Americans as Likely 2 Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism

[revelarts]

Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism

Terrorist attacks killed 17 U.S. civilians last year and 15 the year before.


Today, the National Counter Terrorism Center (NCTC) released its 2011 Report on Terrorism (http://www.nctc.gov/docs/2011_NCTC_Annual_Report_Final.pdf). The report offers the U.S. government's best statistical analysis of terrorism trends through its Worldwide Incidents Tracking System (WITS (http://wits.nctc.gov/)), which compiles and vets open-source information about terrorism--defined by U.S. law (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2656f) as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents."
Although I invite you to read the entire thirty-one page report, there are a few points worth highlighting that notably contrast with the conventional narrative of the terrorist threat:


"The total number of worldwide attacks in 2011, however, dropped by almost 12 percent from 2010 and nearly 29 percent from 2007." (9)
"Attacks by AQ and its affiliates increased by 8 percent from 2010 to 2011. A significant increase in attacks by al-Shabaab, from 401 in 2010 to 544 in 2011, offset a sharp decline in attacks by al-Qa'ida in Iraq (AQI) and a smaller decline in attacks by al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) and al-Qa'ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)." (11)
"In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 percent of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years." (14)
Of 978 terrorism-related kidnapping last year, only three hostages were private U.S. citizens, or .003 percent. A private citizen is defined as 'any U.S. citizen not acting in an official capacity on behalf of the U.S. government.' (13, 17)
Of the 13,288 people killed by terrorist attacks last year, seventeen were private U.S. citizens, or .001 percent. (17)

According to the report, the number of U.S. citizens who died in terrorist attacks increased by two between 2010 and 2011; overall, a comparable number (http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2012/02/24/america-is-a-safe-place/) of Americans are crushed to death by their televisions or furniture each year. This is not to diminish the real--albeit shrinking--threat of terrorism, or to minimize the loss and suffering of the 13,000 killed and over 45,000 injured around the world. For Americans, however, it should emphasize that an irrational fear (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137279/micah-zenko-and-michael-a-cohen/clear-and-present-safety) of terrorism is both unwarranted and a poor basis for public policy decisions.
This article originally appeared at CFR.org (http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2012/06/05/how-many-americans-are-killed-by-terrorism/?cid=oth_partner_site-atlantic), an Atlantic partner site.




http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/americans-are-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-their-own-furniture-as-by-terrorism/258156/

[jafar00]

A good report to counter hysteria after the Boston bombing. It's similar to the old adage, you are more likely to be hit by a bus crossing the road than die in a plane crash.

To also put things into perspective...

Recently, bombs across Iraq have killed 50 and injured 100s (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-15/bomb-attacks-across-iraq-kill-202c-injure-200/4630608). Not to take anything away from the tragedy of Boston, but compared to this the Boston bombing was small and insignificant, yet the world stopped for Boston, but doesn't bat an eyelid for the horrors that unfold in Iraq and Afghanistan on a daily basis.

Americans, you are safer than you realise and you should never take it for granted.

[revelarts]

A good report to counter hysteria after the Boston bombing. It's similar to the old adage, you are more likely to be hit by a bus crossing the road than die in a plane crash.

To also put things into perspective...

Recently, bombs across Iraq have killed 50 and injured 100s (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-15/bomb-attacks-across-iraq-kill-202c-injure-200/4630608). Not to take anything away from the tragedy of Boston, but compared to this the Boston bombing was small and insignificant, yet the world stopped for Boston, but doesn't bat an eyelid for the horrors that unfold in Iraq and Afghanistan on a daily basis.

Americans, you are safer than you realise and you should never take it for granted.
I don't like the chouce of words "insignificant".
Yes, it's a much smaller number than what happened in Iraq.
I heard about the 50 killed in Iraq.

A wave of attacks across Iraq, including a brazen car bombing on the way to Baghdad airport, have killed 50 people and injured hundreds more, just days before the country's first elections since US troops withdrew.
The violence, which mostly struck during morning rush hour amid tightened security ahead of the polls, raises further questions about the credibility of the April 20 vote, seen as a key test of Iraq's stability and its security forces' capabilities.
Officials said more than 30 bombings and a shooting hit 12 different areas of Iraq, leaving 50 people dead and nearly 300 injured, making Monday the country's deadliest day since March 19.
No group immediately claimed responsibility for the attacks, but Sunni militants linked to Al Qaeda frequently attack both government targets and civilians in a bid to destabilise the country.
They have also reportedly sought to intimidate candidates and election officials ahead of polling.
The deadliest attacks were in Baghdad, where eight bombings struck in seven neighbourhoods across the capital despite tougher checkpoint searches and heightened security.
Among them was a car bomb in a parking area used by vehicles making their way to Baghdad's heavily guarded airport, a rare bombing on the road famously known as "Route Irish".
The airport road was once referred to by American forces as "RPG alley" for the high numbers of attacks there, but it has since become far more secure.



here's where i fault the media as well
in the Boston bombing we got a LOT of pictures.
In these wars overseas there hardly EVER show ANY pictures of blood or injured people on the scence. Heck the Gov't Banded pictures of soldiers coffins i believe.
you have to go to foriegn press and ALT sites to get news and pics of attacks and those killed in other countries.

[revelarts]

<hgroup> How Scared of Terrorism Should You Be?

Not very. You are four times more likely to be killed by a lightning bolt than by a terror attack.

</hgroup> Ronald Bailey (http://reason.com/people/ronald-bailey/all) | September 6, 2011



How many Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks inside the United States since the September 11, 2001, atrocities? Arguably 16. Egyptian Hesham Mohamed Hadayet killed two Israelis (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/04/12/airport.shooting/) at the El Al ticket counter at the Los Angeles airport on July 4, 2002. On June 1, 2009, Abdulhakim Muhammed killed one soldier (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29/abdulhakim-muhammad-arkansas-soldier-shooter-fbi_n_913143.html) at a recruiting center in Little Rock, Arkansas, and Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan killed 13 soldiers (http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2011-07-06-fort-hood-shooter-trial_n.htm) during a shooting rampage in at Fort Hood, Texas in November 2009.
Checking the Global Terrorism Database (http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?chart=country&casualties_type=f&casualties_max=&start_yearonly=1970&end_yearonly=2010&dtp2=all&country=217), one finds that an additional 14 Americans were killed in broadly defined domestic terrorism incidents since September 2001. Five died from anthrax attacks (2001); two died in an attack on a Knoxville church (2008); two are suspected to have been killed by members of the Minutemen American Defense group in Arizona (2009); an abortion provider was killed in Wichita, Kansas (2009); a guard was stabbed to death at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., (2009); two died in Austin when a man crashed his light plane into a government building over a dispute with the IRS (2009); and a neo-Malthusian terrorist was shot by police during a hostage incident at the Discovery Channel in Silver Spring, Maryland (2009). That adds up to a grand total of 30 Americans killed in terrorist incidents inside the United States in the last 10 years.
In addition, the National Counterterrorism Center (http://www.nctc.gov/) has been compiling worldwide deaths of private U.S. citizens due to terrorism since 2005. Terrorism is defined as “premeditated, politically motivated violence, perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.”
In 2010 (the latest report), 15 Americans were killed in terrorist attacks; nine died in 2009; 33 in 2008; 17 in 2007; 28 in 2006; and 56 in 2005. The vast majority of private U.S. citizens killed in terrorist attacks died in the war zone countries of Iraq and Afghanistan. So the sad tally of Americans killed by terrorists around the world since 2005 comes to a total of 158, yielding an annual rate 16 Americans killed by terrorists outside of the borders of the United States.
Taking these figures into account, a rough calculation suggests that in the last five years, your chances of being killed by a terrorist are about one in 20 million. This compares annual risk of dying (http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm) in a car accident of 1 in 19,000; drowning in a bathtub at 1 in 800,000; dying in a building fire at 1 in 99,000; or being struck by lightning at 1 in 5,500,000. In other words, in the last five years you were four times more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist.
The National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START) has just published, Background Report: 9/11, Ten Years Later (http://www.start.umd.edu/start/announcements/BackgroundReport_10YearsSince9_11.pdf) [PDF]. The report notes, excluding the 9/11 atrocities, that fewer than 500 people died in the U.S. from terrorist attacks between 1970 and 2010. The report adds, “From 1991-2000, the United States averaged 41.3 terrorist attacks per year. After 2001, the average number of U.S. attacks decreased to 16 per year from 2002-2010.”

