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jafar00

04-16-2013, 06:28 AM

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Jewellery designer Sam Kritsotakis at work in his store in Mosman. Picture: Carly Earl Source:NewsLocal

Just punch him in the face! :)

A MOSMAN jewellery store owner fought off a gunman during an attempted armed robbery yesterday.
Sam Kritsotakis was confronted by the robber when he burst into Eskae Jewellery Boutique on Military Rd brandishing a pistol shortly after 5pm.
The hooded gunman walked directly up to the Mr Kritsotakis and pointed the gun in his chest.
Mr Kritsotakis, 35, immediately punched the man in the face causing him to run from the store.
The jeweller chased the man and caught him outside the store, and was assisted by another local business owner.
Police arrived and arrested the 19-year-old man. He was taken to North Sydney Police Station where he was charged with armed robbery with a dangerous weapon.
Bail was refused and he will appear in Central Local Court today.

Harbourside police were pleased with the outcome but advised against this course of action when confronted with a weapon.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/north-shore/jewellery-store-owner-fights-off-gunman-during-attempted-robbery-in-mosman/story-fngr8h9d-1226621321142

Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 06:53 AM

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/03/11/1226594/461969-20130311-sam-kritsotakis.jpg
Jewellery designer Sam Kritsotakis at work in his store in Mosman. Picture: Carly Earl Source:NewsLocal

Just punch him in the face! :)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/north-shore/jewellery-store-owner-fights-off-gunman-during-attempted-robbery-in-mosman/story-fngr8h9d-1226621321142

yeah, cause that will ALWAYS work, right?

Dumb ass.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/10/4174312/man-shot-during-robbery-in-kc.html

A gunman shot a convenience store owner in the abdomen during an apparent robbery this afternoon in Kansas City.

The victim was shot while trying to intervene in the robbery of a couple in the parking lot about 3:15 p.m. at the Food Shop at Gregory Boulevard and Cleveland Avenue, police said.

CSM

04-16-2013, 07:25 AM

yeah, cause that will ALWAYS work, right?

Dumb ass.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/10/4174312/man-shot-during-robbery-in-kc.html

Well, it would appear that an Australian jewelry designer is more bad-ass than a convenience store owner from Kansas. The differences are obvious! Of course, you know how those Auzzies are!

Jeff

04-16-2013, 07:27 AM

So a fist beat a loaded weapon ? although I am happy for this guy this ( if true ) isn't the norm , if a criminal pulls a gun he usually isn't going to lode to a unaremed man thats just fact

Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 08:14 AM

So a fist beat a loaded weapon ? although I am happy for this guy this ( if true ) isn't the norm , if a criminal pulls a gun he usually isn't going to lode to a unaremed man thats just fact

lode?:laugh:

tailfins

04-16-2013, 08:18 AM

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Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 08:24 AM

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/03/11/1226594/461969-20130311-sam-kritsotakis.jpg
Jewellery designer Sam Kritsotakis at work in his store in Mosman. Picture: Carly Earl Source:NewsLocal

A MOSMAN jewellery store owner fought off a gunman during an attempted armed robbery yesterday.
Sam Kritsotakis was confronted by the robber when he burst into Eskae Jewellery Boutique on Military Rd brandishing a pistol shortly after 5pm.
The hooded gunman walked directly up to the Mr Kritsotakis and pointed the gun in his chest.
Mr Kritsotakis, 35, immediately punched the man in the face causing him to run from the store.
The jeweller chased the man and caught him outside the store, and was assisted by another local business owner.
Police arrived and arrested the 19-year-old man. He was taken to North Sydney Police Station where he was charged with armed robbery with a dangerous weapon.
Bail was refused and he will appear in Central Local Court today.

Harbourside police were pleased with the outcome but advised against this course of action when confronted with a weapon.

Just punch him in the face! :)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/north-shore/jewellery-store-owner-fights-off-gunman-during-attempted-robbery-in-mosman/story-fngr8h9d-1226621321142

yeah, just ignore police advice, right Jahil?

Dumb ass.

aboutime

04-16-2013, 04:09 PM

jafar must think being down under is a license for people who think they can catch .44 magnum bullets in their teeth like....

