Why do you post (3-5 reasons please)

[Robert A Whit]

I would love to find out who will discuss posting and why you post. I ask for a few reasons but you are not limited to this of course.

I shall go first

1. Get the mood of the country
2. Learn interesting things
3. find friendly people to swap ideas with
4. Converse about interesting things
5. Catch news I might miss otherwise

[tailfins]

1. To see how a randomly selected group of people would react to something
2. To rest my mind after a mentally taxing task (for mindless interaction)
3. To pass time
4. Just to annoy YOU


I'm too tired to do this now, but has anyone considered placing all their posts for one day all backwards like this: sdrawkcab = backwards ?

[Robert A Whit]

1. To see how a randomly selected group of people would react to something
2. To rest my mind after a mentally taxing task (for mindless interaction)
3. To pass time
4. Just to annoy YOU


I'm too tired to do this now, but has anyone considered placing all their posts for one day all backwards like this: sdrawkcab = backwards ?


ROFLMAO

If you post to annoy me, let me give you a tip.

Try much harder. :laugh:

No, not really, but you claim it is your purpose.

Nope, but you go ahead and take the time to post backwards.

[Marcus Aurelius]

1. to catch people like the OP in lies and expose them
2. to piss people like the OP off
3. see reason #1
4. see reason # 2
5. see reasons 3 & 4


Each of which is perfectly on topic.

[aboutime]

1. to catch people like the OP in lies and expose them
2. to piss people like the OP off
3. see reason #1
4. see reason # 2
5. see reasons 3 & 4


Each of which is perfectly on topic.


Marcus. There you are. Answering the questions for the OP, and the response you get seems destined for the CAGE again.
Which is why I didn't bother to respond.
How many times can someone DANGLE the obvious CARROT before he trips over his own BRAIN?

And, before I am accused of SOMETHING, or ANYTHING.
I AM ON TOPIC.

[Abbey Marie]

Do you primarily want to know why we post, or why we come here to this forum? To my mind, two different things.

[tailfins]

Do you primarily want to know why we post, or why we come here to this forum? To my mind, two different things.


Very interesting distinction: The reason for posting here would be vastly different than my posts to ChevyTalk, that is unless anyone here is interested in properly converting an X-Frame Chevrolet to correct power steering complete with a generator-mounted power steering pump.

I tried posting about hacking an X-Box 360, but there didn't appear to be any interest.

[aboutime]

Why do I post?

Perhaps You should tell us.

Then, nobody gets in trouble, and won't be accused since Nobody is Immune here.

[Robert A Whit]

Do you primarily want to know why we post, or why we come here to this forum? To my mind, two different things.

While I gave some of my reasons, I was mostly wondering why you post. As to the forum used, if you want to speak of that, don't let me stop you.

[hjmick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjNPH06A24g

[aboutime]

This used to be a major reason.
Before people started depending on Government for everything...like today.

http://youtu.be/jIfu2A0ezq0

[Dilloduck]

I post to pick up hot chicks.

[Missileman]

I post to pick up hot chicks.

How's that workin out for ya?

[jimnyc]

Marcus. There you are. Answering the questions for the OP, and the response you get seems destined for the CAGE again.
Which is why I didn't bother to respond.
How many times can someone DANGLE the obvious CARROT before he trips over his own BRAIN?

And, before I am accused of SOMETHING, or ANYTHING.
I AM ON TOPIC.

He has publicly stated he has you guys on ignore. Can't we just let it go? You're talking about things going to the cage already and he hasn't stated a single negative thing. How about you placing HIM on ignore as well? Just let it go already, take the same steps that he has and the issue is done and over with.

[Robert A Whit]

He has publicly stated he has you guys on ignore. Can't we just let it go? You're talking about things going to the cage already and he hasn't stated a single negative thing. How about you placing HIM on ignore as well? Just let it go already, take the same steps that he has and the issue is done and over with.

I see this


aboutime (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?2272-aboutime)
Jafar is watching...

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[Dilloduck]

How's that workin out for ya?
I don't kiss and tell :laugh2:

[tailfins]

1. to catch people like the OP in lies and expose them
2. to piss people like the OP off
3. see reason #1
4. see reason # 2
5. see reasons 3 & 4


Each of which is perfectly on topic.

If your mission is to "audit" other posters, then I know your Achilles's Heel. All I have to do is frequently post the first stupid thing that comes to mind while you go to all kinds of work verifying what I say. It takes very little effort on my part and keeps you on a treadmill.