Of course, the police and politicians will cite the lack of deaths from terrorism as evidence that their protective measures are working. Earlier this year, the conservative Heritage Foundation compiled a list of 39 terror plots (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/05/39-terror-plots-foiled-since-911-examining-counterterrorisms-success-stories) that had been foiled since September 2001. Going through the list, about 23 of the plots might plausibly have resulted in terror attacks of one sort or another. Several were aimed at subways, military bases, and shopping malls. To get a feel for the number of people that might be killed in typical terrorist attacks, consider that four subway bombs killed 52 people in London in 2005; the deadliest attack on a military base killed 13; and blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, killed 187 people in 1995.
Making the huge assumption that all 23 plausible plots would have succeeded in killing an average of 100 Americans each, that means that 2,300 would have died in the last 10 years, or about 230 per year. (This implies a rate that is 10 times higher than the rate between 1970 and 2010, excluding the 9/11 attacks, by the way.) Even at this higher rate, your chances of dying in a terrorist attack would be about 1 in 1.7 million.
Ohio State University political scientist John Mueller and Mark Stewart, an engineering professor at University of Newcastle in Australia recently estimated that the U.S. has spent $1 trillion (http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00512) on anti-terrorism security measures since 2001 (this figure does not include the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan). Assuming that 2,300 Americans might have been killed by terrorists inside the United States, this implies a cost of more that $400 million dollars per life saved. Typically when evaluating the costs of protective regulations, federal government agencies set the value of a life at about $9 million (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/business/economy/17regulation.html?pagewanted=all).
However, terrorism is especially frightening (that’s why they call it “terrorism”), so the average citizen might want to spend double the usual amount to prevent a death. But still suggests that on a reasonable benefit-cost basis public and private spending is 20 times too much to prevent deaths from terrorist attacks. Now let’s retrospectively add the tragic 3,000 deaths from the 9/11 attacks to take into account the remote possibility that terrorists might be able to pull off another similarly spectacular assault; that still means that nearly $200 million is being spent per plausible life saved.
A good bit of the trillion dollars has supported measures that threaten our liberties by beefing up the national security state. Since 2001, we all get to enjoy airport security theater (http://reason.org/news/show/airport-security-vs-the-constitutio); we must carry proper “papers” in order to gain admission to federal buildings; and federal minions have felt free to wiretap (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/us/01nsa.html) without warrants.

On this 10th anniversary, we will certainly remember those who died so tragically. But we should also recognize that terrorism is a hollow threat to which we should not surrender one iota of our liberties.



http://reason.com/archives/2011/09/06/how-scared-of-terrorism-should

[Marcus Aurelius]

A good report to counter hysteria after the Boston bombing. It's similar to the old adage, you are more likely to be hit by a bus crossing the road than die in a plane crash.

To also put things into perspective...

Recently, bombs across Iraq have killed 50 and injured 100s (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-15/bomb-attacks-across-iraq-kill-202c-injure-200/4630608). Not to take anything away from the tragedy of Boston, but compared to this the Boston bombing was small and insignificant, yet the world stopped for Boston, but doesn't bat an eyelid for the horrors that unfold in Iraq and Afghanistan on a daily basis.

Americans, you are safer than you realise and you should never take it for granted.

no bombing is small and insignificant, you pedophile worshiping nutbag.

[aboutime]

no bombing is small and insignificant, you pedophile worshiping nutbag.


Sounds to me as if Rev, and jafar have come up with the Justification-Excuses they need to condone the SMALL number of deaths by terrorism.
In other words. Rather than offend, insult, or anger members of Islam, or the Muslim community. IT'S ALRIGHT if some die from the hands of terrorists...considering the huge number of people on Earth..."SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?"

Not surprised at jafar's hatred. But seeing how Rev responded to this, and thanked jafar. Tells us all we really need to know about TWO FALSE PROPHETS who claim to be members of the Religion of Peace.

[revelarts]

Sounds to me as if Rev, and jafar have come up with the Justification-Excuses they need to condone the SMALL number of deaths by terrorism.
In other words. Rather than offend, insult, or anger members of Islam, or the Muslim community. IT'S ALRIGHT if some die from the hands of terrorists...considering the huge number of people on Earth..."SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?"

Not surprised at jafar's hatred. But seeing how Rev responded to this, and thanked jafar. Tells us all we really need to know about TWO FALSE PROPHETS who claim to be members of the Religion of Peace.

I've thanked you a time or too as well, what does that tell you?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism

Terrorist attacks killed 17 U.S. civilians last year and 15 the year before.




http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/americans-are-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-their-own-furniture-as-by-terrorism/258156/

Lets not forget they murdered over 3,000 innocent people on 911.

Lets not forget that their goal is to convert , murder or enslave every human on earth! This can not be noted too much.
It is not irrational to fear a hungry tiger. Its not irrational to fear a known entity that is dedicated to ones destruction!

We should be studying and discussing the murder and slavery in the places that they have taken over. -Tyr

[revelarts]

never said there was no danger. just that it's not as all cosumingly bad as it's made out to be.


<time class="date-property-single" content="2012-08-10 19:12:00">August 10, 2012 3:12PM</time>
You’re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist

By Jim Harper (http://www.cato.org/people/jim-harper)



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It got a lot of attention this morning when I tweeted (https://twitter.com/Jim_Harper/status/233951581001875457), “You’re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist.” It’s been quickly retweeted dozens of times, indicating that the idea is interesting to many people. So let’s discuss it in more than 140 characters.
In case it needs saying: Police officers are unlike terrorists in almost all respects. Crucially, the goal of the former, in their vastest majority, is to have a stable, peaceful, safe, law-abiding society, which is a goal we all share. The goal of the latter is … well, it’s complicated. I’ve cited my favorite expert on that, Audrey Kurth Cronin, here (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-third-strategic-actor/) and here (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/terrorism-and-security-systems/) and here (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/reactions-to-al-qaeda-terrorism-have-opened-a-flank/). Needless to say, the goal of terrorists is not that peaceful, safe, stable society.
I picked up the statistic from a blog post called: “Fear of Terror Makes People Stupid (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/fear-of-terror-makes-people-stupid.html),” which in turn cites the National Safety Council for this and lots of other numbers reflecting likelihoods of dying from various causes. So dispute the number(s) with them, if you care to.
I take it as a given that your mileage may vary. If you dwell in the suburbs or a rural area, and especially if you’re wealthy, white, and well-spoken, your likelihood of death from these two sources probably converges somewhat (at very close to zero).
The point of the quote is to focus people on sources of mortality society-wide, because this focus can guide public policy efforts at reducing death. (Thus, the number is not a product of the base rate fallacy.) In my opinion, too many people are still transfixed by terrorism despite the collapse of Al Qaeda over the last decade and the quite manageable—indeed, the quite well-managed—danger that terrorism presents our society today.
If you want to indulge your fears and prioritize terrorism, you’ll have plenty of help (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/terrorism-hysteria-watch/), and neither this blog post nor any other appeal to reason or statistics is likely to convince you. Among the John Mueller articles I would recommend, though, is “Witches, Communists, and Terrorists: Evaluating the Risks and Tallying the Costs (http://polisci.osu.edu/faculty/jmueller/ABAFIN.PDF)” (with Mark Stewart).
If one wants to be clinical about what things reduce death to Americans, one should ask why police officers are such a significant source of danger. I have some ideas.
Cato’s work on the War on Drugs (http://www.cato.org/drug-war) shows how it produces danger to the public and law enforcement both, not to mention loss of privacy and civil liberties, disrespect for law enforcement, disregard of the rule of law, and so on. Is the sum total of mortality and morbidity reduced or increased by the War on Drugs? I don’t know to say. But the War on Drugs certainly increases the danger to innocent people (including law enforcement personnel), where drug legalization would allow harm to naturally concentrate on the people who choose unwisely to use drugs.
The militarization of law enforcement (http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america) probably contributes to the danger. Cato’s Botched Paramilitary Police Raids map (http://www.cato.org/raidmap/) illustrates the problem of over-aggressive policing. Cato alum Radley Balko (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/) now documents these issues at the Huffington Post. Try out his “Cop or Soldier?” quiz (http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/16/take-the-quiz/).

