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jimnyc

04-15-2013, 06:26 PM

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) — The head of an extremist Jordanian Muslim Salafi group said early Tuesday that he was "happy to see the horror in America" after the explosions in Boston.

"American blood isn't more precious than Muslim blood," said Mohammad al-Chalabi, who was convicted in an al-Qaida-linked plot to attack U.S. and other Western diplomatic missions in Jordan in 2003.

"Let the Americans feel the pain we endured by their armies occupying Iraq and Afghanistan and killing our people there," he said early Tuesday.

Al-Chalabi served seven years in prison for his part in the foiled attack. His group is outlawed in Jordan.

A Mideast counterterrorism official based in Jordan said the blasts "carry the hallmark of an organized terrorist group, like al-Qaida." He did not give actual evidence linking al-Qaida to the bombing.

"From the little information available, one can say it was a well-coordinated, well-targeted and near-simultaneous attack," he said. "Luckily, the amount of explosives used is small, judging from the casualty figure and explosion area."

A Jordanian security official said security was beefed up around the U.S. Embassy in Amman after the bombing in Boston.

"As the unfortunate news unfolded, we immediately stationed more police patrols around the embassy," he said. He declined to disclose any details, citing the sensitive nature of the information.

Both officials insisted on anonymity, as they were not authorized to brief reporters on security matters.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/jordan-extremist-praises-boston-bombing

Drummond

04-15-2013, 07:50 PM

aboutime

04-15-2013, 07:55 PM

Anyone notice how QUIET the Obama administration is pretending to be?

Didn't Obama declare, and instruct people in his admin. as well as Newspapers..."Since we got rid of OBL...There is no reason
to use the words TERRORIST, TERROR, or WAR ON TERROR".

So. Why so quiet about this Obama?
Sure. You are looking into it...just as you said you did about BENGHAZI!!!

There are no terror threats here in the USA. Nothing happened in Boston today? RIGHT?

NightTrain

04-15-2013, 07:59 PM

aboutime

04-15-2013, 09:00 PM

I'll wager all of the Middle East countries are feverishly working to determine if the attack originated from their particular country and if so, hand the guilty animals over before we find out on our own.

There are AC-130s standing by.

Despite what those countries may be doing. You can almost be certain. Obama and Holder will treat this like another American who did the bombing. And whoever did it will have all of the Constitutional Rights Illegal's and other non-CITIZENS get so often.

jafar00

04-16-2013, 01:51 AM

Another obscure nutcase being present as a representative for Islam? You can do better than that.

red states rule

04-16-2013, 02:49 AM

Another obscure nutcase being present as a representative for Islam? You can do better than that.

Seems this "obscure nut case" has alot of company

List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm)
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Date
Country
City
Killed
Injured
Description

2013.04.15
Iraq
Fallujah
2
6
A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out two innocents along a city street.

2013.04.15
Iraq
Umm al-Maalif
4
15
Islamic bombers destroy a market, along with four patrons.

2013.04.15
Iraq
Kamaliya
4
13
An al-Qaeda bombing near an elementary school leaves four dead.

2013.04.15
Afghanistan
Mali Zai
7
4
Seven civilians are pulled into pieces by Taliban bombers.

2013.04.14
Pakistan
Gulshan-i-Iqbal
2
0
Sectarian Jihdis murder a father and son at a mobile phone shop.

2013.04.14
Somalia
Mogadishu
29
58
Twenty-nine civilians are sent to Allah when six suicide bombers storm a courthouse.

2013.04.13
Pakistan
Matani
9
19
Women are among nine killed when Mujahideen bomb a passenger bus.

2013.04.12
Iraq
Kanaan
12
30
Mujahideen detonate two bombs at a Sunni mosque, leaving a dozen worshippers dead.

2013.04.12
Mali
Kidal
3
0
At least three people are killed by a suicide bomber.

2013.04.12
Pakistan
Karachi
1
0
A Shia religious scholar is murdered by Sunni rivals from the Ahl-e-Sunnat wal Jamaat terror group.

2013.04.11
Pakistan
Sindh
1
0
The Tehreek-e-Taliban assassinate a secular politician.

2013.04.11
Syria
Homs
20
0
Six children, including a baby, are among twenty people executed by Hezbollah.

2013.04.10
Thailand
Pattani
2
6
Muslim 'insurgents' bomb a community center, killing two people.

2013.04.10
Nigeria
Dikwa
4
0
Islamists brutally murder three education officials and their driver, including one in charge of a program to feed poor students.

2013.04.10
Pakistan
Mardan
1
1
A guard for a polio vaccination team is shot to death on the job by fundamentalists.

2013.04.10
Nigeria
Bama
4
0
Two teachers and the wife and 12-year-old child one are slaughtered and burned by Sharia advocates.

2013.04.09
Afghanistan
Marjah
5
4
A bomb planted by Sunni extremists leaves five dead civilians along a city street.

2013.04.09
Philippines
Ungkaya Pukan
1
0
A local soldier is murdered by Abu Sayyaf.

2013.04.09
Nigeria
Gwoza
3
0
Islamists shoot three people in the head while they are playing cards, including a pastor's son.

2013.04.08
Afghanistan
Wardak
9
22
Religion of Peace hardliners detonate a bomb under a bus, killing nine passengers.

2013.04.08
Iraq
Abu Ghraib
4
4
Two bombings kill four local cops.

2013.04.08
Bangladesh
Chittagong
0
20
Twenty people are hurt when Hifazat-e-Islam riot over a decision not to impose a blasphemy law.

2013.04.08
Somalia
Hiran
1
0
A 22-year-old woman is executed by Islamic milita.

2013.04.08
Syria
Damascus
15
53
A Fedayeen suicide car bomb rips through a crowded street, leaving at least fifteen dead.

2013.04.08
Nigeria
Borno
1
0
A guard at a market is killed during a Boko Haram attack.

2013.04.07
Pakistan
Jaffar Tayyar
1
0
Lashkar-e-Jhagvi gunmen murder a Shiite near a cricket field.

2013.04.07
Egypt
Cairo
2
89
Muslim radicals attack a group of mourners leaving a church, killing one on the spot and another in subsequent clashes.

2013.04.07
Pakistan
Taunsa
1
0
A 15-year-old boy is gunned down in a mosque by Sipah-e-Sahaba because he is Shia.

2013.04.07
Pakistan
Peshawar
1
1
Sunnis fire on a Shia mosque, killing the custodian.

2013.04.07
Iraq
Mosul
4
7
al-Qaeda bombers take out four Iraqis.

2013.04.07
Thailand
Yala
1
0
Muslim militants behead a plantation worker.

2013.04.07
Pakistan
Mathra
1
0
The body of a man kidnapped and tortured to death by the Taliban is found along a roadside.

2013.04.07
Thailand
Narathiwat
2
0
Two local sodiers are knocked off their motorcyle by Muslim militants, who proceed to execute them at point-blank range.

2013.04.06
Afghanistan
Qalat
6
3
American civilians and a doctor are among six killed by a Shahid suicide bomber as they are delivering books to a school.

2013.04.06
Egypt
Khusus
7
17
Angry Muslims torch a church and kill seven Christians over alleged desecration.

2013.04.06
Iraq
Baqubah
22
60
A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two dozen souls to Allah.

2013.04.06
Pakistan
Orangi
1
0
Militants associated with a Sunni seminary gun down a Shiite.

2013.04.06
Nigeria
Midlu
11
5
Muslim radicals shoot, hack and slit the throats of eleven people.

2013.04.06
Iraq
Samarrah
3
5
A teenage boy is among the casualties of a Mujahideen bombing.

2013.04.06
Afghanistan
Asadabad
2
0
Two children are obliterated by a Taliban rocket.

2013.04.06
Pakistan
Karachi
1
0
A Shia schoolteacher loses his life to sectarian Jihadis.

2013.04.05
Pakistan
Hayatabad
1
5
A young boy is killed when Islamic terrorists shell a town.

2013.04.05
Afghanistan
Alingar
1
3
Terrorists kill a cop with a bomb attached to a donkey.

2013.04.05
Thailand
Yala
2
1
Muslim bombers kill two people and put another into a coma.

2013.04.05
Indonesia
Medan
8
6
Eight Buddhists are beaten to death by Muslims in an attack at a detention center.

2013.04.05
Iraq
Hillah
5
15
Mujahideen murder five people in a series of attacks, including a bombing at vegetable market.

2013.04.05
Bangladesh
Dhaka
1
0
Hifazat-e-Islam murder a fruit vendor.

2013.04.05
Pakistan
Syedabad
1
0
A Shia schoolteacher is murdered in a suspected sectarian attack.

2013.04.04
Afghanistan
Batikot
3
2
Three schoolchildren are dismantled by a Taliban roadside bomb.

2013.04.04
Pakistan
Manga Mandi
1
0
A 20-year-old Christian is shot in the head by Muslims calling their religion 'supreme'.

2013.04.04
Kenya
Garissa
3
24
al-Shabaab Islamists toss a hand grenade into a packed restaurant, killing three patrons.

2013.04.04
Somalia
Marka
1
0
An elderly man is gunned down by suspected al-Shabaab.

2013.04.03
Pakistan
Karachi
4
5
Four security personnel die when Islamic militants throw a grenade at their vehicle.

2013.04.03
Tanzania
Tunduma
2
3
Two Christians are murdered by Muslim extremists for selling non-halal meat.

2013.04.03
Afghanistan
Farah
53
91
Over fifty people are slaughtered when nine religious radicals storm a court and self-detonate.

2013.04.03
Iraq
Baghdad
3
0
al-Qaeda gunmen enter a home and shoot a woman and her two sons to death.

2013.04.03
Thailand
Yala
1
19
Muslim bombers take out a bus passenger.

2013.04.03
Pakistan
Gujranwala
0
18
Eighteen Christians are injured by a Muslim mob whipped into a frenzy by a cleric.

2013.04.02
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
0
Muslims abduct a local soldier from his home, blindfold and execute him behind a mosque.

2013.04.02
Pakistan
Peshawar
7
4
Sunni extremists attack a power station, killing two on the spot and then executing five people taken as hostages.

2013.04.02
Pakistan
Malir
1
0
Sunnis shoot a Shia shopowner to death.

2013.04.02
Ingushetia
Sunzhensky
1
5
Islamic 'insurgents' set off two bombs that leave one person dead.

2013.04.02
Kenya
Garissa
3
0
Three guards at an Internet cafe are shot to death at point blank range by Islamists.

2013.04.02
Iraq
Baghdad
2
5
Two civilians are sent to Allah by Mujahid bombers.

2013.04.01
Pakistan
Jani Khel
2
7
The Tehreek-e-Taliban murder two tribal elders with a planted bomb.

2013.04.01
Nigeria
Pulka
1
0
Religion of Peace radicals shoot a man to death in front of his wife and children.

2013.04.01
Somalia
Mogadishu
1
0
A boy is gunned down by al-Shabaab fundamentalists.

2013.04.01
Yemen
Ghail Bawazir
1
0
Suspected al-Qaeda gunmen murder a man on his way home.

2013.04.01
Iraq
Tikrit
11
59
A Fedayeen suicide bomber massacres eleven Iraqis.

2013.04.01
Iraq
Akkas
3
2
al-Qaeda attack an oil field, killing several engineers.

2013.03.31
Pakistan
Wali Noor
2
6
Two members of a 'secular-leaning' party are blown to bits by religious radicals.

2013.03.31
Mali
Asongo
2
0
Two people are dismantled by an Islamist landmine.

2013.03.31
Pakistan
Gulbahar
1
0
A 30-year-old Shiite is gunned down by Sipah-e-Sahaba.

2013.03.31
Iraq
Abu Ghraib
2
11
Two other people are blown up by a Shahid suicide bomber.

2013.03.31
Iraq
Fallujah
3
1
An imam is shot to death along with two others by Religion of Peace rivals.

2013.03.31
Pakistan
Darsamand
3
0
Islamic militants kidnap and murder three villagers.

2013.03.31
Nigeria
Ataka
19
12
Muslim 'nomads' attack a Christian village, butchering nineteen people, including women and children.

2013.03.31
Bangladesh
Rajshahi
0
50
Jamaat-e-Islami radicals injure 50 people with bombs and bricks, including an innocent who had both hands blown off.

2013.03.30
Israel
Samaria
0
1
A young woman suffers a head injury when young Arabs hurl rocks at her car.

2013.03.30
Pakistan
Karachi
1
8
Terrorists throw a grenade at a middle school, killing the principal.

2013.03.30
Pakistan
Tirah Valley
2
1
An 18-year-old is among two women killed in their home by a mortar fired by an Islamist group.

2013.03.30
Pakistan
Mardan
1
6
A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out one other person.

2013.03.30
Thailand
Pattani
2
4
A Religion of Peace motorcycle bomb leaves two dead.

2013.03.29
Nigeria
Ratas
9
0
Fulani 'militias' murder nine villagers.

2013.03.29
Iraq
Baghdad
7
25
al-Qaeda car bombers murder seven worshipper as at a Shiite mosque.

2013.03.29
Iraq
Kirkuk
3
70
A suicide car bomber targets Shiites leaving a mosque, killing at least three.

2013.03.29
Iraq
Qahira
4
20
Four Shiites are taken down by Islamic Army of Iraq bombers.

2013.03.29
Iraq
Binook
5
14
Five Shiites are blown to bits by al-Qaeda bombers.

2013.03.29
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
14
Muslim 'separatists' kill one Thai with a planted bomb.