Crocodile Dundee...the OZ Superman character. And even he could never make his knife win against bullets.

Little-Acorn

04-16-2013, 04:16 PM

This episode couldn't have happened at all.

Handguns are forbidden in Australia.

Gun control laws work, don't they?

revelarts

04-16-2013, 04:41 PM

This episode couldn't have happened at all.
Handguns are forbidden in Australia.
Gun control laws work, don't they?

works so well that the store owner only had his fist left to defend himself with.

but shouldn't cops get him to turn them in as assault weapons as well?
Jafar do you know how many people die each year from fist fights?!!

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Feb 28, 2012
The death of a 10-year-old girl after what seems like an ordinary fist-fight (no weapons appeared to have ...

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Nov 26, 2012 – Sales produce one death, an armed robbery, a fistfight over ... thief in a choke hold, is no longer working for Walmart, the company said.
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Feb 28, 2012 – Fist Fight Death Ruled Homicide. News ... She had no visual signs of trauma to her body, police said. ... The fight lasted about one minute...

Even a single punch can be as lethal as a bullet.

“I’m not certain if 20-something kids realize how much damage they can cause,” said Chris Cross, who does happen to know.
Cross teaches defense tactics for the San Diego Regional Public Safety Training Institute. Delivered with enough force, blows to the head, neck, spine, kidney and groin can cause serious damage, even death, he said.

Brian Walsh, a former Navy pilot, has two permanent metal plates in the left side of his face. Walsh can’t chew food on that side. He suffers headaches.
All from a punch to the face.....Fists can kill and do, but there has been no increase in the number of people dying from weapon-less fights. In 2005, 892 such deaths were tallied nationally, compared with 927 in 2000.

http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/metro/20070716-9999-1m16fist.html

how can you read this info and not agree that banning fist is the right thing to do?
how many people REALLY can defend themselves with there fist.
very few.
it takes training. and strengh.
was that store owner trained??,
he looks out of shape at least.
only police and military should be in good physical shape. It's to dangerous for men to be in shape.
The Aussies are crazy, with your fist culture.
Fist are assault weapons. only the gov't should have them.

aboutime

04-16-2013, 04:43 PM

This episode couldn't have happened at all.

Handguns are forbidden in Australia.

Gun control laws work, don't they?

Let's ask jafar. After all. He's the one who has been scolding all of us Americans about gun control.

What do you think jafar? What about all of your claims concerning how wonderful OZ is...with gun control?

If your statements, and declarations are SO TRUE. Why did that fella show up with a PISTOL?????

Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 05:09 PM

This episode couldn't have happened at all.

Handguns are forbidden in Australia.

Gun control laws work, don't they?

Of course the gun control laws in OZ work. After all, the only way that criminal could have gotten a gun in OZ is illegally, and we know the gun control laws in OZ prevent that.

So, I guess the story is a fake, and Jahil is a liar.

Unless of course he'd care to admit that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns.

revelarts

04-16-2013, 05:12 PM

Of course the gun control laws in OZ work. After all, the only way that criminal could have gotten a gun in OZ is illegally, and we know the gun control laws in OZ prevent that.

So, I guess the story is a fake, and Jahil is a liar.

Unless of course he'd care to admit that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns.

Some goofy 19 year old at that.

jafar00

04-16-2013, 10:21 PM

This episode couldn't have happened at all.

Handguns are forbidden in Australia.

Gun control laws work, don't they?

Did you read the part where the gun he had was a replica, and not a real one?

If we had the same dumb ass gun laws as the US, it might have been a real one because it would have been easy to get one.

Marcus Aurelius

04-17-2013, 07:24 AM

Did you read the part where the gun he had was a replica, and not a real one?

If we had the same dumb ass gun laws as the US, it might have been a real one because it would have been easy to get one.

You're a fucking liar. Your OP story says no such thing.

