1 Boston Bomber dead, 1 on the run

[jimnyc]

It appears they are brothers from Russia, here in the States legally. Rumor has it from a few sites that they are followers of Islam, but that could be made up rumors at this point... I also read that the first bomber may have blown himself up. Massive hunt on for the second bomber.


WATERTOWN, Mass. (AP) -- All residents of Boston were ordered to stay in their homes Friday morning as the search for the surviving suspect in the marathon bombings continued after a long night of violence that left another suspect dead.

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis made the announcement that the entire city should stay indoors at a news conference where Gov. Deval Patrick said the remaining suspect, described as a dangerous terrorist, was still on the loose.

The developments came after the suspects killed an MIT police officer overnight, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during their getaway attempt, authorities said as the manhunt intensified.

The suspects were identified to The Associated Press as coming from the Russian region near Chechnya, which has been plagued by an Islamic insurgency stemming from separatist wars. A law enforcement intelligence bulletin obtained by the AP identified the surviving bomb suspect as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, a 19-year-old who had been living in Cambridge, just outside Boston, and said he "may be armed and dangerous."

Two law enforcement officials told the AP that Tsarnaev and the other suspect, who was not immediately identified, had been living legally in the U.S. for at least one year.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_CONVERGE_MASS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-19-07-09-32

[jimnyc]

A profile of one:

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know1. He's an Immigrant, But He's Been Here Awhile
According to the AP, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, so-called Suspect No. 2, and his brother, Suspect No. 1, have lived in the U.S. for at least a year. NBC reports about two years. And online footprints show he's likely been here since at least 2010. NBC's Pete Williams, who has been in the know and debunked speculation that a missing Brown University student was the suspect (http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/sunil-tripathi-5-fast-facts/), previously described the suspect brothers as "legal permanent residents. ... They appear to be from Turkey, possibly Chechens from Turkey. That seems to be the nationality here." Records show Dzhokhar was registered to voter in Cambridge.

He Won a $2,500 Scholarship
2. According to this list, (http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/cambridge/2011/05/cambridge_announces_2011_city.html) he received a $2,500 college scholarship from the city of Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 2011.

He's a Wrestler
3. As seen in this bracket (http://www.masswrestling.com/cms/e107_files/misc/2010-11_framingham_brackets.htm), he was high school wrestler.

He Was on Social Media This Morning
4. He apparently checked in very recently on his social media profile (http://vk.com/id160300242).

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-boston-bombing-suspect-no/

[jimnyc]

http://vk.com/id160300242

A profile on one of the bombers. Notice the line for "World View: Islam" This is a screenshot of one of his social sites he belonged to:


http://i.imgur.com/hEMIxXW.png

[jimnyc]

Live update page on Yahoo. Surprising?


Jeff Greenfield, Y! News:

Here is the key news from the Mother Jones' link: Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26 year-old brother of the second Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, had a YouTube page where he posted religious videos, including a video of Feiz Mohammad, a fundamentalist Australian Muslim preacher who rails against the evils of Harry Potter. Among those videos is one dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan which is embraced by Islamic extremists—particularly Al Qaeda. The videos posted on what appears to be Tsarnaev's YouTube page may shed light on the motivations for the attack on the Boston Marathon. The prophecy states that an invincible army will come from the region of "Khurasan," a large portion of territory in central Asia.

"This is a major hadith (reported saying of the prophet Muhammad) that jihadis use, it is essentially an end-time prophecy," says Aaron Zelin, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy "This is definitely important in Al Qaeda's ideology." In The Black Banners, former FBI agent Ali Soufan's book about his pursuit of Al Qaeda that is named after this prophecy, Soufan describes the prophecy this way:

Khurasan is a term for a historical region spanning northeastern and eastern Iran and parts of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and northwestern Pakistan. Because of the hadith, jihadists believe that this is the region from which they will inflict a major defeat against their enemies—in the Islamic version of Armageddon.

The older Tsarnaev seems to have posted the video four months ago under the username "muazseyfullah." According to Zelin, "Mu'az is usually a name," and "Sayf Allah means sword of God."

http://news.yahoo.com/questions-about-the-boston-marathon-bombing-investigation--join-yahoo-news-editors-and-reporters-for-a-live-chat-091946892.html

[jimnyc]

Boston Bombing Suspect Posted Video on Al Qaeda Prophecy on YouTubeThe deceased suspect in the bombing of the Boston marathon, which killed three and injured more than 170, appears to have posted a video extolling an extremist religious prophecy associated with Al Qaeda to his YouTube page.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/tamerlan-tsarnaev-dead-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-name-released-by-nbc-news), the 26 year-old brother of the second Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, had a YouTube page where he posted religious videos, including a video of Feiz Mohammad, a fundamentalist Australian Muslim preacher (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6273629.stm) who rails against the evils of Harry Potter. Among those videos is one dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan which is embraced by Islamic extremists—particularly Al Qaeda. The videos posted on what appears to be Tsarnaev's YouTube page may shed light on the motivations for the attack on the Boston Marathon. The prophecy states that an invincible army will come from the region of "Khurasan," a large portion of territory in central Asia.
"This is a major hadith (reported saying of the prophet Muhammad) that jihadis use, it is essentially an end-time prophecy," says Aaron Zelin, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy "This is definitely important in Al Qaeda's ideology." In The Black Banners, former FBI agent Ali Soufan's book about his pursuit of Al Qaeda that is named after this prophecy, Soufan describes the prophecy this way:

Khurasan is a term for a historical region spanning northeastern and eastern Iran and parts of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and northwestern Pakistan. Because of the hadith, jihadists believe that this is the region from which they will inflict a major defeat against their enemies—in the Islamic version of Armageddon.
The older Tsarnaev seems to have posted the video four months ago under the username "muazseyfullah." According to Zelin, "Mu'az is usually a name," and "Sayf Allah means sword of God." Here is the video:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/boston-bombing-suspect-posted-video-al-qaeda-prophecy-youtube

[NightTrain]

Muslim? Check.
Male? Check.
Age 18 to 34? Check.
Of Middle Eastern Descent? Check.
Original country awash in Islamic fervor? Check.
Posting typical radical muslim crap on the internet? Check.


Seems to me these two should have been grabbed long before they were able to blow up Americans.

Common sense profiling would have caught these two animals.

[CSM]

Muslim? Check.
Male? Check.
Age 18 to 34? Check.
Of Middle Eastern Descent? Check.
Original country awash in Islamic fervor? Check.
Posting typical radical muslim crap on the internet? Check.


Seems to me these two should have been grabbed long before they were able to blow up Americans.

Common sense profiling would have caught these two animals.

PROFILING????? You know darn well that profiling is a huge no-no! What are you ... some kind of right wing, bible thumping, gun toting extremist?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Boston Bombing Suspect Posted Video on Al Qaeda Prophecy on YouTube

The deceased suspect in the bombing of the Boston marathon, which killed three and injured more than 170, appears to have posted a video extolling an extremist religious prophecy associated with Al Qaeda to his YouTube page.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/tamerlan-tsarnaev-dead-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-name-released-by-nbc-news), the 26 year-old brother of the second Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, had a YouTube page where he posted religious videos, including a video of Feiz Mohammad, a fundamentalist Australian Muslim preacher (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6273629.stm) who rails against the evils of Harry Potter. Among those videos is one dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan which is embraced by Islamic extremists—particularly Al Qaeda. The videos posted on what appears to be Tsarnaev's YouTube page may shed light on the motivations for the attack on the Boston Marathon. The prophecy states that an invincible army will come from the region of "Khurasan," a large portion of territory in central Asia.
"This is a major hadith (reported saying of the prophet Muhammad) that jihadis use, it is essentially an end-time prophecy," says Aaron Zelin, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy "This is definitely important in Al Qaeda's ideology." In The Black Banners, former FBI agent Ali Soufan's book about his pursuit of Al Qaeda that is named after this prophecy, Soufan describes the prophecy this way:
Khurasan is a term for a historical region spanning northeastern and eastern Iran and parts of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and northwestern Pakistan. Because of the hadith, jihadists believe that this is the region from which they will inflict a major defeat against their enemies—in the Islamic version of Armageddon.

The older Tsarnaev seems to have posted the video four months ago under the username "muazseyfullah." According to Zelin, "Mu'az is usually a name," and "Sayf Allah means sword of God." Here is the video:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/boston-bombing-suspect-posted-video-al-qaeda-prophecy-youtube

Looks like Obama's Muslim friends getting busy again. Remember that most beautiful sound he ever heard?? The Muslim afternoon call to evening prayers!
Just watch how the government and media attempt to downplay these Muslims and their terror attack on USA.
OR ELSE THEY WIN SPIN IT TO MAKE OBAMA LOOK THE PART OF A GREAT LEADER/HERO.

Bamboy and his kissing up to his Muslim brothers is to blame for the attack IMHO.
He should be impeached! -Tyr

[Marcus Aurelius]

A profile of one:

He Was on Social Media This Morning
4. He apparently checked in very recently on his social media profile (http://vk.com/id160300242).

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-boston-bombing-suspect-no/
from his page...

Jeedai Jai (http://vk.com/id208976583) you and your brother will pay in death the debt you owe to life.


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Nikita Nikitin (http://vk.com/xcrazer) Jey (http://vk.com/id208970395), i am from moscow,and i think same as you,these 2 guys are stupid faggots,they must be executed


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[Drummond]

Those who'd advocate any stance suggesting that America, and its terrorist-fighting allies (e.g the UK) should be soft on terrorists/'insurgents'/ ... should wake up and smell the coffee, in my opinion.

How popular [I]is the mood which has it that withdrawals from the Middle East are the way to go ?? How willing are certain Lefties to find some means of appeasing Middle Eastern terrorists .. to 'negotiate' with them, or at any rate, leave them well alone ?