2013.03.29
Pakistan
Saddar
12
16
A dozen people are torn to shreds by a Shahid suicide bomber at a parking lot, including women and children.

2013.03.29
Iraq
Kut
2
0
Two primary school teachers are shot to death by suspected Islamists.

2013.03.29
Thailand
Pattani
1
1
Islamic 'separatists' murder a 75-year-old plantation worker and severely injure his son.

2013.03.29
Syria
Aleppo
1
0
Muslim rebels behead a rival cleric and parade his body.

2013.03.29
Iraq
Zafaraniyah
3
15
Sunni bombers slay three Shiites outside their mosque.

2013.03.29
Pakistan
Risalpur
1
0
A cleric is shot to death in his own mosque during prayers after trying to stop sectarian Jihadis from pasting hateful posters.

2013.03.29
Pakistan
Karachi
1
0
Muslims shoot a Hindu man to death.

2013.03.28
Thailand
Narathiwat
3
5
Muslim bombers kill three local soldiers.

2013.03.28
Nigeria
Barkin Ladi
9
3
Nine Christians are machine-gunned during a Muslim raid on their village.

2013.03.28
Pakistan
Damadola
2
0
Taliban bombers take down two local soldiers on patrol.

2013.03.28
Syria
Beaver Ridge Canaan (http://www.beaver-ridge.com/beaver-ridge.htm)
15
30
Sunni terrorists deliberately send mortars into a university, massacring at least fifteen innocents.

2013.03.27
Iraq
Baghdad
4
26
Terrorists kill four Iraqis in separate attacks.

2013.03.27
Lebanon
Hasbaya
1
0
A Druze cleric is shot to death in a suspected sectarian attack.

2013.03.27
Afghanistan
Shinwar
1
0
An American soldier playing with children is stabbed in the neck by an Islamic militant.

2013.03.27
Pakistan
Gulbahar
1
1
Sectarian Jihadis kill a Shia man and severely injure his son.

2013.03.26
Iraq
Tikrit
3
0
Three family members are machine-gunned in their home by Mujahideen.

2013.03.26
Nigeria
Riyom
36
12
Fulani 'militia' attack two Christian villages, hacking and shooting three dozen to death.

2013.03.26
Syria
Damascus
3
3
A Shahid suicide bomber wipes out three locals.

2013.03.26
Pakistan
Kasur
0
5
Muslim clerics enter the home of an Ahmadi family and severely beat them into unconsciousness.

2013.03.26
Pakistan
Shakas
1
0
Religious militants shoot a female teacher to death near a girls' school.

2013.03.26
Pakistan
Karachi
1
2
A Shiite factory owner is killed when Sipah-e-Sahaba gunmen open up on him.

2013.03.26
Afghanistan
Jalalabad
5
4
Fedayeen bombers attack a local police station, killing at least five officers.

2013.03.25
Thailand
Pattani
1
0
A Buddhist woman is murdered by Muslim 'separatists'.

2013.03.25
Pakistan
Shamsabad
0
5
A Sunni mob attacks an Ahmadi home and beats the family.

2013.03.24
Somalia
Mogadishu
1
0
A female journalist is shot to death in an attack blamed on Islamists.

2013.03.24
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
1
A man is killed and his wife injured when Islamic 'separatists' fire on them as they are working their farm.

2013.03.24
Mali
Gao
3
0
Two civilians and a local soldier are killed during an Islamist assault on a town.

2013.03.24
India
Sopore
1
1
An elderly man dies from injuries after being shot by in the neck by Muslim terrorists at a market.

2013.03.24
USA
Ashtabula, OH
1
0
A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.

2013.03.24
Iraq
Mosul
12
20
A dozen Iraqis are taken out by Mujahideen.

2013.03.23
Afghanistan
Kandahar
4
2
Four children are killed by a bomb left by religious fundamentalists.

2013.03.23
Yemen
Sanaa
3
0
Three Shiites are gunned down in the street by sectarian Jihadis.

2013.03.23
Somalia
Mogadishu
1
0
A woman working for a human rights agency is assassinated by suspected al-Shabaab.

2013.03.23
Somalia
Haraale
2
3
Two children are killed when a bomb is brought into a Quran school.

2013.03.23
Egypt
Cairo
0
1
Muslim Brotherhood cadres abduct a Christian and take him to a mosque for a brutal round of torture.

2013.03.23
Thailand
Pattani
1
1
Muslim gunmen on motorcycles murder a 46-year-old official on his way to work.

2013.03.23
Pakistan
Miranshah
22
35
A suicide bomber obliterates two dozen Pakistanis.

2013.03.23
Nigeria
Dakata
1
0
One person is shot to death by Boko Haram.

2013.03.22
Pakistan
Wazir Dandh
1
2
Muslim radicals fire on a truck, killing the driver.

2013.03.22
Thailand
Pattani
1
0
A Muslim 'separatist' walks up to a villager at a bird-singing event and shoots him in the head.

2013.03.22
Iraq
Salaheddin
5
0
Five Iraqis are killed in targeted al-Qaeda attacks.

2013.03.22
Iraq
Algehlah
4
0
al-Qaeda militants shoot a man and his two sons to death in front of their wife, then kill the woman.

2013.03.22
Nigeria
Ganye
25
65
Islamic extremists storm a small town and murdered twenty-five people.

2013.03.21
Afghanistan
Takhar
3
0
A fundamentalist group claims responsibility for a bomb that leaves three locals dead.

2013.03.21
Lebanon
Tripoli
2
18
Shooting between Sunnis and Shia leave two dead.

2013.03.21
Pakistan
Jalozai
17
28
Sunni extremists car bomb a refugee camp, killing over a dozen people lining up for food.

2013.03.21
Afghanistan
Musa Qala
5
21
At least five people are killed during a rampage by a mob protesting the burning of a Quran.

2013.03.21
Thailand
Pattani
1
10
An 8-year-old boy standing outside an ice cream shop is exterminated by Muslim bombers.

2013.03.21
Syria
Damascus
49
84
Four dozen people at a mosque are reduced to body parts by a Shahid suicide bomber.

2013.03.21
India
Srinagar
1
2
Islamic terrorists machine-gun a police patrol, killing at least one cop.

2013.03.21
Afghanistan
Marja
5
6
Five people are killed when a suicide vest explodes inside a religious school.

2013.03.21
Bangladesh
Jessore
1
12
At least one person is killed when mosque preachers incite a mob to attack police officers.

2013.03.20
Pakistan
Karachi
4
0
Four Shiites are shot to death by Sunni extremists.

2013.03.20
Myanmar
Meikhtila
1
0
A Buddhist monk is murdered by a Muslim mob.

2013.03.20
Mali
Hombori
1
0
al-Qaeda behead a French geologist after holding him captive for over a year.

2013.03.20
Lebanon
Tripoli
1
20
A sectarian clash between Sunni and Shia leaves one dead.

2013.03.20
Iraq
Baghdad
7
34
A series of Mujahideen bomb blasts leave seven dead.

2013.03.20
Nigeria
Maiduguri
1
0
A tea vendor is shot to death by Muslim terrorists.

2013.03.20
Iraq
Balad
1
4
Children are among the casualties of a bomb placed in a family car.

2013.03.20
Mali
Timbuktu
1
2
A suicide bomber kills a local soldier.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Baghdad
6
15
A half-dozen people are killed when Islamic State of Iraq bombers blow up a restaurant.

2013.03.19
Pakistan
Nazimabad
2
0
An accomplished Sunni doctor and his guard are gunned down by Shia terrorists.

2013.03.19
Nigeria
Maiduguri
6
2
A Boko Haram blast at a bank leaves six dead.

2013.03.19
India
Sopore
1
0
Lashkar-e-Toiba militants shoot an 18-year-old to death in a mosque.

2013.03.19
Yemen
Aden
1
0
A woman is tracked down and killed by her conservative brothers for marrying without their permission.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Baghdad
4
8
An al-Qaeda bomb at a restaurant leaves four dead.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Baghdad
7
21
An al-Qaeda bombing of a government building kills seven Iraqis.

2013.03.19
Thailand
Pattani
1
0
Muslim militants shoot a 56-year-old father to death as he is riding to visit his daughter.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Mahmoudiya
8
17
A suicide bombing is among two that leave eight Iraqis dead.

2013.03.19
Pakistan
Tirah
46
12
A Lashkar-e-Islam suicide bomber takes out forty-six Religion of Peace rivals.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Baghdad
4
12
Four day laborers are shredded by an al-Qaeda bomb attack.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Musayab
2
12
Two people are killed when al-Qaeda set off a car bomb at a market.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Baghdad
4
18
At least four people are killed when Islamists bomb a rival shrine.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Iskandariya
3
8
An al-Qaeda blast in a commercial district snuffs out three lives.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Iskandariya
5
12
Mujahideen bombers take down five people waiting for a bus.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Sadr City
14
22
Fourteen Shiites are sent to Allah by al-Qaeda bombers.

2013.03.19
Iraq
Baghdad
24
92
Coordinated terror attacks on Shia neighborhoods by the Islamic State of Iraq leave over two dozen dead.

2013.03.18
Thailand
Pattani
2
0
Two middle-aged villagers are slain by Muslim gunmen in separate attacks.

2013.03.18
Pakistan
Karachi
2
0
A university professor and a lawyer are killed in separate targeted Sipah-e-Sahaba shooting attacks.

2013.03.18
Pakistan
Karachi
1
0
A young Shiite student is cut down by Sunni gunmen.

2013.03.18
Pakistan
Peshawar
4
40
At least four people are killed by two Shahid suicide bombers at a courtroom.

2013.03.18
Somalia
Mogadishu
13
15
A suicide car bomber slaughters thirteen people.

2013.03.18
Pakistan
Karachi
1
0
Terrorists take out a poet.

2013.03.18
Pakistan
Kalaswala
0
1
A Christian missionary is severely beaten by Muslim extremists.

2013.03.18
Iraq
Balad Ruz
5
16
Five people at a a market are sent to Allah by a Shahid suicide bomber.

2013.03.18
Iraq
Abu Ghraib
3
3
Mujahideen murder three people by planting a bomb under their bus.

2013.03.18
Thailand
Yala
1
0
Muslim 'insurgents' tie a 42-year-old's hands behind him and shoot him several times in the head.

2013.03.18
Nigeria
Maiduguri
6
3
Islamists attack a school, killing four teachers and two others.

2013.03.18
Nigeria
Kano
41
44
Over 40 Christians are blown to bits by Shahid suicide car bombers in a brutal attack.

2013.03.18
Somalia
Hudur
1
0
A 75-year-old imam is beheaded by Religion of Peace rivals.

2013.03.17
Iraq
Mosul
2
0
A man and his daughter are brutally murdered by Mujahideen.

2013.03.17
Nigeria
Torok
2
3
A Muslim fires on a Christian family, killing a baby and a 5-year-old and injuring three women.

2013.03.17
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
0
A 64-year-old Buddhist is shot in the head by Muslim 'separatists'.

2013.03.16
Iraq
Garmat Ali
10
16
Jihadi car bombers take down ten Iraqis waiting at a bus station in a Shia area.

2013.03.16
Thailand
Yala
1
0
Muslim 'separatists' shoot a 37-year-old twice in the head.

2013.03.16
Pakistan
Peshawar
1
1
Religion of Peace community activists fire on two suspected prostitutes, killing one.

2013.03.16
Pakistan
Landhi
1
0
Sipah-e-Sahaba shoot a handicapped Shiite to death at a market.

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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

jafar00

04-16-2013, 06:31 AM

Seems this "obscure nut case" has alot of company

Show me what part of Islam supports this nonsense? Put up or shut up.

Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 06:54 AM

Show me what part of Islam supports this nonsense? Put up or shut up.

Show me the part where they try to prevent it, dumb ass.

tailfins

04-16-2013, 07:56 AM

.... so. Once more, you have proof of what trash these types are.

No doubt Jafar will dismiss that Muslim as 'anti-Islamic', despite the proof to the contrary which KEEPS emerging.

It's a reminder, I think, of how much of a mistake it is to ever become complacent in the face of the reality of Muslim terrorism. Whilst there may be Americans who want to withdraw from confrontational scenarios .. unfortunately, your enemies are not ever inclined to reciprocate. To them, the war continues.

America didn't ask for any of this - but, you're stuck with it. A reminder that your enemies aren't ever inclined to quit. They deserve the worst you can give them in response.

Give the scum HELL.

The blunt instrument of prejudice against a billion people obviously won't be successful. I want something that will actually work. It's important to properly define the enemy.

Show me what part of Islam supports this nonsense? Put up or shut up.

Obviously some part must. Islam is over-represented in the those committing terrorist acts. A correct profile must be achieved.

Show me the part where they try to prevent it, dumb ass.

What part of Christianity tried to prevent what Tim McVeigh did?

Jeff

04-16-2013, 08:02 AM

Show me the part where they try to prevent it, dumb ass.

OK I am confused here I see jafar called Dumb ass more than by his name , is that what that islamic writing translates , Just call me Dumb ass :laugh:

Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 08:07 AM

Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 08:08 AM

OK I am confused here I see jafar called Dumb ass more than by his name , is that what that islamic writing translates , Just call me Dumb ass :laugh:

No, he's just a dumb ass. I normally refer to him as Jahil.

tailfins

04-16-2013, 08:14 AM

No, he's just a dumb ass. I normally refer to him as Jahil.

