Killer of British Soldier was Held in Kenya

[taft2012]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/26/us-britain-killing-idUSBRE94P06E20130526




One of two men arrested over the murder of a British soldier in a London street was detained in Kenya in 2010 on suspicion of seeking to train with an al Qaeda-linked group in Somalia, Kenyan police said on Sunday.


Confirmation that Michael Adebolajo was held in Kenya and deported to London will intensify calls for Britain's spy agencies to explain what they knew about the suspect and whether they could have done more to prevent Lee Rigby's killing on Wednesday.


The British parliament's security committee will next week investigate the security services' actions in the run-up to a killing that has put pressure on Prime Minister David Cameron to take a harder line on radicals.


The Nairobi government initially said Adebolajo had never visited Kenya. But on Sunday, Boniface Mwaniki, head of Kenya's anti-terrorism police, said Adebolajo was arrested in November 2010 and deported to Britain.

The Saudis and Russians warned us. Kenya warned Britain.

Why is nobody paying any attention? And why aren't there any political repercussions?

[taft2012]

BTW: I changed the Reuters headline from "Suspected Killer" to "Killer of British Soldier."

For gawd's sake, there's a video of the guy with bloody hands, standing over the dead body holding the murder weapons, confessing...

Do we really need to tiptoe around the issue in *this* case?

The friggin' western world has lost its damned mind and damned well better wake the feck up.

[fj1200]

Why is nobody paying any attention? And why aren't there any political repercussions?

Because your more likely to die by flying furniture.

[Drummond]

Because your more likely to die by flying furniture.

Is that so ?

Tell that to the family of Lee Rigby.

I have one answer to give you. It is contained within the post linked to below.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?40501-NEW-Bi-Partisan-report-on-torture&p=641659#post641659

[Drummond]

BTW: I changed the Reuters headline from "Suspected Killer" to "Killer of British Soldier."

For gawd's sake, there's a video of the guy with bloody hands, standing over the dead body holding the murder weapons, confessing...

Do we really need to tiptoe around the issue in *this* case?

The friggin' western world has lost its damned mind and damned well better wake the feck up.:clap::clap::clap:

I absolutely agree.

[Drummond]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/26/us-britain-killing-idUSBRE94P06E20130526



The Saudis and Russians warned us. Kenya warned Britain.

Why is nobody paying any attention? And why aren't there any political repercussions?

A lot of this comes down to political correctness. The need to serve political expediency.

In my country, our Socialists tried hard to create a culture in which one deferred to the demands of those from minority cultures, or, one was labelled 'racist'. From this climate, all else followed .. nearly unrestrained immigration, deference to immigrants' demands. Mosques sprang up. Whole communities were formed demanding much, but never interested in integration in return. And in the service of that same cultural imperative, the lie of Islam as a 'peaceful religion'.

Fast-forward to today, and nobody in authority can be properly candid about the mess this all created. If someone's savagely murdered by a Muslim terrorist, or if bomb outrages are perpetrated, then it's the work of 'extremists', figures supposedly divorced from 'mainstream' Islam.

Over these past few days, our media has been supportive of the soldier, his family, his memory. But running through all this support is the standard 'the killer was an extremist' message, AGAIN, designed to distance what happened from any association with the root cause of it .. ISLAM itself.

One example was printed on the front page of the Daily Star, on Friday. That page, devoted to a photo of Lee Rigby in dress uniform, had, printed by the side of it in large print, the words: 'A TRUE HERO. Loving dad, Afghan veteran and brave soldier. Butchered by a drug-taking waster born and bred in Britain'.

These may appear to be tough and supportive words, but the distancing from Islam is also implicit within them. This is how it's done .. harness sympathy for the soldier and redirect it in a SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE way.

Today, our Government announced the creation of a taskforce to tackle the threat of radicalisation in the UK. But, again, its focus is in seeing those 'radicalised' as being just a comparative 'few' (albeit possibly thousands) who fall outside of mainstream Islam. This panders to the Muslim community as a whole and helps assure Muslim pressure groups of continued official recognition. [That said, our Home Secretary, Theresa May, did at least say, in a BBC interview earlier today, that Anjem Choudary's views were 'disgusting', and she questioned why the BBC has repeatedly interviewed him ...]

There will be action. Repurcussions are occurring. BUT, they are being managed within social limits .. and always will be. Limits which deal with symptoms, and not causes.

[aboutime]

Only one realistic explanation since our president wants everyone to believe HE has eliminated Terrorism around the world.

And, that one reason is. "The World has been OBAMA-TISED!"

That is how effective Obama's lies have been. Everybody who has no ability to think, or reason. BELIEVES HIM.