There are some bad apples in the police officer barrel. Given the power that law enforcement personnel have—up to and including the power to kill—I’m not satisfied that standards of professionalism are up to snuff. You can follow the Cato Institute’s National Police Misconduct Reporting Project (http://www.policemisconduct.net/) on Twitter at @NPMRP (http://twitter.com/NPMRP).
If the provocative statistic cited above got your attention, that’s good. If it adds a little more to your efforts at producing a safe, stable, peaceful, and free society, all the better.

[jimnyc]

Way to diminish the memories of those who just lost their lives. Terrorism is happening DAILY all around the world, but 2 people trying to make a point will try to make it sound as if it's no big deal. Not surprisingly, one is anti-anything and the other is an excuse maker for everything Islam, where coincidentally Muslims commit 98% of the terror attacks.

[revelarts]

Way to diminish the memories of those who just lost their lives. Terrorism is happening DAILY all around the world, but 2 people trying to make a point will try to make it sound as if it's no big deal. Not surprisingly, one is anti-anything and the other is an excuse maker for everything Islam, where coincidentally Muslims commit 98% of the terror attacks.

when something has been blown out of all portions to it's threat, people should bring it down to reality.
Even if it makes gov't worshipers uncomfortable.

[jimnyc]

when something has been blown out of all portions to it's threat, people should bring it down to reality.
Even if it makes gov't worshipers uncomfortable.

I just find it odd that America gets hit with terrorist attacks - and certain people show no interest whatsoever in the condition of these people or how we combat terrorism going forward - as they are more interested in anti-government agendas and the perceived rights of those who committed the attacks.

[jimnyc]

For all of the retarded analogies, and stupid furniture comparisons - how did those do in preventing 4 deaths? How much did they help 20-30 people losing limbs? Did it do ANYTHING to prevent them? Trying to diminish how often terror attacks occur, a few days after a terror attack, is silly and stupid.

[jimnyc]

Hey, Rev, how often do people get hit with nuclear attacks compared to furniture deaths? Pretty rare, right? You should write your senator, I think worrying about countries with nukes is a waste of time, based on your figures. :laugh:

[revelarts]

I just find it odd that America gets hit with terrorist attacks - and certain people show no interest whatsoever in the condition of these people or how we combat terrorism going forward - I've posted my suggestions on stopping terrorism. And in this very thread i've rebuffed Jafar on his "insignificant" losses comment. to name one place, but what level of concern are you expecting. i don't see any threads about the condition of the victims by anyone. though i assume we all wish the survivors and families well. At least I assume everyone is concerned. But people seem to want to question others empathy if they don't agree with the political hype and faux solutions to the problem.




as they are more interested in anti-government agendas and the perceived rights of those who committed the attacks.

you should say
they are very interested in constitutional government agendas
and the perceived rights of everyone in the country.

(unless the Constitution an anti government agenda ..hmmm.. i wonder.. no it's a limited gov't agenda, something conservatives say they love... until they don't)

[jimnyc]

I've posted my suggestions on stopping terrorism. And in this very thread i've rebuffed Jafar on his "insignificant" losses comment. to name one place, but what level of concern are you expecting. i don't see any threads about the condition of the victims by anyone. though i assume we all wish the survivors and families well. At least I assume everyone is concerned. But people seem to want to question others empathy if they don't agree with the political hype and faux solutions to the problem.

We have several running threads on the attacks in the current events section, the latest is the arrest affidavit against Tsaernev and subsequent news going forward. No offense, but I don't recall seeing you in any of those discussions. I've only seen you posting about his miranda rights, search rights for the citizens. Oh, and how we are more likely to get hit by a recliner than a terrorist attack. :)


you should say
they are very interested in constitutional government agendas
and the perceived rights of everyone in the country.

(unless the Constitution an anti government agenda ..hmmm.. i wonder.. no it's a limited gov't agenda, something conservatives say they love... until they don't)

No, it's YOUR perception, and that of others admittedly. The rest of the country is celebrating the hard work of the first responders and the unheard of speed of rounding up the scumbag terrorists.

[aboutime]

AMERICA! IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Furniture, of all kinds is. BANNED, ILLEGAL, and FORBIDDEN from this day forward.

As authorized by: Barrack H. Obama, Pretender, and Former Acorn Furniture Salesman.

[revelarts]

Report: Furniture fall kills Upstate toddler, injures 4-year-old (http://www.live5news.com/story/21631004/upstate)

GREENVILLE COUNTY, SC (WYFF) -march 2013-
The Greenville County Sheriff's Office says a toddler has died and a 4-year-old girl was injured after a chest of drawers fell on them as they were playing at a Landrum home Tuesday night.




http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57558985/tipping-televisions-kill-record-number-of-u.s-kids-govt-warns/
Tipping televisions kill record number of U.S. kids, gov't warns


A record number of curious kids are getting hurt by falling televisions in their homes, a government report warns.

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) released a report on Thursday that estimates about 43,000 people are injured in a television or furniture tip-over related incident each year, more than 25,000, or 59 percent, of whom are children.
"Small children are no match for a falling dresser, wall unit or 50- to 100-pound television," the CPSC said.
The report also showed that 349 people were killed between 2000 and 2011 by a falling television, appliance or piece of furniture -- 84 percent of them were kids younger than 9 years old. Falling televisions were more deadly, accounting for 62 percent of these fatalities. Last year alone, a record 41 tip-over related fatalities occurred.
The worrisome trends the report spotlighted indicated that three children are injured by a tip-over every hour --
or 71 children per day -- and one child is killed every two weeks.
Seventy percent of injuries involving children were caused by televisions, followed by 26 percent caused by furniture like dressers or tables.

Known causes of tip-overs included climbing (36 percent of cases involving children), hitting or kicking (14 percent) or playing nearby (7 percent). The report also suggests that some of these incidents are occurring as families swap out their heavier, older TVs for flat-screen models. The CPSC received reports that older, heavier television were moved to other areas of the house like the bedroom, where they were placed without a proper stand or anchoring device.
Government officials said these injury and fatality rates may climb even higher in the future.
"I urge parents to anchor their TVs, furniture and appliances and protect their children," CPSC Chairman Inez Tenenbaum said in a press release (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml13/13066.html). "It takes just a few minutes to do and it can save lives."....