Jahil is an Urdu word meaning ignorant.

Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 08:28 AM

tailfins

04-16-2013, 08:58 AM

I wasn't aware there was as much over representation among Christians in the ranks of those committing bombings and other terrorist acts as there is in Islam. Perhaps you could give us an equal number of examples?

My point is that it's unreasonable to hold a whole religion accountable for a small minority.

jimnyc

04-16-2013, 11:27 AM

Another obscure nutcase being present as a representative for Islam? You can do better than that.

I assume this is to me, being that you quoted no one and I started the thread. You'll note that the subject even states "extremist".

jimnyc

04-16-2013, 11:31 AM

My point is that it's unreasonable to hold a whole religion accountable for a small minority.

Some will hold the majority responsible when they do very, very little to stop the minority. We see literally daily terror attacks around the world, and very little action from Islam as a majority trying to reel in these actions. The overwhelming majority of attacks are on Islam soil and I still see very little efforts put forth from both those in charge, and the public, in trying to put an end to it.

Marcus Aurelius

04-16-2013, 11:37 AM

My point is that it's unreasonable to hold a whole religion accountable for a small minority.

then why did you do so?

There is a HUGE difference between the Islamic community not doing enough to weed out terrorism, and the Christian community.

That difference is the sheer number of Islamic terrorist acts vs. the almost complete absence of Christian terrorist acts. One has numbers in the thousands, the other you could probably count on 1 hand.

tailfins

04-16-2013, 11:46 AM

Some will hold the majority responsible when they do very, very little to stop the minority. We see literally daily terror attacks around the world, and very little action from Islam as a majority trying to reel in these actions. The overwhelming majority of attacks are on Islam soil and I still see very little efforts put forth from both those in charge, and the public, in trying to put an end to it.

Pointing a finger at 20% of the world population is a really blunt instrument and doesn't help prevent future occurrences. If being a certain type of Muslim considered WITH OTHER CHARACTERISTICS where used to profile a possible terrorist, that would be another story.

then why did you do so?

There is a HUGE difference between the Islamic community not doing enough to weed out terrorism, and the Christian community.

That difference is the sheer number of Islamic terrorist acts vs. the almost complete absence of Christian terrorist acts. One has numbers in the thousands, the other you could probably count on 1 hand.

I didn't. It was a comparison.

jimnyc

04-16-2013, 11:59 AM

Pointing a finger at 20% of the world population is a really blunt instrument and doesn't help prevent future occurrences. If being a certain type of Muslim considered WITH OTHER CHARACTERISTICS where used to profile a possible terrorist, that would be another story.

If the majority of terrorists are Muslim, and the majority of attacks on Muslim soil - doesn't it kinda make sense that every conversation about terrorism revolves around Muslims? I think what 'most' people are discussing when they point fingers at Islam, is the bad element, and aren't trying to say that Islam as a religion preaches and teaches this. Then add in the fact that not a whole lot is done by the majority. I'm not going to add an asterisk at the end of each post to make it clear to everyone that I am only talking about the bad element, the violent people, the abusive people - because if I don't say ALL of Islam, then I'm not talking about all of Islam. :)

revelarts

04-16-2013, 03:20 PM

Red that was an interesting list and there's NO doubt that there are Muslim terrorist out there killing people.

I guess my only caveat to your list is that ...well I've been told on several occasions that if you are in a war zone and get killed it's on you or your collateral damage. too bad. "that's war". A lot of your list are from countries that we are bombing or are otherwise "at war".
Iraq
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Syria

You also mentioned several that are in nigeria. i've mentioned before that my wife lived in Nigeria and has some family there. the terrorist there are attacking the Christians left and right. But mainly it's a small group that's not really Muslim, they are like a Muslim Luddite cult then there are other random violent Muslims that decided to attack a group of Christians or pastors or churches because of some imagined offense. Most of northern Nigeria is Muslim and that where the issues are mainly.
And i mention that to point out something.
A lot of the hysteria about Muslims gonna attack the US and kill us all is based on all of the attacks we see in Nigeria and elsewhere are largely unfounded imo. The attacks there are local.

it'd be like saying that the local KKK are going to fly to Israel and bomb Jews in Jerusalem and take over Israel.

Sure it's possible i guess but how much time should the Jews in Israel spend worrying about Alabama KKK.
"they hate us and want us to die"
"they are well armed"
"they brag on there web sites and they burned a church and painted a synagogue and firebombed a rabbis house in Mobile yesterday."
OK yes thats terrible but, take over Israel? really?

and i'll add this to the mix just so we don't make it all black and white here.

I
Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood condemns Boston Marathon bombings, deems them ‘sinful’

<article> CAIRO — Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood has condemned the Boston Marathon bombings, saying that Islamic law, or Shariah, does not condone violence against civilians.
A Tuesday statement from the Islamist group’s political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party, expressed “condolences to the American people and to the families of victims, with hopes for a quick recovery of those injured.”
</article>
The party also says that Islamic law “firmly rejects assaults on civilians and doesn’t accept any means of terrorizing people, regardless of their religion, color, or gender.”
“The sinful assaults in Boston ascertain the necessity of solidarity of the international community in efforts to achieve justice and well-being for all nations and communities, and to ensure that these crimes don’t take place again,” the statement reads......
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/egypts-muslim-brotherhood-condemns-boston-marathon-bombings-deems-them-sinful/2013/04/16/6bf6626e-a69c-11e2-9e1c-bb0fb0c2edd9_story.html

do i trust the Muslum brotherhood. um noooo.
but at the least they know what to say to the country who's supplying them weapons in Egypt, Syria Libya and elsewhere.

jafar00

04-16-2013, 10:09 PM

Obviously some part must. Islam is over-represented in the those committing terrorist acts. A correct profile must be achieved.

Islam rejects terrorism. There is noting in Islam that could be remotely used to support terrorism.

I could post a bunch of stuff here but maybe I should just let others speak like this 600 page fatwa condemning terrorism that was released a few years ago.

http://www.fatwaonterrorism.com/fatwa_on_terrorism.php

Also, Islamic leaders have one or two words to say about terrorism.