[fj1200]

Is that so ?

Tell that to the family of Lee Rigby.


Well it is true regardless the tragedy, not the flying furniture of course. I can only hope that the correct and best steps are taken, both here and abroad, to eliminate such threats. Only the voters can install better politicians if the current ones won't take threats seriously.

[taft2012]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps Great Britain is totally fecked.

[Syrenn]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/26/us-britain-killing-idUSBRE94P06E20130526



The Saudis and Russians warned us. Kenya warned Britain.

Why is nobody paying any attention? And why aren't there any political repercussions?

becasue they have to DO something first....

though if it was up to me i would have zero problem with suspected problem people being removed.

[aboutime]

All of the COWARDS running nations around the World refuse to use the most obvious tactic of identifying ANARCHISTS, TERRORISTS, and DANGEROUS PEOPLE.

The One Word they Fear the most is the Politically Incorrect, Honest "PROFILING".

The so-called leaders of the WORLD fear upsetting, offending, insulting, bothering, and last...but not least USING THE TRUTH.

Profiling should be the FIRST word, instead of the LAST word used by anyone who wishes to END terrorism....ANYWHERE.

And THAT'S THE TRUTH!

[jafar00]

BTW: I changed the Reuters headline from "Suspected Killer" to "Killer of British Soldier."

For gawd's sake, there's a video of the guy with bloody hands, standing over the dead body holding the murder weapons, confessing...

Do we really need to tiptoe around the issue in *this* case?

The friggin' western world has lost its damned mind and damned well better wake the feck up.

Usually, they wait until a Judge has determined their guilt in court even if the "suspect" is caught red handed so to say. It is legally correct.


Is that so ?

Tell that to the family of Lee Rigby.

I have one answer to give you. It is contained within the post linked to below.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?40501-NEW-Bi-Partisan-report-on-torture&p=641659#post641659

You could tell it to the family of Mohammed Saleem too.

A grandfather of 22 has been stabbed to death while on his way home from evening prayers at a Birmingham mosque. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-22348820)

That attack is notable for the fact that there was no outrage, no international condemnation. Just a forgotten mention in the newspaper.

[taft2012]

becasue they have to DO something first....


No,that doesn't make any sense. If that's the case, then someone who arrives with warnings from foreign countries (i.e., Russia, Saudi Arabia, Kenya) would be treated no differently than anyone else who the government has not had a warning about.

Then all counter-terrorism efforts would involve just waiting for people to do something.

[fj1200]

No,that doesn't make any sense.

What do you suggest be done?

[jimnyc]

Usually, they wait until a Judge has determined their guilt in court even if the "suspect" is caught red handed so to say. It is legally correct.

I disagree with that. These guys clearly killed the soldier. Whether they are found not guilty, for whatever reason, is a different story. But no on suspects them of the actual killing, everyone KNOWS they did it.

Similar to the Jodi Arias case here in the states, where she butchered her boyfriend and then shot him in the forehead. She was never a 'suspect' once arrested, she was listed as the killer, it was just whether or not she did so in self defense or maybe insanity - but she would still be his killer.

The only legal jargon left here is whether they end up 'convicted' in a court of law. But calling them killers, instead of 'suspected', prior to the court case, is not incorrect.

[jafar00]

I disagree with that. These guys clearly killed the soldier. Whether they are found not guilty, for whatever reason, is a different story. But no on suspects them of the actual killing, everyone KNOWS they did it.

Similar to the Jodi Arias case here in the states, where she butchered her boyfriend and then shot him in the forehead. She was never a 'suspect' once arrested, she was listed as the killer, it was just whether or not she did so in self defense or maybe insanity - but she would still be his killer.

The only legal jargon left here is whether they end up 'convicted' in a court of law. But calling them killers, instead of 'suspected', prior to the court case, is not incorrect.

There are laws regarding how media can portray a criminal case so as to minimise the possibility that they may influence the outcome of a trial although they may not be in the US?

Here, you are innocent until proven guilty, even if you are caught with bloody hands, with a bloody knife, next to a bloody, dead body.

You know he is guilty, I know he is guilty, but the media is not supposed to be the judge, jury and executioner.

[aboutime]

There are laws regarding how media can portray a criminal case so as to minimise the possibility that they may influence the outcome of a trial although they may not be in the US?

Here, you are innocent until proven guilty, even if you are caught with bloody hands, with a bloody knife, next to a bloody, dead body.