I don't kiss and tell http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/smilies/laugh2.gif

I bet you don't have to worry about the tell part!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I post so that a truth may be read. A truth about how we are deceived so easily and so often by our enemies and by our own government.
God is truth and truth has never been defeated.--Tyr

[jimnyc]

Tailfins, just noticed under your name that you have been banned. What did you do wrong? :lol:

[Robert A Whit]

I post so that a truth may be read. A truth about how we are deceived so easily and so often by our enemies and by our own government.
God is truth and truth has never been defeated.--Tyr

That is a very good reason.

I know the source of my truth, what is your source?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That is a very good reason.

I know the source of my truth, what is your source?

Truth has only one source my friend.


http://www.delusionresistance.org/christian/namesofgod.html


THE NAMES OF GOD

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The Holy One of Israel has been given many names and titles. We in the English speaking lands tend to call Him by only a few, but there is a rich history of names that our Father has given Himself. I hope that seeing these various names will both enrich and bless you in His knowledge.

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You may notice that the name Jehovah is not seen here. The name Jehovah is a poor translation of the Hebrew word translated YHWH in English, which is the most holy name for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and of course Jesus, or Yeshua. The Hebrew Alefbet contains no letter "J" and proper names which we pronounce with a "J" really start with "Y" in the Old Covenant. For instance, Jerusalem is really Yerushalayim and Jesus is actually Yeshua. With that in mind, we now go to the list.

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ELOHIM AND VARIANTS OF THE NAME ELOHIM


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ELOHIM - literal meaning "God", referring to God's power and might. See - Genesis 1:1; Psalm 19:1

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ELOHAY KEDEM - literal meaning; God of the Beginning: Deuteronomy 33:27


ELOHAY TZ'VAOT - literal meaning; God Of Hosts, or God of Armies: 2 Samuel 5:10


ELOHAY MISHPAT - literal meaning; God Of Justice: Isaiah 30:18


ELOHAY SELICHOT - literal meaning; God Of Forgiveness: Nehemiah 9:17


ELOHAY MAROM - literal meaning; God Of Heights: Micah 6:6


ELOHAY MIKAROV - literal meaning; God Who Is Near: Jeremiah 23:23


ELOHAY CHASDI - literal meaning; God Of My Kindness: Psalm 59:11, 18


ELOHAY MAUZI - literal meaning; God Of My Strength: Psalm 43:2


ELOHAY TEHILATI - literal meaning; God Of My Praise: Psalm 109:1


ELOHAY YISHI - literal meaning; God Of My Salvation: Psalm 18:47, 25:5


ELOHAY ELOHIM - literal meaning; God Of Gods: Deuteronomy 10:17


ELOHAY TZUR - literal meaning; God Of Rock: 2 Samuel 22:47


ELOHAY KOL BASAR - literal meaning; God Of All Flesh: Jeremiah 32:27


ELOHAY HARUCHOT LEKOL BASAR - literal meaning; God Of The Spirits Of All Flesh: Numbers 16:22


ELOHIM KEDOSHIM - literal meaning; Holy God: Leviticus 19:2, Joshua 24:19


ELOHIM CHAIYIM - literal meaning; Living God: Jeremiah 10:10.




EL




EL, is another name that is translated as God. El is a simple form related to ELOHIM



EL HA-NE'EMAN - literal meaning; The Faithful God: Deuteronomy 7:9


EL HA-GADOL - literal meaning; The Great God: Deuteronomy 10:17


EL HA-KADOSH - literal meaning; The Holy God: Isaiah 5:16


EL YISRAEL - literal meaning; The God Of Israel: Psalm 68:36


EL HA-SHAMAYIM - literal meaning; The God Of The Heavens: Psalm 136:26


EL SALI - literal meaning; God Of My Rock: Psalm 42:10


EL SIMCHAT GILI - literal meaning; God The Joy Of My Exaltation: Psalm 43:4


EL RAH'EE - literal meaning; The God Who Sees: Genesis 16:13


EL HA-KAVOD - literal meaning; The God Of Glory: Psalm 29:3


EL DE'OT - literal meaning; The God Of Knowledge: 1 Samuel 2:3


EL OLAM- literal meaning; The God Of Eternity, or The God Of The Universe: Genesis 21:33


EL EMET- literal meaning; The God Of Truth: Psalm 31:6


EL EMUNAH - literal meaning; The Faithful God: Deuteronomy 32:4


EL YESHUATI - literal meaning; The God Of My Salvation: Isaiah 12:2


EL CHAIYAI - literal meaning; The God Of My Life: Psalm 42:9


EL ECHAD - literal meaning; The One God: Malachi 2:10


EL RACHUM - literal meaning; The God Of Compassion: Deuteronomy 4:31


EL CHANUN - literal meaning; The Gracious God: Jonah 4:2


EL KANA - literal meaning; The Jealous God: Deuteronomy 4:24


EL TZADIK - literal meaning; The Righteous God: Isaiah 45:21


EL SHADDAI - literal meaning; God The All Sufficient: Genesis 17:1


EL ELYON - literal meaning; The Most High God: Genesis 14:18


EL-ROI - literal meaning "The Strong One who sees" See Genesis 16:12


EL YESHURUN - literal meaning; The God of Yeshurun: Yeshurun means "righteous", and is another name for Israel. Deuteronomy 33:26