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Islamic Statements Against TerrorismMustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:
“The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">MSANews, September 14, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010920150230/http://msanews.mynet.net/MSANEWS/200109/20010917.15.html)).
Arabic original in al-Quds al-Arabi (http://81.144.208.20:9090/pdf/2001/09Sep/14%20Sep%20Fri/Quds02.pdf) (London), September 14, 2001, p. 2.
Shaykh Yusuf Qaradawi, Qatar; Tariq Bishri, Egypt; Muhammad S. Awwa, Egypt; Fahmi Huwaydi, Egypt; Haytham Khayyat, Syria; Shaykh Taha Jabir al-Alwani, U.S.:
“All Muslims ought to be united against all those who terrorize the innocents, and those who permit the killing of non-combatants without a justifiable reason. Islam has declared the spilling of blood and the destruction of property as absolute prohibitions until the Day of Judgment. … necessary to apprehend the true perpetrators of these crimes, as well as those who aid and abet them through incitement, financing or other support. They must be brought to justice in an impartial court of law and [punished] appropriately. … [It is] a duty of Muslims to participate in this effort with all possible means.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Statement of September 27, 2001 (http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/Qaradawi).
[I]Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt:
“Attacking innocent people is not courageous, it is stupid and will be punished on the day of judgement. … It’s not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom, it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001
Abdel-Mo’tei Bayyoumi, al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy, Cairo, Egypt:
“There is no terrorism or a threat to civilians in jihad [religious struggle].”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 20 – 26 September 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010924102356/http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2001/552/p4fall3.htm)).
Muslim Brotherhood, an opposition Islamist group in Egypt, said it was “horrified” by the attack and expressed “condolences and sadness”:
“[We] strongly condemn such activities that are against all humanist and Islamic morals. … [We] condemn and oppose all aggression on human life, freedom and dignity anywhere in the world.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 13 – 19 September 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010915023839/http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2001/551/fo2.htm)).
Shaykh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, spiritual guide of the Hizbullah movement in Lebanon, said he was “horrified” by these “barbaric … crimes”:
“Beside the fact that they are forbidden by Islam, these acts do not serve those who carried them out but their victims, who will reap the sympathy of the whole world. … Islamists who live according to the human values of Islam could not commit such crimes.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001
‘Abdulaziz bin ‘Abdallah Al-Ashaykh, chief mufti of Saudi Arabia:
“Firstly: the recent developments in the United States including hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts. Secondly: any Muslim who is aware of the teachings of his religion and who adheres to the directives of the Holy Qur’an and the sunnah (the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad) will never involve himself in such acts, because they will invoke the anger of God Almighty and lead to harm and corruption on earth.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Statement of September 15, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011009024647/http://www.saudiembassy.net/press_release/01-spa/09-15-Islam.htm)).
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 19.5px;">‘Abdulaziz bin ‘Abdallah Al-Ashaykh, chief mufti of Saudi Arabia:
“You must know Islam’s firm position against all these terrible crimes. The world must know that Islam is a religion of peace and mercy and goodness; it is a religion of justice and guidance…Islam has forbidden violence in all its forms. It forbids the hijacking airplanes, ships and other means of transport, and it forbids all acts that undermine the security of the innocent.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Hajj sermon of February 2, 2004, in “Public Statements by Senior Saudi Officials Condemning Extremism and Promoting Moderation,” May 2004, page 10 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20040726235629/http://www.saudiembassy.net/ReportLink/Report_Extremism_May04.pdf)).
Shaikh Saleh Al-Luheidan, Chairman of the Supreme Judicial Council, Saudi Arabia:
“As a human community we must be vigilant and careful to oppose these pernicious and shameless evils, which are not justified by any sane logic, nor by the religion of Islam.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Statement of September 14, 2001, in “Public Statements by Senior Saudi Officials Condemning Extremism and Promoting Moderation,” May 2004, page 6 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20040726235629/http://www.saudiembassy.net/ReportLink/Report_Extremism_May04.pdf)).
Shaikh Saleh Al-Luheidan, Chairman of the Supreme Judicial Council, Saudi Arabia:
“And I repeat once again: that this act that the United states was afflicted with, with this vulgarity and barbarism, and which is even more barbaric than terrorist acts, I say that these acts are from the depths of depravity and the worst of evils.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Televised statement of September 2001, in Muhammad ibn Hussin Al-Qahtani, editor, The Position of Saudi Muslim Scholars Regarding Terrorism in the Name of Islam (Saudi Arabia, 2004), pages 27-28.
Shaykh Muhammad bin ‘Abdallah al-Sabil, member of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars, Saudi Arabia:
“Any attack on innocent people is unlawful and contrary to shari’a (Islamic law). … Muslims must safeguard the lives, honor and property of Christians and Jews. Attacking them contradicts shari’a.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Agence France Presse, December 4, 2001
Council of Saudi ‘Ulama, fatwa of February 2003:
“What is happening in some countries from the shedding of the innocent blood and the bombing of buildings and ships and the destruction of public and private installations is a criminal act against Islam. … Those who carry out such acts have the deviant beliefs and misleading ideologies and are responsible for the crime. Islam and Muslims should not be held responsible for such actions.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">The Dawn newspaper, Karachi, Pakistan, February 8, 2003 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20030226073546/http://www.dawn.com/2003/02/08/top17.htm)); also in “Public Statements by Senior Saudi Officials Condemning Extremism and Promoting Moderation,” May 2004, page 10 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20040726235629/http://www.saudiembassy.net/ReportLink/Report_Extremism_May04.pdf)).
Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, chairman of the Sunna and Sira Council, Qatar:
“Our hearts bleed for the attacks that has targeted the World Trade Center [WTC], as well as other institutions in the United States despite our strong oppositions to the American biased policy towards Israel on the military, political and economic fronts. Islam, the religion of tolerance, holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, this is backed by the Qur’anic verse which reads: ‘Who so ever kills a human being [as punishment] for [crimes] other than manslaughter or [sowing] corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind’ (Al-Ma’idah:32).”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Statement of September 13, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011126104902/http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2001-09/13/article25.shtml)).
Tahirul Qadri, head of the Awami Tehrik Party, Pakistan:
“Bombing embassies or destroying non-military installations like the World Trade Center is no jihad. … “[T]hose who launched the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks not only killed thousands of innocent people in the United States but also put the lives of millions of Muslims across the world at risk. … Bin Laden is not a prophet that we should put thousands of lives at risk for.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">United Press International, October 18, 2001 (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/10/17/195606.shtml).
Ayatollah Ali Khamene’i, supreme jurist-ruler of Iran:
“Killing of people, in any place and with any kind of weapons, including atomic bombs, long-range missiles, biological or chemical weopons, passenger or war planes, carried out by any organization, country or individuals is condemned. … It makes no difference whether such massacres happen in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Qana, Sabra, Shatila, Deir Yassin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq or in New York and Washington.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Islamic Republic News Agency, September 16, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010920073203/http://www.irna.com/en/hphoto/010916000000.ehp.shtml)).
President Muhammad Khatami of Iran:
“[T]he September 11 terrorist blasts in America can only be the job of a group that have voluntarily severed their own ears and tongues, so that the only language with which they could communicate would be destroying and spreading death.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Address to the United Nations General Assembly, November 9, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011203012207/http://www.president.ir/cronicnews/1380/8008/800818/800818.htm)).
League of Arab States:
“The General-Secretariat of the League of Arab States shares with the people and government of the United States of America the feelings of revulsion, horror and shock over the terrorist attacks that ripped through the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, inflicting heavy damage and killing and wounding thousands of many nationalities. These terrorist crimes have been viewed by the League as inadmissible and deserving all condemnation. Divergence of views between the Arabs and the United States over the latter’s foreign policy on the Middle East crisis does in no way adversely affect the common Arab attitude of compassion with the people and government of the United States at such moments of facing the menace and ruthlessness of international terrorism. In more than one statement released since the horrendous attacks, the League has also expressed deep sympathy with the families of the victims. In remarks to newsmen immediately following the tragic events, Arab League Secretary-General Amre Moussa described the feelings of the Arab world as demonstrably sympathetic with the American people, particularly with families and individuals who lost their loved ones. “It is indeed tormenting that any country or people or city anywhere in the world be the scene of such disastrous attacks,” he added. While convinced that it is both inconceivable and lamentable that such a large-scale, organised terrorist campaign take place anywhere, anytime, the League believes that the dreadful attacks against WTC and the Pentagon unveil, time and again, that the cancer of terrorism can be extensively damaging if left unchecked. It follows that there is a pressing and urgent need to combat world terrorism. In this context, an earlier call by [Egyptian] President Hosni Mubarak for convening an international conference to draw up universal accord on ways and means to eradicate this phenomenon and demonstrate international solidarity is worthy of active consideration. The Arabs have walked a large distance in the fight against cross-border terrorism by concluding in April 1998 the Arab Agreement on Combating Terrorism.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">September 17, 2001.
Dr. Abdelouahed Belkeziz, Secretary-General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference:
“Following the bloody attacks against major buildings and installations in the United States yesterday, Tuesday, September 11, 2001, Dr. Abdelouahed Belkeziz, secretary-general of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), stated that he was shocked and deeply saddened when he heard of those attacks which led to the death and injury of a very large number of innocent American citizens. Dr. Belkeziz said he was denouncing and condemning those criminal and brutal acts that ran counter to all covenants, humanitarian values and divine religions foremost among which was Islam.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Press Release, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, September 12, 2001.
Organization of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers:
“The Conference strongly condemned the brutal terror acts that befell the United States, caused huge losses in human lives from various nationalities and wreaked tremendous destruction and damage in New York and Washington. It further reaffirmed that these terror acts ran counter to the teachings of the divine religions as well as ethical and human values, stressed the necessity of tracking down the perpetrators of these acts in the light of the results of investigations and bringing them to justice to inflict on them the penalty they deserve, and underscored its support of this effort. In this respect, the Conference expressed its condolences to and sympathy with the people and government of the United States and the families of the victims in these mournful and tragic circumstances.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Final Communique of the Ninth Extraordinary Session of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers, October 10, 2001.
Organization of the Islamic Conference, Summit Conference:
“We are determined to fight terrorism in all its forms. … Islam is the religion of moderation. It rejects extremism and isolation. There is a need to confront deviant ideology where it appears, including in school curricula. Islam is the religion of diversity and tolerance.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Daily Star (Beirut, Lebanon), December 9, 2005.
Mehmet Nuri Yilmaz, Head of the Directorate of Religious Affairs of Turkey:
“Any human being, regardless of his ethnic and religious origin, will never think of carrying out such a violent, evil attack. Whatever its purpose is, this action cannot be justified and tolerated.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Mehmet Nuri Yilmaz, “A Message on Ragaib Night and Terrorism,” September 21, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011215192150/http://www.diyanet.gov.tr/duyurular/regaibing.htm)).
Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar), Turkish author:
“The religion of Islam can by no means countenance terrorism. On the contrary, terror (i.e. murder of innocent people) in Islam is a great sin, and Muslims are responsible for preventing these acts and bringing peace and justice to the world.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Harun Yahya, Islam Denounces Terrorism (http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/).
Shaikh Muhammad Yusuf Islahi, Pakistani-American Muslim leader:
“The sudden barbaric attack on innocent citizens living in peace is extremely distressing and deplorable. Every gentle human heart goes out to the victims of this attack and as humans we are ashamed at the barbarism perpetrated by a few people. Islam, which is a religion of peace and tolerance, condemns this act and sees this is as a wounding scar on the face of humanity. I appeal to Muslims to strongly condemn this act, express unity with the victims’ relatives, donate blood, money and do whatever it takes to help the affected people.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“Messages From Shaikh Muhammad Yusuf Islahi” (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010918200837/http://www.icna.org/wtc_islahi.htm)).
Abdal-Hakim Murad, British Muslim author:
“Targeting civilians is a negation of every possible school of Sunni Islam. Suicide bombing is so foreign to the Quranic ethos that the Prophet Samson is entirely absent from our scriptures.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“The Hijackers Were Not Muslims After All: Recapturing Islam From the Terrorists” (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010924085940/http://www.dspace.dial.pipex.com/masud/ISLAM/ahm/recapturing.htm)).
Syed Mumtaz Ali, President of the Canadian Society of Muslims:
“We condemn in the strongest terms possible what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Canadians in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Canadian Society of Muslims, Media Release, September 12, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010915155615/http://www.muslim-canada.org/news09112001.html)).
15 American Muslim organizations:
“We reiterate our unequivocal condemnation of the crime committed on September 11, 2001 and join our fellow Americans in mourning the loss of up to 6000 innocent civilians.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Muslim American Society (MAS), Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Muslim Alliance of North America (MANA), Muslim Student Association (MSA), Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), United Association for Studies and Research (UASR), Solidarity International, American Muslims for Global Peace and Justice (AMGPJ), American Muslim Alliance (AMA), United Muslim Americans Association (UMAA), Islamic Media Foundation (IMF), American Muslim Foundation (AMF), Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations (CCMO), American Muslims for Jerusalem (AMJ), Muslim Arab Youth Association (MAYA), October 22, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011121152646/http://www.icna.org/wtc_pr.htm)).
57 leaders of North American Islamic organizations, 77 intellectuals, and dozens of concerned citizens:
“As American Muslims and scholars of Islam, we wish to restate our conviction that peace and justice constitute the basic principles of the Muslim faith. We wish again to state unequivocally that neither the al-Qaeda organization nor Usama bin Laden represents Islam or reflects Muslim beliefs and practice. Rather, groups like al-Qaeda have misused and abused Islam in order to fit their own radical and indeed anti-Islamic agenda. Usama bin Laden and al-Qaeda’s actions are criminal, misguided and counter to the true teachings of Islam.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Statement Rejecting Terrorism, September 9, 2002 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20020916085653/http://www.islam-democracy.org/terrorism_statement.asp)).
American Muslim Political Coordination Council:
“American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Full-page ad (http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism/CAIRFullPageAdvertisement.aspx) in The Washington Post, September 16, 2001.
Dr. Agha Saeed, National Chair of the American Muslim Alliance:
“These attacks are against both divine and human laws and we condemn them in the strongest terms. The Muslim Americans join the nation in calling for swift apprehension and stiff punishment of the perpetrators, and offer our sympathies to the victims and their families.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">September 11, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010920045238/http://www.amaweb.org/AMA+Condemns.html)).
Hamza Yusuf, American Muslim leader:
“Religious zealots of any creed are defeated people who lash out in desperation, and they often do horrific things. And if these people [who committed murder on September 11] indeed are Arabs, Muslims, they’re obviously very sick people and I can’t even look at it in religious terms. It’s politics, tragic politics. There’s no Islamic justification for any of it. … You can’t kill innocent people. There’s no Islamic declaration of war against the United States. I think every Muslim country except Afghanistan has an embassy in this country. And in Islam, a country where you have embassies is not considered a belligerent country. In Islam, the only wars that are permitted are between armies and they should engage on battlefields and engage nobly. The Prophet Muhammad said, “Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people,” and he mentioned priests, nuns and rabbis. And he said, “Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees and do not poison the wells of your enemies.” The Hadith, the sayings of the Prophet, say that no one can punish with fire except the lord of fire. It’s prohibited to burn anyone in Islam as a punishment. No one can grant these attackers any legitimacy. It was evil.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">San Jose Mercury News, September 15, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010920073355/http://www0.mercurycenter.com/local/center/isl0916.htm)).
Nuh Ha Mim Keller, American Muslim author:
“Muslims have nothing to be ashamed of, and nothing to hide, and should simply tell people what their scholars and religious leaders have always said: first, that the Wahhabi sect has nothing to do with orthodox Islam, for its lack of tolerance is a perversion of traditional values; and second, that killing civilians is wrong and immoral.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“Making the World Safe for Terrorism,” September 30, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011116182521/http://66.34.131.5/ISLAM/nuh/terrorism.htm)).
Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens), prominent British Muslim:
“I wish to express my heartfelt horror at the indiscriminate terrorist attacks committed against innocent people of the United States yesterday. While it is still not clear who carried out the attack, it must be stated that no right thinking follower of Islam could possibly condone such an action: the Qur’an equates the murder of one innocent person with the murder of the whole of humanity. We pray for the families of all those who lost their lives in this unthinkable act of violence as well as all those injured; I hope to reflect the feelings of all Muslims and people around the world whose sympathies go out to the victims at this sorrowful moment.”
[On singing an a cappella version of "Peace Train" for the Concert for New York City:] “After the tragedy, my heart was heavy with sadness and shock, and I was determined to help in some way. Organizers asked me to take part in a message for tolerance and sing ‘Peace Train.’ Of course, I agreed. … As a Muslim from the West, it is important to me to let people know that these acts of mass murder have nothing to do with Islam and the beliefs of Muslims.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Press release of September 13, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20040515132957/mountainoflight.co.uk/pages/news/2001/sept132001_press.html)), and interview of October 22, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20040224202406/mountainoflight.co.uk/pages/news/2001/oct2220001_starstribute.html)).
Muslims Against Terrorism, a U.S.-based organization:
“As Muslims, we condemn terrorism in all its forms and manifestations. Ours is a religion of peace. We are sick and tired of extremists dictating the public face of Islam.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“About us” (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011027093842/www.matusa.org/aboutus.html)). This statement was replaced by a new statement in favor of peace by the group’s successor organization, Muslim Voices for Peace (http://www.mvp-us.org/).
Abdulaziz Sachedina, professor of religious studies, University of Virginia:
“New York was grieving. Sorrow covered the horizons. The pain of separation and of missing family members, neighbors, citizens, humans could be felt in every corner of the country. That day was my personal day of “jihad” (“struggle”) — jihad with my pride and my identity as a Muslim. This is the true meaning of jihad — “struggle with one’s own ego and false pride.” I don’t ever recall that I had prayed so earnestly to God to spare attribution of such madness that was unleashed upon New York and Washington to the Muslims. I felt the pain and, perhaps for the first time in my entire life, I felt embarrassed at the thought that it could very well be my fellow Muslims who had committed this horrendous act of terrorism. How could these terrorists invoke God’s mercifulness and compassion when they had, through their evil act, put to shame the entire history of this great religion and its culture of toleration?”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“Where Was God on September 11?” (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20021202025604/http://www.virginia.edu/soasia/newsletter/Fall01/God.html)).
Ali Khan, professor of law, Washburn University School of Law, Topeka, Kansas:
“To the most learned in the text of the Quran, these verses must be read in the context of many other verses that stipulate the Islamic law of war—a war that the Islamic leader must declare after due consultation with advisers. For the less learned, however, these verses may provide the motivation and even the plot for a merciless strike against a self-chosen enemy.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“Attack on America: An Islamic Perspective (http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew29.htm),” September 17, 2001.
Muqtedar Khan, then an assistant professor of political science, Adrian College, Michigan:
“What happened on September 11th in New York and Washington DC will forever remain a horrible scar on the history of Islam and humanity. No matter how much we condemn it, and point to the Quran and the Sunnah to argue that Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, the fact remains that the perpetrators of this crime against humanity have indicated that their actions are sanctioned by Islamic values. The fact that even now several Muslim scholars and thousands of Muslims defend the accused is indicative that not all Muslims believe that the attacks are unIslamic. This is truly sad. … If anywhere in your hearts there is any sympathy or understanding with those who committed this act, I invite you to ask yourself this question, would Muhammad (pbuh) sanction such an act? While encouraging Muslims to struggle against injustice (Al Quran 4:135), Allah also imposes strict rules of engagement. He says in unequivocal terms that to kill an innocent being is like killing entire humanity (Al Quran 5:32). He also encourages Muslims to forgive Jews and Christians if they have committed injustices against us (Al Quran 2:109, 3:159, 5:85).”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“A Memo to American Muslims (http://www.ijtihad.org/memo.htm),” October 5, 2001.
Dr. Alaa Al-Yousuf, Bahraini economist and political activist:
“On Friday, 14 September [the first Friday prayers after 11 September], almost the whole world expressed its condemnation of the crime and its grief for the bereaved families of the victims. Those who abstained or, even worse, rejoiced, will have joined the terrorists, not in the murder, but in adding to the incalculable damage on the other victims of the atrocity, namely, Islam as a faith, Muslims and Arabs as peoples, and possibly the Palestinian cause. The terrorists and their apologists managed to sully Islam as a faith both in the eyes of many Muslims and non-Muslims alike.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Interview with the International Forum for Islamic Dialogue, London (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20020829142426/http://www.islam21.net/pages/keyissues/key7-6.htm)).
Dr. S. Parvez Manzoor, Swedish-based Muslim author:
“If these acts of terror indeed have been perpetrated by Muslim radicals or fundamentalists, they have reaped nothing but eternal damnation, shame and ignominy. For nothing, absolutely nothing, could remotely be advanced as an excuse for these barbaric acts. They represent a total negation of Islamic values, an utter disregard of our fiqhi tradition, and a slap in the face of the Ummah. They are in total contrast to what Islamic reason, compassion and faith stand for. Even from the more mundane criteria of common good, the maslaha of the jurists, these acts are treasonous and suicidal. Islamic faith has been so callously and casually sacrificed at the altar of politics, a home-grown politics of parochial causes, primeval passions, self-endorsing piety and messianic terror.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Interview with the International Forum for Islamic Dialogue, London (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20021201043720/www.islam21.net/pages/keyissues/key7-3.htm)).
Anwar Ibrahim, Malaysian Islamic activist and former deputy prime minister:
“Never in Islam’s entire history has the action of so few of its followers caused the religion and its community of believers to be such an abomination in the eyes of others. Millions of Muslims who fled to North America and Europe to escape poverty and persecution at home have become the object of hatred and are now profiled as potential terrorists. And the nascent democratic movements in Muslim countries will regress for a few decades as ruling autocrats use their participation in the global war against terrorism to terrorize their critics and dissenters. This is what Mohammed Atta and his fellow terrorists and sponsors have done to Islam and its community worldwide by their murder of innocents at the World Trade Center in New York and the Defense Depart-ment in Washington. The attack must be condemned, and the condemnation must be without reservation.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Anwar Ibrahim, “Growth of Democracy Is the Answer to Terrorism,” International Herald Tribune, October 11, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011122022534/http://www.iht.com/articles/35281.htm)).
Ziauddin Sardar, British Muslim author:
“The failure of Islamic movements is their inability to come to terms with modernity, to give modernity a sustainable home-grown expression. Instead of engaging with the abundant problems that bedevil Muslim lives, the Islamic prescription consists of blind following of narrow pieties and slavish submission to inept obscurantists. Instead of engagement with the wider world, they have made Islam into an ethic of separation, separate under-development, and negation of the rest of the world.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Ziauddin Sardar, “Islam has become its own enemy (http://www.observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,577942,00.html),” The Observer, October 21, 2001.
Khaled Abou El Fadl, Kuwaiti-Egyptian-American legal scholar:
“It would be disingenuous to deny that the Qur’an and other Islamic sources offer possibilities of intolerant interpretation. Clearly these possibilities are exploited by the contemporary puritans and supremacists. But the text does not command such intolerant readings. Historically, Islamic civilization has displayed a remarkable ability to recognize possibilities of tolerance, and to act upon these possibilities.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Khaled Abou El Fadl, “The Place of Tolerance in Islam: On Reading the Qur’an — and Misreading It,” Boston Review, December 2001/January 2002 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011210065811/http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR26.6/elfadl.html)).
Sheikh Muhammad Ali Al-Hanooti, Palestinian-American mufti and member of the North American Fiqh Council:
“The people who attacked the WTC and Pentagon and hijacked the forth plane that crashed in Pennsylvania are criminal who deserve the severest punishment as the Quran elaborates. They are murderers and terrorists. If there were any person who felt happy for that incident we would not be able to equate them with those criminals, but we can say no one with faith and ethics would accept anything of that murder and targeting of innocent people.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Sheikh Muhammad Ali Al-Hanooti, “Fatwa Session on Latest Tragic Events,” IslamOnline, September 20, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011118161246/http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=pdwD2E)).
Syed Shahabuddin, Indian Muslim author:
“Islam prohibits terrorism as well as suicide. Jihad is neither and has no place for taking innocent lives or one’s own life. No cause, howsoever noble or just, can justify terrorism. So while one may sympathize with the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people and support their claim to a state of their own, while one may appreciate the democratic awakening among the people of many Muslim states and uphold their demand for withdrawal of foreign presence from their soil and support their struggle for revision of the terms of trade for their natural resources, no thinking Muslim can go along with the use of terrorism for securing political goals.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Syed Shahabuddin, “Global war against terrorism – the Islamic dimension (http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01112001/34.htm),” Milli Gazette newspaper (New Delhi, India), November 1, 2001.
Dr. M. A. Zaki Badawi, principal of the Muslim College, London, England:
“Neither the law of Islam nor its ethical system justify such a crime.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Dr. M. A. Zaki Badawi, “Terrorism has no place in Islam (http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=5&section=0&article=9314&d=28&m=9&y=2001),” Arab News (Jiddah-Riyadh-Dhahran, Saudi Arabia), September 28, 2001.
Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, head mufti at Jamiat-ul-Uloom-ul-Islamia seminary, Binori Town, Pakistan and a leader of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) party, Pakistan:
“It’s wrong to kill innocent people. … It’s also wrong to praise those who kill innocent people.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/28/world/nation-challenged-hunted-new-push-get-bin-laden-agree-quit-afghanistan.html?pagewanted=2), September 28, 2001, p. B3.
Shaykh Omar Bakri, leader of al-Muhajirun, a radical Islamist movement then based in London, England:
“If Islamists did it — and most likely it is Islamists, because of the nature of what happened — then they have fully misunderstood the teachings of Islam. … Even the most radical of us have condemned this. I am always considered to be a radical in the Islamic world and even I condemn it.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec, Canada), September 13, 2001, p. B6.
Zuhair Qudah, a preacher at al-Lawzieen mosque, Amman, Jordan:
“We stand by our Palestinian brothers in their struggle to end the occupation, but we don’t condone violence, ugly crimes and the killing of innocent people.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Associated Press, September 14, 2001.
Salih bin Muhammad Lahidan, chairman of the Supreme Judicial Council, Saudi Arabia:
“Killing the weak, infants, women, and the elderly, and destroying property, are considered serious crimes in Islam. . . . Viewing on the TV networks what happened to the twin towers . . . was like watching doomsday. Those who commit such crimes are the worst of people. Anyone who thinks that any Islamic scholar will condone such acts is totally wrong. . . . This barbaric act is not justified by any sane mind-set. . . . This act is pernicious and shameless and evil in the extreme.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">The Washington Post, October 13, 2001, p. B9.
Shaykh Rached Ghannouchi, chairman of Tunisia’s an-Nahda Movement, in exile in London, England:
“Such destruction can only be condemned by any Muslim, however resentful one may be of America’s biased policies supporting occupation in Palestine, as an unacceptable attack on thousands of innocent people having no relation to American policies. Anyone familiar with Islam has no doubt about its rejection of collective punishment, based on the well-known Quranic principle that ‘no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another.’”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">The Washington Post, October 13, 2001, p. B9
Shaykh Salih al-Suhaymi, religious scholar, Saudi Arabia:
“Based upon what has preceded, then we say that that which we believe and hold as our religion concerning what happened to the World Trade Centre in America – and in Allaah lies success – that the terrorist attacks that took place and what occurred of general (mass) killing, then it is not permissible and Islaam does not allow it in any form whatsoever.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee speaks about current affairs… (http://www.fatwaonline.com/news/0011018.htm),” October 18, 2001, translated by Abu ‘Iyaad.
Dr. Sayed G. Safavi, Iranian religious scholar and director of the Institute of Islamic Studies, London, England:
“The targeting of innocent persons cannot be allowed. Islam is against any form of terrorism, whether it be carried out by an individual, a group or a state. … For Muslims to kill civilians unconnected with any attack on them is a crime. The principal law of Islam is: don’t attack civilians. This includes civilians of any faith, whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian. According to Islam, all people are the family of God. The target of religion is peace.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“United against terrorism (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3593198/United-against-terrorism.html),” The Daily Telegraph, London, England, June 30, 2003.
Iqbal Siddiqui, editor of Crescent International, London, England:
“History also teaches us that the only effective way of challenging oppression and the only effective way of fighting injustice is through force; that is simply the way of the world. Pacifism is all too often a weapon of the status quo…. When Islamic movements in the world do need to resort to the use of force, that force must be used morally. When extreme fringes of those movements are pushed to use force indiscriminately, immorally, wrongly against illegitimate targets, and using illegitimate weapons (such [as] hijacked jumbo jets), those are crimes for which the people who share their cause, who share their view of the world, their understanding of the need to use force, must also criticise them, turn against them, isolate them. Our standards must be higher than those of the people whom we are fighting, because if we descend to their standards then there is no difference between us.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Iqbal Siddiqui, “Terrorism and political violence in contemporary history,” Conference on Terrorism, Institute of Islamic Studies, London, England, November 13, 2001, published in Muslimedia International, February 16-28, 2002 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20020831145557/http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/movement02/terror-hist.htm)). Earlier version also on-line via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20020407111312/http://www.islamic-studies.org/terrorconfer.pro.htm).
Islamway website:
“The message of the Quran is clear as we have seen, that the sanctity of any human life is to be respected and any violation in that regard is paramount to the worst crime. Mercy is at the heart of the Islamic call, “We sent thee (O Muhammad) not save as a mercy for the peoples” (21:107); a totally different message to what the terrorists are sadly imparting to humanity.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“What Does Islam Say About Terrorism? (http://discover.islamway.com/articles.php?article_id=47)“
Islamic Commission of Spain:
“Muslims, therefore, are not only forbidden from committing crimes against innocent people, but are responsible before God to stop those people who have the intention to do so, since these people ‘are planting the seeds of corruption on Earth’…. The perpetration of terrorist acts supposes a rupture of such magnitude with Islamic teaching that it allows to affirm that the individuals or groups who have perpetrated them have stopped being Muslim and have put themselves outside the sphere of Islam.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“Text of the Fatwa Declared Against Osama Bin Laden by the Islamic Commission of Spain (http://www.webislam.com/?idn=537),” March 17, 2005; original Spanish version: “La Comisión Islámica de España emite una fatua condenando el terrorismo y al grupo Al Qaida (http://www.webislam.com/?idn=399),” March 10, 2005.
The Amman Message, proclaimed by 200 Islamic scholars from 50 countries at a conference in Amman, Jordan, and later endorsed by hundreds of other Islamic scholars and the Organization of the Islamic Conference:
“Islam recognizes the noble station of life, so there is to be no fighting against non-combatants, and no assault upon civilians and their properties, children at their mothers’ bosom, students in their schools, nor upon elderly men and women. Assault upon the life of a human being, be it murder, injury or threat, is an assault upon the right to life among all human beings. It is among the gravest of sins; for human life is the basis for the prosperity of humanity: Whoever kills a soul for other than slaying a soul or corruption upon the earth it is as if he has killed the whole of humanity, and whoever saves a life, it is as if has revived the whole of humanity. (5:32)”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">The Official Website of the Amman Message (http://www.ammanmessage.com/), July 2005
Fatwa signed by more than 500 British Muslim scholars, clerics, and imams:
“Islam strictly, strongly and severely condemns the use of violence and the destruction of innocent lives. There is neither place nor justification in Islam for extremism, fanaticism or terrorism. Suicide bombings, which killed and injured innocent people in London, are HARAAM – vehemently prohibited in Islam, and those who committed these barbaric acts in London [on July 7, 2005] are criminals not martyrs. Such acts, as perpetrated in London, are crimes against all of humanity and contrary to the teachings of Islam. … The Holy Quran declares: ‘Whoever kills a human being… then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.’ (Quran, Surah al-Maidah (5), verse 32) Islam’s position is clear and unequivocal: Murder of one soul is the murder of the whole of humanity; he who shows no respect for human life is an enemy of humanity.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">British Muslim Forum, press release of July 18, 2005 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20060114013624/http://www.britishmuslimforum.org/view_press_release.php?id=26)).
Fiqh Council of North America, an association of 18 Muslim legal scholars, fatwa endorsed by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the Muslim American Society (MAS), the Association of Muslim Social Scientists (AMSS), the Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers (AMSE), the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), and more than 130 Muslim organizations, mosques and leaders in the United States:
“We have consistently condemned terrorism and extremism in all forms and under all circumstances, and we reiterate this unequivocal position. Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram – prohibited in Islam – and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not ‘martyrs.’”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“Fatwa by U.S. Muslims Against Religious Extremism,” July 25, 2005 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20050910181656/http://www.mpac.org/bucket_downloads/fatwa-on-terrorism.pdf)).
Islamic Society of North America, Anti-Terrrorism Anti-Extremism Committee:
“Humanity lives today in an interdependent and interconnected world where peaceful and fair interaction, including interfaith and intra-faith dialogue, is imperative. A grave threat to all of us nowadays is the scourge of religious and political extremism that manifests itself in various forms of violence, including terrorism. In the absence of a universally agreed upon definition of terrorism, it may be defined as any act of indiscriminate violence that targets innocent people, whether committed by individuals, groups or states. As Muslims, we must face up to our responsibility to clarify and advocate a faith-based, righteous and moral position with regard to this problem, especially when terrorist acts are perpetrated in the name of Islam. The purpose of this brochure is to clarify a few key issues relating to this topic, not because of external pressures or for the sake of “political correctness”, but out of our sincere conviction of what Islam stands for.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Islamic Society of North America, “Against Terrorism and Religious Extremism: Muslim Position and Responsibilities,” 2005 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20051104040739/http://www.balancedislam.org/ATAECbrochure.pdf)).
Shaykh Abdulaziz Al-Asheikh, chief mufti of Saudi Arabia:
The London attacks, “targeting peaceful people, are not condoned by Islam, and are indeed prohibited by our religion. … Attributing to Islam acts of individual or collective killings, bombings, destruction of properties and the terrorizing of peaceful people is unfair, because they are alien to the divine religion.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Fatwa-Online (http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0050709.htm), July 9, 2005.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab al-’Aqeel, professor of creed (‘aqeedah) at the College of Proselytising (da’wah), Islamic University of Madinah, Saudi Arabia:
“Terrorism is the terror that is caused by those groups or individuals who resort to killing and wreaking havoc and destruction. Terrorism is therefore, according to the contemporary compilers of modern Arabic dictionaries, killing akin to the riotous killing that is mentioned within the texts of Shar’eeah. As the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wassallam) mentioned with regards to the signs of the end of time, the spread of ‘al-Harj’ (riotous killing). The meaning of ‘al-Harj’ is killing and the increase of the spilling blood, which is all from the signs of the end of time. To the extent that the one killing will not know why he is killing and the one that was killed will not know why he/she was killed. Islam is free from this riotous killing, free from this terrorism and free from this kind of corruption. Terrorism is established upon destruction of properties such as factories, farms, places of worship, train stations, airports and the likes; Islam is clearly free from such actions that are based upon corruption and not upon rectification. Terrorists usually say that they are going against the state in which they are based within. This is like the mafia or other criminal organisations that are based on killing people, causing fear and taking their monies. Such criminal organisations have leaders, deputies and individuals that are responsible for establishing regulations for the organisation and individuals responsible for carrying out attacks, and all of them are terrorists causing corruption on the earth. However the ugliest face of terrorism is that which is established in the name of religion, all of the religions from the Prophets (peace be upon them) are free from such terrorism, even if some of the followers of the Prophets participated in such terrorist activities, but the Prophets are free from such corruptions.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Lecture on “The Evils of Terrorism,” August 20, 2005, translated in Islam Against Terrorism – v1.20 (http://www.fatwa-online.com/downloads/dow004/islamagainstterrorism.chm), September 17, 2005.
Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti, Malaysian Muslim scholar and research fellow in Islamic philosophy and theology, Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies, U.K.:
“If you still insist that your [religious or civil] authority should declare war with the non-Muslim state upon which you wish war to be declared, then the most you could do in this capacity is to lobby your authority for it. However, if your anger is so unrestrained that its fire brings out the worst in you to the point that your disagreement with your Muslim authority leads you to declare war on those you want your authority to declare war on, and you end up resorting to violence, then know with certainty that you have violated our own religious Laws. For then you will have taken the Shari’a into your own hands.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti, Defending the Transgressed by Censuring the Reckless against the Killing of Civilians (http://www.warda.info/fatwa.pdf), Germany: Warda Publications, and United Kingdom: Aqsa Press, 2005, p.49.
Abd al-Hakim Murad, British Muslim scholar:
“This is a decadence that is profound. And that it happens in the holy land is particularly worrying. Near the muqadsāt, where we are particularly required to conform entirely to the adāb of the Shari’ah. This is a deep subversion. And as for those who think that for reasons of masfahah that the door can be opened there, but somehow that door will remain closed elsewhere in the world, that this door can be opened because the Palestinians are so oppressed and somehow it’s going to help them, but of course we keep it closed in Chechnya and Kahsmir and certainly in London, that logic doesn’t seem to have worked too well. That rage, that desire to self annihilation, to lash out and the men, women and children, whoever in the vicinity, is now becoming a global epidemic. And the ‘ulama who opened the little door now see these legions rushing through it in every place don’t know what to do about it. That door has to be closed. Islam is too good for such practices, for such baseness, for such wild expression of futility and despair and vindictiveness.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Interview, December 16-18, 2005, London-Leeds-Manchester (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20080204012830/http://www.radicalmiddleway.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=45)).
Islamic Society of North America:
“The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) condemns in the strongest terms the recent acts of terrorism in Glasgow, London and Yemen. We reaffirm our long-standing, unqualified condemnation of all acts of terrorism and all acts of violence committed against the innocent, and our denunciation of religious extremism and particularly the use of Islam to justify terrorism in any of its forms. We sympathize with the victims of these senseless attacks and offer our heart-felt condolences to the families who have lost their dear ones.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">“Islamic Society of North America Statement in Response to Recent Bombings,” July 10, 2007 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20070822033342/http://www.isna.net/index.php?id=35&backPID=1&tt_news=884)).
Maulana Marghubur Rahman, organizer of “Anti-Terrorism Convention” and rector of the Dar ul-Ulum Deoband madrasa, India:
“We condemn all forms of terrorism … and in this we make no distinction. Terrorism is completely wrong, no matter who engages in it, and no matter what religion he follows or community he belongs to.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">February 2008, translated by Yoginder Sikand (http://www.twocircles.net/2008mar11/deobands_anti_terrorism_convention_some_reflection s.html).
Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, founding leader of Minhaj-ul-Quran International, Pakistan:
“[T]he killing of Muslims and the perpetration of terrorism are not only unlawful and forbidden in Islam but also represent the rejection of faith.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Fatwa on Suicide Bombings and Terrorism (http://www.fatwaonterrorism.com/), March 2, 2010.
New Mardin Declaration, Turkey:
“Ibn Taymiyya’s fatwa concerning Mardin can under no circumstances be appropriated and used as evidence for leveling the charge of kufr (unbelief) against fellow Muslims, rebelling against rulers, deeming game their lives and property, terrorizing those who enjoy safety and security, acting treacherously towards those who live (in harmony) with fellow Muslims or with whom fellow Muslims live (in harmony) via the bond of citizenship and peace.”
<small style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">The New Mardin Declaration (http://www.mardin-fatwa.com/attach/Mardin_Declaration_English.pdf), March 28, 2010 (Arabic version (http://www.mardin-fatwa.com/attach/mardin_2010_arabic.pdf)).
More statements are released by Muslim organizations and religious scholars on a regular basis, but multiplying the examples may not persuade those who dismiss these dozens of examples.
[h=2]OTHER COLLECTIONS OF ISLAMIC STATEMENTS AGAINST TERRORISMSheila Musaji, “Muslims Denounce Terrorism: Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism (http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_2).”
Omid Safi, “Scholars of Islam & the Tragedy of Sept. 11th (http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm).
Tim Lubin, Washington and Lee University, “Islamic Responses to the Sept. 11 Attack (http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint/islamonWTC.htm).”
The Becket Fund, “Osama Bin Laden Hijacked Four Airplanes and a Religion,” October 17, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011027142701/http://www.becketfund.org/other/MuslimAd.html)).
Islam for Today, “Muslims Against Terrorism (http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm).”
ReligiousTolerance.org, “Aftermath of the 9-11 Terrorist Attack: Voices of Moderate Muslims (http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter16.htm).”
Al-Muhajabah’s Islamic Pages, “Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks (http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php).”
Juan Cole, “Friedman Wrong About Muslims Again (http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html),” July 9, 2005.
Fatwa-Online, “Worship \ Jihaad \ WTC – New York, USA – 9/11 (http://www.fatwa-online.com/worship/jihaad/jih007/index.htm).”
Fatwa-Online, “Worship \ Jihaad \ Terrorism and Suicide Bombings (http://www.fatwa-online.com/worship/jihaad/jih004/index.htm).”