You know he is guilty, I know he is guilty, but the media is not supposed to be the judge, jury and executioner.


jafar. Since you do not live here in the USA. Our laws, rules, and constitution mean nothing to you. The same as any remarks you may try to make about our laws, rules, and constitution.
You are nothing but a terrorist-defending, trouble maker who gets all of your pleasure from trying to make everyone else as Miserable as You are. And your life too!
Keep defending your terrorist, lying friends who emulate you, and you, in turn....emulate with excuses and lies.

[MtnBiker]

You know he is guilty, I know he is guilty, but the media is not supposed to be the judge, jury and executioner.

Yeah, kind of like this;

http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-still-thinks-convince-jury-hes-not-212353125.html

:rolleyes:

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[aboutime]

Yeah, kind of like this;

http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-still-thinks-convince-jury-hes-not-212353125.html

:rolleyes:

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We all know the Sun will come up somewhere on Earth tomorrow, there will be rain, snow, sunny skies, cold, and hot, and stormy weather as well. So...does that make the PRESS guilty of telling everyone what the weather will be..because a judge, and jury didn't decide the OBVIOUS????

[Drummond]

You could tell it to the family of Mohammed Saleem too.

A grandfather of 22 has been stabbed to death while on his way home from evening prayers at a Birmingham mosque. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-22348820)

That attack is notable for the fact that there was no outrage, no international condemnation. Just a forgotten mention in the newspaper.

According to the link you provided, police didn't know what motivated the attack (.. so any conclusions you yourself come to are surely speculative ?).

Now see this link ... from the BBC ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-22685382


A prison officer has been taken hostage and attacked by three inmates at a maximum-security jail near York.

The incident on Sunday at Full Sutton prison in East Yorkshire lasted four hours, the Prison Service said.

The male officer suffered a broken cheekbone and has been discharged from hospital. A female colleague who tried to help him suffered cuts to her arm.

The North East Counter Terrorism Unit, which is investigating, said two of the suspects were aged 25 and the other 26.

The men are not in prison for terror-related offences, a spokesperson for the unit said.

In a statement, the unit said it would take time to establish the full details of what had happened,

It added: "Searches by specialist teams are underway within the prison for any evidence which may assist the police inquiry."

Police had been called to a report of a "hostage situation" at the facility at 16:30 BST on Sunday.

The BBC's Ed Thomas said prison officers in riot gear were brought in to end the incident.

The Prison Officers Association (POA) said it was sending a national representative to the jail to determine exactly what happened.

Steve Gillan, POA general secretary, said: "The POA are aware of the attack on two prison officers at HMP Full Sutton including a hostage incident.

"Until the full facts of the incident are known, we do not wish to comment further for fear of compromising any police investigation.

I watched the first report about this, on BBC News. In that report, the attackers were identified as all Muslim. But since that initial report, what we NOW have is this sanitised report, which NOWHERE mentions Muslims, at all.

See this other report ...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4945112/fanatics-stab-jail-hostage-warder-full-sutton-prison.html


THREE fanatical Muslim convicts stabbed and battered a prison officer after taking him hostage.

The terrified warder was freed after a four-hour ordeal at Full Sutton Prison, East Yorks — said to have been inspired by the murder and attempted beheading of soldier Lee Rigby by two extremists in Woolwich on Wednesday.

The unnamed male officer was in hospital last night and is lucky to be alive, sources said yesterday.

A female prison guard was also injured as she tried to stop the brutes dragging her colleague away.

Full Sutton jail houses some of Britain’s most dangerous terrorists and criminals and is notorious for its hardline Muslim inmates.

A source said: “This had all the hallmarks of a pre-planned attack inspired by the Woolwich atrocity.

“It’s something officials have been fearing could happen for several years and now it finally has.

“The officer was frankly lucky to survive. The attack was brutal. He is badly shaken but realises how fortunate he’s been.”

The officer’s injuries were said to include a broken jaw. The convicts snatched him near the kitchens of the jail’s E Wing on Sunday at about 4pm.

Full Sutton’s governor Paul Foweather was kept informed as officers initially locked around 600 inmates in their cells and tried to calm the explosive stand-off.

But within minutes a decision was taken to call in the crack National Tactical Response Group — the Prison Service’s version of a riot squad. They finally managed to free the officer shortly before 9pm.

The attackers were believed to include two men who are serving long sentences and a third who converted to Islam in prison. He is said to be a white man jailed for a serious violent offence.

Terrorism expert Neil Doyle yesterday said the attack on the prison officer appeared to have been staged in support of those who murdered Lee.

He added: “Terrorist incidents like that of last week often serve to inspire others. Al Qaeda has for some time now been preaching a strategy based on smaller, individual attacks rather than larger, more complex ‘spectaculars’ which are harder to plan and more likely to alert the security services.