The shocking number of deaths caused by falling TVs

On Black Friday, many Americans lined up in the biting cold to take advantage of steep discounts on new TVs. But, as desirable as this go-to appliance is, it also poses unsuspected dangers. According to the latest (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/12/falling-tvs-children-deaths/1764539/)report (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/12/falling-tvs-children-deaths/1764539/) from the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, 41 people — mostly children — were killed by falling TVs in 2011. Since 2000, more than 200 children have died that way. More startling stats: 18,000 people are injured by falling sets every year; three children are injured by a tipped-over TV every hour; and one child is killed every two weeks.

The tip-overs (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57558985/tipping-televisions-kill-record-number-of-u.s-kids-govt-warns/#postComments) are mainly caused by incidents in which people climb on the set (36 percent of such cases involve children) or hit or kick it (14 percent). These tragedies are occurring, the report suggests, as more consumers opt for flat-screens and move their older, heavier sets (which can weigh as much as 100 pounds) to the bedroom. "Children will climb up on furniture to try to turn the TV on and there goes the heavy television as well as the piece of furniture," says Inez Tenenbaum (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57558985/tipping-televisions-kill-record-number-of-u.s-kids-govt-warns/#postComments), chairman of the commission. Many heavy TVs are being placed on furniture that isn't designed to hold them properly, especially dressers.
Obviously, you can't eyeball your kids at all times, but you can minimize the odds that your child will end up as another statistic:
1. Double-check that your flat-screen is securely mounted to the wall. Just as importantly, talk to your children about changing the channel safely if they can't find the remote. Calmly set rules. Let them know that standing on furniture or climbing to reach the TV is strictly off limits.
2. Anchor your TV. Use common sense and don't place the set on a taller or unsteady piece of furniture — dresser, table, shelf, or kitchen counter — where it has the potential to fall on someone's head.
3. Place your TV on a low, sturdy base. This is especially important if a wall mount isn't possible.


http://theweek.com/article/index/237878/the-shocking-number-of-deaths-caused-by-falling-tvs

[jimnyc]

I don't understand the point here still. Should we not remain vigilant of terrorists because the numbers are lower than that of those killed by or around furniture? One is an accident and the other is one of the worst crimes a person can commit. The comparison falls very flat and really doesn't make much sense to me. I know your goal, to use a comparison to show the very hard odds one has of being involved in an attack. But I still don't get it - does that mean people shouldn't be fearful of it happening? We shouldn't spend as much money? We should not have as many people involved in hunting down terrorists or plans?

[revelarts]

I don't understand the point here still. Should we not remain vigilant of terrorists because the numbers are lower than that of those killed by or around furniture? One is an accident and the other is one of the worst crimes a person can commit. The comparison falls very flat and really doesn't make much sense to me. I know your goal, to use a comparison to show the very hard odds one has of being involved in an attack. But I still don't get it -

does that mean people shouldn't be fearful of it happening? Yes absolutely.
We shouldn't spend as much money? We should not have as many people involved in hunting down terrorists or plans?
Yes, Yes I gave a suggestion on a cheaper alternatives, other people could have better ideas. but for sure the TSA is a complete waste of bodies and money based on the threat, the experts know this but the public "feels" better because of them.

[jimnyc]

does that mean people shouldn't be fearful of it happening? Yes absolutely.
We shouldn't spend as much money? We should not have as many people involved in hunting down terrorists or plans?
Yes, Yes I gave a suggestion on a cheaper alternatives, other people could have better ideas. but for sure the TSA is a complete waste of bodies and money based on the threat, the experts know this but the public "feels" better because of them.

Intel, hunting down, monitoring - that's different than the TSA. I see them as "protection", and would agree that agency either needs an overhaul, or better, let the airlines hire private companies to handle their incoming/outgoing security. If something can be privatized, I'm all for it. But we really can't do that with intel agencies and other government resources/agencies.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Hey, Rev, how often do people get hit with nuclear attacks compared to furniture deaths? Pretty rare, right? You should write your senator, I think worrying about countries with nukes is a waste of time, based on your figures. :laugh:

we'd be better off trying to keep cribs and fold out sofas away from the Iranians and North Koreans.

[aboutime]

Good God! If things get any worse in life. Might as well just forbid, outlaw, refuse, and ban EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE.

Crawl into a hole, and hope it doesn't rain!

[revelarts]

http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist

You’re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist
By Jim Harper (http://www.cato.org/people/jim-harper)



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It got a lot of attention this morning when I tweeted (https://twitter.com/Jim_Harper/status/233951581001875457), “You’re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist.” It’s been quickly retweeted dozens of times, indicating that the idea is interesting to many people. So let’s discuss it in more than 140 characters.
In case it needs saying: Police officers are unlike terrorists in almost all respects. Crucially, the goal of the former, in their vastest majority, is to have a stable, peaceful, safe, law-abiding society, which is a goal we all share. The goal of the latter is … well, it’s complicated. I’ve cited my favorite expert on that, Audrey Kurth Cronin, here (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-third-strategic-actor/) and here (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/terrorism-and-security-systems/) and here (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/reactions-to-al-qaeda-terrorism-have-opened-a-flank/). Needless to say, the goal of terrorists is not that peaceful, safe, stable society.
I picked up the statistic from a blog post called: “Fear of Terror Makes People Stupid (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/fear-of-terror-makes-people-stupid.html),” which in turn cites the National Safety Council for this and lots of other numbers reflecting likelihoods of dying from various causes. So dispute the number(s) with them, if you care to.
I take it as a given that your mileage may vary. If you dwell in the suburbs or a rural area, and especially if you’re wealthy, white, and well-spoken, your likelihood of death from these two sources probably converges somewhat (at very close to zero).

The point of the quote is to focus people on sources of mortality society-wide, because this focus can guide public policy efforts at reducing death. (Thus, the number is not a product of the base rate fallacy.) In my opinion, too many people are still transfixed by terrorism despite the collapse of Al Qaeda over the last decade and the quite manageable—indeed, the quite well-managed—danger that terrorism presents our society today.
If you want to indulge your fears and prioritize terrorism, you’ll have plenty of help (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/terrorism-hysteria-watch/), and neither this blog post nor any other appeal to reason or statistics is likely to convince you. Among the John Mueller articles I would recommend, though, is “Witches, Communists, and Terrorists: Evaluating the Risks and Tallying the Costs (http://polisci.osu.edu/faculty/jmueller/ABAFIN.PDF)” (with Mark Stewart).
If one wants to be clinical about what things reduce death to Americans, one should ask why police officers are such a significant source of danger. I have some ideas.
Cato’s work on the War on Drugs (http://www.cato.org/drug-war) shows how it produces danger to the public and law enforcement both, not to mention loss of privacy and civil liberties, disrespect for law enforcement, disregard of the rule of law, and so on. Is the sum total of mortality and morbidity reduced or increased by the War on Drugs? I don’t know to say. But the War on Drugs certainly increases the danger to innocent people (including law enforcement personnel), where drug legalization would allow harm to naturally concentrate on the people who choose unwisely to use drugs.
The militarization of law enforcement (http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america) probably contributes to the danger. Cato’s Botched Paramilitary Police Raids map (http://www.cato.org/raidmap/) illustrates the problem of over-aggressive policing. Cato alum Radley Balko (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/) now documents these issues at the Huffington Post. Try out his “Cop or Soldier?” quiz (http://www.theagitator.com/2012/01/16/take-the-quiz/).

