cadet
05-23-2013, 10:33 AM
My atheist friends are freaking out about this. I always figured it was common sense. IMOP It has a "no dip" factor...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html)
Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of "doing good" as a principle that unites all humanity, and a "culture of encounter" (http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/22/pope_at_mass:_culture_of_encounter_is_the_foundati on_of_peace/en1-694445)to support peace.
Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9%3A38-40&version=NIV), Francis explained how upset Jesus' disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio.
“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”Pope Francis went further in his sermon to say:
"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html#) of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”Responding to the leader of the Roman Catholic church's homily, Father James Martin, S.J. (https://www.facebook.com/FrJamesMartin)wrote in an email (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html#) to The Huffington Post:
"Pope Francis is saying, more clearly than ever before, that Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for everyone. That's always been a Christian belief. You can find St. Paul saying in the First Letter to Timothy that Jesus gave himself as a "ransom for all." But rarely do you hear it said by Catholics so forcefully, and with such evident joy. And in this era of religious controversies, it's a timely reminder that God cannot be confined to our narrow categories."Of course, not all Christians believe (http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?articleid=4874) that those who don't believe will be redeemed, and the Pope's words may spark memories of the deep divisions from the Protestant reformation over the belief in redemption through grace versus redemption through works (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+2%3A8-9&version=NIV).
The pope's comment has also struck a chord on Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/), where it is the second most-shared piece.
More from Reuters:
Atheists should be seen as good people if they do good, Pope Francis said on Wednesday in his latest urging that people of all religions - or no religion - work together.
The leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics made his comments in the homily of his morning Mass in his residence, a daily event where he speaks without prepared comments.
He told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.
"Even them, everyone," the pope answered, according to Vatican Radio. "We all have the duty to do good," he said.
"Just do good and we'll find a meeting point," the pope said in a hypothetical conversation in which someone told a priest: "But I don't believe. I'm an atheist."
Francis's reaching out to atheists and people who belong to no religion is a marked contrast to the attitude of former Pope Benedict, who sometimes left non-Catholics feeling that he saw them as second-class believers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html)
Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of "doing good" as a principle that unites all humanity, and a "culture of encounter" (http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/22/pope_at_mass:_culture_of_encounter_is_the_foundati on_of_peace/en1-694445)to support peace.
Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9%3A38-40&version=NIV), Francis explained how upset Jesus' disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio.
“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”Pope Francis went further in his sermon to say:
"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html#) of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”Responding to the leader of the Roman Catholic church's homily, Father James Martin, S.J. (https://www.facebook.com/FrJamesMartin)wrote in an email (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html#) to The Huffington Post:
"Pope Francis is saying, more clearly than ever before, that Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for everyone. That's always been a Christian belief. You can find St. Paul saying in the First Letter to Timothy that Jesus gave himself as a "ransom for all." But rarely do you hear it said by Catholics so forcefully, and with such evident joy. And in this era of religious controversies, it's a timely reminder that God cannot be confined to our narrow categories."Of course, not all Christians believe (http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?articleid=4874) that those who don't believe will be redeemed, and the Pope's words may spark memories of the deep divisions from the Protestant reformation over the belief in redemption through grace versus redemption through works (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+2%3A8-9&version=NIV).
The pope's comment has also struck a chord on Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/), where it is the second most-shared piece.
More from Reuters:
Atheists should be seen as good people if they do good, Pope Francis said on Wednesday in his latest urging that people of all religions - or no religion - work together.
The leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics made his comments in the homily of his morning Mass in his residence, a daily event where he speaks without prepared comments.
He told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.
"Even them, everyone," the pope answered, according to Vatican Radio. "We all have the duty to do good," he said.
"Just do good and we'll find a meeting point," the pope said in a hypothetical conversation in which someone told a priest: "But I don't believe. I'm an atheist."
Francis's reaching out to atheists and people who belong to no religion is a marked contrast to the attitude of former Pope Benedict, who sometimes left non-Catholics feeling that he saw them as second-class believers.