People - however inclined those types may be to walk away from confrontation and to choose not to recognise them as enemies needing to be dealt with, THEY have no interest in reciprocating. THEY see YOU as enemies, and wish you great harm.

No amount of wishful thinking will wish that away. THEY want to kill and destroy, and they will continue to.

There is but ONE answer to all this that's worth a damn, only ONE standing a chance of remedying their savagery. Namely, continuing the War on Terror until, and only until, THEY ARE FINALLY DEFEATED.

Until or unless this is realised, such attacks just will not cease. More murders will happen.

I ask: just how willing is the sellout Left to see this continue on ? Indefinitely ? OR, will they finally, without reservation, wake up to the need to continue the fight to ultimate victory, to make terrorism so unthinkable that no would-be bomber or Islamist murderer could contemplate doing it any more ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Muslim? Check.
Male? Check.
Age 18 to 34? Check.
Of Middle Eastern Descent? Check.
Original country awash in Islamic fervor? Check.
Posting typical radical muslim crap on the internet? Check.


Seems to me these two should have been grabbed long before they were able to blow up Americans.

Common sense profiling would have caught these two animals.

Bravo..--:beer:

Great post...---- Check.

Highlight Obama the dumb ass coddling attitude towards his Muslim friends/brothers. ---- Check

Shows how lousy Homeland Insecurity is..----Check

Points out Obama's new anti-gun campaign is his pursuit of a personal agenda and his neglecting do the job he has been elected to do.---Check.

Obama wanted a waiting period on gun purchases and more restrictions while his buddies use bombs and would not even be affected. Clever boy that bamboy..--Check

[Drummond]

Muslim? Check.
Male? Check.
Age 18 to 34? Check.
Of Middle Eastern Descent? Check.
Original country awash in Islamic fervor? Check.
Posting typical radical muslim crap on the internet? Check.


Seems to me these two should have been grabbed long before they were able to blow up Americans.

Common sense profiling would have caught these two animals.:clap::clap::clap:

[NightTrain]

Regarding that muslim cleric in Australia in Jim's post :


The Australian government has condemned a Muslim cleric for making offensive comments in videotaped lectures.Sheikh Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney, urged children to become martyrs for Islam and mocked Jewish people as pigs.

...

Sheikh Feiz Mohammed, who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, talks on the controversial videotapes of his desire for children to be offered "as soldiers defending Islam".
"Teach them this," he says, "that there is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a Muhajid.

"Put in their soft, tender heart the zeal of jihad and the love of martyrdom."

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Possible motive (other than just their hate filled religion),why these Muslims CHOSE TO ATTACK AMERICANS.-Tyr


http://www.arena.org.au/1999/12/unca...n-of-chechnya/ (http://www.arena.org.au/1999/12/uncanny-reflection-the-destruction-of-chechnya/)
against the current
Dec 1999
Uncanny Reflection – The Destruction of Chechnya

NATO’s bombing of Serbian forces and Russia’s action in Chechnya have some chilling similarities writes Simon Cooper

When we hear the Russian bombers coming we say here comes ‘humanitarian aid’
Resident of Grozny

Like a funhouse mirror, the brutal mass-bombing and shelling of Chechnya by Russian forces resembles a distorted version of NATO’s bombing of Serbian forces in Kosovo. And while there are differences, as Clinton and Blair are keen to point out, the complicity of the West in the Chechnya situation is both real and multilevelled. Firstly, Russia has taken a leaf out of NATO’s manual on how to wage contemporary warfare. Secondly, the United States has long been a supporter of Russian attempts to dominate Chechnya. Finally, the muted response by the West to such overt barbarism has as much to do with investments in the global economy, natural resources, and ideological attempts to restrain perceived growth of fundamentalist Islam as it has to do with the issues of opposing a powerful and nuclear-capable nation.

Despite some coverage, the media response, in proportion to the amount of killing and terror that is evident in Chechnya, has been restrained. While Russia over the past six weeks has relentlessly bombed cities and villages, resulting in indiscriminate destruction, causing over two hundred thousand people to flee to neighbouring Ingushetia, there has been precious little coverage in the media of a crisis that equals, if not surpasses, the one in Kosovo. Whereas dozens of television cameras were able to convey the multifaceted scenes of terror in Kosovo, we are yet to see anything comparable in Chechnya. One can speculate on the reasons for this. One is that Russia has ensured that media contact is minimal – it is fighting its own version of an ‘information war’. Few reporters are willing to go to an area made so obviously dangerous by random bombing, combined with threats of kidnapping. Russian shelling has destroyed local media structures, along with everything else. The lack of television coverage means that Russia can deny much of what it is doing, the attack on Elistanzhi and the bombing of five Red Cross vehicles (killing two staff and twenty-five civilians) being two notorious early examples.

[Thunderknuckles]

As soon as I heard they were Chechnyans, I said aha! Muslims.
I never once thought this was going to turn out to be some lone wolf, crazy, white American. Nothing about this fit that profile.

[revelarts]

"This is a major hadith (reported saying of the prophet Muhammad) that jihadis use, it is essentially an end-time prophecy," says Aaron Zelin, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy "This is definitely important in Al Qaeda's ideology." In The Black Banners, former FBI agent Ali Soufan's book about his pursuit of Al Qaeda that is named after this prophecy, Soufan describes the prophecy this way:


interesting info.
you might want to search our site for FBI Ali Soufan, we've mentioned him before. he's a pretty good guy.

[jimnyc]

Here is one of the psycho's youtube page, have a good laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah

[jimnyc]

Dead Boston bombing suspect was a ‘very religious’ Muslim boxer

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the two Chechen brothers identified as the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing, was a self-described “very religious” Muslim boxer who yearned for Chechen independence and who posed for a photo essay entitled “Will Box for Passport.”
He was identified as the suspect who died early Friday morning during a shootout with police in Watertown, Massachusetts — a suburb of Boston. His brother, who is still on the run as of this publishing, is named Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a student at Bunker Hill Community College and a Golden Gloves boxer who trained at Wai Kru mixed martial arts gym in Boston and competed in a national Golden Gloves competition. The Wai Kru gym could not be reached for comment.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/19/dead-boston-bombing-suspect-was-a-very-religious-muslim-boxer/#ixzz2QvZc6mut

[jimnyc]

Boston Bomber Posted Video on 'The Black Flags From Khorasan'BuzzFeed has linked to the YouTube page of Tamerlan Tasarnaev (http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/tamerlan-tsarnaevs-youtube-page-focused-on-islam) – the older brother in the pair suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon earlier this week. A video he linked to on his page is titled, “The Emergence of Prophecy: The Black Flags From Khorasan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJknGtKV34I).”

The video deals with a key part of jihadist mythology: That one of the most significant battles fought against the “infidels” will take place in the Khorasan, a geographic area that includes parts of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
As my colleague Bill Roggio has explained (http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/10/fighters_from_caucas.php), “The Khorasan is considered by jihadis to be the place where they will inflict the first defeat against their enemies in the Muslim version of Armageddon. The final battle is to take place in the Levant - Israel, Syria, and Lebanon. Mentions of the Khorasan have begun to increase in al Qaeda's propaganda.”
This, of course, does not make the brothers al Qaeda operatives. It does increase the likelihood that Tamerlan Tasarnaev, if this is indeed his YouTube page, was at least sympathetic to the same underlying ideology.
Authorities still have to carefully piece together the details of how the brothers became terrorists, however, including if they have any ties abroad. And this investigation will produce a more complete dossier on their beliefs and motivations.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/boston-bomber-posted-video-black-flags-khorasan_718071.html

[jimnyc]

Who wants to bet that the roots of the evil turn out not to be in America, but in ideology and faith, aka sympathizing for Islamic causes?

Chechen President Says American Upbringing to Blame
The Chechen president has apparently released a statement that blames the suspects' American upbringing for their alleged terrorist activity.


"Tragic events have taken place in Boston. A terrorist attack killed people. We have already expressed our condolences to the people of the city and to the American people. Today, the media reports, one Tsarnaev was killed as [police] tried to arrest him. It would be appropriate if he was detained and investigated, and the circumstances and the extent of his guilt determined. Apparently, the security services needed to calm down the society by any means necessary," says Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov, according to BuzzFeed (http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/chechen-president-blames-american-upbringing-for-suspected-b).


"Any attempt to draw a connection between Chechnya and Tsarnaevs — if they are guilty — is futile. They were raised in the United States, and their attitudes and beliefs were formed there. It is necessary to seek the roots of this evil in America. The whole world must struggle against terrorism — that we know better than anyone else. We hope for the recovery of all the victims, and we mourn with the Americans."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chechen-president-says-american-upbringing-blame_718098.html#

[Thunderknuckles]

Who wants to bet that the roots of the evil turn out not to be in America, but in ideology and faith, aka sympathizing for Islamic causes?

Chechen President Says American Upbringing to Blame


The Chechen president has apparently released a statement that blames the suspects' American upbringing for their alleged terrorist activity.


"Any attempt to draw a connection between Chechnya and Tsarnaevs — if they are guilty — is futile. They were raised in the United States, and their attitudes and beliefs were formed there. It is necessary to seek the roots of this evil in America. The whole world must struggle against terrorism — that we know better than anyone else. We hope for the recovery of all the victims, and we mourn with the Americans."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chechen-president-says-american-upbringing-blame_718098.html#

The Chechen president is off the mark. Their beliefs were formed by Islam.

[jimnyc]

Boston Bomb Suspect's Dad Tells Him to Surrender, Warns ' Hell Will Break Loose' if Son DiesThe father of suspected Boston Marathon bomber called on his son today to give up peacefully, but warned the U.S. that if his son is killed "all hell will break loose."

Anzor Tsarnaev spoke to ABC News from his home in the Russian city of Makhachkala as Boston police carried out an intense dragnet for his son Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, survived a running gun battle with police during the night that left an MIT security officer dead and a Boston cop badly wounded. His older brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, died in the shootout.