A MOSMAN jewellery store owner fought off a gunman during an attempted armed robbery yesterday.
Sam Kritsotakis was confronted by the robber when he burst into Eskae Jewellery Boutique on Military Rd brandishing a pistol shortly after 5pm.
The hooded gunman walked directly up to the Mr Kritsotakis and pointed the gun in his chest.
Mr Kritsotakis, 35, immediately punched the man in the face causing him to run from the store.
The jeweller chased the man and caught him outside the store, and was assisted by another local business owner.
Police arrived and arrested the 19-year-old man. He was taken to North Sydney Police Station where he was charged with armed robbery with a dangerous weapon.
Bail was refused and he will appear in Central Local Court today.

Harbourside police were pleased with the outcome but advised against this course of action when confronted with a weapon.

Jahil is a lying sack of shit.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

04-17-2013, 07:32 AM

Did you read the part where the gun he had was a replica, and not a real one?

If we had the same dumb ass gun laws as the US, it might have been a real one because it would have been easy to get one.

The story had nothing about a replica gun. And the police charged the guy with armed robbery with a dangerous weapon.
Are you saying the cops falsely charged the guy? And it was only a replica gun?
Perhaps you had better read your sourced story a bit better Jafar.-Tyr

Mr Kritsotakis, 35, immediately punched the man in the face causing him to run from the store.
The jeweller chased the man and caught him outside the store, and was assisted by another local business owner.
Police arrived and arrested the 19-year-old man. He was taken to North Sydney Police Station where he was charged with armed robbery with a dangerous weapon.
Bail was refused and he will appear in Central Local Court today.

Harbourside police were pleased with the outcome but advised against this course of action when confronted with a weapon.

Marcus Aurelius

04-17-2013, 08:02 AM

Jahil will now disappear from the thread... as usual when he's outed lying.

tailfins

04-17-2013, 08:03 AM

Did you read the part where the gun he had was a replica, and not a real one?

If we had the same dumb ass gun laws as the US, it might have been a real one because it would have been easy to get one.

Can you get a bag of weed where you are? Anyone who can get you a bag of weed, can get you a firearm. Brazil has extremely tough gun laws, but you can get a revolver for USD 600 within an hour almost anywhere in Brazil.

revelarts

04-17-2013, 08:48 AM

Gun laws are fairly restrictive in Nigeria as well.
When I visited i went hunting with illegal firearms I got from people i met there.

jafar00

04-18-2013, 12:54 AM

Can you get a bag of weed where you are? Anyone who can get you a bag of weed, can get you a firearm. Brazil has extremely tough gun laws, but you can get a revolver for USD 600 within an hour almost anywhere in Brazil.

I wouldn't know where to go or who to ask to get a bag of weed, or a gun to tell you the truth and I am pretty well connected.

DragonStryk72

04-18-2013, 01:33 AM

I wouldn't know where to go or who to ask to get a bag of weed, or a gun to tell you the truth and I am pretty well connected.

But they can be gotten. According to this site: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia the possession of illicit firearms is 2.72 illicit firearms per 100 people. SO, you may feel free to stop dodging the question now.

Oh, and apparently, you can get an AK-47 assault rifle for $600

jafar00

04-18-2013, 06:46 AM

Marcus Aurelius

04-18-2013, 06:55 AM

I wouldn't know where to go or who to ask to get a bag of weed, or a gun to tell you the truth and I am pretty well connected.

Hey dumb ass, going to ignore the lie you told???

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jafar00 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=631690#post631690)

Did you read the part where the gun he had was a replica, and not a real one?

If we had the same dumb ass gun laws as the US, it might have been a real one because it would have been easy to get one.
You're a fucking liar. Your OP story says no such thing.

A MOSMAN jewellery store owner fought off a gunman during an attempted armed robbery yesterday.
Sam Kritsotakis was confronted by the robber when he burst into Eskae Jewellery Boutique on Military Rd brandishing a pistol shortly after 5pm.
The hooded gunman walked directly up to the Mr Kritsotakis and pointed the gun in his chest.
Mr Kritsotakis, 35, immediately punched the man in the face causing him to run from the store.
The jeweller chased the man and caught him outside the store, and was assisted by another local business owner.
Police arrived and arrested the 19-year-old man. He was taken to North Sydney Police Station where he was charged with armed robbery with a dangerous weapon.
Bail was refused and he will appear in Central Local Court today.

Harbourside police were pleased with the outcome but advised against this course of action when confronted with a weapon.