[Drummond]

Well it is true regardless the tragedy, not the flying furniture of course. I can only hope that the correct and best steps are taken, both here and abroad, to eliminate such threats. Only the voters can install better politicians if the current ones won't take threats seriously.

It unquestionably helps if you recognise the nature of the enemy you wish to deal with. Efforts made - and self-serving, ego-driven ones, at that - to SANITISE the nature of that enemy, only serve to support that enemy.

But don't worry. That subhuman scum inflict misery and pain on innocents, without ANY humanity intervening to stop that ... if you are incapable of seeing what's in front of your nose, there are plenty of us left with better vision than you.

[aboutime]

It unquestionably helps if you recognise the nature of the enemy you wish to deal with. Efforts made - and self-serving, ego-driven ones, at that - to SANITISE the nature of that enemy, only serve to support that enemy.

But don't worry. That subhuman scum inflict misery and pain on innocents, without ANY humanity intervening to stop that ... if you are incapable of seeing what's in front of your nose, there are plenty of us left with better vision than you.


Sir Drummond. He just isn't worth it. Not even fj is sure who, or what he is pretending to be.

[fj1200]

It unquestionably helps if you recognise the nature of the enemy you wish to deal with. Efforts made - and self-serving, ego-driven ones, at that - to SANITISE the nature of that enemy, only serve to support that enemy.

I don't sanitize anything. I state TRUTH rather than overhyperbolize.


But don't worry. That subhuman scum inflict misery and pain on innocents, without ANY humanity intervening to stop that ... if you are incapable of seeing what's in front of your nose, there are plenty of us left with better vision than you.

Another thread where you ignorantly state what you think others believe while not defending your own position? Been there... and you walked away.

[fj1200]

Sir Drummond. He just isn't worth it. Not even fj is sure who, or what he is pretending to be.

Can't get me out of your mind eh?

[Drummond]

I don't sanitize anything. I state TRUTH rather than overhyperbolize.

Another thread where you ignorantly state what you think others believe while not defending your own position? Been there... and you walked away.

You're being ridiculous .. as well as proving me right.

You sanitise the status of terrorists to insist they're human. That they prove their SUBhumanity makes no difference to you.

The evidence is clear. They commit their attacks, without any sense of humanity intervening to stop them. After their attacks, does the humanity of remorse set in ? NO, because the HUMANITY that would cause it is absent. Rather, they exult in their savagery.

My case is repeatedly proven, as the Lee Rigby example recently helped show.There have been many such proofs of my case in the past. There will be many more in the future.

And you'll be deaf and blind to them all. Which is why debating with you is a complete and utter waste of time. You're deaf to anything you'd rather not hear.

[fj1200]

You're being ridiculous .. as well as proving me right.

You sanitise the status of terrorists to insist they're human. That they prove their SUBhumanity makes no difference to you.

The evidence is clear. They commit their attacks, without any sense of humanity intervening to stop them. After their attacks, does the humanity of remorse set in ? NO, because the HUMANITY that would cause it is absent. Rather, they exult in their savagery.

My case is repeatedly proven, as the Lee Rigby example recently helped show.There have been many such proofs of my case in the past. There will be many more in the future.

And you'll be deaf and blind to them all. Which is why debating with you is a complete and utter waste of time. You're deaf to anything you'd rather not hear.

Yeah, more repetitive, and false, logic. Thank you. And I'M deaf? When will you be answering my question in the other thread?

How do you tell the difference between a Muslim terrorist and a Muslim non-terrorist? (not a joke, honest question btw)

[aboutime]

Can't get me out of your mind eh?


It's not my mind I'm worried about. Please say AH!

[fj1200]

It's not my mind I'm worried about. Please say AH!

Fantasizing about your days during the cabin boy exchange program with the Greek Navy?

[aboutime]

Fantasizing about your days during the cabin boy exchange program with the Greek Navy?


Yeah. And every time you come back with a post. I remember how you looked. How's that goin' for ya now?
You just gave yourself away. The sounds of P.COM finally arrive.

[taft2012]

There are laws regarding how media can portray a criminal case so as to minimise the possibility that they may influence the outcome of a trial although they may not be in the US?

No, we don't have such laws here. News outlets refrain from doing so because of civil liabilities.


Here, you are innocent until proven guilty, even if you are caught with bloody hands, with a bloody knife, next to a bloody, dead body.

You know he is guilty, I know he is guilty, but the media is not supposed to be the judge, jury and executioner.

The media is supposed to tell us facts. The fact is; this guy is a cold-blooded killer motivated by Islam. Reporting the truth does not make a newspaper a "judge, jury and executioner."