EL GIBOR - literal meaning; The Mighty God: Isaiah 9:6


IMMANU-EL - literal meaning; God Is With Us: Isaiah 7:14



ELAH



ELAH YERUSH'LEM - literal meaning; God of Jerusalem: Ezra 7:19


ELAH YISRAEL - literal meaning; God of Israel: Ezra 5:1


ELAH SH'MAYA - literal meaning; God of Heaven: Ezra 7:23


ELAH SH'MAYA V'ARAH - literal meaning; God of Heaven and Earth: Ezra 5:11



ELOAH
ELOAH - is the singular of Elohim. It is found 50 times in the Bible, and it also is translated as "God."




YAHWEH OR YHWH



YAHWEH - a reference to God's divine salvation.


YAHWEH-MACCADDESHEM - literal meaning "The Lord thy Sanctifier". See - Exodus 31:13


YAHWEH-ROHI - literal meaning "The Lord my Shepherd". See Psalm. 23:1


YAHWEH-SHAMMAH - literal meaning "The Lord who is present". See Ezekiel 48:35


YAHWEH ROFEHCHA - literal meaning "The Lord our healer". See Exodus 15:26


YAHWEH-TSIDKENU - literal meaning "The Lord our righteousness" See Jeremiah 23:6


YAHWEH-YIREH - literal meaning "The Lord will provide" See Genesis 22:13,14


YAHWEH-NISSI - literal meaning "The Lord our banner" See Exodus 17:15


YAHWEH-SHALOM - literal meaning "The Lord is peace" See Judges 6:24


YAHWEH SABBAOTH - literal meaning "The Lord of Hosts" See Isaiah 6:1-3


YAHWEH-HOSEENU - literal meaning "The Lord our Maker" See Psalm 95:6


YAHWEH-ELOHEKA - literal meaning "The Lord thy God" See Exodus 20:2,5


YAHWEH-ELOHAY - literal meaning "The Lord my God" See Zechariah 14:5


YAHWEH-ELOHENU - literal meaning "The Lord our God" See Psalm 99:5,8


YAHWEH ELOHIM - literal meaning; LORD God: Genesis 2:4



YAH



YAH - a shortened form of YHWH. Yah appears primarily in the book of Psalms. Psalm 122:3-4 says that "Jerusalem is built as a city that is compact together; to which the tribes of Yah (the LORD) go up." It is also found in the compound word "hallelu-Yah", which means "praise Yah (the LORD)."

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[Robert A Whit]

Tyr, now that you brought me up to date on your religious source, what is your source for politics?

Since this has evolved to talking of religion, and I do not mind, I presume you stick to republicans to vote for. Is that correct.

Were you ever a Democrat as I once was. In my defense, I did not know better and my party was picked by my parents due to how they voted.

My change took place not long after I discovered a book called A Time for Truth and learned that republicans can be good people. I am now learning republicans can be jerks, thus some of them cause my posts to end up in the Cage.

[tailfins]

Tailfins, just noticed under your name that you have been banned. What did you do wrong? :lol:

Collateral damage trying to hack the site.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr, now that you brought me up to date on your religious source, what is your source for politics?

Since this has evolved to talking of religion, and I do not mind, I presume you stick to republicans to vote for. Is that correct.

Were you ever a Democrat as I once was. In my defense, I did not know better and my party was picked by my parents due to how they voted.

My change took place not long after I discovered a book called A Time for Truth and learned that republicans can be good people. I am now learning republicans can be jerks, thus some of them cause my posts to end up in the Cage.

My source for my politics is history and a long and deep study of warfare. Of course I read current news on politics . Choosing was simple, I chose the lesser evil. As all governments use force and are inherently evil.-Tyr

[PostmodernProphet]

when I see something stupid I want to point and say "Look! There is something stupid"............

does it worry you that I am in your thread?.........

[Robert A Whit]

when I see something stupid I want to point and say "Look! There is something stupid"............

does it worry you that I am in your thread?.........

I understand that kicking dirt raises some dust.

All are welcome in other words.

[Trinity]

you don't really need to type backwards there is an app for that.... :)

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http://www.upsidedowntext.com/

[Drummond]

I would love to find out who will discuss posting and why you post. I ask for a few reasons but you are not limited to this of course.

I shall go first

1. Get the mood of the country
2. Learn interesting things
3. find friendly people to swap ideas with
4. Converse about interesting things
5. Catch news I might miss otherwise

Here's mine ...

1. I am a Conservative thinker, and want to advance my views
2. I want to neutralise, through force of argument, views lacking Conservative reputability.
3. I want to pit my views against opposing ones and show which better deserves to prevail.
4. I believe that the example of the UK acts, in a number of ways, as an early warning of what America will suffer if it doesn't embrace and stick to a Conservative path. Enemies look for ways to exploit and subvert. See Socialist excesses tried here and their results ... avoid them in the US !!
5. Sites such as this one offer contact with like-minded individuals. More so than in my part of the world. I like the company, and feel at home !

[aboutime]

Here's mine ...

1. I am a Conservative thinker, and want to advance my views
2. I want to neutralise, through force of argument, views lacking Conservative reputability.
3. I want to pit my views against opposing ones and show which better deserves to prevail.
4. I believe that the example of the UK acts, in a number of ways, as an early warning of what America will suffer if it doesn't embrace and stick to a Conservative path. Enemies look for ways to exploit and subvert. See Socialist excesses tried here and their results ... avoid them in the US !!
5. Sites such as this one offer contact with like-minded individuals. More so than in my part of the world. I like the company, and feel at home !


Sir Drummond. If I may, and if you don't mind. I like all five of your reasons, and would like to share them here.
This way. I stay out of trouble, make no waves, and won't need to face any form of retribution for my words.
May I?

[Robert A Whit]

Here's mine ...

1. I am a Conservative thinker, and want to advance my views
2. I want to neutralise, through force of argument, views lacking Conservative reputability.
3. I want to pit my views against opposing ones and show which better deserves to prevail.
4. I believe that the example of the UK acts, in a number of ways, as an early warning of what America will suffer if it doesn't embrace and stick to a Conservative path. Enemies look for ways to exploit and subvert. See Socialist excesses tried here and their results ... avoid them in the US !!
5. Sites such as this one offer contact with like-minded individuals. More so than in my part of the world. I like the company, and feel at home !

Great.

I tried to give you reputation but have to wait.

I also had the same problem with Tyr. Sorry guys.

[fj1200]

Here's mine ...

1. I am a Conservative thinker, and want to advance my views
2. I want to neutralise, through force of argument, views lacking Conservative reputability.
3. I want to pit my views against opposing ones and show which better deserves to prevail.
4. I believe that the example of the UK acts, in a number of ways, as an early warning of what America will suffer if it doesn't embrace and stick to a Conservative path. Enemies look for ways to exploit and subvert. See Socialist excesses tried here and their results ... avoid them in the US !!
5. Sites such as this one offer contact with like-minded individuals. More so than in my part of the world. I like the company, and feel at home !

Hmm, some similarities.

1. Advance small-government conservatism
2. Debate using logic and reason
3. Understand alternate views and prove the supremacy of small-government conservatism
4. Have fun, and
5. Win internet









:chucklestoself:

[revelarts]

1. to talk about important stuff with people who are interested in them.
not many people really want to talk about politics or religion in depth. i love too.

2. to stir the pot and try to get people off fences and have them stretch beyond the sound bite info and partisan info.

3."someone is wrong on the internet" (was it DMP or RSR that had that cartoon up, perfect thanks)

4. too promote the truth whatever ever it is, and promote the idea of folks doing the right thing regardless of group/ideological affiliations. Including some good old fashion Christian proselytizing.

5. to learn, be challenged by, debate over, the counter points to my own information and beliefs and still be able to treat people with respect. (doesn't always work out, my apologies.)



6. To try and really see what some people think, and how they think... or feel. And to learn from others experiences and POV.

[Abbey Marie]

1. to talk about important stuff with people who are interested in them.
not many people really want to talk about politics or religion in depth. i love too.

2. to stir the pot and try to get people off fences and have them stretch beyond the sound bite info and partisan info.

3."someone is wrong on the internet" (was it DMP or RSR that had that cartoon up, perfect thanks)

4. too promote the truth whatever ever it is, and promote the idea of folks doing the right thing regardless of group/ideological affiliations.

5. to learn, be challenged by, debate over, the counter points to my own information and beliefs and still be able to treat people with respect. (doesn't always work out, my apologies.)



6. To try and really see what some people think, and how they think... or feel. And to learn from others experiences and POV.

Reasons why I find you a real asset to the board. :salute:

[Robert A Whit]

Hmm, some similarities.

1. Advance small-government conservatism
2. Debate using logic and reason
3. Understand alternate views and prove the supremacy of small-government conservatism
4. Have fun, and
5. Win internet
:chucklestoself:

I wanted to toss this out to give everyone wanting to, the opportunity to self define why they post. I notice that your motives are what I expected yet others that allege they are conservatives wage war on you. I do not understand their motives.

I believe that like the playground teeter totter, things must have balance. The system the founders established had that balance.

Freedom must accrue first to the people and then the institution. If the institution becomes the more powerful, as it has, it can do as it wishes and freedom is removed. So long as socialists do it using the tactic of the thousand cuts, they feel they will cause us to lose freedom and the government then has most or all of it.

[Robert A Whit]

1. to talk about important stuff with people who are interested in them.
not many people really want to talk about politics or religion in depth. i love too.

2. to stir the pot and try to get people off fences and have them stretch beyond the sound bite info and partisan info.

3."someone is wrong on the internet" (was it DMP or RSR that had that cartoon up, perfect thanks)

4. too promote the truth whatever ever it is, and promote the idea of folks doing the right thing regardless of group/ideological affiliations. Including some good old fashion Christian proselytizing.

5. to learn, be challenged by, debate over, the counter points to my own information and beliefs and still be able to treat people with respect. (doesn't always work out, my apologies.)



6. To try and really see what some people think, and how they think... or feel. And to learn from others experiences and POV.

When you debate ...

Do you learn to the point you change your mind?

If you find you have believed, using untrue data, do you reverse your stand?

Can you explain a point you argued in favor of but later found you had been wrong and said you changed your mind?

Some call you a left winger. Do you believe you are or what do you say you are?

[aboutime]

Since when should any of us feel threatened about how we respond to the questions of the thread,
when REPUTATION is the ulterior motive for asking the questions?

Who decided the values of answering this thread, based on whether the Author would, or wouldn't offer Reputation????

[revelarts]

When you debate ...
Do you learn to the point you change your mind?
If you find you have believed, using untrue data, do you reverse your stand?
Can you explain a point you argued in favor of but later found you had been wrong and said you changed your mind?

Most of my major mind changing happened before i got to this board.
there have been points that i've altered since i've been here. And details that i have been corrected on. that i've admitted to. And a lot of details that i've been made aware of that i had not seen or reviewed before.

on the iraq war pre-invasion reports. i had not read in detail the info.. and lack thereof.. It was pointed out by Jim and others.
didn't change the facts i presented but let me see why they started where they did , IMO didn't justify them staying but...
Same subject the # of dems that were on board with the Attack program, inspite of the antiwar protesters.

Water boarding, water not going into the lungs ...most of the time. is another detail that i've been corrected on by Jim.

I've been correct a several times very willingly on battlefield tactics, I'm a long time observer and fan, but i'm not military and try not to pretend i know much about battlefield tactics.

I'm sure there's been more than that but that whats comes to mind.

O-Yeah I consider that Bigfoot might, just might, may be real ..now that someone on the board says they think they may have come across one.



Some call you a left winger. Do you believe you are or what do you say you are?

I haven't been a left winger since 1983. The idea is obviously crazy bs talk used just to get a rise or try to dismiss uncomfortable facts or just to try to label something they don't like.
The constition party is the closest thing to my political views party wise. if that's liberal i'll take the label.
http://www.americanconstitutionparty.com/PlatformDetail.html

[jimnyc]

I would love to find out who will discuss posting and why you post. I ask for a few reasons but you are not limited to this of course.

I shall go first

1. Get the mood of the country
2. Learn interesting things
3. find friendly people to swap ideas with
4. Converse about interesting things
5. Catch news I might miss otherwise

1. I love debating. It's fun to throw out opinions/facts and become the last man/woman standing! :)
2. To learn from others. I read as much as possible, even in disagreement, as the more I learn the better I am for it.
3. To make friends. I know you all won't be at my next birthday party, but so long as I am going to spend a lot of time online, it's nice to have friendly folks to get to know and share our personal lives with.
4. This place is like "Cheers". And as much as we suck at times, and as much as we fight, it IS the place we call home and we all know each others names. :)
5. I know it's a long shot, but the day will come that a nice gal shows me her boobies. I was always taught to never lose sight of your dreams and never stop working towards them. :)

[Robert A Whit]

1. I love debating. It's fun to throw out opinions/facts and become the last man/woman standing! :)
2. To learn from others. I read as much as possible, even in disagreement, as the more I learn the better I am for it.
3. To make friends. I know you all won't be at my next birthday party, but so long as I am going to spend a lot of time online, it's nice to have friendly folks to get to know and share our personal lives with.
4. This place is like "Cheers". And as much as we suck at times, and as much as we fight, it IS the place we call home and we all know each others names. :)
5. I know it's a long shot, but the day will come that a nice gal shows me her boobies. I was always taught to never lose sight of your dreams and never stop working towards them. :)

When I am not posting, I am studying. I have studied intently since perhaps 1978.

