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Marcus Aurelius
05-13-2013, 10:51 PM
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/22809


The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16
This ruling is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah.


The penalty for apostasy, in Islam... is death. Consensus.

Let me guess, Jahil, they aren't 'really' Islamic scholars... right?

No...wait... I know! My source is an anti-Islamic hate site... right?

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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
05-13-2013, 11:10 PM
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/22809



The penalty for apostasy, in Islam... is death. Consensus.

Let me guess, Jahil, they aren't 'really' Islamic scholars... right?

No...wait... I know! My source is an anti-Islamic hate site... right?

No doubt that Jafar is hoding a big conference with his trusted advisors about how to reply.
The four leged one can not speak due to nature and the other two can not speak because the Koran forbids it. So Jafar will just have to make up any lies all by himself.. As usual.-Tyr

jimnyc
05-14-2013, 05:47 AM
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/22809



The penalty for apostasy, in Islam... is death. Consensus.

Let me guess, Jahil, they aren't 'really' Islamic scholars... right?

No...wait... I know! My source is an anti-Islamic hate site... right?

There is no worldly punishment for apostasy. Unless of course you live in places that Jafar doesn't, then there are millions and millions of people living under various translations of Sharia, and many of them have death for leaving the faith.

Marcus Aurelius
05-14-2013, 07:13 AM
There is no worldly punishment for apostasy. Unless of course you live in places that Jafar doesn't, then there are millions and millions of people living under various translations of Sharia, and many of them have death for leaving the faith.

Yes, but those millions and millions aren't 'really' Muslim... remember?

jimnyc
05-14-2013, 07:25 AM
Yes, but those millions and millions aren't 'really' Muslim... remember?

Well, they really are Muslims, but the people speaking of death for apostasy, or those delivering the punishment, they are not real Muslims. :)

tailfins
05-14-2013, 08:06 AM
If you consider below, the rest doesn't matter.

John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
05-14-2013, 10:22 AM
If you consider below, the rest doesn't matter.

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



I've used that quote many times here to prove that Islam is a false religion/cult. Even christian have maintained it is a valid religion that is to be given respect and honor. Yet it teaches and preaches that Jesus is not the Son of God! Imagine entire Christian denominations embracing that by way of honoring and demanding that Islam be accepted as a valid choice, as a valid religion..because such Christians exists and such Christian denominations exist! Don't doubt me on that and imagine if a Christian church taught that Lucifer, Satan was ok and could be accepted! No difference in doing that than their is in validating that a billion people that believe Jesus was not the Son of God and not mankind's saviour are part of a valid religion that is to be given respect and honored!--Tyr

Marcus Aurelius
05-14-2013, 10:29 AM
keep in mind that the point of this thread is not whether or not Islam is a 'valid' religion... it's the penalty within Islam for leaving Islam or dissing Mohammed... death.

SOME people claim there is no such penalty. When confronted by proof like this, they simply claim those people are not 'really' Islamic and pound their chest in supposed victory.

tailfins
05-15-2013, 07:26 AM
I've used that quote many times here to prove that Islam is a false religion/cult. Even christian have maintained it is a valid religion that is to be given respect and honor. Yet it teaches and preaches that Jesus is not the Son of God! Imagine entire Christian denominations embracing that by way of honoring and demanding that Islam be accepted as a valid choice, as a valid religion..because such Christians exists and such Christian denominations exist! Don't doubt me on that and imagine if a Christian church taught that Lucifer, Satan was ok and could be accepted! No difference in doing that than their is in validating that a billion people that believe Jesus was not the Son of God and not mankind's saviour are part of a valid religion that is to be given respect and honored!--Tyr

I'm a simple man; there's truth and there's error. I don't spend much time chronicling error.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
05-15-2013, 08:39 AM
keep in mind that the point of this thread is not whether or not Islam is a 'valid' religion... it's the penalty within Islam for leaving Islam or dissing Mohammed... death.

SOME people claim there is no such penalty. When confronted by proof like this, they simply claim those people are not 'really' Islamic and pound their chest in supposed victory.

Murdering followers simply for leaving a religion kinda invalidates a religion from being considered anything other than a cult IMHO. Yes, its defenders lie like a damn rug when saying Islam -the Koran does not teach that death is the sentence for leaving the religion. Far too much proof available to prove that they lie , like Jafar.. -Tyr

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Question: Does Islam proscribe the death penalty for Muslims who wish to embrace another religion?





Summary Answer: Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Muhammad. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim.





The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:89) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/004-qmt.php#004.089) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Qur'an (9:11-12) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.011) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist." Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217 (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/002-qmt.php#002.217), 9:73-74 (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.073), 88:21 (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/088-qmt.php#088.021), 5:54 (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/005-qmt.php#005.054), and 9:66 (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.066).




From the Hadith:

The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/004-qmt.php#004.080) of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."

Bukhari (52:260) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/052-sbt.php#004.052.260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.

Bukhari (83:37) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/083-sbt.php#009.083.037) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Bukhari (84:57) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/084-sbt.php#009.084.057) - "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Bukhari (89:271) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/089-sbt.php#009.089.271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari (84:58) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/084-sbt.php#009.084.058) - [I]"There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Bukhari (84:64-65) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/084-sbt.php#009.084.064) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

Abu Dawud (4346) (http://www.esinislam.com/Quran_And_Hadith/Sunan_Abu_Dawud_Hadith/Sunan_Abu_Dawud_Hadith_Book_38.htm) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).




Islamic Law:

There is also a consensus by all four schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (i.e., Maliki, Hanbali, Hanafi, and Shafii), as well as classical Shiite jurists, that apostates from Islam must be put to death. The process of declaring a person to be an apostate is known as takfir and the disbeliever is called a murtad.

Averroes (d. 1198), the renowned philosopher and scholar of the natural sciences, who was also an important Maliki jurist, provided this typical Muslim legal opinion on the punishment for apostasy: "An apostate...is to be executed by agreement in the case of a man, because of the words of the Prophet, 'Slay those who change their din [religion]'...Asking the apostate to repent was stipulated as a condition...prior to his execution."
The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: "Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.... When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory...to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."
The equivalent, gravely negative implications of the OIC's Sharia-based Cairo Declaration are most apparent in its transparent rejection of freedom of conscience in Article 10, which proclaims: "Islam is the religion of unspoiled nature. It is prohibited to exercise any form of compulsion on man or to exploit his poverty or ignorance in order to convert him to another religion, or to atheism." Ominously, articles 19 and 22 reiterate a principle stated elsewhere throughout the document, which clearly applies to the "punishment" of so-called "apostates" from Islam: "[19d] There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia.; [22a] Everyone shall have the right to express his opinion freely in such manner as would not be contrary to the principles of the Sharia.; [22b] Everyone shall have the right to advocate what is right, and propagate what is good, and warn against what is wrong and evil according to the norms of Islamic Sharia.; [22c] Information is a vital necessity to society. It may not be exploited or misused in such a way as may violate sanctities and the dignity of Prophets, undermine moral and ethical values or disintegrate, corrupt or harm society or weaken its faith."


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