There are some bad apples in the police officer barrel. Given the power that law enforcement personnel have—up to and including the power to kill—I’m not satisfied that standards of professionalism are up to snuff. You can follow the Cato Institute’s National Police Misconduct Reporting Project (http://www.policemisconduct.net/) on Twitter at @NPMRP (http://twitter.com/NPMRP).
If the provocative statistic cited above got your attention, that’s good. If it adds a little more to your efforts at producing a safe, stable, peaceful, and free society, all the better.

[revelarts]

Terrorism is an over hyped fear.
It's not even on the map as a leading cause of death.
Does it need to be looked into by law enforcement, intel etc? yes. should it dictate or domestic and foreign policy and strip us of our rights? NO.


You’re More Likely to Die from Brain-Eating Parasites, Alcoholism, Obesity, Medical Errors, Risky Sexual Behavior or Just About Anything OTHER THAN Terrorism

Posted on April 28, 2013 (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/statistics-you-are-not-going-to-be-killed-by-terrorists.html) by WashingtonsBlog (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/author/washingtonsblog)
Calm Down … You Are Much More Likely to Be Killed By Boring, Mundane Things than Terrorism

We noted (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/fear-of-terror-makes-people-stupid.html) in 2011:
– You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack
– You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack
— You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane
— You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack
–You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack
— You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack
– You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack
–You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack
–You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack
–You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist
–You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack
– You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

Let’s look at some details from the most recent official statistics.
The U.S. Department of State reports that only 17 (http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195556.htm) U.S. citizens were killed worldwide as a result of terrorism in 2011. That figure includes deaths in Afghanistan, Iraq and all other theaters of war.
In contrast, the American agency which tracks health-related issues – the U.S. Centers for Disease Control – rounds up (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf) the most prevalent causes of death in the United States:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CDC-Mortality-CHart.jpg (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CDC-Mortality-CHart.jpg)
Comparing the CDC numbers to terrorism deaths means:
– You are 35,079 (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=11&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=596339%20divided%20by%2017%20&tok=duUe66lgoeLquEDcDRFVGQ&pq=596339%20divided%20by%2017%20&cp=4&gs_id=1ri&xhr=t&q=596,339+divided+by+17&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=596,339+divided+by+17+&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE&fp=4fb34227f337626b&biw=933&bih=421) times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack
– You are 33,842 (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=11&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=596%2C339%20divided%20by%2017%20&tok=duUe66lgoeLquEDcDRFVGQ&pq=596%2C339%20divided%20by%2017&cp=7&gs_id=1z0&xhr=t&q=575,313+divided+by+17&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=575,313+divided+by+17&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE&fp=4fb34227f337626b&biw=933&bih=421) times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

(Keep in mind when reading this entire piece that we are consistently and substantially understating the risk of other causes of death as compared to terrorism, because we are comparing deaths from various causes within the United States against deaths from terrorism worldwide.)
Wikipedia notes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States) that obesity is a a contributing factor in 100,000–400,000 deaths in the United States per year. That makes obesity 5,882 (https://www.google.com/search?q=100,000+divided+by+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sei=Fdh8UczeI8GCjAKZkoDoAQ&gbv=2) to times 23,528 (https://www.google.com/search?q=3,177+divided+by+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sei=mWB9UYb2KYetigKSxoHQCw&gbv=2#client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&gbv=2&sclient=psy-ab&q=5%2C882+times+4&oq=5%2C882+times+4&gs_l=serp.3...89576.91713.0.91876.9.8.0.0.0.0.212. 1093.1j6j1.8.0...0.0...1c.1.11.psy-ab.dZ5B4cwiF2U&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE&fp=4fb34227f337626b&biw=933&bih=383) more likely to kill you than a terrorist.
The annual number of deaths in the U.S. due to avoidable medical errors is as high as 100,000 (http://www.hhs.gov/secretary/about/opeds/phillainquirer20110425.html). Indeed, one of the world’s leading medical journals – Lancet – reported (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2811%2960520-5/fulltext?rss=yes) in 2011:
A November, 2010, document from the Office of the Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services reported that, when in hospital, one in seven beneficiaries of Medicare (the government-sponsored health-care programme for those aged 65 years and older) have complications from medical errors, which contribute to about 180 000 deaths of patients per year.

That’s just Medicare beneficiaries, not the entire American public. Scientific American noted (http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=deaths-from-avoidable-medical-error-2009-08-10) in 2009:
Preventable medical mistakes and infections are responsible for about 200,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to an investigation by the Hearst media corporation.

But let’s use the lower – 100,000 – figure. That still means that you are 5,882 (https://www.google.com/search?q=100,000+divided+by+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sei=Fdh8UczeI8GCjAKZkoDoAQ&gbv=2) times more likely to die from medical error than terrorism.
The CDC says that some 80,000 (http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm) deaths each year are attributable to excessive alcohol use. So you’re 4,706 (https://www.google.com/search?q=80%2C000+divided+by+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) times more likely to drink yourself to death than die from terrorism.
Wikipedia notes that there were 32,367 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year) automobile accidents in 2011, which means that you are 1,904 (https://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=32%2C367+divided+by+17&oq=32%2C367+divided+by+17&gs_l=hp.3...1250.4280.0.4760.15.15.0.0.0.0.184.178 0.7j8.15.0...0.0...1c.1.11.psy-ab.jPKlgO7qB3M&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE&fp=4fb34227f337626b&biw=933&bih=421) times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack. As CNN reporter Fareed Zakaria writes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fareed-zakaria-a-better-way-for-america-to-integrate-muslims/2013/04/24/9e1ca588-ad12-11e2-b6fd-ba6f5f26d70e_story.html) this week:
“Since 9/11, foreign-inspired terrorism has claimed about two dozen lives in the United States. (Meanwhile, more than 100,000 have been killed in gun homicides and more than 400,000 in motor-vehicle accidents.) “