The father said he spoke to his sons by phone earlier this week. "We talked about the bombing. I was worried about then," Anzor Tsarnaev said.

He said his sons reassured him, saying, "Everything is good, Daddy. Everything is very good."

The elder Tsarnaev insisted that his sons were innocent, but said he would appeal to his son to "surrender peacefully."

"Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you. Come home to Russia," the dad said.

The father warned, however, "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose."

"If they kill my second child, I will know that it is an inside job, a hit job. The police are to blame," the father told ABC News. "Someone, some organization is out to get them."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-suspects-dad-tells-son-surrender-hell/story?id=18995936#.UXF3IMpfZ8E

[jimnyc]

Look at this guy, his kids likely running around with a bomb strapped to himself. and the father says it's an inside job if they kill him!!

[Abbey Marie]

I suspect the elder brother was a huge influence on the younger. And Daddy knows it.

[jimnyc]

According to a fellow student at University of Massachusetts - this is the Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/J_tsar

I think you need to have an account to view other accounts, not sure.

[WiccanLiberal]

Home sick from work today. So I am sitting on the sofa watching the coverage. I think Boston may be the only US city where, if you piss them off, they will shut down the entire place to find you. Seriously, I hope they catch this guy without further loss of life. And I mean his as well because I really want to hear him tell the world why he ever thought it was a good idea to perpetrate a bombing that killed and maimed innocent people. Then I want to see him locked away for the rest of his miserable life.

[Abbey Marie]

Home sick from work today. So I am sitting on the sofa watching the coverage. I think Boston may be the only US city where, if you piss them off, they will shut down the entire place to find you. Seriously, I hope they catch this guy without further loss of life. And I mean his as well because I really want to hear him tell the world why he ever thought it was a good idea to perpetrate a bombing that killed and maimed innocent people. Then I want to see him locked away for the rest of his miserable life.

With a white supremacist as a cell mate.

[Marcus Aurelius]

According to a fellow student at University of Massachusetts - this is the Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/J_tsar

I think you need to have an account to view other accounts, not sure.



Jahar ‏<s>@</s>J_tsar (https://twitter.com/J_tsar) <small class="time"> 15 Apr (https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/323997583372599297) </small> <s>@</s>MelloChamp (https://twitter.com/MelloChamp) and they what "god hates dead people?" Or victims of tragedies? Lol those people are cooked



Jahar ‏<s>@</s>J_tsar (https://twitter.com/J_tsar) <small class="time"> 17 Mar (https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/313334116521238528) </small> see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil until the morning alarm goes off and all hell unleashes




Oh, and for Jahil... proof the guy was MUSLIM...

Jahar ‏<s>@</s>J_tsar (https://twitter.com/J_tsar) <small class="time"> 31 Dec (https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/285657935605010432) </small> I meet the most amazing people, spent the day with this Jamaican Muslim convert who shared his whole story with me, my religion is the truth

[aboutime]

With a white supremacist as a cell mate.


Or Obama? Just LOCKED AWAY is fine.

[jimnyc]

I seriously hope he does in fact have a bomb strapped to himself, only large enough to blow his own head off. One down and one to go, they deserve nothing but death, IMO.

[tailfins]

With a white supremacist as a cell mate.

I hope the current administration has the wherewithal to apply the Federal death penalty in this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_go vernment


These are the offenses punishable by death or another punishment in the United States Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Code):[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_go vernment#cite_note-7)


Causing death by using a chemical weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_warfare)
Killing a member of the Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress), the Cabinet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cabinet) or United States Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States)
Kidnapping a member of the Congress, the Cabinet or Supreme Court resulting in death
Conspiracy to kill a member of the Congress, the Cabinet or Supreme Court resulting in death
Causing death by using an explosive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_material)
Causing death by using an illegal firearm
Genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)
First degree murder

Murder perpetrated by poison or lying in wait
Murder that is willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated
Murder in the perpetration of or in the attempt to perpetrate any arson, escape, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabotage), aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, or robbery
Murder perpetrated as part of a pattern or practice of assault or torture against a child or children


Murder committed by a federal prisoner or an escaped federal prisoner sentenced to 15 years to life or a more severe penalty
Assassinating the President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) or a member of his staff
Kidnapping the President or a member of his staff resulting in death
Killing persons aiding Federal investigations or State correctional officers
Sexual abuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse) resulting in death
Sexual exploitation of children resulting in death
Torture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture) resulting in death
War crimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime) resulting in death
Crimes Against Humanity
Large-scale drug trafficking
Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror, or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_Criminal_Enterprise), even if such killing does not occur.
Espionage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage)
Treason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason)

[jimnyc]

I hope the current administration has the wherewithal to apply the Federal death penalty in this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_go vernment

There is no doubt in my mind that this easily qualifies for the death penalty on the federal level. After 3 weeks behind a cell though, he'll have knuckleheads crying for his rights.

[NightTrain]

Now we need to see which mosque the two little shitheads attended and interview their buddies, especially the cleric or whoever the head muslim is in charge there.

These two idiots had help constructing the IEDs and planning the attack.

As far as the father, does he think the cops chasing his two little savages all over Boston last night were imagining the IEDs being thrown at them while being shot at? Or maybe they MacGyver'd up a few on the fly during the car chase with paper clips and a few McDonald's wrappers?

Guilty. Interrogate and then burial at sea.

[jimnyc]

Now we need to see which mosque the two little shitheads attended and interview their buddies, especially the cleric or whoever the head muslim is in charge there.

These two idiots had help constructing the IEDs and planning the attack.

As far as the father, does he think the cops chasing his two little savages all over Boston last night were imagining the IEDs being thrown at them while being shot at? Or maybe they MacGyver'd up a few on the fly during the car chase with paper clips and a few McDonald's wrappers?

Guilty. Interrogate and then burial at sea.


Apparently they tossed some IED's at the police during the chase last night as well. I'm starting to think of more involved, or helped to a certain extent.

[aboutime]

Now we need to see which mosque the two little shitheads attended and interview their buddies, especially the cleric or whoever the head muslim is in charge there.

These two idiots had help constructing the IEDs and planning the attack.

As far as the father, does he think the cops chasing his two little savages all over Boston last night were imagining the IEDs being thrown at them while being shot at? Or maybe they MacGyver'd up a few on the fly during the car chase with paper clips and a few McDonald's wrappers?

Guilty. Interrogate and then burial at sea.


But we can't use this......4879

[NightTrain]

The younger animal was granted U.S. Citizenship on 9/11/12.

Charming.


The older one was in Russia for an extended period of time last year. Training with fellow muslims, perhaps?

[Drummond]

I had this emailed to me a short time ago. All things considered ... maybe Jafar would like to break the habit of a lifetime, and just for once, give the merest smidgen of PRAISE to Israel, or at least, Israelis ... for .....

http://unitedwithisrael.org/boston-hospital-trained-by-israel-to-respond-to-terror/?inf_contact_key=5a109a41f3221eb6e9e997c29569cfb50 e2f2b037cc5a5728ce73a14dd42b14d


A doctor at Massachusetts General Hospital, where most of the victims of the Boston Marathon Terror attack received medical treatment, claimed that an Israeli team helped train them to respond to these kinds of terror attacks. During the Boston Marathon this year, two explosions took place which resulted in the murder of three people and the injury of at least 183 others. One of the victims was a Chinese national who studied at Boston University, while other victims included a 29-year-old restaurant manager and an eight-year-old child. An additional 13 people suffered from severe limb loss.

Were it not for Israeli training, the medical team at Massachusetts General Hospital might have been less prepared to deal with this situation. According to Alasdair Conn, Chief of Emergency Services at Massachusetts General Hospital, “About two years ago in actual fact we asked the Israelis to come across and they helped us set up our disaster team so that we could respond in this kind of manner. A few years ago we wanted to upgrade our emergency response to things like explosions, and unfortunately Israel was dealing with several types of [these incidents] a year… and we had to upgrade our response.”

[jimnyc]

Russia's Caucasus: breeding ground for terrorMAKHACHKALA, Russia (AP) — Militants from Chechnya and other restive provinces in Russia's volatile North Caucasus have targeted Moscow and other areas with bombings and hostage-takings, but if it turns out that the suspects in the Boston bombings are linked to those insurgencies it would mark the first time the Russian conflict had spawned a major terror attack in the United States.

The suspects were identified by law enforcement officials and family members as Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, ethnic Chechens with ties to the Russian region. There was no immediate information of their links, if any, to any insurgent group.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed in a gun battle with police in Massachusetts overnight, officials said. His 19-year-old brother escaped.

Before moving to the United States, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev lived briefly in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim republic that has become the epicenter of the Islamic insurgency that spilled over from Chechnya. On his page on the social networking site VKontakte, Tsarnaev said he attended School No. 1 from 1999 until 2001.

The principal of School No. 1 in Makhachkala, Irina Bandurina, told the AP that Tsarnaev left for the U.S. in March 2002.

The suspects' father, who lives in Makhachkala, told the AP his younger son was a second-year medical student and "a true angel."

The conflict in Chechnya began in 1994 as a separatist war, but quickly morphed into an Islamic insurgency dedicated to carving out an independent Islamic state in the Caucasus.

Russian troops withdrew from Chechnya in 1996 after the first Chechen war, leaving it de-facto independent and largely lawless, but then rolled back three years later following apartment building explosions in Moscow and other cities blamed on the rebels.

Chechnya has stabilized under the steely grip of Kremlin-backed local strongman Ramzan Kadyrov, a former rebel whose forces have been accused of massive rights abuses. But the Islamic insurgency has spread to neighboring provinces, with Dagestan, sandwiched between Chechnya and the Caspian Sea, becoming the epicenter of violence with militants launching daily attacks against police and other authorities.

