of minor children, without consent from the parent?!

And especially since he's unschooled and has not attended that school since last December. WTF!


Trinity. Unfortunately. When your son was born. Do you remember a document called a Birth Certificate?

All information about you and your newborn son became property of the STATE where you live, and the FOIA
gives any, and all government entities the access to names. No consent forms needed from you.
That's how THE 1984 story has been playing out for more years than all of us have been alive.
It's what we get with the Government we voted for. Sad, but true.

[jimnyc]

I remember when the Marines were after me, but it was my own fault. I went to them looking to join, but it was at a local recruiting office and all I did was get some literature, and gave them my contact information. I think it was 2 mornings later and my doorbell rang. I looked out but didn't recognize the guy, so ignored it. Next thing I hear some guy yelling "Hey Devil Dog, get out here, let's talk". I was like, devil dog? WTF? I had no idea that was a term for the new recruits or rookies or whatever. All I know is that this guy came to my house several times looking for the devil dog! LOL That was an aggressive bastard, a phone call would have been good enough! But that was different, I believe I was about 19, and I had went to them.

[Trinity]

unfortunately, it's legal.

http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/nclb.military.recruiters.htm



But he is not a student there, he is homeschooled.

[Trinity]

I remember when the Marines were after me, but it was my own fault. I went to them looking to join, but it was at a local recruiting office and all I did was get some literature, and gave them my contact information. I think it was 2 mornings later and my doorbell rang. I looked out but didn't recognize the guy, so ignored it. Next thing I hear some guy yelling "Hey Devil Dog, get out here, let's talk". I was like, devil dog? WTF? I had no idea that was a term for the new recruits or rookies or whatever. All I know is that this guy came to my house several times looking for the devil dog! LOL That was an aggressive bastard, a phone call would have been good enough! But that was different, I believe I was about 19, and I had went to them.


yeah this was totally random and unexpected, especially since he just turned 17 a month ago.

[aboutime]

yeah this was totally random and unexpected, especially since he just turned 17 a month ago.


Trinity. I wasn't joking about the Birth Certificate. That is the first tool the government uses. Your son also has a S.S. number. Does he not?
None of us are immune from the reaches of the government. That's just the way it is. No disrespect intended. But, that's the truth.

[Kathianne]

I get home from work today and listen to the voice mail messages on the house phone...and there is a message for William (my just turned 17 year old), from a sergeant at the recruiting office. He was contacting (my local school district) seniors to see if they might be interested in joining the Army....uh NO....

And since when does the high school give out personal info to Army recruiters of minor children, without consent from the parent?!

And especially since he's unschooled and has not attended that school since last December. WTF!

You can read it in PDF form, but here is cached version, essentially yes, the schools must release the names of all students unless the parents signed an exemption. Thank "No Child Left Behind" legislation:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cUvexhXHnX8J:http://www.aclu-tn.org/pdfs/military_recruitment.pdf%2Bhigh+schools+names+to+m ilitary+recruiters&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&hl=en&ct=clnk

[Gaffer]

Recruiters go through schools to present there recruitment information to 17 year olds because that is the age when kids are deciding what they want to do after high school. Many business recruiters do the same thing. The kids can be recruited under the delayed enlistment program.

In the 60's you could enlist at 17 with your parents signature. I knew a few guys that did that.

Recruiters have quotes to meet, so they use ever means necessary to get the numbers they need.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=644611#post644611)
unfortunately, it's legal.

http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/nclb....recruiters.htm (http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/nclb.military.recruiters.htm)



But he is not a student there, he is homeschooled.

But he is still registered with the state as home schooled, right? Your curriculum is still approved by the state or school board or something, at least I think that's how it works, isn't it? They have his information, and passed it on, per the Patriot Act.

Sucks, but it's legal.

[darin]

Great program. Glad its legal. I'd even support mandatory service ala Israel. :)

[Trinity]

so then I am guessing best course of action in regards to falling off the grid is to fake our deaths and disappear....kind of sad if you think about it. :eek:

[aboutime]

so then I am guessing best course of action in regards to falling off the grid is to fake our deaths and disappear....kind of sad if you think about it. :eek:


Trinity. Govt. won't let that happen. If you, or anyone else tried to do such a thing, and you stayed in this country. They could put you in prison when they catch you anyhow. It is sad to think about. But the truth is.
There is nothing you, or anyone else can do....LEGALLY to remove yourself, or your family off of that GRID.
Why appease them by becoming "Like Them?"
Think about that.