According to a 2011 CDC report, poisoning from prescription drugs is even more likely to kill you (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db81.htm) than a car crash. Indeed, the CDC stated in 2011 that – in the majority of states – your prescription meds are more likely to kill you (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db81.htm) than any other source of injury. So your meds are thousands of times more likely to kill you than Al Qaeda.
The number of deaths by suicide has also surpassed car crashes (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/suicide-leading-cause-death-us_n_1909772.html), and many connect the increase in suicides to the downturn in the economy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/suicide-leading-cause-death-us_n_1909772.html). Around 35,000 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/11/14/what-we-dont-know-about-suicide/) Americans kill themselves each year (and more American soldiers die by suicide than combat (http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/11/americas_new_war_one_soldier_a.html); the number of veterans committing suicide is astronomical and under-reported (http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-military/veteran-suicide-after-returning-home/nSPW5/)). So you’re 2,059 (https://www.google.com/search?q=3,177+divided+by+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sei=mWB9UYb2KYetigKSxoHQCw&gbv=2#client=firefox-a&hl=en&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&gbv=2&biw=933&bih=383&sclient=psy-ab&q=35%2C000+divided+by+17&oq=35%2C000+divided+by+17&gs_l=serp.3...216087.218728.1.219021.15.13.0.0.0.0 .400.3319.1j4j2j5j1.13.0...0.0...1c.1.11.psy-ab.giH9_CI9At0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE&fp=4fb34227f337626b) times more likely to kill yourself than die at the hand of a terrorist.
The CDC notes that there were 7,638 (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf) deaths from HIV and 45 (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf) from syphilis, so you’re 452 (https://www.google.com/search?q=7,638+deaths+from+HIV+and+45&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sei=Z3x9UY-dKOf0iQLL9oGYBA&gbv=2#client=firefox-a&hl=en&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&gbv=2&sclient=psy-ab&q=%287%2C638+plus+45%29+divided+by+17&oq=%287%2C638+plus+45%29+divided+by+17&gs_l=serp.3...3061.23052.0.23582.25.24.1.0.0.0.417 .4328.3j14j3j3j1.24.0...0.0...1c.1.11.psy-ab.cdG5Vt5K64I&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE&fp=4fb34227f337626b&biw=933&bih=399) times more likely to die from risky sexual behavior than terrorism.
The National Safety Council reports that more than 6,000 (http://www.uma.edu/fallprotection.html) Americans die a year from falls … most of them involve people falling off their roof or ladder trying to clean their gutters, put up Christmas lights and the like. That means that you’re 353 (https://www.google.com/search?q=6%2C000+americans+fall+roof+ladders&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#client=firefox-a&hs=3et&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=6%2C000+divided+by+17&oq=6%2C000+divided+by+17&gs_l=serp.3..33i29i30l4.204956.206861.0.207772.14. 13.0.0.0.0.271.2555.0j6j7.13.0...0.0...1c.1.11.psy-ab.KkA-Eo8gW1I&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE&fp=4fb34227f337626b&biw=933&bih=383) times more likely to fall to your death doing something idiotic than die in a terrorist attack.
The agency in charge of workplace safety – the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration – reports that 4,609 (http://www.osha.gov/oshstats/commonstats.html) workers were killed on the job in 2011 within the U.S. homeland. In other words, you are 271 (https://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=4%2C609+divided+by+17&oq=4%2C609+divided+by+17&gs_l=hp.3...688.4044.0.4767.15.15.0.0.0.0.241.1722 .7j7j1.15.0...0.0...1c.1.11.psy-ab.2GReJwDoZOA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE&fp=4fb34227f337626b&biw=933&bih=437) times more likely to die from a workplace accident than terrorism.
The CDC notes that 3,177 (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf) people died of “nutritional deficiencies” in 2011, which means you are 187 (https://www.google.com/search?q=3,177+divided+by+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-asei=mWB9UYb2KYetigKSxoHQCw&gbv=2) times more likely to starve to death in American than be killed by terrorism.
Scientific American notes (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=common-parasite-linked-to-personality-changes):
You might have toxoplasmosis, an infection caused by the microscopic parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which the CDC estimates has infected about 22.5 percent of Americans older than 12 years old

Toxoplasmosis is a brain-parasite. The CDC reports that more than 375 (http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/about.html) Americans die annually due to toxoplasmosis. In addition, 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_amoebic_meningoencephalitis#Occurrence) Americans died in 2011 after being exposed to a brain-eating amoeba. So you’re about 22 (https://www.google.com/search?q=%28375+plus+3%29+divided+by+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) times more likely to die from a brain-eating zombie parasite than a terrorist.
There were at least 155 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_th e_United_States_2011) Americans killed by police officers in the United States in 2011. That means that you were more than 9 (https://www.google.com/search?q=155+divided+by+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) times more likely to be killed by a law enforcement officer than by a terrorist.

And the 2011 Report on Terrorism from the National Counter Terrorism Center notes that Americans are just as likely (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/americans-are-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-their-own-furniture-as-by-terrorism/258156/) to be “crushed to death by their televisions or furniture each year” as they are to be killed by terrorists....
read more at . http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/statistics-you-are-not-going-to-be-killed-by-terrorists.html

[Dilloduck]

Apparently people are a bit pissed when things are put into perspective by using the truth and facts ?

[red states rule]

Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism

Terrorist attacks killed 17 U.S. civilians last year and 15 the year before.




http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/americans-are-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-their-own-furniture-as-by-terrorism/258156/

I am sure your casual attitude toward murder will do little to comfort the family and friends of these people who were murdered by terrorists






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Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil



You might not know it from the grand pity party that vocal Muslims seem to have thrown for themselves in the years since 9/11, but only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante "revenge" attack following the horrific slaughter of thousands in the name of Allah. That would be Waqar Hasan, a Muslim convenience storeowner who was gunned down by Mark Anthony Stroman in Texas. Hardly an average American, Stroman was a white supremacist with a felony criminal record who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks. However, he did claim to be motivated by anger after having watched the twin towers fall.
For anyone keeping score


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People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11:
2,996


Muslim-Americans killed "in revenge":
1

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Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists such as Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, who not only have sanctuary in Muslim countries, but are often treated as heroes by devout followers of Muhammad.
Of course, 9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that Muslims have killed Americans on U.S. soil in terror attacks. In fact, since that day, Muslims have killed at least 61 people in 36 separate acts of terrorism in the United States (by the standards that Muslim-American groups set for hate crimes). Perhaps more importantly, there have been plenty of mass murder plots against Americans by Islamic terrorists that were thwarted by the FBI, law enforcement and overseas intelligence operations both before and after 9/11, as well as several that were simply botched, such as the attempt to blow up Times Square.
By contrast, Muslim-Americans do not appear to be in any special danger from murderous (non-Muslim) religious fanatics, even in a nation awash in firearms. Identity groups, such as CAIR, whine incessantly about relatively trivial incidents while turning a blind eye to the horrible violence that is meted out daily in the name of their religion. This distasteful petulance offers insight not only into the character of Islam, but also the America's impressive religious tolerance.
For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil in the last 35 years, here’s what we could find:

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Date
Country
City/State
Killed
Injured
Description


4/14/1972
USA
New York, NY
1
3
Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.


1/19/1973
USA
Brooklyn, NY
1
1
Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.


7/1/1973
USA
Bethesda, MD
1
0
An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.


7/18/1973
USA
Washington, DC
8
2
Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.


10/19/1973
USA
Oakland, CA
1
1
Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.


10/29/1973
USA
Berkeley, CA
1
0
A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.


11/25/1973
USA
Oakland, CA
1
0
A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.


12/11/1973
USA
Oakland, CA
1
0
A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.


12/13/1973
USA
Oakland, CA
1
0
A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.


12/20/1973
USA
Oakland, CA
1
0
Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.


12/22/1973
USA
Oakland, CA
2
0
Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.


12/24/1973
USA
Oakland, CA
1
0
A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.


1/24/1974
USA
Oakland, CA
4
1
Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.


4/1/1974
USA
Oakland, CA
1
1
A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.


4/16/1974
USA
Ingleside, CA
1
0
A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.


3/9/1977
USA
Washington, DC
1
1
Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.


7/22/1980
USA
Bethesda, MD
1
0
A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.


8/31/1980
USA
Savou, IL
2
0
An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.


11/6/1989
USA
St. Louis, MO
1
0
A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.


1/31/1990
USA
Tuscon, AZ
1
0
A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.


11/5/1990
USA
New York City, NY
1
0
An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.


1/25/1993
USA
Langley, VA
2
3
A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.


2/26/1993
USA
New York, NY
6
1040
Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.


3/1/1994
USA
Brooklyn, NY
1
0
A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.


3/23/1997
USA
New York, NY
1
6
A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.


4/3/1997
USA
Lompoc, CA
1
0
A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.


3/17/2000
USA
Atlanta, GA
1
1
A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.


9/11/2001
USA
New York, NY
2752
251
Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.


9/11/2001
USA
Washington, DC
184
53
Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.


9/11/2001
USA
Shanksville, PA
40
0
Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.


3/19/2002
USA
Tuscon, AZ
1
0
A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.


5/27/2002
USA
Denton, TX
1
0
Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.


7/4/2002
USA
Los Angeles, CA
2
0
Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.


9/5/2002
USA
Clinton, MD
1
0
A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.


9/21/2002
USA
Montgomery, AL
1
1
Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.


9/23/2002
USA
Baton Rouge, LA
1
0
A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.