Militants from Chechnya and neighboring provinces have carried out a long series of terror attacks in Russia, including a 2002 hostage-taking raid in a Moscow theater, in which 129 hostages died, a 2004 hostage-taking in a school in the southern city of Beslan that killed more than 330 people, and numerous bombings in Moscow and other cities.

The Obama administration placed Chechen warlord Doku Umarov on a list of terrorist leaders after he claimed responsibility for March 2010 double suicide bombings on Moscow's subway that killed 40 and a November 2009 train bombing that claimed 26 lives.

In recent years, however, militants in Chechnya, Dagestan and other neighboring provinces have largely refrained from attacks outside the Caucasus.

Russian officials and experts have claimed that rebels in Chechnya had close links with al-Qaida. They said that dozens of fighters from Arab countries trickled into Chechnya during the fighting there, while some Chechen militants have gone to fight in Afghanistan.

The U.S. has long urged Russia's government and separatist elements in Chechnya not aligned with al-Qaida or other terrorist organizations to seek a political settlement.

http://news.yahoo.com/russias-caucasus-breeding-ground-terror-113721792.html

[Thunderknuckles]

There was an image circulating of Tamerlan at the morgue. Not sure if it is real or not but it certainly looks like him.
Fair warning: Don't click if you are the squeemish type. Hide the kids. This is very graphic stuff.

http://i.imgur.com/0U0ozqt.jpg

[Marcus Aurelius]

There was an image circulating of Tamerlan at the morgue. Not sure if it is real or not but it certainly looks like him.
Fair warning: Don't click if you are the squeemish type. Hide the kids. This is very graphic stuff.

http://i.imgur.com/0U0ozqt.jpg

if it's him, he got off easy.

[jimnyc]

I read in an article about an hour ago that there was a picture circulating, and police authorities have already confirmed it's the real deal. It's at the morgue, a kid took it there, and the big slice and damage is from the bomb he had strapped to himself.

[Robert A Whit]

It appears they are brothers from Russia, here in the States legally. Rumor has it from a few sites that they are followers of Islam, but that could be made up rumors at this point... I also read that the first bomber may have blown himself up. Massive hunt on for the second bomber.



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_CONVERGE_MASS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-19-07-09-32

I am watching the family anguish and ask for any proof.

We have one youth dead and no proof.

What is the matter with the FBI. They show them on film walking. So far as I know, walking is not a crime.

As the family says,

Where is proof?

We have men locked up that are innocent. Some finally get released.

This is a rush to judgment unless the government shows proof.

[jimnyc]

Oh boy, even with all of the evidence, their Aunt is now claiming it's staged:

Aunt of Suspects Accuses Feds of Set-Up
"Where is the evidence?" she asked.
"I'm suspicious that this was staged."

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lSawGS1MvvY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jimnyc http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=632220#post632220)
It appears they are brothers from Russia, here in the States legally. Rumor has it from a few sites that they are followers of Islam, but that could be made up rumors at this point... I also read that the first bomber may have blown himself up. Massive hunt on for the second bomber.



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...04-19-07-09-32 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_CONVERGE_MASS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-19-07-09-32)


I am watching the family anguish and ask for any proof.

We have one youth dead and no proof.

What is the matter with the FBI. They show them on film walking. So far as I know, walking is not a crime.

As the family says,

Where is proof?

We have men locked up that are innocent. Some finally get released.

This is a rush to judgment unless the government shows proof.

yeah, innocent people get into shootouts with the police, throw bombs at them, and accidentally blow themselves up all the fucking time.

You are such a dumb ass.

[jimnyc]

I am watching the family anguish and ask for any proof.

We have one youth dead and no proof.

What is the matter with the FBI. They show them on film walking. So far as I know, walking is not a crime.

As the family says,

Where is proof?

We have men locked up that are innocent. Some finally get released.

This is a rush to judgment unless the government shows proof.

There IS proof of them killing a cop at MIT. There IS proof of them robbing a store under the threat of guns and a bomb. There IS proof that they carjacked a car, and let the driver go a half an hour later. There IS proof that they tossed grenades and IED's at cops, and hurt up to 14 of them in total. There IS proof that they shot a suspect, who then pulled the trigger and blew himself up.

Then add in their photo's at the marathon, with backpacks, then without backpacks, leaving one at the second bomb scene - and their actions when they were outed by the FBI last night.

[Robert A Whit]

All the evidence?

What evidence?

My god. They said it was some kid. Then he called the cops and was not guilty.

Where is the evidence?

I have the news on. They are not showing evidence.

The cops shot a guy. What for?

[Marcus Aurelius]

All the evidence?

What evidence?

My god. They said it was some kid. Then he called the cops and was not guilty.

Where is the evidence?

I have the news on. They are not showing evidence.

The cops shot a guy. What for?

you have GOT to be fucking kidding.

[Robert A Whit]

There IS proof of them killing a cop at MIT. There IS proof of them robbing a store under the threat of guns and a bomb. There IS proof that they carjacked a car, and let the driver go a half an hour later. There IS proof that they tossed grenades and IED's at cops, and hurt up to 14 of them in total. There IS proof that they shot a suspect, who then pulled the trigger and blew himself up.

Then add in their photo's at the marathon, with backpacks, then without backpacks, leaving one at the second bomb scene - and their actions when they were outed by the FBI last night.

Funny that ABC is not showing any of that.

Where are you finding all this proof?

I know a cop was killed.

But where is the proof it was these guys?

I have not seen one bit of what you claim.

[jimnyc]

The cops shot a guy. What for?

For killing a cop, tossing grenades at other cops, and then an IED, shooting at them again... Is that not enough reason for the police to return fire at him?

[jimnyc]

Funny that ABC is not showing any of that.

Where are you finding all this proof?

I know a cop was killed.

But where is the proof it was these guys?

I have not seen one bit of what you claim.

I'm sure tons of the police have the chase on camera. There have been a shitload of eyewitnesses to events from last night til just now on TV, telling what they witnessed. And maybe the guy who was carjacked, and the store that was robbed by a man with a bomb strapped to himself, not proof? LOL

[Robert A Whit]

you have GOT to be fucking kidding.

All you had to do is supply proof.

I watched the family ask the same thing.

Why won't they show proof?

[jimnyc]

They HAVE shown the proof to people that have been paying attention. Here is a start, read a few, watch a few, read some more...

<tt><tt>Black hat Tamerlan dead... (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_CONVERGE_MASS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-19-06-18-15)
Brothers from Russia region near Chechnya.... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-sources-boston-bomb-suspects-from-russia-region-near-chechnya-lived-in-us-at-least-1-year/2013/04/19/761ede36-a8dd-11e2-9e1c-bb0fb0c2edd9_story.html)
Bragged of Bombing... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/massive-police-operation-under-way-in-boston/2013/04/19/979ec6dc-a8c6-11e2-a8e2-5b98cb59187f_print.html)
Dead suspect was 'very religious' Muslim boxer... (http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/19/dead-boston-bombing-suspect-was-a-very-religious-muslim-boxer/)
REPORT: Could have been deported... (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/04/boston-bomber-could-have-been-deported-after-2009-conviction/)
Became American citizen on Sept. 11... (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/report-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-in-custody-second-at-large/)
THE PHOTOS... (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:UrJiMrV1lvIJ:www.photoshelter.com/gallery/-/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American.

Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.

Tamerlan says he loves the movie "Borat," even though some of the jokes are a bit too much.

Tamerlan says he doesn't usually take his shirt off so girls don't get bad ideas: "I'm very religious."

Tamerlan says he doesn't drink or smoke anymore: "God said no alcohol." A Muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."

Tamerlan says his girlfriend is half Portuguese, half Italian and converted to Islam: "She's beautiful, man!"

A native of Chechnya, Tamerlan says: "In Russia, we used to train like this. Here nobody does it, I don't know why!"
'I Don't Have A Single American Friend'... (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/marathon-bombing-suspect-i-dont-have-a-single-american-friend)
Uncle: Men Lived In Cambridge Together For Decade; 'Absolutely Deserved' To Die... (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/bombing-suspects-uncle-says-hes-shocked/)
Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, on loose... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-surviving-boston-bomb-suspect-identified-as-dzhokhar-a-tsarnaev-19-of-cambridge-mass/2013/04/19/5d9de6ee-a8de-11e2-9e1c-bb0fb0c2edd9_story.html)
PROFILE? 'WORLD VIEW: ISLAM'... (http://vk.com/id160300242)
Appears Sympathetic to Al Qaeda... (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/boston-bomber-posted-video-black-flags-khorasan_718071.html)
TIMELINE: Bombs strapped to chest, men robbed 7-Eleven... (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17817173-one-boston-marathon-suspect-killed-second-suspect-his-brother-on-loose-after-firefight?lite)
Suspects threw explosives at cops before shootout... (http://live.reuters.com/Event/Watertown)
VIDEO... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqo1Ad6spkY)
Black Hat may have blown himself up... (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-explosion-boston-doctor-idUSBRE93I0C820130419)
POLICE SCANNER: Trigger found on body; At-large bomber 'may be wearing suicide vest'... (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/boston-marathon-bombers-mit-shootout-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-suicide-18996589)
Residents Told to Lock Doors... No Fly Zone in Place... (http://abcnews.go.com/US/watertown-mass-shut-manhunt-boston-marathon-suspect/story?id=18995545#.UXE4IbXqmxU)
Mass transit shut in Boston... (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/19/live-blog-police-action-in-boston/?hpt=hp_t1)
Harvard closed... (http://www.harvard.edu/emergency)
CITY A GHOST TOWN... (http://www.masslive.com/news/boston/index.ssf/2013/04/boston_in_lockdown_for_manhunt.html)
BOSTON.COM UPDATES... (http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square)
REUTERS... (http://live.reuters.com/Event/Watertown)
WHDH-TV... (http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive) FOX25... (http://www.myfoxboston.com/category/262392/boston-marathon) WCVB... (http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon) WBZ... (http://boston.cbslocal.com/live-video/) WRKO-AM... (http://player.tritonmedia.com/entercom/WRKOAM)
Chechen President Says American Upbringing to Blame... (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chechen-president-says-american-upbringing-blame_718098.html)</tt></tt>

[fj1200]

Why won't they show proof?