To refer to him as a "Suspect" is to insult the intelligence of everyone reading Reuters.

[jafar00]

The media is supposed to tell us facts. The fact is; this guy is a cold-blooded killer motivated by Islam. Reporting the truth does not make a newspaper a "judge, jury and executioner."

To refer to him as a "Suspect" is to insult the intelligence of everyone reading Reuters.

No, he is a cold blooded killer motivated by his own psychosis. Islam does not in any way support his actions.

[aboutime]

No, he is a cold blooded killer motivated by his own psychosis. Islam does not in any way support his actions.


How many EXCUSES can you come up with to defend your mind-set jafar?

[fj1200]

Yeah. And every time you come back with a post. I remember how you looked. How's that goin' for ya now?
You just gave yourself away. The sounds of P.COM finally arrive.

I don't even know what the means but you are a freak show.

[aboutime]

I don't even know what the means but you are a freak show.


So, you enjoy my attempts to mimic, and emulate you? Good for you.

[fj1200]

So, you enjoy my attempts to mimic, and emulate you? Good for you.

Logic and reason takes effort. Maybe someday you'll make it.

[taft2012]

No, he is a cold blooded killer motivated by his own psychosis. Islam does not in any way support his actions.

Really,so what is it about Islam -as opposed to other worldwide religions- that seems to elicit this "psychotic" behavior in its followers?

[aboutime]

Logic and reason takes effort. Maybe someday you'll make it.


Too bad YOU have none!

[fj1200]

Too bad YOU have none!

Whatever dude.

[jafar00]

Really,so what is it about Islam -as opposed to other worldwide religions- that seems to elicit this "psychotic" behavior in its followers?

Christianity and Judaism and Atheism also have their own fair share of psychotic killers and nutcases. Why single out Islam? What about the likely EDL members who stabbed a 74 y/o in the street at the beginning of the month in Birmingham? Why doesn't that murder get the same outrage and worldwide exposure?

[Kathianne]

Christianity and Judaism and Atheism also have their own fair share of psychotic killers and nutcases. Why single out Islam? What about the likely EDL members who stabbed a 74 y/o in the street at the beginning of the month in Birmingham? Why doesn't that murder get the same outrage and worldwide exposure?

An elderly Pakistani man was killed, and some ijits on EDL site are happy. From that you come up with likely killers? Seriously? EDL is more a political group than religious. No one is purported to have killed this man yelling, "In Christ's name die!"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/30/murder-inquiry-birmingham-pensioner

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Appeals-for-Help-as-elderly-man-Stabbed-to-Death-in-Small-Heath/323105094485127

[taft2012]

Christianity and Judaism and Atheism also have their own fair share of psychotic killers and nutcases. Why single out Islam? What about the likely EDL members who stabbed a 74 y/o in the street at the beginning of the month in Birmingham? Why doesn't that murder get the same outrage and worldwide exposure?

Because the EDL does not claim to be acting in the name of Jesus Christ, and justified by Christ's teachings. Nor do they have Church of England clergy men rushing to their defense citing scripture justifying stabbings.

You have trouble distinguishing between violence committed by those who happens to be Christian, with violence committed by those motivated by Islam.

Actually, you probably don't have trouble making that distinction, but simply chose not to out of convenience.

[jafar00]

An elderly Pakistani man was killed, and some ijits on EDL site are happy. From that you come up with likely killers? Seriously? EDL is more a political group than religious. No one is purported to have killed this man yelling, "In Christ's name die!"


Political or not, they are still terrorists even if all they are terrorising are immigrants.

If the guy was killed "in Christ's name" would you call it Christian?

[jafar00]

Because the EDL does not claim to be acting in the name of Jesus Christ, and justified by Christ's teachings. Nor do they have Church of England clergy men rushing to their defense citing scripture justifying stabbings.

You have trouble distinguishing between violence committed by those who happens to be Christian, with violence committed by those motivated by Islam.

Actually, you probably don't have trouble making that distinction, but simply chose not to out of convenience.

What "Clergy" supported that Nigerian twat?

[Kathianne]

Political or not, they are still terrorists even if all they are terrorising are immigrants.

If the guy was killed "in Christ's name" would you call it Christian?

What you keep dancing circles around is trying to remove Islam as a problem for your terrorists. While a few may just be useful ijits, the most 'successful' at committing their acts of terrorism have been highly educated and certainly capable of reading and understanding their religious texts, indeed there seems to be Arabic fluency pretty much across the board.

Now you want to get into a 'hypothetical' query of a Christian that acted the same.