OK I am confused here I see jafar called Dumb ass more than by his name , is that what that islamic writing translates , Just call me Dumb ass :laugh:

And he wonders why I ignored him.

I assume this is to me, being that you quoted no one and I started the thread. You'll note that the subject even states "extremist".

Why is an "extremist" nut even getting the publicity? These people are being presented as representatives of Islam just as those who set off car bombs in places like Iraq are just because they may or may not be of Arab descent.

red states rule

04-17-2013, 02:23 AM

Show me what part of Islam supports this nonsense? Put up or shut up.

Jafar, you remind me of the Germans my Dad talked about when he was in Germany after the Nazi's lost WWII. He was in Germany right after the war ended and he was shocked by the brutality of the Nazi's and the mass murder they committed

But what he could not believe was not a single person could be found that would admit to be a member of the Nazi party, admitted they knew what was going on, knew someone who committed these crimes, or doing simple office work for the Nazi party

No, they were not a member of the party. No they did not commit any of the crimes. No they did not know what was going on. No someone else did those things not them. Or the classic excuse they were just following orders.

You remind me of those people. When confronted with the crimes of the Third Reich they plead ignorance. You do the same when confronted with the crimes of Islam.

red states rule

04-17-2013, 02:26 AM

Red that was an interesting list and there's NO doubt that there are Muslim terrorist out there killing people.

I guess my only caveat to your list is that ...well I've been told on several occasions that if you are in a war zone and get killed it's on you or your collateral damage. too bad. "that's war". A lot of your list are from countries that we are bombing or are otherwise "at war".
Iraq
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Syria

You also mentioned several that are in nigeria. i've mentioned before that my wife lived in Nigeria and has some family there. the terrorist there are attacking the Christians left and right. But mainly it's a small group that's not really Muslim, they are like a Muslim Luddite cult then there are other random violent Muslims that decided to attack a group of Christians or pastors or churches because of some imagined offense. Most of northern Nigeria is Muslim and that where the issues are mainly.
And i mention that to point out something.
A lot of the hysteria about Muslims gonna attack the US and kill us all is based on all of the attacks we see in Nigeria and elsewhere are largely unfounded imo. The attacks there are local.

it'd be like saying that the local KKK are going to fly to Israel and bomb Jews in Jerusalem and take over Israel.

Sure it's possible i guess but how much time should the Jews in Israel spend worrying about Alabama KKK.
"they hate us and want us to die"
"they are well armed"
"they brag on there web sites and they burned a church and painted a synagogue and firebombed a rabbis house in Mobile yesterday."
OK yes thats terrible but, take over Israel? really?

and i'll add this to the mix just so we don't make it all black and white here.

Ihttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/egypts-muslim-brotherhood-condemns-boston-marathon-bombings-deems-them-sinful/2013/04/16/6bf6626e-a69c-11e2-9e1c-bb0fb0c2edd9_story.html

do i trust the Muslum brotherhood. um noooo.
but at the least they know what to say to the country who's supplying them weapons in Egypt, Syria Libya and elsewhere.

What gets me the most about this administration and their view of the world is summed up by this fact

They are busting their ass to restrict the 2nd amendment rights of law abiding citizens while at the same time giving F-16 fighter jets to the Muslim Brotherhood

So I gather Rev you are pulling a Ron Paul on us and saying the folks in Boston brought the attack on themselves?

Marcus Aurelius

04-17-2013, 09:41 AM

Islam rejects terrorism. There is noting in Islam that could be remotely used to support terrorism.

You're a lying sack of whale shit.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.

Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's many calls to violence according to what their own moral preconceptions find justificable. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny.
This sounds exactly like our Jahil.

Quran (2:191-193) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/002-qmt.php#002.191) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

The historical context (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-medina-persecution.htm) of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-mecca-tolerance.htm)).

Quran (2:216) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/002-qmt.php#002.216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.

Quran (3:151) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/003-qmt.php#003.151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (5:33) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/005-qmt.php#005.033) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.

tailfins

04-17-2013, 11:12 AM

Islam rejects terrorism. There is noting in Islam that could be remotely used to support terrorism.

I could post a bunch of stuff here but maybe I should just let others speak like this 600 page fatwa condemning terrorism that was released a few years ago.

http://www.fatwaonterrorism.com/fatwa_on_terrorism.php

Also, Islamic leaders have one or two words to say about terrorism.

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

And he wonders why I ignored him.

Why is an "extremist" nut even getting the publicity? These people are being presented as representatives of Islam just as those who set off car bombs in places like Iraq are just because they may or may not be of Arab descent.

Irrespective of what any philosophy teaches, from a public safety perspective an effective profile needs to be developed.

You're a lying sack of whale shit.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

This sounds exactly like our Jahil.

Is all this hyperbole really necessary?

jimnyc

04-17-2013, 11:21 AM

Islam rejects terrorism. There is noting in Islam that could be remotely used to support terrorism.

This is what confuses me, Jafar. You claim that Islam rejects terrorism and your proof is that nothing within Islam teaching supports it. If someone shows that a Muslim did such an act, we are told "they are not true Muslims". While I won't dispute that the Quran and such teach people to commit terror acts, the majority of these people committing the acts ARE Muslims.

Islam may not support terrorism, but a LOT more should be done to stop the terrorism within Islam. And yep, you have posted those quotes before, which is cool, but its actions that need to be done in order to stop this wave of terrorism. Tiny little cities in the US do more to combat terrorism than most Islamic countries do. There are non-stop "extremists" popping up around the world. They are teaching the young and inciting violence. These people should be in jail, but they run free, and generally get a lot of support as well.

jimnyc

04-17-2013, 11:22 AM

tailfins

04-17-2013, 11:33 AM

This is what confuses me, Jafar. You claim that Islam rejects terrorism and your proof is that nothing within Islam teaching supports it. If someone shows that a Muslim did such an act, we are told "they are not true Muslims". While I won't dispute that the Quran and such teach people to commit terror acts, the majority of these people committing the acts ARE Muslims.