It's been four days and they don't typically try people in the media.

[jimnyc]

They have a lot of info here too:

http://www.fbi.gov/

[Robert A Whit]

I'm sure tons of the police have the chase on camera. There have been a shitload of eyewitnesses to events from last night til just now on TV, telling what they witnessed. And maybe the guy who was carjacked, and the store that was robbed by a man with a bomb strapped to himself, not proof? LOL

Funny that George Stephanopolis is all over this story and is not showing a bit of proof.

What news are you hearing this from?

Hey, I don't know them. They are apparently Chechyans but I ask for some sort of proof.

Maybe you can supply it.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Funny that ABC is not showing any of that.

Where are you finding all this proof?

I know a cop was killed.

But where is the proof it was these guys?

I have not seen one bit of what you claim.

lying sack of crap.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/one-boston-marathon-suspect-dead-second-run-police-say/story?id=18994511#.UXGT3UrJJeA


One suspect in this week's deadly Boston Marathon bombing (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/live-updates-boston-bombing-suspect-dead-in-shootout/) died today after a police shootout, and a second suspect, identified by officials as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, remains at large and the subject of a manhunt, police said early this morning.


At an early afternoon press conference, police revealed they had discovered an explosive device in a house in Cambridge that will be purposefully detonated later today.


Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, 26, was killed after he and his brother exchanged gunfire with police officers early today, police said. Multiple explosive devices were detonated during the firefight.


let me guess, dumbass... it's all faked, right?

[jimnyc]

It's been four days and they don't typically try people in the media.

We'll get what they media can pry open, some details from authorities and some from eyewitnesses and some cameras. A lot of it will then be saved for court, like actual police video showing a chase and subsequent shootout.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=632320#post632320)
you have GOT to be fucking kidding.





All you had to do is supply proof.

I watched the family ask the same thing.

Why won't they show proof?

see post 56, dumb ass.

[jimnyc]

Funny that George Stephanopolis is all over this story and is not showing a bit of proof.

What news are you hearing this from?

Hey, I don't know them. They are apparently Chechyans but I ask for some sort of proof.

Maybe you can supply it.

Oh well, I'm sorry the channels you are watching over the past few days aren't showing what the rest of the world now knows. Either way, I don't give a damn if you don't like the proof you've seen on whatever you're watching. Ta Ta!

[Thunderknuckles]

I don't think Robert will believe it until he sees video footage of the shootout with Tamerlan shouting out his name and social security number

[Robert A Whit]

I don't think Robert will believe it until he sees video footage of the shootout with Tamerlan shouting out his name and social security number

One of you by this time would have shown me proof.

All I ask for is the proof.
Come on guys

Show proof.

I want them to be the bombers and the two that killed the cop. It would mean the cops did a great job and got the right guys.

Where is the proof?

All I see are reporters acting as if these are the guys.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/one-boston-marathon-suspect-dead-second-run-police-say/story?id=18994511#.UXGT3UrJJeA


One police officer, 33-year-old Richard Donohue Jr., was also injured in the firefight and is in critical condition at a hospital.

Who shot this police office, dumbass?

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/one-boston-marathon-suspect-dead-second-run-police-say/story?id=18994511&page=2#.UXGZkkrJJeA


Federal law enforcement sources told ABC News the suspects admitted their role in the Boston Marathon bombing to the carjacking victim.

let me guess, New Jahil... they didn't 'really' confess.

[Abbey Marie]

Funny that ABC is not showing any of that.

Where are you finding all this proof?

I know a cop was killed.

But where is the proof it was these guys?

I have not seen one bit of what you claim.

Robert, for goodness sake, they are still trying to capture the second guy. Do you want them to stop looking and put together a slide show to prove to you this is what happened? I don't understand why anyone would immediately jump to the conclusion that hundreds of law enforcment personnel from different departments are making stuff up.

[Marcus Aurelius]

They said explosions. you don't claim you heard any explosions. Why not?

Link to witness who heard the explosions during the chase at night...
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2311212966001/

Let me guess, New Jahil, he's lying, right?

[Robert A Whit]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Robert A Whit http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=632321#post632321)
Funny that ABC is not showing any of that.

Where are you finding all this proof?

I know a cop was killed.

But where is the proof it was these guys?

I have not seen one bit of what you claim.


Robert, for goodness sake, they are still trying to capture the second guy. Do you want them to stop looking and put together a slide show to prove to you this is what happened? I don't understand why anyone would immediately jump to the conclusion that hundreds of law enforcment personnel from different departments are making stuff up.

Abbey, this is one reason I like you so much. You are decent. You ask great questions. You did not attack me.

Thank you.

I am only asking things. Maybe this guy did bomb the marathon. I saw one explosion Monday on TV clearly enough to notice it was from inside the storefront. I think it might have been a small restaurant. But the explosion came from inside and not from the street. I did not see the second one clearly enough to tell if it came from inside a store or elsewhere.

Now, we find out that the reports are a 7/11 store was robbed. But the store owner denies that. I am trying to figure out why some cop at MIT got shot. I have driven by MIT. It makes no sense some Cop on campus was shot by a bomber. I know the cop was shot, but only ask for proof it was by these two guys. We have a board narcissist from PA who claims he knows it all and he fights rather than posts. Here is what I fear. The cops will kill the second kid and we won't find out the truth. Cops talk of devices tossed. Where are those photos. They show devices that blew up on Monday. Where are the devices tossed yesterday evening? i know they are hunting this kid. And so far I have seen no cops reports. I just saw the kids with the backpack on. I looked closely at the back packs and for the life of me they look almost flat. And how can you get a pressure cooker bomb in a back pack that looks flat? Do you have any back packs that can carry pressure cookers? And finally, I am getting all my news from CBS right now and earlier on ABC. But bear in mind, I am not saying the boys are innocent. But why even have a jury if we all know they are guilty? I worry the media may have the wrong persons and if I am correct, the actual bombers can escape. What if these boys did not do this? Can't you even consider this?

Abbey, based on photos ... of suspects I remind you ... just suspects, those kids who came from the former Soviet Union, seeing themselves as suspects, may have been scared they would be gunned down.

Maybe they are guilty. But since this is a discussion board, all I am discussing is show us proof. I would lo see the photos of those devices tossed last night. We saw cookers from the bombing on Monday.

I don't know why a person asking for truth gets called bad names on this forum as i did. I am only asking that the truth come out before this kid is killed and no lawyer can talk to him.

[Abbey Marie]

Robert first, thanks for the kind words.

I think that tweets and cell phone and computer data once recovered will tell us all we need to know about these two. In the meantime, as in any ongoing criminal case, I think we need to give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt that they are following good leads, and time to catch perp #2.

And in this case more than almost any I've ever seen, the evidence is daunting already against these two. But I have learnd over the years that you can't reason with people bent on seeing corruption and conspiracies.

[aboutime]

Your New Jahil tendencies are showing.


Marcus. Just wondering. Did those police officers who had explosives thrown at them...last night think ahead?
You know? As someone has suggested....having a video of what took place. Like having the photographers from "COPS"
with them...just in case they needed a story to report...later on???
How dare any police force fail to have a camera crew with them during such dangerous times?

What should we do now?

Will someone sue the police for not taking the right photo's???

Film..I mean...Video at ELEVEN.

[Abbey Marie]

Marcus. Just wondering. Did those police officers who had explosives thrown at them...last night think ahead?
You know? As someone has suggested....having a video of what took place. Like having the photographers from "COPS"
with them...just in case they needed a story to report...later on???
How dare any police force fail to have a camera crew with them during such dangerous times?

What should we do now?

Will someone sue the police for not taking the right photo's???

Film..I mean...Video at ELEVEN.

Actually, I'll bet there are some dashboard cameras that will reveal footage. We need to give them time to do their jobs. I really dislike the way we as a country demand immediate answers to everything. People need to chill. (I know you aren't doing this).

[Robert A Whit]

Robert first, thanks for the kind words.

I think that tweets and cell phone and computer data once recovered will tell us all we need to know about these two. In the meantime, as in any ongoing criminal case, I think we need to give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt that they are following good leads, and time to catch perp #2.

And in this case more than almost any I've ever seen, the evidence is daunting already against these two. But I have learnd over the years that you can't reason with people bent on seeing corruption and conspiracies.

Abbey, over and over, I wish the forum was full of people just like you. I did not expect a vicious attack by Nightrain and he smeared me yesterday. I tried to get some help but got none at all. I learned it does no good to report insults to the staff.

Abouttime whines he can't post, then he posts. Mark has attacked.

You ask great questions. But some of these others do nothing more than attack. Makes you wonder why they get away with it.

I agree with you that the media has this looking bad for the boys. But I ask for little more than what a jury would ask for. I don't happen to think the media always is honest. I see too much rush to judgement by the media. Maybe it is for ratings. This to me is not a conspiracy. I don't believe cops shoot at people for the fun of it. Maybe it is too early for the facts to come out but so far, it looks to me like the media has tried these two boys and pronounced they did the bombing on monday. I simply ask the questions a jury will ask, if the kid lives that is.

[Abbey Marie]

Seems there's evidence of their religion and their disaffection:



...
2008-2009: Tamerlan is studying engineering at Bunker Hill Community College when he is profiled by photographer Johannes Hirn. In that profile, Tamerlan says he is
devoutly religious, has abandoned smoking and drinking, and rips into
the United States. “I’m very religious,” he explains. “There are no
values anymore … People can’t control themselves.”