Jahil is a lying sack of shit.

jafar00

04-18-2013, 06:58 AM

But they can be gotten. According to this site: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia the possession of illicit firearms is 2.72 illicit firearms per 100 people. SO, you may feel free to stop dodging the question now.

Oh, and apparently, you can get an AK-47 assault rifle for $600

And if you wanna play numbers...

Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population

The rate of private gun ownership in the United States is 88.81 firearms per 100 people

Compare (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/10/rate_of_civilian_firearm_possession)
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population

The rate of private gun ownership in Australia is 151 firearms per 100 people

Less people have guns in Australia so it shows according to these figures that....

Compare (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/194/rate_of_gun_homicide)
Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People

In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2011: 3.65
2010: 3.596
2009: 3.756 7 9
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.116 12
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.846
1999: 3.886 8
1998: 3.378
1993: 7.0713

Compare (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/10/rate_of_gun_homicide)
Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 PeopleChart (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/10/rate_of_gun_homicide)In Australia, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2010: 0.1320 13
2009: 0.1620 18
2008: 0.13
2007: 0.13
2006: 0.20
2005: 0.07
2004: 0.07
2003: 0.2720 23 18
2002: 0.23
2001: 0.24
2000: 0.3023 18
1999: 0.26
1998: 0.30
1997: 0.43
1996: 0.57
1995: 0.37
1994: 0.4323
1993: 0.36
1992: 0.55
1991: 0.49
1990: 0.46
1989: 0.48
1988: 0.74

...in 2011, you were 27.69 times more likely to be murdered with a gun in the US than if you were in Australia

Marcus Aurelius

04-18-2013, 07:01 AM

...in 2011...

stick with 2013, where you lied in this thread about the OP... remember?

I wouldn't know where to go or who to ask to get a bag of weed, or a gun to tell you the truth and I am pretty well connected.

Hey dumb ass, going to ignore the lie you told???

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jafar00 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=631690#post631690)

Did you read the part where the gun he had was a replica, and not a real one?

If we had the same dumb ass gun laws as the US, it might have been a real one because it would have been easy to get one.
You're a fucking liar. Your OP story says no such thing.

A MOSMAN jewellery store owner fought off a gunman during an attempted armed robbery yesterday.
Sam Kritsotakis was confronted by the robber when he burst into Eskae Jewellery Boutique on Military Rd brandishing a pistol shortly after 5pm.
The hooded gunman walked directly up to the Mr Kritsotakis and pointed the gun in his chest.
Mr Kritsotakis, 35, immediately punched the man in the face causing him to run from the store.
The jeweller chased the man and caught him outside the store, and was assisted by another local business owner.
Police arrived and arrested the 19-year-old man. He was taken to North Sydney Police Station where he was charged with armed robbery with a dangerous weapon.
Bail was refused and he will appear in Central Local Court today.

Harbourside police were pleased with the outcome but advised against this course of action when confronted with a weapon.

Jahil is a lying sack of shit.

DragonStryk72

04-18-2013, 08:28 AM

And if you wanna play numbers...

Less people have guns in Australia so it shows according to these figures that....

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...in 2011, you were 27.69 times more likely to be murdered with a gun in the US than if you were in Australia

Okay, so how many AK-47s does a mass murderer need? I'm pointing out that you're dodging the question, and again, you prove me right. Please, keep going, because with every dodge, you just lose that much more credibility in the discussion.

NightTrain

04-18-2013, 08:51 AM

Marcus Aurelius

04-18-2013, 09:13 AM

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jafar00 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=631690#post631690)
Did you read the part where the gun he had was a replica, and not a real one?

If we had the same dumb ass gun laws as the US, it might have been a real one because it would have been easy to get one.

I'm still waiting to see where it wasn't a real gun and only a replica, as well.

The suspense is killing me.

I've tried twice to get him to admit that lie, but he's apparently too much of a pussy to man up.

tailfins

04-18-2013, 09:17 AM

And if you wanna play numbers...

Less people have guns in Australia so it shows according to these figures that....

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...in 2011, you were 27.69 times more likely to be murdered with a gun in the US than if you were in Australia

Like Archie Bunker used to say, "Would you feel better if they were pushed out of windows?"