10/2/2002
USA
Wheaton, MD
1
0
Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.


10/3/2002
USA
Montgomery County, MD
5
0
Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.


10/9/2002
USA
Manassas, VA
1
1
A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.


10/11/2002
USA
Fredericksburg, VA
1
0
Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.


10/14/2002
USA
Arlington, VA
1
0
A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.


10/22/2002
USA
Aspen Hill, MD
1
0
A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.


8/6/2003
USA
Houston, TX
1
0
After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.


12/2/2003
USA
Chicago, IL
1
0
A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.


4/13/2004
USA
Raleigh, NC
1
4
An angry Muslim runs down five strangers with a car.


4/15/2004
USA
Scottsville, NY
1
2
In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.


6/16/2006
USA
Baltimore, MD
1
0
A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.


6/25/2006
USA
Denver, CO
1
5
Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.


7/28/2006
USA
Seattle, WA
1
5
An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.


2/13/2007
USA
Salt Lake City, UT
5
4
A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.


1/1/2008
USA
Irving, TX
2
0
A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.


7/6/2008
USA
Jonesboro, GA
1
0
A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.


2/12/2009
USA
Buffalo, NY
1
0
The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.


4/12/2009
USA
Phoenix, AZ
2
0
A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.


6/1/2009
USA
Little Rock, AR
1
1
A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.


11/2/2009
USA
Glendale, AZ
1
1
A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)


11/5/2009
USA
Ft. Hood, TX
13
31
A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.


12/4/2009
USA
Binghamton, NY
1
0
A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.


4/14/2010
USA
Marquette Park, IL
5
2
After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.


4/30/2011
USA
Warren, MI
1
0
A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.


2/7/2013
USA
Buena Vista, NJ
2
0
A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.


3/24/2013
USA
Ashtabula, OH
1
0
A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.


4/15/2013
USA
Boston, MA
3
170
Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.


4/19/2013
USA
Boston, MA
1
1
Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.

</tbody>

(3,101 killed by Muslims in America in 70 terror attacks)



http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm

[red states rule]

A good report to counter hysteria after the Boston bombing. It's similar to the old adage, you are more likely to be hit by a bus crossing the road than die in a plane crash.

To also put things into perspective...

Recently, bombs across Iraq have killed 50 and injured 100s (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-15/bomb-attacks-across-iraq-kill-202c-injure-200/4630608). Not to take anything away from the tragedy of Boston, but compared to this the Boston bombing was small and insignificant, yet the world stopped for Boston, but doesn't bat an eyelid for the horrors that unfold in Iraq and Afghanistan on a daily basis.

Americans, you are safer than you realise and you should never take it for granted.

small and insignificant - that describes your brain

[taft2012]

Since the liberals and pothead conservatives want to reduce the argument over the validity of the most legitimate function of government to mathematics, I'll add another factor to the equation.

The reason we enjoy such wealth and prosperity is the safety and security we provide in this country. An industry in America does not have to worry about foreign invasions or collapsing governments impacting their investment.

Once the potential factors of invasion and political collapse were removed from economic equations in countries under our military umbrella, look at how they prospered and flourished; Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea leap to mind.

A country elsewhere may offer lower tax incentives, cheaper labor, and cheaper resources. However, often the risk is higher, which is why industry hesitates to invest.

Terrorist attacks shake confidence in the security factor, add risk to investment, and lowers all economic value. For decades Ireland had a highly educated work force sitting around and waiting for work, but the risks deterred foreign companies from investing. Once terrorism waned, the country prospered. The actual number of people killed during "The Troubles" was not overwhelming as a mathematical statistic, and even then furniture may have been more dangerous to the Irish, but the economic damage was evident.

The most legitimate function of government will always be protecting the safety of the people and their property from dangers both foreign and domestic. Additionally, we're doing that because any lapse of security has a significant negative economic impact on our value as a commercial venue.

The value of what we protect, and prevent loss in.... may very well be greater than the costs we incur in security expenses.

But if some potheads get swept up in the security efforts, so be it.

[revelarts]

I am sure your casual attitude toward murder will do little to comfort the family and friends of these people who were murdered by terrorists

REd, most of those are Just plain old murders. Not really terrorism. Some are honor killings.
At lot of those earlier that you list are from the "nation of Islam" which is the Louis Farakan pseudo Muslim cult and many of those are strait murders. Stabbing a prison guard is terrorism? really?

Muslims Cutting in line at the movie theaters is terrorism too.
this is the kinda thing in world wide terror list makes me doubt folks hysteria.

A while back when WindSong was here I posted a lot of stories from India about Hindu based Human sacrifice. there were as many, or more, hurt and killed (minus 911) in my list than what you've posted here. And most were from the 1990s to the present as well. even some members of the Indian gov't have been involved in it.

I could Post a list of incidents in America of the Police killing people, shooting unarmed people, Injuring innocent people and claim that the police are an invading army that are completely out of control & must be stopped ...at all cost. Read these police memos about the people they want to attack!!! My list would probably be longer than yours. But that's not the whole story is it? It's something real to deal with, but no draconian, hysterical, 'hate all police' response is called for.

there is no doubt that some religions promote MORE violence than others. but not all of it should automatically be considered "terrorism" either , just because the perps are Muslim.
Just like every police shooting of an innocent man is not a crime, often it's just a mistake, sometimes it's bad apple police, or criminal corrupt cops. they don't all mean they are police state lead monsters.
Every Muslim murder or attack isn't terrorism, though it may be done under some influence of the prejudices their religion.

I doubt this line of talk will phase anyone but I had to give it shot.


sorry guys but this got me thinking of the old monty python bit, i've got to be carful not to fall into the same kinda thinking myself
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[jafar00]

small and insignificant - that describes your brain

Perhaps you should learn a little grammar before insulting me in reputation comments ("your are an ass"). When you have grasped the basics of the English language, you can come back and insult me again freely. :laugh2:

[revelarts]

Since the liberals and pothead conservatives want to reduce the argument over the validity of the most legitimate function of government to mathematics, I'll add another factor to the equation.
The reason we enjoy such wealth and prosperity is the safety and security we provide in this country. An industry in America does not have to worry about foreign invasions or collapsing governments impacting their investment.
Once the potential factors of invasion and political collapse were removed from economic equations in countries under our military umbrella, look at how they prospered and flourished; Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea leap to mind.
A country elsewhere may offer lower tax incentives, cheaper labor, and cheaper resources. However, often the risk is higher, which is why industry hesitates to invest.
Terrorist attacks shake confidence in the security factor, add risk to investment, and lowers all economic value. For decades Ireland had a highly educated work force sitting around and waiting for work, but the risks deterred foreign companies from investing. Once terrorism waned, the country prospered. The actual number of people killed during "The Troubles" was not overwhelming as a mathematical statistic, and even then furniture may have been more dangerous to the Irish, but the economic damage was evident.
The most legitimate function of government will always be protecting the safety of the people and their property from dangers both foreign and domestic. Additionally, we're doing that because any lapse of security has a significant negative economic impact on our value as a commercial venue.
The value of what we protect, and prevent loss in.... may very well be greater than the costs we incur in security expenses.
But if some potheads get swept up in the security efforts, so be it.

Faux security and economics trumps all Liberty, I see.
that's not a bad definition of fascism.

[taft2012]

Faux security and economics trumps all Liberty, I see.
that's not a bad definition of fascism.

Wheee, now that thar's some gen-you-ine librawl knee jerk reaction!

Seriously, you can't respond with anything other than a gross mischaracterization?

I provided extensive explanation and real-life examples.

You provided knee jerk liberalism.