2009: Tamerlan fights in the Golden Gloves tournament in Salt Lake City, loses. That same
year, he is arrested for assault in a domestic dispute with his girlfriend.
2010: According to the aunt of the suspects, Maret Tsarnaeva, Tamerlan fathers a 3-year-old daughter. There is no confirming evidence of this. That same year, Tamerlan tells a Boston University student magainze: “I don’t have a single American friend. I don’t understand them.”

2011: According to Maret, Tamerlan begins practicing Islam religiously and praying five times per day.
2011: Dzhokhar graduates from Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, listed as a Greater Boston
League Winter All-Star Wrestler. He goes on to the University of
Massachusetts, studying to be a dentist. Dzhokhar wins a $2,500 scholarship from the City of Cambridge.

August 2012: Ashraful Rahman, a current senior at Cambridge Rindge and Latin, says he saw Dzhokhar at around this time during Ramadan at mosque. ““Regardless of whether
you knew him as well as I did, as someone who wrestled with him, hung
out and chilled with him or whether you were people who saw him the
hallway, he was always the same — a generally nice guy,” said Rahman.
...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/19/Timeline-brothers-Boston

[jimnyc]

Abbey, this is one reason I like you so much. You are decent. You ask great questions. You did not attack me.

Thank you.

I am only asking things. Maybe this guy did bomb the marathon. I saw one explosion Monday on TV clearly enough to notice it was from inside the storefront. I think it might have been a small restaurant. But the explosion came from inside and not from the street. I did not see the second one clearly enough to tell if it came from inside a store or elsewhere.

Now, we find out that the reports are a 7/11 store was robbed. But the store owner denies that. I am trying to figure out why some cop at MIT got shot. I have driven by MIT. It makes no sense some Cop on campus was shot by a bomber. I know the cop was shot, but only ask for proof it was by these two guys. We have a board narcissist from PA who claims he knows it all and he fights rather than posts. Here is what I fear. The cops will kill the second kid and we won't find out the truth. Cops talk of devices tossed. Where are those photos. They show devices that blew up on Monday. Where are the devices tossed yesterday evening? i know they are hunting this kid. And so far I have seen no cops reports. I just saw the kids with the backpack on. I looked closely at the back packs and for the life of me they look almost flat. And how can you get a pressure cooker bomb in a back pack that looks flat? Do you have any back packs that can carry pressure cookers? And finally, I am getting all my news from CBS right now and earlier on ABC. But bear in mind, I am not saying the boys are innocent. But why even have a jury if we all know they are guilty? I worry the media may have the wrong persons and if I am correct, the actual bombers can escape. What if these boys did not do this? Can't you even consider this?

Abbey, based on photos ... of suspects I remind you ... just suspects, those kids who came from the former Soviet Union, seeing themselves as suspects, may have been scared they would be gunned down.

Maybe they are guilty. But since this is a discussion board, all I am discussing is show us proof. I would lo see the photos of those devices tossed last night. We saw cookers from the bombing on Monday.

I don't know why a person asking for truth gets called bad names on this forum as i did. I am only asking that the truth come out before this kid is killed and no lawyer can talk to him.



Please STOP with the coloring of posts.

[Marcus Aurelius]

have they caught the little wack job yet?

[NightTrain]

Not yet... but it looks like tens of thousands of armed officials are tearing apart that part of Boston.

They'll find him cowering in a hole just like when Saddam the Lion was cornered.

[NightTrain]

Actually, I'll bet there are some dashboard cameras that will reveal footage. We need to give them time to do their jobs. I really dislike the way we as a country demand immediate answers to everything. People need to chill. (I know you aren't doing this).


There will be some awesome coverage of that chase... looking forward to seeing it.

[Abbey Marie]

There will be some awesome coverage of that chase... looking forward to seeing it.

:thumb:

I would think the younger brother is injured, with all that shooting going on.

Also, I am wondering if the older brother made himself a target/decoy, so the younger one could escape. It might explain why he is full of holes, yet bro escaped.

[hjmick]

I don't think Robert will believe it until he sees video footage of the shootout with Tamerlan shouting out his name and social security number

He won't believe it until he's the one that posts it...

[NightTrain]

:thumb:

I would think the younger brother is injured, with all that shooting going on.

Also, I am wondering if the older brother made himself a target/decoy, so the younger one could escape. It might explain why he is full of holes, yet bro escaped.


I saw an interview with a medical person at the hospital and he said in addition to lots of bullet holes, there was obvious explosive trauma as well.

Probably got shot and couldn't get rid of the activated IED fast enough.

[hjmick]

I saw an interview with a medical person at the hospital and he said in addition to lots of bullet holes, there was obvious explosive trauma as well.

Probably got shot and couldn't get rid of the activated IED fast enough.

<a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/tamerlan-tsarnaev-post-mortem-photo-478612" target="_blank">**WARNING GRAPHIC** Corpse picture leaked online... (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/tamerlan-tsarnaev-post-mortem-photo-478612)

[NightTrain]

**WARNING GRAPHIC** Corpse picture leaked online... (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/tamerlan-tsarnaev-post-mortem-photo-478612)


Wow! The purple color on his face and shoulder would be flash burns from the explosion?

Nukey or Trigg could probably answer that one...

[jimnyc]

Wow! The purple color on his face and shoulder would be flash burns from the explosion?

Nukey or Trigg could probably answer that one...

That's what I figured it was when I saw it. I hope it hurt a lot too!

[Robert A Whit]

Seems there's evidence of their religion and their disaffection:


...
2008-2009: Tamerlan is studying engineering at Bunker Hill Community College when he is profiled by photographer Johannes Hirn. In that profile, Tamerlan says he is
devoutly religious, has abandoned smoking and drinking, and rips into
the United States. “I’m very religious,” he explains. “There are no
values anymore … People can’t control themselves.”

2009: Tamerlan fights in the Golden Gloves tournament in Salt Lake City, loses. That same
year, he is arrested for assault in a domestic dispute with his girlfriend.
2010: According to the aunt of the suspects, Maret Tsarnaeva, Tamerlan fathers a 3-year-old daughter. There is no confirming evidence of this. That same year, Tamerlan tells a Boston University student magainze: “I don’t have a single American friend. I don’t understand them.”

2011: According to Maret, Tamerlan begins practicing Islam religiously and praying five times per day.
2011: Dzhokhar graduates from Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, listed as a Greater Boston
League Winter All-Star Wrestler. He goes on to the University of
Massachusetts, studying to be a dentist. Dzhokhar wins a $2,500 scholarship from the City of Cambridge.

August 2012: Ashraful Rahman, a current senior at Cambridge Rindge and Latin, says he saw Dzhokhar at around this time during Ramadan at mosque. ““Regardless of whether
you knew him as well as I did, as someone who wrestled with him, hung
out and chilled with him or whether you were people who saw him the
hallway, he was always the same — a generally nice guy,” said Rahman.
...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...rothers-Boston (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/19/Timeline-brothers-Boston)


I am hearing on TV on PBS that these boys are alleged to be very kind, to have hearts of gold.

That people who know both of them praise them.

I get attacked over being a LDS and called a moron.

I have reported that a former Muslim I used to talk to a lot said that Muslim is a violent religon. But so many that know these boys are shocked. They are praising them both.

The one that boxed was called very good.

I have posted of innocents locked up and found innocent.

We must try to be rational and not just assume blame. I have no idea why they and the cops got into a gun fight.

But then I stop to think, what if your picture was put out by the FBI over being where a race was and bombing was. . I see no actual evidence a jury would accept saying the to did the bombing on monday.

I will be more than happy to say they are guilty once a jury says they are. But even so, juries have made many tragic errors too.

We must be rational about this.

[NightTrain]

That's what I figured it was when I saw it. I hope it hurt a lot too!


Indeed.

I hope it was excruciating.

I'm doubly hopeful that the younger animal is wounded in that dumpster he's hiding in.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I am hearing on TV on PBS that these boys are alleged to be very kind, to have hearts of gold.

That people who know both of them praise them.

I get attacked over being a LDS and called a moron.

I have reported that a former Muslim I used to talk to a lot said that Muslim is a violent religon. But so many that know these boys are shocked. They are praising them both.

The one that boxed was called very good.

I have posted of innocents locked up and found innocent.

We must try to be rational and not just assume blame. I have no idea why they and the cops got into a gun fight.

But then I stop to think, what if your picture was put out by the FBI over being where a race was and bombing was. . I see no actual evidence a jury would accept saying the to did the bombing on monday.

I will be more than happy to say they are guilty once a jury says they are. But even so, juries have made many tragic errors too.

We must be rational about this.

No one attacked you for being a Mormon. You were called a moron, Get used to it.

I find it highly amusing that you believe reports about how nice, kind and innocent these two are, yet you refuse to believe reports that they were involved in the bombings.

Oh, and I thought you claimed there was no proof of a police shootout with the suspects.

[aboutime]

No one attacked you for being a Mormon. You were called a moron, Get used to it.

I find it highly amusing that you believe reports about how nice, kind and innocent these two are, yet you refuse to believe reports that they were involved in the bombings.

Oh, and I thought you claimed there was no proof of a police shootout with the suspects.


Marcus. Shame on us. We forgot that ROBERT was far more intelligent than The Mass. State Police, FBI, Boston, and Watertown Police departments combined. Of course. None of those agencies have any information that compares to the opinions of One Member of this Forum.
We all need to step back and allow MENSA members to take charge of the investigation in Mass. That will solve everything right away.

[Marcus Aurelius]

FOX NEWS says they gave him trapped in a covered boat in a backyard.

Sources claim he has surrendered.


http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/

[aboutime]

FOX NEWS says they gave him trapped in a covered boat in a backyard.

Sources claim he has surrendered.


http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/


Surrounded, but not surrendered....Yet!