What about prior to 1978?

Loved science and math so I studied a lot of that. I still do to this day. I try to brush up on calculus for some odd reason but I feel obliged to try to keep it in mind. I drift off and on about science since it requires a huge investment in time just to try to keep up in narrow parts of science. I have enjoyed the science posted on boards of various stripes and credit posters with speaking of more science. I am reminded by those posts I don't really keep up much with science. Some of what I learned in Physics courses including into college stand me in good stead today. Nobody has to explain Bernoulli to me in other words or Sir Issac Newton.

I find this crowd different than what I ran into on AOL. Their forums of democrats would blast me to death. I knew what to do to handle those. But on this forum, some so called conservatives feel obliged to go hard ass and cause problems.

In my post era, I have debated scientists and real experts on politics.

Let me mention one issue.

Humans.

Are terrorists humans?

Well, the dog that bites is not deleted from the dog species.

We have one or two posters that believe that once you commit terrorist acts, you no longer are humans.

Humans have a long history of being very violent. I would agree that terrorists are not humanitarians, but the fact they are still the human animal, nature deems them humans.

Take the soldier. He grows up going to church, perhaps, and is taught ... thou shall not kill. HE is informed by the media, etc., that to kill means punishment. Death or jail is the punishment.

Then he goes into combat and is told to kill. He is still a human.

Terrorists kill. But that is not enough to brand them not humans.

[tailfins]

When you debate ...

Do you learn to the point you change your mind?

If you find you have believed, using untrue data, do you reverse your stand?

Can you explain a point you argued in favor of but later found you had been wrong and said you changed your mind?

Some call you a left winger. Do you believe you are or what do you say you are?

I'm more here to visit than debate. Someone can be a raving Communist as long as they are good company for all I care. I'm someone that sees conservative ideology as what adds up the best, but can see where some liberal measures can temporarily be helpful when the economy falls apart. Some liberal policies help counterbalance law enforcement and zealous prosecutors. The best short term way to beat a liberal is to use their own rules against them.

I'm just trying to function in a rough society and mostly succeeding.

[Robert A Whit]

I'm more here to visit than debate. Someone can be a raving Communist as long as they are good company for all I care. I'm someone that sees conservative ideology as what adds up the best, but can see where some liberal measures can be temporarily be helpful when the economy falls apart. Some liberal policies help counterbalance law enforcement and zealous prosecutors.

I'm just trying to function in a rough society and mostly succeeding.

That motive makes a huge difference imo.

I long ago got the idea that ideas mattered and if one could persuade, one owed the community the persuasion some can offer. This means to not abuse posters. Abused posters do not listen.

I ask so called Liberals what they mean by that word. I recall that republicans wore it to politics events for a long time. They did not change, yet they are not called liberals.

Actually, by being for minimum government, that is the most liberal one can be and i fit that description. Take my arguments over homosexuals marrying.

I really would not mind they using the word provided the same word can be used by anybody wanting to marry each other. If a man can handle and support 4 women, who am i to deny him that ability by law?

I know of a woman in CA that gave away her infant son and he later as an adult traced her and found her. They agreed to meet.

I suppose he looked a lot like his father and I am guessing here, but it is possible his looks kindled something in her and they had sex. She was in her early 40s and he in his almost mid twenties.

They lived together and had two kids. CA arrested both.

Homosexuals never went to bat for them.

I think they are wrong.

It is not my business what he and she did nor do I have a compelling interest in those two kids they had as lovers.

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. If I may, and if you don't mind. I like all five of your reasons, and would like to share them here.
This way. I stay out of trouble, make no waves, and won't need to face any form of retribution for my words.
May I?

Be my guest ! I'm honoured, sir !

[Robert A Whit]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by aboutime http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=635832#post635832)
Sir Drummond. If I may, and if you don't mind. I like all five of your reasons, and would like to share them here.
This way. I stay out of trouble, make no waves, and won't need to face any form of retribution for my words.
May I?





Be my guest ! I'm honoured, sir !

Stay out of trouble? Retribution?

Sheesh. I too like your reasons Drummond and I like almost every posters reasons. One or two seem silly but heck, i add them to the list I like too. I like them all.

[Drummond]

When I am not posting, I am studying. I have studied intently since perhaps 1978.

What about prior to 1978?