Islam may not support terrorism, but a LOT more should be done to stop the terrorism within Islam. And yep, you have posted those quotes before, which is cool, but its actions that need to be done in order to stop this wave of terrorism. Tiny little cities in the US do more to combat terrorism than most Islamic countries do. There are non-stop "extremists" popping up around the world. They are teaching the young and inciting violence. These people should be in jail, but they run free, and generally get a lot of support as well.

We as Americans need to preserve our safety with information we have. Foreign parties withholding information may increase collateral damage, which becomes their problem.

jimnyc

04-17-2013, 11:37 AM

We as Americans need to preserve our safety with information we have. Foreign parties withholding information may increase collateral damage, which becomes their problem.

If they withhold, and don't help put an and to terrorism, allow extremists to continue inciting... Then they shouldn't complain when other countries band together to do the job for them.

revelarts

04-17-2013, 01:18 PM

Jafar, you remind me of the Germans my Dad talked about when he was in Germany after the Nazi's lost WWII. He was in Germany right after the war ended and he was shocked by the brutality of the Nazi's and the mass murder they committed
But what he could not believe was not a single person could be found that would admit to be a member of the Nazi party, admitted they knew what was going on, knew someone who committed these crimes, or doing simple office work for the Nazi party
No, they were not a member of the party. No they did not commit any of the crimes. No they did not know what was going on. No someone else did those things not them. Or the classic excuse they were just following orders.
You remind me of those people. When confronted with the crimes of the Third Reich they plead ignorance. You do the same when confronted with the crimes of Islam.

that's sound like the pot calling the kettle black abit to me.
yep i went there.

sorry,
May sound extreme, Americans are not "terrorist" ---not until the gov't says so antway--, but America's military has killed a lot of folks --on orders-- (Did congress ever declare Libya? Did Libya ever attack the U.S.? no and no. do we need to mention Iraq...) and in several other threads, if the gov't says the persons needs to be dead or tortured thats good enough for many on the right and many other Americans. And if people get in the way that's just to bad they shouldn't be hanging with or living in a country with terrorist.
torture? fine. kidnapping? no problem, when we do it.
In jail forever no trial? if the gov't says your a terrorist, so what, we don't give a flip.
Americas hands are clean clean clean, we never done no wrong no how and never will.
Make a mistake? weeell maybe but ...well... nobodies perfect
And Most americans don't even want to know if there were mistakes and makes excuses it they were not mistakes but flat out wrongs. Abugriad, a few bad apples.. that were following orders. and some soldiers are mad at the whistle blower. Some report that abugraid was not alone.. but no ones talking and some americans don't wanna know becuase, our boys don't do things like that.

Btw, NOTHING in America supports murder. If anything, EVERYTHING we are taught growing up is that it's wrong and goes against everything an American stands for. So while we have a lot of murders in our country, they are really not Americans, as we are all taught otherwise.
Does that make sense?
Awalikis son was murdered, Were those that did that americans? Some have been tortured to death, are those CIA and military folks Americans.

I'm not saying the terrorist are better. I'm saying we should be as you describe, and not give a pass to our own terrorist like and murderous actions.
I know some of you can't imagine Americans that way, it seems offensive. Like calling your favorite uncle a pedophile. It's just unthinkable. But really think honestly about the native americans and dead Hawaiians, the black slaves, and civil rights workers killed by the fed, state and local authorities.
and recently the emergency workers bombed while they tried to do there jobs in the M.E. attending to the wounded from other drone strikes .
Amada Harra, Canadian, CIA rendered him to the M.E. and tortured for no d@mn reason and never even gave an apology etc etc...

just as reds German friend ignored or was unaware of the atrocities done in their countries name, so many Americans like to gloss over all similar acts done by our country.

We can't honestly celebrate in and brag about our goodness and generosity and at the same time want everyone to ignore, forget, forgive and/or justify all the evil actions.

Are the Germans any more evil than any other nation? Nope, but they allowed themselves to drift to the dark side of their human nature. And didn't even see it while they were in the darkest parts.

And it seems to me that as Adults we ought to be able to admit what our country is and has done and not try to prop up some grade school fantasy image of ourselves as whited hated cowboys. Especially if we have no intention of trying to live up to it when as a country we don't get our way.

PostmodernProphet

04-17-2013, 02:02 PM

What part of Christianity tried to prevent what Tim McVeigh did?

you realize that McVeigh considered himself an atheist, right?.......

jimnyc

04-17-2013, 02:08 PM

I believe you missed my sarcasm, Rev. I'm not discussing and specific instances - but OF COURSE no one would get a pass simply because they are American. Nor would they get a pass as describing them as "not Americans" because we don't teach civilians to murder.

IOW, Tongue was planted firmly in cheek. Fucker. :)

Marcus Aurelius

04-17-2013, 02:08 PM

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tailfins http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=631590#post631590)

What part of Christianity tried to prevent what Tim McVeigh did?

you realize that McVeigh considered himself an atheist, right?.......

why cloud things with facts?

red states rule

04-17-2013, 03:05 PM

that's sound like the pot calling the kettle black abit to me.
yep i went there.

sorry,
May sound extreme, Americans are not "terrorist" ---not until the gov't says so antway--, but America's military has killed a lot of folks --on orders-- (Did congress ever declare Libya? Did Libya ever attack the U.S.? no and no. do we need to mention Iraq...) and in several other threads, if the gov't says the persons needs to be dead or tortured thats good enough for many on the right and many other Americans. And if people get in the way that's just to bad they shouldn't be hanging with or living in a country with terrorist.
torture? fine. kidnapping? no problem, when we do it.
In jail forever no trial? if the gov't says your a terrorist, so what, we don't give a flip.
Americas hands are clean clean clean, we never done no wrong no how and never will.
Make a mistake? weeell maybe but ...well... nobodies perfect
And Most americans don't even want to know if there were mistakes and makes excuses it they were not mistakes but flat out wrongs. Abugriad, a few bad apples.. that were following orders. and some soldiers are mad at the whistle blower. Some report that abugraid was not alone.. but no ones talking and some americans don't wanna know becuase, our boys don't do things like that.

Awalikis son was murdered, Were those that did that americans? Some have been tortured to death, are those CIA and military folks Americans.

I'm not saying the terrorist are better. I'm saying we should be as you describe, and not give a pass to our own terrorist like and murderous actions.
I know some of you can't imagine Americans that way, it seems offensive. Like calling your favorite uncle a pedophile. It's just unthinkable. But really think honestly about the native americans and dead Hawaiians, the black slaves, and civil rights workers killed by the fed, state and local authorities.
and recently the emergency workers bombed while they tried to do there jobs in the M.E. attending to the wounded from other drone strikes .
Amada Harra, Canadian, CIA rendered him to the M.E. and tortured for no d@mn reason and never even gave an apology etc etc...

just as reds German friend ignored or was unaware of the atrocities done in their countries name, so many Americans like to gloss over all similar acts done by our country.

We can't honestly celebrate in and brag about our goodness and generosity and at the same time want everyone to ignore, forget, forgive and/or justify all the evil actions.

Are the Germans any more evil than any other nation? Nope, but they allowed themselves to drift to the dark side of their human nature. And didn't even see it while they were in the darkest parts.

And it seems to me that as Adults we ought to be able to admit what our country is and has done and not try to prop up some grade school fantasy image of ourselves as whited hated cowboys. Especially if we have no intention of trying to live up to it when as a country we don't get our way.

Rev, the Us is not in the same ballpark with the Nazi's

The terrorists have it soft at GITMO and not even the inmates at a Super Max prison come close to the living conditions the inmates in concentration camps endured

I know Jafar thinks this video is fake, but watch it Rev and then tel me again how the US in anywhere near like the Nazi's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWvAqJNixyo

My dad never recovered from what he saw during WWII and he took those memories to his grave

jafar00

04-17-2013, 07:51 PM

Btw, NOTHING in America supports murder. If anything, EVERYTHING we are taught growing up is that it's wrong and goes against everything an American stands for. So while we have a lot of murders in our country, they are really not Americans, as we are all taught otherwise.

Does that make sense?

That doesn't make sense. You don't cease to be American if you stop believing in American values and act in a manner that is contrary to them. Faith is different. Once you act contrary to the Qur'aan and to the Sunna, you leave the fold of Islam and become an unbeliever. Such is the fate of those who let off suicide bombs in crowded markets. They become kuffar because of two things. 1) They killed innocents (usually Muslims these days which is worse) 2) They committed suicide.

red states rule

04-18-2013, 02:22 AM

That doesn't make sense. You don't cease to be American if you stop believing in American values and act in a manner that is contrary to them. Faith is different. Once you act contrary to the Qur'aan and to the Sunna, you leave the fold of Islam and become an unbeliever. Such is the fate of those who let off suicide bombs in crowded markets. They become kuffar because of two things. 1) They killed innocents (usually Muslims these days which is worse) 2) They committed suicide.

In case you missed the first time jafar

Jafar, you remind me of the Germans my Dad talked about when he was in Germany after the Nazi's lost WWII. He was in Germany right after the war ended and he was shocked by the brutality of the Nazi's and the mass murder they committed

But what he could not believe was not a single person could be found that would admit to be a member of the Nazi party, admitted they knew what was going on, knew someone who committed these crimes, or doing simple office work for the Nazi party

No, they were not a member of the party. No they did not commit any of the crimes. No they did not know what was going on. No someone else did those things not them. Or the classic excuse they were just following orders.

You remind me of those people. When confronted with the crimes of the Third Reich they plead ignorance. You do the same when confronted with the crimes of Islam.

jafar00

04-18-2013, 06:42 AM

In case you missed the first time jafar

Jafar, you remind me of the Germans my Dad talked about when he was in Germany after the Nazi's lost WWII. He was in Germany right after the war ended and he was shocked by the brutality of the Nazi's and the mass murder they committed

But what he could not believe was not a single person could be found that would admit to be a member of the Nazi party, admitted they knew what was going on, knew someone who committed these crimes, or doing simple office work for the Nazi party

No, they were not a member of the party. No they did not commit any of the crimes. No they did not know what was going on. No someone else did those things not them. Or the classic excuse they were just following orders.

You remind me of those people. When confronted with the crimes of the Third Reich they plead ignorance. You do the same when confronted with the crimes of Islam.

Islam is not a murderous regime led by an insane tyrant. Your application of Godwin's Law is flawed.

Marcus Aurelius

04-18-2013, 06:58 AM

Islam is not a murderous regime led by an insane tyrant. Your application of Godwin's Law is flawed.

No, it's a false religion started by an illiterate, power hunger pedophile. No wonder you identify do closely with it.

jimnyc

04-18-2013, 11:15 AM

That doesn't make sense. You don't cease to be American if you stop believing in American values and act in a manner that is contrary to them. Faith is different. Once you act contrary to the Qur'aan and to the Sunna, you leave the fold of Islam and become an unbeliever. Such is the fate of those who let off suicide bombs in crowded markets. They become kuffar because of two things. 1) They killed innocents (usually Muslims these days which is worse) 2) They committed suicide.

I am more than happy to change the way I state things. So if you have terrorists, abusers and such, and they are in various countries all around the world, which coincidentally are Islamic, and the people are coincidentally Muslims - what should I call them? I know these people don't speak for the masses, but they are in fact coming from Islamic countries and they are in fact Muslims. I am taught that Islam is a way of life, not just a faith. I really don't see any way to describe these people other than what I already do. This doesn't mean that what they are doing was taught to them via the Quran, but they ARE still in fact Muslims.

jafar00

04-18-2013, 03:28 PM

I am more than happy to change the way I state things. So if you have terrorists, abusers and such, and they are in various countries all around the world, which coincidentally are Islamic, and the people are coincidentally Muslims - what should I call them? I know these people don't speak for the masses, but they are in fact coming from Islamic countries and they are in fact Muslims. I am taught that Islam is a way of life, not just a faith. I really don't see any way to describe these people other than what I already do. This doesn't mean that what they are doing was taught to them via the Quran, but they ARE still in fact Muslims.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be an aardvark.

If Islam is a way of life as you say, what do you call those who act completely contrary to it?

Marcus Aurelius

04-18-2013, 03:30 PM

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be an aardvark.

If Islam is a way of life as you say, what do you call those who act completely contrary to it?

I call them Jahil.

jimnyc

04-18-2013, 03:33 PM

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be an aardvark.

If Islam is a way of life as you say, what do you call those who act completely contrary to it?

You're avoiding the question. What are we to call them? Are we not calling them exactly what they are? Just because one murders, that instantly means they are no longer a Muslim? I don't think so. No more than when an American or Christian calls do they magically no longer be a Christian or an American. Might not be what we agree with, but they still are what they are. You are trying to distance yourself from Muslim radicals, which I fully understand, but disowning them on all levels doesn't change who they are/were.

jafar00

04-18-2013, 06:18 PM

You're avoiding the question. What are we to call them? Are we not calling them exactly what they are? Just because one murders, that instantly means they are no longer a Muslim? I don't think so. No more than when an American or Christian calls do they magically no longer be a Christian or an American. Might not be what we agree with, but they still are what they are. You are trying to distance yourself from Muslim radicals, which I fully understand, but disowning them on all levels doesn't change who they are/were.