[Marcus Aurelius]

FOX NEWS just said 'We clearly heard the police say 'Suspect in custody... suspect in custody... we got him'

[Marcus Aurelius]

maybe we'll be lucky and he'll hang himself in his cell.

[hjmick]

FOX NEWS just said 'We clearly heard the police say 'Suspect in custody... suspect in custody... we got him'

How long, do you think, before Obama takes credit?

[jimnyc]

They say he has lost a lot of blood. Now that he's already in custody, I hope they can prevent him from dying. Let him face State and Federal charges. His Aunt's and other relatives rants about anything being "staged" is laughable. I hope he confesses to all of the crimes looking for leniency, just before they find him guilty and sentence him to death. I hope it's quick too and we don't pay to keep him in prison for too long.

[Missileman]

They say he has lost a lot of blood. Now that he's already in custody, I hope they can prevent him from dying. Let him face State and Federal charges. His Aunt's and other relatives rants about anything being "staged" is laughable. I hope he confesses to all of the crimes looking for leniency, just before they find him guilty and sentence him to death. I hope it's quick too and we don't pay to keep him in prison for too long.

The aunt is an idiot. She was yelling "show me the proof they were involved" over and over. Shootouts with cops that also involved explosives doesn't make the case for her.

[Marcus Aurelius]

They say he has lost a lot of blood. Now that he's already in custody, I hope they can prevent him from dying. Let him face State and Federal charges. His Aunt's and other relatives rants about anything being "staged" is laughable. I hope he confesses to all of the crimes looking for leniency, just before they find him guilty and sentence him to death. I hope it's quick too and we don't pay to keep him in prison for too long.

I'm ok with letting the little fucker bleed to death.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Hey Auntie... your nephew? The suspect who died?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUtdXzBSVaU

[logroller]

The aunt is an idiot. She was yelling "show me the proof they were involved" over and over. Shootouts with cops that also involved explosives doesn't make the case for her.
I know right? car-jacking and throwing IEDs at cops just screams "wrongly accused"... and with no less then five LE jurisdictions and countless individuals involved, the path to a conspiracy theory would put the moon landing to shame. Might as well ask the aunt for their birth certificates, as such lunacy most certainly draws into question whether her nephews were ever born. "What's nephews? Prove it."

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Home sick from work today. So I am sitting on the sofa watching the coverage. I think Boston may be the only US city where, if you piss them off, they will shut down the entire place to find you. Seriously, I hope they catch this guy without further loss of life. And I mean his as well because I really want to hear him tell the world why he ever thought it was a good idea to perpetrate a bombing that killed and maimed innocent people. Then I want to see him locked away for the rest of his miserable life.

Hope you get to feeling better real soon WiccanLiberal.

Not me, I want to see the bastard beat to death with a bag full of hammers. Even better if I am picked to supply the beating tool and do the job!! - :beer:-Tyr

JUST THINKING OF THAT LITTLE 8 YEAR OLD BOY...makes me want to kill the bastard and ALL like him myself!
I am a vengeful SOB when angry... always have been!!!

[Marcus Aurelius]

I know right? car-jacking and throwing IEDs at cops just screams "wrongly accused"... and with no less then five LE jurisdictions and countless individuals involved, the path to a conspiracy theory would put the moon landing to shame. Might as well ask the aunt for their birth certificates, as such lunacy most certainly draws into question whether her nephews were ever born. "What's nephews? Prove it."

according to one poster who shall remain stupid, er, nameless, there is no proof the suspect actually did any of that. Sure, there were some media reports and such, but where's the video of the car chase showing the suspect shooting at police or throwing bombs?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

They say he has lost a lot of blood. Now that he's already in custody, I hope they can prevent him from dying. Let him face State and Federal charges. His Aunt's and other relatives rants about anything being "staged" is laughable. I hope he confesses to all of the crimes looking for leniency, just before they find him guilty and sentence him to death. I hope it's quick too and we don't pay to keep him in prison for too long.

Hate to burst your bubble Jim but --say how dead is that Major(remember him and his shoot 'em up?)??
What?, you say he is alive and not even found guilty yet...
Think about it... neither terrorist will be put to death, I bet you 20 bucks..-Tyr

[aboutime]

Hope you get to feeling better real soon WiccanLiberal.

Not me, I want to see the bastard beat to death with a bag full of hammers. Even better if I am picked to supply the beating tool and do the job!! - :beer:-Tyr

JUST THINKING OF THAT LITTLE 8 YEAR OLD BOY...makes me want to kill the bastard and ALL like him myself!
I am a vengeful SOB when angry... always have been!!!


Tyr. BEFORE we all get our chance to smack that bastard around, and ruin his last days on Earth.
We first need to learn as much as we can from him before OBAMA and Company...make him out to be the VICTIM,
and Holder nominates this punk kid for a Nobel Prize in TERRORISM for DUMMIES. Ya know. Like the Prize Obama won???
4887

[logroller]

according to one poster who shall remain stupid, er, nameless, there is no proof the suspect actually did any of that. Sure, there were some media reports and such, but where's the video of the car chase showing the suspect shooting at police or throwing bombs?
Well it takes time to manufacture, er, I mean, produce that evidence. I still want proof that they were ever alive. If there a conspiracy afloat, the aunt needs to prove she's not in on it.:lol:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

How long, do you think, before Obama takes credit?

By morning media will be praising the no good lying bastard like a long lost son returned to hearth and home... Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr. BEFORE we all get our chance to smack that bastard around, and ruin his last days on Earth.
We first need to learn as much as we can from him before OBAMA and Company...make him out to be the VICTIM,
and Holder nominates this punk kid for a Nobel Prize in TERRORISM for DUMMIES. Ya know. Like the Prize Obama won???
4887

You mean whisk him away like they did the Major and treat him like a poor little victim...Going to be hard to call this one-- ffing dumbass "workplace violence" ...but leave it to da bamster that boy gotz wayzs..--Tyr

[jimnyc]

What's next: The interrogation of the Boston bombing suspectThe arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev ended the manhunt for the Boston Marathon bombers, but it set in motion an equally intense phase of the case that will begin with the grilling of the man who – for now at least – is the only surviving suspect.

An indication of the complex investigation ahead came Friday night, when an Obama administration official told NBC News that Tsarnaev would not be given a Miranda warning when he is physically able to be interrogated after receiving medical treatment.

Instead, the official said, the government will invoke a legal rule known as the "public safety exception," which will enable investigators to question Tsarnaev without first advising him of his right to remain silent and to be afforded legal counsel.

The exemption can be invoked when information is needed to protect public safety. In this instance, the government believes it's vital to find out if Tsarnaev planted any other explosives before his capture or whether others might have plotted with him to do so, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Tsarnaev’s older brother, Tamerlan, was killed in a shootout with police early Friday, and it was not clear until late Friday that authorities would be able to question their remaining prime suspect.

Until shortly before his capture around 8:45 p.m. ET, the wounded and bleeding Tsarnaev exchanged gunfire with authorities in Watertown, Mass., while sheltering in a plastic-wrapped pleasure boat.

Officers on the scene and the brass in the command center were both clearly elated by the outcome.

“We always want to take someone alive so we can find out what happened,” Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis said at a media briefing an hour later, “and we can hold them to justice."

High Value Detainee Interrogation Group
The rule waiving the Miranda warning does not set a precise limit on how long a suspect can be interrogated before being advised of his rights, but it likely buys authorities no more than 48 hours.

During that time Tsarnaev, 19, will be questioned by a federal government team called the High Value Detainee Interrogation Group, consisting of officials of the FBI, CIA and Defense Department. Though he will not have a lawyer present, any statements he makes during the questioning will be admissible in court.

Among the questions investigators are certain to focus on is whether he and his brother had help in plotting or carrying out the terrorist attack at the finish line of the marathon. The dual blasts from pressure cookers packed with explosives and shrapnel killed three people and injured 176.

That question took on more urgency when police in New Bedford, Mass., south of Boston, announced Friday evening that three people there had been taken into custody as part of the bombing investigation.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17832252-whats-next-the-interrogation-of-the-boston-bombing-suspect?lite

[jimnyc]

EXCLUSIVE: 'Our hearts are sickened by the horror he inflicted': Shocked family of All-American girl who converted to Islam to marry Boston bomber say tragedy proves 'we never really knew him'

The devastated family of the wife of Boston bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev say 'our hearts are sickened' by the terror and tragedy the young Chechen unleashed on America.

Tsarnaev has a three-year-old daughter called Zahara with Katherine Russell, 24, who converted to Islam for her husband, MailOnline can reveal.

And tonight, Katherine's parents, Judith and Warren issued an emotional statement following the terror attack that left three dead and 176 injured, saying: 'Our daughter has lost her husband today, the father of her child.

'We cannot begin to comprehend how this horrible tragedy occurred. In the aftermath of the Patriot's Day horror, we know that we never really knew Tamerlane Tsarnaev

'Our hearts are sickened by the knowledge of the horror he has inflicted.'

The statement was read by Mrs Russell and when asked how her daughter was getting on, she shook her head and said: 'There's nothing for me to say'.

The 26-year-old Chechen – who was shot dead by cops last night – was regularly seen at his wife's family home in Rhode Island.

And neighbours today spoke of their shock at waking up to see Katherine's home being raided by the FBI and cops before dawn this morning.

At 5pm today, Katherine was driven back to the house by a relative and flanked by two SUVs being driven by agents from the Department of Homeland Security.

Shielding her face, the young mother, wearing a dark-coloured top and sporting mousy blonde hair, was driven into the garage.

One of the Homeland security cars remained parked by the house. And asked if Katherine had been questioned, the agents refused to comment, but confirmed: 'We are keeping an eye on the house.'

A man, believed to be Katherine's father, Warren Russell, said: 'We have no comment at this time.'

While a brunette, thought to be one of Katherine's two younger sisters, was earlier comforted by a friend, saying: 'No comment.'