[revelarts]

Wheee, now that thar's some gen-you-ine librawl knee jerk reaction!
Seriously, you can't respond with anything other than a gross mischaracterization?
I provided extensive explanation and real-life examples.
You provided knee jerk liberalism.
sorry i don't see that

[fj1200]

Faux security and economics trumps all Liberty, I see.
that's not a bad definition of fascism.

Ouch.

[aboutime]

Wheee, now that thar's some gen-you-ine librawl knee jerk reaction!

Seriously, you can't respond with anything other than a gross mischaracterization?

I provided extensive explanation and real-life examples.

You provided knee jerk liberalism.


Taft. You've gotta remember. Lately. Rev has become the OTHER False Prophet. Just like jafar. Defender of Peaceful Killings.

[tailfins]

Sounds to me as if Rev, and jafar have come up with the Justification-Excuses they need to condone the SMALL number of deaths by terrorism.
In other words. Rather than offend, insult, or anger members of Islam, or the Muslim community. IT'S ALRIGHT if some die from the hands of terrorists...considering the huge number of people on Earth..."SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?"

Not surprised at jafar's hatred. But seeing how Rev responded to this, and thanked jafar. Tells us all we really need to know about TWO FALSE PROPHETS who claim to be members of the Religion of Peace.


More people die in some single family sedan crash than the Boston Marathon bombing. The victims of a single car crash are just as dead. If car travel had the same level of hysteria, there would be police checkpoints at each on and off ramp. There's a point where the value of freedom outweighs the tiny increase of risk of death. We shouldn't go through life wrapped in bubble wrap.

[NightTrain]

Rev, you're off base here.

Consider the hundreds, if not thousands of plots to kill Americans right here in the USA that have been thwarted due to a massive amount of manpower and money thrown at the problem.

Your whole argument that we shouldn't be alarmed about muzzies trying to kill us is bullshit.

They would gleefully saw your fuckin' head off with a dull knife on camera if they could, and you're a fool if you don't think they would.


My La-Z-Boy more dangerous than Achmed? Give me a fucking break!

[red states rule]

REd, most of those are Just plain old murders. Not really terrorism. Some are honor killings.
At lot of those earlier that you list are from the "nation of Islam" which is the Louis Farakan pseudo Muslim cult and many of those are strait murders. Stabbing a prison guard is terrorism? really?

Muslims Cutting in line at the movie theaters is terrorism too.
this is the kinda thing in world wide terror list makes me doubt folks hysteria.

A while back when WindSong was here I posted a lot of stories from India about Hindu based Human sacrifice. there were as many, or more, hurt and killed (minus 911) in my list than what you've posted here. And most were from the 1990s to the present as well. even some members of the Indian gov't have been involved in it.

I could Post a list of incidents in America of the Police killing people, shooting unarmed people, Injuring innocent people and claim that the police are an invading army that are completely out of control & must be stopped ...at all cost. Read these police memos about the people they want to attack!!! My list would probably be longer than yours. But that's not the whole story is it? It's something real to deal with, but no draconian, hysterical, 'hate all police' response is called for.

there is no doubt that some religions promote MORE violence than others. but not all of it should automatically be considered "terrorism" either , just because the perps are Muslim.
Just like every police shooting of an innocent man is not a crime, often it's just a mistake, sometimes it's bad apple police, or criminal corrupt cops. they don't all mean they are police state lead monsters.
Every Muslim murder or attack isn't terrorism, though it may be done under some influence of the prejudices their religion.

I doubt this line of talk will phase anyone but I had to give it shot.




Just plain old murders? It is amazing your causal attitude toward terrorists killing innocent people while you are enraged over the abortion butcher in Philly killing innocent babies

Honor killing is terrorism Rev

So now after countless terrorist attacks by young Muslims any talk about those young Muslims is now called hysteria

I dount if anything will ever sway you that this is a war Rev. God forbid if another 9/11 type attack happens here I wonder if you will follow in the footsteps of Ron Paul and blame America for the attack, tell the grieving families they better learn from it, change our ways, and remember it was only a few fanatics not the entire Muslim race

Even as the streets all around the ME fill with happy and cheering Muslims when they see the death and destruction of the attack

[aboutime]

More people die in some single family sedan crash than the Boston Marathon bombing. The victims of a single car crash are just as dead. If car travel had the same level of hysteria, there would be police checkpoints at each on and off ramp. There's a point where the value of freedom outweighs the tiny increase of risk of death. We shouldn't go through life wrapped in bubble wrap.

Right you are tailfins. For you and your family. It's better to just ignore the world around all of you. Keep making comparisons that make you feel secure. After all. When something, or someone kills you, or a member of your family. It's just another death. Right?

That just happens to be the major problem for a large percentage of Americans today. They take too much for granted, and always feel secure in knowing "It will never happen to me."

Famous last words.

[red states rule]

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Where Islam is "Misunderstood" For some very odd reason, the perfect religion of Islam
is routinely "misunderstood" each and every day.
Since 9/11 terrorism in the name of Allah occurs in:

India and the Sudan and Algeria and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Arkansas and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Georgia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Illinois and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Afghanistan and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and North Carolina and Germany and Arizona and Lebanon and Iran and Kazakhstan and Sweden and Azerbaijan and Iraq and Scotland and Macedonia and Bulgaria and Cameroon and Massachusetts and...

...and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously: "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty"
Qur'an, Sura 9:123

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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[taft2012]

More people die in some single family sedan crash than the Boston Marathon bombing. The victims of a single car crash are just as dead. If car travel had the same level of hysteria, there would be police checkpoints at each on and off ramp. There's a point where the value of freedom outweighs the tiny increase of risk of death. We shouldn't go through life wrapped in bubble wrap.

Not really the best comparison. For the most part, car accidents are not criminal in nature and certainly not acts of war. It's the legitimate function of government to protect the people criminal acts and/or acts of war. Not accidents.

The irony is that the success we've had in combating terrorism has lulled many Americans back into a pre-9/11 mentality. Even worse, it's the POTUS leading the pack and actively downplaying genuine acts of terrorism.

We're fortunate Boston didn't involve a chemical agent or dirty bomb, or worse. When that day does eventually arrive, the pothead conservatives.... sitting in their double-wides deep in the woods, huffing furiously on their weed, will have a lot to answer for.

[jafar00]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Here we go again.....

[fj1200]

... the pothead conservatives...


Here we go again.....

Too true.

[logroller]

We're fortunate Boston didn't involve a chemical agent or dirty bomb, or worse. When that day does eventually arrive, the pothead conservatives.... sitting in their double-wides deep in the woods, huffing furiously on their weed, will have a lot to answer for.

the irony is...


...you can't respond with anything other than a gross mischaracterization...
Pot, meet kettle.

[aboutime]

Not really the best comparison. For the most part, car accidents are not criminal in nature and certainly not acts of war. It's the legitimate function of government to protect the people criminal acts and/or acts of war. Not accidents.

The irony is that the success we've had in combating terrorism has lulled many Americans back into a pre-9/11 mentality. Even worse, it's the POTUS leading the pack and actively downplaying genuine acts of terrorism.

We're fortunate Boston didn't involve a chemical agent or dirty bomb, or worse. When that day does eventually arrive, the pothead conservatives.... sitting in their double-wides deep in the woods, huffing furiously on their weed, will have a lot to answer for.


taft. According to many of our easily led members. Talking about WHAT IF'S around them is merely refreshing their childish memories of the 'SKY IS FALLING' hypothetical things they will DIE insisting..."It can't, and won't ever happen to us!"

[red states rule]

Here we go again.....

Well someone has to keep track of the death and destruction Islam inflicts on the world

It requires many full time workers putting in some OT to keep the site updated