Loved science and math so I studied a lot of that. I still do to this day. I try to brush up on calculus for some odd reason but I feel obliged to try to keep it in mind. I drift off and on about science since it requires a huge investment in time just to try to keep up in narrow parts of science. I have enjoyed the science posted on boards of various stripes and credit posters with speaking of more science. I am reminded by those posts I don't really keep up much with science. Some of what I learned in Physics courses including into college stand me in good stead today. Nobody has to explain Bernoulli to me in other words or Sir Issac Newton.

I find this crowd different than what I ran into on AOL. Their forums of democrats would blast me to death. I knew what to do to handle those. But on this forum, some so called conservatives feel obliged to go hard ass and cause problems.

In my post era, I have debated scientists and real experts on politics.

Let me mention one issue.

Humans.

Are terrorists humans?

Well, the dog that bites is not deleted from the dog species.

We have one or two posters that believe that once you commit terrorist acts, you no longer are humans.

Humans have a long history of being very violent. I would agree that terrorists are not humanitarians, but the fact they are still the human animal, nature deems them humans.

Take the soldier. He grows up going to church, perhaps, and is taught ... thou shall not kill. HE is informed by the media, etc., that to kill means punishment. Death or jail is the punishment.

Then he goes into combat and is told to kill. He is still a human.

Terrorists kill. But that is not enough to brand them not humans.

I'll debate this if you like, Robert.

Dogs that catch rabies are acting under the influence of the disease. What control do they have of their own actions ? They don't cease to be dogs because of a disease that overrides what they'd normally be.

A soldier - acts under orders. He does so in the service of his country, and in doing so, acts to benefit it. He has the same mental processes he always had, the same capacity for humanity as before. However, he obeys orders. He does his duty. And does not have the freedom to disobey those orders .. unless he wants to be court-martialled, that is.

Yes, the soldier had the choice whether or not to be one (unless conscripted ..). But once trained and deployed, he does what his orders require.

A terrorist, however, has choice throughout. He doesn't obey service to country. He isn't defending said country. He bombs and kills innocents out of choice, he murders innocent people. He is an aggressor, not a defender. He exults in what he does.

Do your soldiers strap bombs on to children, Robert ?

Do they take joy in murdering innocent human beings ? Do they go out of their way to kill or maim with maximum brutality, e.g do they indulge in beheadings ?

From this, I ask: do your soldiers possess a humanity which is missing from terrorist savages ?

See what I mean, Robert ?

[aboutime]

This is dedicated to the Author of this thread....4937 and you will go farther.....

[Robert A Whit]

I'll debate this if you like, Robert.

Dogs that catch rabies are acting under the influence of the disease. What control do they have of their own actions ? They don't cease to be dogs because of a disease that overrides what they'd normally be.

A soldier - acts under orders. He does so in the service of his country, and in doing so, acts to benefit it. He has the same mental processes he always had, the same capacity for humanity as before. However, he obeys orders. He does his duty. And does not have the freedom to disobey those orders .. unless he wants to be court-martialled, that is.

Yes, the soldier had the choice whether or not to be one (unless conscripted ..). But once trained and deployed, he does what his orders require.

A terrorist, however, has choice throughout. He doesn't obey service to country. He isn't defending said country. He bombs and kills innocents out of choice, he murders innocent people. He is an aggressor, not a defender. He exults in what he does.

Do your soldiers strap bombs on to children, Robert ?

Do they take joy in murdering innocent human beings ? Do they go out of their way to kill or maim with maximum brutality, e.g do they indulge in beheadings ?

From this, I ask: do your soldiers possess a humanity which is missing from terrorist savages ?

See what I mean, Robert ?

Can we agree to break this down into two issues?

Issue one. Are terrorists humans or something else.

I argue that they are still humans. Oh, to those attacked, they are bastards and worse to be sure.

But the human is simply the way men describe the critter with two legs and two hands and makes up laws and wages wars.

Issue two. Are terrorists humanitarians or not?

We might accept your premise soldiers simply follow orders but soldiers have killed millions of humans. While they do follow orders, the dead can't take up their own cause to mitigate their own death, thus humans must do this for them.

If the solder refuses to kill in combat, he may be subject to being killed by his own government, thus he kills to survive and also kills to keep from being killed by his own government I don't see that as less than coercion.

Of course his own government defends his killing, no matter the harm to perfectly innocent people. I mean that which is called collateral damage. When the Allies bombed Dresden, a lot of innocents died in those blasts and fires. Not all Germans backed the government Even in England, during the war, not all Brits backed their government and not all Americans backed FDR.

I know of no reason to call terrorists humanitarians but can't go so far as to claim they are no longer humans. A lot of dogs will kill humans and yet not suffer diseases such as rabies. I suggest you do not enter a room that has one or more Presa Canario dogs.