One neighbour told how Katherine - who also uses the last name Tsarnaeva - converted to Islam shortly after starting school at Suffolk University in Boston, saying she believed the couple were married.

Speaking from the quiet suburb, the neighbour said: ‘I knew Katherine was married and she had converted to Islam.

‘She went away to college about three or four years ago and I saw her a year later and she was dressed in the Islamic style. Her hair was covered and she was wearing very baggy, flowy clothing.’

The neighbour said: ‘I saw Katherine with a man and I assumed this was her partner. They came up most weekends and had Massachusetts licence plates on their car, so I thought they lived in Boston and came home at the weekends to see her family.

‘They were always together and had a little girl, who must be about three now.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311809/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-Boston-bomber-married-Katherine-Russell-converted-Islam-marry-him.html

[jimnyc]

How does someone be involved with the Boston bombings, then go to school the next day as if nothing happened? Only murderers and terrorists can do shit like that.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev 'Acted Like Nothing Happened' Day After Marathon, Friend SaysOne day after the Boston Marathon bombings, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev spent time at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, where he was enrolled as a student and "acted like nothing happened," according to a friend at the campus.

Tsarnaev, 19, is believed to be one of the suspects behind the bombing of the Boston Marathon on Monday that killed three people and injured more than 170.

Andrew Glasby told ABC News that Tsarnaev lived one floor above him at the Pine Dale dormitory and he had a conversation with the alleged bomber one full day after the bombing on the campus.

"I can't believe he had the balls to come back and act like nothing happened," Glasby said.

UMass would only confirm that Tsarnaev was on the campus Wednesday, according to card swipes. Tsarnaev visited the gym and slept in his dorm room Wednesday, according to the school.

Glasby said Tsarnaev, who was often referred to as Jahar, blended right back into normal college life and was "convincing" that nothing was amiss.

"I thought as it was just regular old Jahar. We had a typical conversation, he was not startled, he was not scared, he was not anything. He was just the same old Jahar," Glasby said.

Glasby said that Tsarnaev offered to give him a lift home to Waltham, Mass., on Friday. Tsarnaev described his car as a green Honda Civic, which was the same car police initially said Tsarnaev may have been driving while at-large.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/umass-dartmouth-friend-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-acted-happened-day/story?id=19005157#.UXKzI8pfZ8E

[Marcus Aurelius]

It's probably a stretch to use this, but just.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2013/04/19/the-public-safety-exception/

The FBI considers the exception to be a “powerful tool with a modern application for law enforcement,” wrote Carl Benoit (http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/february2011/legal_digest), a legal instructor at the FBI Academy in a law enforcement bulletin. He wrote:



When police officers are confronted by a concern for public safety, Miranda warnings need not be provided prior to asking questions directed at neutralizing an imminent threat, and voluntary statements made in response to such narrowly tailored questions can be admitted at trial.

The circumstances with Mr. Tsarnaev are obviously very different. But Mr. Wittes said the Quarles case offers some flexibility, particularly since the suspect could be carrying a bomb.
Says Mr. Wittes: “You do have under ‘Quarles’ some period of time at least to make sure there aren’t other accomplices running around, and to make sure that if there is a foreign connection, that this isn’t part of some unfolding plot of attacks.”

[jimnyc]

Here is footage of almost the ending. Apparently the police were under orders not to shoot him unless absolutely necessary. When they approached, he shot at them, and they returned with flash bangs and other stunning devices from guns. Anyway, here is when they found him in the boat and first approached. And for those looking for evidence, I suppose they'll say this is made up and they were really in a shootout with a mouse!

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[jimnyc]

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[Drummond]

By morning media will be praising the no good lying bastard like a long lost son returned to hearth and home... Tyr

Funny you should say that. I don't know about your media, but the BBC over here is replaying a short speech of Obama's which he must've had ordered on to the White House.gov site. It makes him look like the very embodiment of American feeling (... as Brits would understand that to be true .. and I'm far from convinced we DO properly understand that).

The BBC, I kid you not, is replaying the speech once every quarter of an hour ! I think we're all supposed to feel reverence for him as a good and noble President ...

.... I'm sure this is it ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4H5ocEjhkYw

The report they're putting out as coverage includes scenes of Boston residents in the street, cheering. Then it's followed up by the video, above - making it look like he represents everyone.

Add up the span of the video, shown four times per hour .. and that's a substantial chunk of the total air-time they have.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Here is footage of almost the ending. Apparently the police were under orders not to shoot him unless absolutely necessary. When they approached, he shot at them, and they returned with flash bangs and other stunning devices from guns. Anyway, here is when they found him in the boat and first approached. And for those looking for evidence, I suppose they'll say this is made up and they were really in a shootout with a mouse!

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/796UFHldHM4" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>

I'm sure that 'one poster' will question the video. After all, we didn't actually SEE anything, just heard a bunch of noise. Could have been kids setting off a string of fire crackers, or a lot of cars backfiring at the same moment. No real proof.

[jimnyc]

11:47 a.m. ET: From ABC News' Kirit Radia, reporting from MAKHACHKALA, Dagestan: One of the Boston bombing suspects set off alarm bells among his family a year ago during a trip here to visit relatives, ABC News has learned.
According to a family member, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was kicked out of his uncle's house because of his increasingly extremist views.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev spent roughly six months in Russia in 2012, but the relative, who insisted on anonymity to avoid offending other family members, insisted the young man had been radicalized in the United States before his trip.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Funny you should say that. I don't know about your media, but the BBC over here is replaying a short speech of Obama's which he must've had ordered on to the White House.gov site. It makes him look like the very embodiment of American feeling (... as Brits would understand that to be true .. and I'm far from convinced we DO properly understand that).

The BBC, I kid you not, is replaying the speech once every quarter of an hour ! I think we're all supposed to feel reverence for him as a good and noble President ...

.... I'm sure this is it ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4H5ocEjhkYw

The report they're putting out as coverage includes scenes of Boston residents in the street, cheering. Then it's followed up by the video, above - making it look like he represents everyone.

Add up the span of the video, shown four times per hour .. and that's a substantial chunk of the total air-time they have.

Sickening bastard...I can not stand watching the son of a bitch more than a few seconds at a time. He destroys this nation, gets wealth and lifetime protection for his family awarded for his treachery while we will see more of this Islamist murdering in the future but all that matters is the -right people- be protected!
Consider this....--Tyr

http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2013/04/18/calling-a-spade-a-spade-in-boston/?singlepage=true

One of the curious, but also most predictable, responses to the Boston Marathon bombings from the Left has been the fervent expression — amounting nearly to a prayer — that the perpetrator or perpetrators of this act of mass murder be “homegrown,” preferably white, male, Christian, and conservative.
Why? Why does the Left prefer to have its terrorism served up by Timothy McVeigh rather than Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OwFeYlY9GU)? It’s an interesting question. That the Left exhibits this prejudice is, like Falstaff’s dishonesty, “gross as a mountain, open, palpable.”

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As McCarthy observes:
Organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood have tactical disagreements with al-Qaeda about what situations call for the use of violence to advance the supremacist agenda and how quickly sharia should be imposed. At bottom, though, they are in agreement with al-Qaeda about the imperatives of imposing sharia, eradicating Israel, destroying the West, and eliminating Western influences from Islamic countries. Islamic supremacism is a mainstream Islamic ideology — held by tens of millions of Muslims, not just a few thousand al-Qaeda members and collaborators. Thus, if the administration were to admit that this ideology and agenda catalyze terrorism, they would logically have to admit the problem is much bigger than al-Qaeda.

But if they forbear to make this admission and continue to turn a blind eye to the nature and extent of this murderous ideology, what then?
Not to worry. The president and his family now have Secret Service protection for life (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/10/obama-signs-bill-gets-secret-service-protection-for-life/). The important people will be all right.
It’s mostly folks like Martin Richard, age 8 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/boston-marathon-victims-profiles/index.html), who will have to worry. He was blown to bits,and his mother and sister were maimed by the Boston bomber. But the main thing to worry about, if David Sirota is right, is “white male privilege.”

[jimnyc]

Surviving Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had time to tweet on the run After killing 3 and wounding 180, the surviving brother tweets, 'Ain’t no love in the heart of the city,” a line from rapper Jay-Z. He adds, chillingly, 'stay safe people.'Between planting bombs and being on the lam, he somehow found time to tweet.

Boston bombing “Suspect 2,” identified by police as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, took to Twitter about a dozen times since Monday’s deadly twin blasts killed three people and injured more than 180 others.

At 12:43 a.m. Wednesday, the subject of a massive manhunt wrote: “I’m a stress free kind of guy.”

@J—tsar is the handle of 19-year-old Tsarnaev, the alleged bomber still at large. His brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed during a high-speed car chase in which the pair lobbed bombs at pursuing police.


http://i.imgur.com/IEc9igp.jpg

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev quotes Mufti Ismail Menki, who Tsarnaev says is a Muslim scholar in Zimbabwe.
The missives ranged from the mundane to the malevolent.

Just a few hours after the gruesome attacks, he wrote, “Ain’t no love in the heart of the city,” a line from rapper Jay-Z. He added, “stay safe people.”

That night, he wrote “Lol those people are cooked.”

http://i.imgur.com/IdHTd3e.jpg

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev quotes Jay-Z.On Tuesday he posted “So then I says to him, I says, relax bro my beard is not loaded.”

On Friday, someone retweeted that post and added “But my backpack is.”

Tuesday was a busy Twitter day for the wanted man, whose Twitter avatar is a snarling lion.

http://i.imgur.com/sn4Lyy7.jpg

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-marathon-bombing-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-tweets-run-article-1.1322163

[Marcus Aurelius]

If you GOOGLE 'how to make a bomb', you get About 1,460,000,000 results

:mad: