Thanks to socialist healthcare

[jafar00]

Thanks to my country's socialist healthcare system, Medicare I just had my appendix taken out, FREE. I am not paying a cent for it apart from the usual 1.5% Medicare levy I pay that also allows others the luxury of getting urgent, free medical attention when they need it.

Sounds like you guys need the same.

[Gaffer]

Thanks to my country's socialist healthcare system, Medicare I just had my appendix taken out, FREE. I am not paying a cent for it apart from the usual 1.5% Medicare levy I pay that also allows others the luxury of getting urgent, free medical attention when they need it.

Sounds like you guys need the same.

Yes I think it would be great if you paid my medical bills.

[BillyBob]

Thanks to my country's socialist healthcare system, Medicare I just had my appendix taken out, FREE. I am not paying a cent for it apart from the usual 1.5% Medicare levy I pay that also allows others the luxury of getting urgent, free medical attention when they need it.

Sounds like you guys need the same.


'Free'? Free to you maybe, but somebody had to pay for it.

[aboutime]

Thanks to my country's socialist healthcare system, Medicare I just had my appendix taken out, FREE. I am not paying a cent for it apart from the usual 1.5% Medicare levy I pay that also allows others the luxury of getting urgent, free medical attention when they need it.

Sounds like you guys need the same.


So tell us jafar. If you claim that operation was FREE. Just who...do you think paid for it?

Somebody you don't know? Or, did the government just print more money to take care of YOU?

[jafar00]

Yes I think it would be great if you paid my medical bills.

If you were part of the system, I would gladly do it.


'Free'? Free to you maybe, but somebody had to pay for it.

We all pay a 1.5% medicare levy. What goes around, comes around. I'm sure I've paid for someone else along the way too. The main thing is, when I needed it the care was there and I didn't need to open my wallet except to look at my Medicare card and give the number.


So tell us jafar. If you claim that operation was FREE. Just who...do you think paid for it?

Somebody you don't know? Or, did the government just print more money to take care of YOU?

Sure it's a big ponzi, but isn't all health insurance the same? It's just good to know that when your time comes to claim, there is not a claims officer sitting there denying everything and making you pay an excess.

I had a good, modern laparoscopic procedure done, was looked after well by the nurses and doctors after, and I will continue to have free checkups while I recover.

The food was pretty bad though ;)

[Voted4Reagan]

Thanks to my country's socialist healthcare system, Medicare I just had my appendix taken out, FREE. I am not paying a cent for it apart from the usual 1.5% Medicare levy I pay that also allows others the luxury of getting urgent, free medical attention when they need it.

Sounds like you guys need the same.

and where did the money come from to pay for it?

[BillyBob]

We all pay a 1.5% medicare levy. What goes around, comes around. I'm sure I've paid for someone else along the way too. The main thing is, when I needed it the care was there and I didn't need to open my wallet except to look at my Medicare card and give the number.




1.5% of what?

[fj1200]

Sure it's a big ponzi, but isn't all health insurance the same?

No... that tends to describe government programs that are poorly designed and benefit the early beneficiaries before screwing those at the end. But you guys all have your maps upside down so maybe that's why you tend to think big government programs are the opposite too. :poke:

[aboutime]

If you were part of the system, I would gladly do it.



We all pay a 1.5% medicare levy. What goes around, comes around. I'm sure I've paid for someone else along the way too. The main thing is, when I needed it the care was there and I didn't need to open my wallet except to look at my Medicare card and give the number.



Sure it's a big ponzi, but isn't all health insurance the same? It's just good to know that when your time comes to claim, there is not a claims officer sitting there denying everything and making you pay an excess.

I had a good, modern laparoscopic procedure done, was looked after well by the nurses and doctors after, and I will continue to have free checkups while I recover.

The food was pretty bad though ;)



UNANSWERED QUESTIONS are the Keynote of the lousy jafar existence made of excuses.

[DragonStryk72]

Thanks to my country's socialist healthcare system, Medicare I just had my appendix taken out, FREE. I am not paying a cent for it apart from the usual 1.5% Medicare levy I pay that also allows others the luxury of getting urgent, free medical attention when they need it.

Sounds like you guys need the same.

Um, it isn't free. Your appendectomy was paid for by EVERYONE, including the healthy people. Everyone is paying for everyone's elses medical procedure. It is not, by means of consideration, free.

[tailfins]

Thanks to my country's socialist healthcare system, Medicare I just had my appendix taken out, FREE. I am not paying a cent for it apart from the usual 1.5% Medicare levy I pay that also allows others the luxury of getting urgent, free medical attention when they need it.

Sounds like you guys need the same.

Fill in this tax calculator: http://www.taxtips.ca/calculators/qctaxcalc.htm

The nearest example to what you speak of is in Canada. If you make about $100K for a family of four in New Hampshire, the total income tax is about $10K. In Canada, it's about $35K. A good family health insurance policy runs about $15K-$18K. Just in income taxes, you come out behind. That doesn't even include $5/gallon gasoline, $6+/gallon for milk and considerably more for any good/service in Canada. Wages in Montreal average a little over HALF of wages in nearby Boston, presumably because of payroll related expenses.

[BillyBob]

Fill in this tax calculator: http://www.taxtips.ca/calculators/qctaxcalc.htm

The nearest example to what you speak of is in Canada. If you make about $100K for a family of four in New Hampshire, the total income tax is about $10K. In Canada, it's about $35K. A good family health insurance policy runs about $15K-$18K. Just in income taxes, you come out behind. That doesn't even include $5/gallon gasoline, $6+/gallon for milk and considerably more for any good/service in Canada. Wages in Montreal average a little over HALF of wages in nearby Boston, presumably because of payroll related expenses.


Obamacare will even all that out.

[tailfins]

Obamacare will even all that out.

Just pay the fine and only buy a policy when you get sick.

[BillyBob]

Just pay the fine and only buy a policy when you get sick.


If it goes as planned, you won't be able to buy a policy, health insurance companies will be out of business. At least until the imminent trainwreck when Obamacare hits the wall.

[tailfins]

If it goes as planned, you won't be able to buy a policy, health insurance companies will be out of business. At least until the imminent trainwreck when Obamacare hits the wall.

We are off on a tangent: Obamacare brings us a step closer to socialized medicine. Thankfully when it fails it won't be as difficult to undo as fully socialized medicine would be.

[Kathianne]

We are off on a tangent: Obamacare brings us a step closer to socialized medicine. Thankfully when it fails it won't be as difficult to undo as fully socialized medicine would be.

It will be 'fully socialized,' there's no way to avoid that.

[BillyBob]

It will be 'fully socialized,' there's no way to avoid that.

We can all refuse to participate.

[Kathianne]

We can all refuse to participate.

I'm not participating, but I do hear it will be on 1040 next year. Right, you don't pay taxes either. Not going there.

[BillyBob]

I'm not participating, but I do hear it will be on 1040 next year. Right, you don't pay taxes either. Not going there.

At least I back up my talk with action. I'd like to see more patriots do the same. You don't have to sit at the sideline and do something just because your fascist government demands it.

[Kathianne]

At least I back up my talk with action. I'd like to see more patriots do the same. You don't have to sit at the sideline and do something just because your fascist government demands it.

Of course not. Though it's not lost on me that said government has the power to put my ass in prison for doing what you advocate. Me? I want to be around for my kids and hopefully grandkids.

[tailfins]

It will be 'fully socialized,' there's no way to avoid that.

I think people will see that it doesn't work. People just won't accept raising taxes to Canadian levels. Obama stepped in it. Now the narrative will be "Obama offered a plan to fix it; look at the failed results." Had Obamacare not come along, the narrative would have been that a private healthcare system was a failure. Oh ye of little faith.


Of course not. Though it's not lost on me that said government has the power to put my ass in prison for doing what you advocate. Me? I want to be around for my kids and hopefully grandkids.

My effective income tax rate is about 10% on a six figure income. The Obamacare penalty isn't scheduled to become obscene. Taxes are manageable if you put on the green eyeshades, plan properly and fill out the right forms.

[BillyBob]

Of course not. Though it's not lost on me that said government has the power to put my ass in prison for doing what you advocate. Me? I want to be around for my kids and hopefully grandkids.

I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers never intended for US citizens to be fearful of their government.

[Kathianne]

I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers never intended for US citizens to be fearful of their government.


Why would you assume such? They certainly were fearful, which is why there are so many safeguards. Federated and separation of powers on each level. Unfortunately those in power have muddied the lines and the electorate hasn't complained so that they can hear.

[BillyBob]

Why would you assume such? They certainly were fearful, which is why there are so many safeguards. Federated and separation of powers on each level. Unfortunately those in power have muddied the lines and the electorate hasn't complained so that they can hear.

Precisely why they never intended citizens to fear their government. And of course, they would absolutely encourage an insurgency against it.

[jafar00]

1.5% of what?

1.5% of my salary. It's about to have a 0.5% hike in the new financial year as the government has a new idea to pay for the National Disability Insurance Scheme out of the medicare levy. Most Australians are supportive of the idea as it is a kind of charity to help disabled people who already have a hard enough time getting the care they need.


Um, it isn't free. Your appendectomy was paid for by EVERYONE, including the healthy people. Everyone is paying for everyone's elses medical procedure. It is not, by means of consideration, free.

True, but the lack of debits from my bank account mean that it is effectively free. If I went in for something more serious like a heart bypass, I would get even more value out of Medicare ;)


We are off on a tangent: Obamacare brings us a step closer to socialized medicine. Thankfully when it fails it won't be as difficult to undo as fully socialized medicine would be.

I think Obama should take note of how Australia and even the UK does it (10% national insurance ouch!). Socialised healthcare can work to the benefit of everyone if it is implemented correctly.

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