I believe what you are trying to convey is that terrorists don't strike you as humans but you are speaking of acts and not a species of animal. The species does not change due to acts.

[Drummond]

Can we agree to break this down into two issues?

Issue one. Are terrorists humans or something else.

I argue that they are still humans. Oh, to those attacked, they are bastards and worse to be sure.

But the human is simply the way men describe the critter with two legs and two hands and makes up laws and wages wars.

Issue two. Are terrorists humanitarians or not?

We might accept your premise soldiers simply follow orders but soldiers have killed millions of humans. While they do follow orders, the dead can't take up their own cause to mitigate their own death, thus humans must do this for them.

If the solder refuses to kill in combat, he may be subject to being killed by his own government, thus he kills to survive and also kills to keep from being killed by his own government I don't see that as less than coercion.

Of course his own government defends his killing, no matter the harm to perfectly innocent people. I mean that which is called collateral damage. When the Allies bombed Dresden, a lot of innocents died in those blasts and fires. Not all Germans backed the government Even in England, during the war, not all Brits backed their government and not all Americans backed FDR.

I know of no reason to call terrorists humanitarians but can't go so far as to claim they are no longer humans. A lot of dogs will kill humans and yet not suffer diseases such as rabies. I suggest you do not enter a room that has one or more Presa Canario dogs.

I believe what you are trying to convey is that terrorists don't strike you as humans but you are speaking of acts and not a species of animal. The species does not change due to acts.

Robert, do American soldiers set out to kill the innocent ? My understanding is that they do NOT.

Terrorists, by total contrast, specialise in killing the innocent, and in exulting in it afterwards.

Innocent people do get caught up in wars, they do die ... you use the term 'collateral damage'. The terrorist subhuman, however would say 'A job well done', and probably celebrate.

You say that not all the people back their Governments. Indeed, many were against Churchill. But Churchill was proved right. Hitler HAD to be opposed, HAD to be fought against. You mention Dresden. I take your point, but I would also say that the Allies had, at that time, the task of breaking German morale. As nasty as that was, necessity was involved.

Terrorists, however, don't do what's necessary. They do what they choose to do. And they enjoy it !

If the term 'subhuman' cannot be applied to terrorists, Robert, who CAN it be applied to ?

And tell me of the 'humanity' of turning children into walking bombs ...

[tailfins]

Can we agree to break this down into two issues?

Issue one. Are terrorists humans or something else.

I argue that they are still humans. Oh, to those attacked, they are bastards and worse to be sure.

But the human is simply the way men describe the critter with two legs and two hands and makes up laws and wages wars.

Issue two. Are terrorists humanitarians or not?

We might accept your premise soldiers simply follow orders but soldiers have killed millions of humans. While they do follow orders, the dead can't take up their own cause to mitigate their own death, thus humans must do this for them.

If the solder refuses to kill in combat, he may be subject to being killed by his own government, thus he kills to survive and also kills to keep from being killed by his own government I don't see that as less than coercion.

Of course his own government defends his killing, no matter the harm to perfectly innocent people. I mean that which is called collateral damage. When the Allies bombed Dresden, a lot of innocents died in those blasts and fires. Not all Germans backed the government Even in England, during the war, not all Brits backed their government and not all Americans backed FDR.

I know of no reason to call terrorists humanitarians but can't go so far as to claim they are no longer humans. A lot of dogs will kill humans and yet not suffer diseases such as rabies. I suggest you do not enter a room that has one or more Presa Canario dogs.

I believe what you are trying to convey is that terrorists don't strike you as humans but you are speaking of acts and not a species of animal. The species does not change due to acts.

When I was in Havana, I asked some members of the Comite de la Defesa da la Revolucion (CDR), "What about Guevara's firing squads?" There answer was it's unfortunate, but things like that happen during a war and asked how many non-Americans have died in US wars? If I give them credit for nothing else, they are slick.

[Robert A Whit]

When I was in Havana, I asked some members of the Comite de la Defesa da la Revolucion (CDR), "What about Guevara's firing squads?" There answer was it's unfortunate, but things like that happen during a war and asked how many non-Americans have died in US wars? If I give them credit for nothing else, they are slick.

That works until you or one of them is the target. Then of course you will say most anything to evade the bullets.

See, when I was in the Army, even though I was not at war with the Soviets, they were my enemy. Every training move I was involved with was to defeat the Soviet empire.

My unit could shoot them. We could use our tanks and run over them. We could call the Hawk missiles at the base to down their aircraft. We even had an atomic cannon for a time. We had jeeps with nukes on them. Yup, the size one might think of as a suitcase bomb.

Some of us speculated on minutes of survival in an all out attack by the Soviets.