No, one indiscretion does not make one leave Islam. Multiple sins and a complete departure from Islam do.

What should you call them? Call them what they are. Terrorists. Criminals. Putting Islamic in front of terrorist makes it an oxymoron since terrorism runs counter to everything that Islam stands for.

What do you call Americans who call themselves Christians, yet never, pray, go to Church, or ever read Bible?

tailfins

04-18-2013, 06:23 PM

jimnyc

04-18-2013, 06:43 PM

No, one indiscretion does not make one leave Islam. Multiple sins and a complete departure from Islam do.

What should you call them? Call them what they are. Terrorists. Criminals. Putting Islamic in front of terrorist makes it an oxymoron since terrorism runs counter to everything that Islam stands for.

What do you call Americans who call themselves Christians, yet never, pray, go to Church, or ever read Bible?

Not really very Christian then. But presumably, if Islam is a way of life and not just a religion, than these terrorists were likely at one time followers of the faith, and lived the life of a Muslim. Why can't you just recognize that there are a lot of Muslims out there, who while follow their faith, have evil in mind and justify their terror ways with their religion? And when one would say that this "terrorist was a Muslim" would be the truth. Claim they went off the path, didn't follow the religion properly or a litany of any other reasons - but they are still Muslims who committed terror attacks. They still happen predominantly in Islamic countries too. Or should I say they happen in "other countries"?

Drummond

04-18-2013, 07:11 PM

Irrespective of what any philosophy teaches, from a public safety perspective an effective profile needs to be developed.

... Indeed. From a 'public safety perspective', an effective profile will have much to teach us (for those needing such a lesson, anyway).

Earlier on in this thread, a post was added which serves the purpose well .. and most definitely 'from a public safety perspective' !!!

See ...

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?40254-Jordan-extremist-praises-Boston-bombing&p=631534#post631534

You want to learn about what Islamists get up to ? What they obsessively indulge in ? Then look at the post !!!

Drummond

04-18-2013, 07:15 PM

if islam is a way of life as you say, what do you call those who act completely contrary to it?

.... civilised.

Marcus Aurelius

04-18-2013, 07:18 PM

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jimnyc http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=632076#post632076)
You're avoiding the question. What are we to call them? Are we not calling them exactly what they are? Just because one murders, that instantly means they are no longer a Muslim? I don't think so. No more than when an American or Christian calls do they magically no longer be a Christian or an American. Might not be what we agree with, but they still are what they are. You are trying to distance yourself from Muslim radicals, which I fully understand, but disowning them on all levels doesn't change who they are/were.

No, one indiscretion does not make one leave Islam. Multiple sins and a complete departure from Islam do.

What should you call them? Call them what they are. Terrorists. Criminals. Putting Islamic in front of terrorist makes it an oxymoron since terrorism runs counter to everything that Islam stands for.

What do you call Americans who call themselves Christians, yet never, pray, go to Church, or ever read Bible?

Wow... in the same post you say an Islamic man who commits an act of terror is still Islamic... then go on to say that committing an act of terror is not Islamic so we cannot call him Islamic.

You're a complete loon.

Then, you compare Christians who do not read the Bible, to terrorists? Tell me, Jahil, how many people have been killed because a Christian didn't pray or read his Bible?

Complete, utter dumbass.

tailfins

04-18-2013, 09:05 PM

... Indeed. From a 'public safety perspective', an effective profile will have much to teach us (for those needing such a lesson, anyway).

Earlier on in this thread, a post was added which serves the purpose well .. and most definitely 'from a public safety perspective' !!!

See ...

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?40254-Jordan-extremist-praises-Boston-bombing&p=631534#post631534

You want to learn about what Islamists get up to ? What they obsessively indulge in ? Then look at the post !!!

The machinery of anti-terrorism must be both results effective and cost effective while minimizing the inconvenience to the general public. Just being Muslim won't cut it. The emotion needs to be taken out of it. Profiling must be done scientifically where the probability of committing a terrorist act is the predicted behavior. If being Muslim or a certain type of Muslim turns out to predict, then fine. However I'm sure it wouldn't be the sole factor.

aboutime

04-18-2013, 09:08 PM

Wow... in the same post you say an Islamic man who commits an act of terror is still Islamic... then go on to say that committing an act of terror is not Islamic so we cannot call him Islamic.

You're a complete loon.

Then, you compare Christians who do not read the Bible, to terrorists? Tell me, Jahil, how many people have been killed because a Christian didn't pray or read his Bible?

Complete, utter dumbass.

Jafar or Jahil...qualifications are...4873 4874

red states rule

04-21-2013, 05:40 AM

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb_c10872920130420120100.jpg

jafar00

04-21-2013, 04:14 PM

Not really very Christian then. But presumably, if Islam is a way of life and not just a religion, than these terrorists were likely at one time followers of the faith, and lived the life of a Muslim. Why can't you just recognize that there are a lot of Muslims out there, who while follow their faith, have evil in mind and justify their terror ways with their religion? And when one would say that this "terrorist was a Muslim" would be the truth. Claim they went off the path, didn't follow the religion properly or a litany of any other reasons - but they are still Muslims who committed terror attacks. They still happen predominantly in Islamic countries too. Or should I say they happen in "other countries"?

Islam is a guide for life. If you take the bits you like and disgard the bits you don't, you become Mushriq (Hypocrite). Ask your Muslim friends about that. It also makes you like a Wahhabi.

jimnyc

04-21-2013, 04:21 PM

Islam is a guide for life. If you take the bits you like and disgard the bits you don't, you become Mushriq (Hypocrite). Ask your Muslim friends about that. It also makes you like a Wahhabi.

Ok, but would such a person literally no longer be a Muslim? No longer part of the Islamic faith, even if they believe? Isn't a hypocritical Muslim, still a Muslim? If it were like any other religion, I could see the separation, but with Islam I was taught that the whole "Muslim" thing is a way of life. I can't imagine NOT calling someone a Muslim who lived as a Muslim say for 20-30 years, and then went off the path. They are basically Muslims who turned into bad eggs is all.

These people (the bad eggs) think they are Islamic, Muslims, they think they are following the faith. They think they are good eggs. They are very misguided. But in their eyes they are Muslim and them killing on their warped vision of Islam.

Robert A Whit

04-21-2013, 04:30 PM

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jafar00 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=633001#post633001)
Islam is a guide for life. If you take the bits you like and disgard the bits you don't, you become Mushriq (Hypocrite). Ask your Muslim friends about that. It also makes you like a Wahhabi.

Ok, but would such a person literally no longer be a Muslim? No longer part of the Islamic faith, even if they believe? Isn't a hypocritical Muslim, still a Muslim? If it were like any other religion, I could see the separation, but with Islam I was taught that the whole "Muslim" thing is a way of life. I can't imagine NOT calling someone a Muslim who lived as a Muslim say for 20-30 years, and then went off the path. They are basically Muslims who turned into bad eggs is all.

These people (the bad eggs) think they are Islamic, Muslims, they think they are following the faith. They think they are good eggs. They are very misguided. But in their eyes they are Muslim and them killing on their warped vision of Islam.

The question for me is basic. Is bombing people what Muslims are supposed to do, or are the bombers outcasts.

I think many of us want to see the Muslims saying they are for peace, to put a lot of distance between themselves and the bombers.

In short, they must denounce the bombers. They must not act as if those are operating within the blessings of Muslims.

Marcus Aurelius

04-21-2013, 08:06 PM

Islam is a guide for life. If you take the bits you like and disgard the bits you don't, you become Mushriq (Hypocrite). Ask your Muslim friends about that. It also makes you like a Wahhabi.

That would technically make YOU one, Jahil... as you've stated that you would not 'today' allow your 6 year old daughter to marry, or have sex with her 45 year old 'husband' when she was 9... while Mohammad did exactly that. Are you going to claim Mohammed was not 'really Muslim?

Marcus Aurelius

04-21-2013, 08:07 PM

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=632143#post632143)
Wow... in the same post you say an Islamic man who commits an act of terror is still Islamic... then go on to say that committing an act of terror is not Islamic so we cannot call him Islamic.

You're a complete loon.

Then, you compare Christians who do not read the Bible, to terrorists? Tell me, Jahil, how many people have been killed because a Christian didn't pray or read his Bible?

Complete, utter dumbass.

Jafar or Jahil...qualifications are...4873 4874

Notice he never answered?

aboutime

04-21-2013, 08:14 PM

Notice he never answered?

Yup! It's the cowardly way, hiding behind the Ignore feature. Pretending NOT to be aware, and relieved not to show any
personal responsibility...through hiding.

jafar00

04-21-2013, 08:58 PM

Ok, but would such a person literally no longer be a Muslim? No longer part of the Islamic faith, even if they believe? Isn't a hypocritical Muslim, still a Muslim? If it were like any other religion, I could see the separation, but with Islam I was taught that the whole "Muslim" thing is a way of life. I can't imagine NOT calling someone a Muslim who lived as a Muslim say for 20-30 years, and then went off the path. They are basically Muslims who turned into bad eggs is all.

These people (the bad eggs) think they are Islamic, Muslims, they think they are following the faith. They think they are good eggs. They are very misguided. But in their eyes they are Muslim and them killing on their warped vision of Islam.

"Bad Eggs" end up in hell.

I remember the story about a man called Barsees. In a nutshell, Barsees was the most devout in worship for all of his life. One day, 4 brothers who had to go and fight came to Barsees and asked him to look after their sister. After first refusing, he agreed. Long story short, he had sex with her (zina or sex outside of marriage), had a child, killed the child out of shame, then killed the sister. The 4 brothers found out (from satan) and crucified Barsees and he died as an unbeliever and went to hell.

This story is told to most people who learn about Islam as an example of letting the whispers of satan lead you astray from the right path.

Terrorists have let satan whisper in their ear and has made them do things far outside of Islam. They die as unbelievers and servants of satan.

The question for me is basic. Is bombing people what Muslims are supposed to do, or are the bombers outcasts.

I think many of us want to see the Muslims saying they are for peace, to put a lot of distance between themselves and the bombers.

In short, they must denounce the bombers. They must not act as if those are operating within the blessings of Muslims.

I do and have denounced the bombers as I denounce anyone who kills innocent people, US forces included.

We have been condemning terrorism for quite some time now. Haven't you been listening?

Here is a little list that I post from time to time. Please take note this time so I don't have to keep posting it over and over and over again.

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:
“The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”
MSANews, September 14, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010920150230/http://msanews.mynet.net/MSANEWS/200109/20010917.15.html)).
Arabic original in al-Quds al-Arabi (http://81.144.208.20:9090/pdf/2001/09Sep/14%20Sep%20Fri/Quds02.pdf) (London), September 14, 2001, p. 2.
Shaykh Yusuf Qaradawi, Qatar; Tariq Bishri, Egypt; Muhammad S. Awwa, Egypt; Fahmi Huwaydi, Egypt; Haytham Khayyat, Syria; Shaykh Taha Jabir al-Alwani, U.S.:
“All Muslims ought to be united against all those who terrorize the innocents, and those who permit the killing of non-combatants without a justifiable reason. Islam has declared the spilling of blood and the destruction of property as absolute prohibitions until the Day of Judgment. … necessary to apprehend the true perpetrators of these crimes, as well as those who aid and abet them through incitement, financing or other support. They must be brought to justice in an impartial court of law and [punished] appropriately. … [It is] a duty of Muslims to participate in this effort with all possible means.”
Statement of September 27, 2001 (http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/Qaradawi).
[I]Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt:
“Attacking innocent people is not courageous, it is stupid and will be punished on the day of judgement. … It’s not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom, it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.”
Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001
Abdel-Mo’tei Bayyoumi, al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy, Cairo, Egypt:
“There is no terrorism or a threat to civilians in jihad [religious struggle].”
Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 20 – 26 September 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010924102356/http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2001/552/p4fall3.htm)).
Muslim Brotherhood, an opposition Islamist group in Egypt, said it was “horrified” by the attack and expressed “condolences and sadness”:
“[We] strongly condemn such activities that are against all humanist and Islamic morals. … [We] condemn and oppose all aggression on human life, freedom and dignity anywhere in the world.”
Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 13 – 19 September 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20010915023839/http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2001/551/fo2.htm)).

More at link below -
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More statements are released by Muslim organizations and religious scholars on a regular basis, but multiplying the examples may not persuade those who dismiss these dozens of examples.
OTHER COLLECTIONS OF ISLAMIC STATEMENTS AGAINST TERRORISM

Sheila Musaji, “Muslims Denounce Terrorism: Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism (http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_2).”
Omid Safi, “Scholars of Islam & the Tragedy of Sept. 11th (http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm).
Tim Lubin, Washington and Lee University, “Islamic Responses to the Sept. 11 Attack (http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint/islamonWTC.htm).”
The Becket Fund, “Osama Bin Laden Hijacked Four Airplanes and a Religion,” October 17, 2001 (via archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20011027142701/http://www.becketfund.org/other/MuslimAd.html)).
Islam for Today, “Muslims Against Terrorism (http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm).”
ReligiousTolerance.org, “Aftermath of the 9-11 Terrorist Attack: Voices of Moderate Muslims (http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter16.htm).”
Al-Muhajabah’s Islamic Pages, “Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks (http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php).”
Juan Cole, “Friedman Wrong About Muslims Again (http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html),” July 9, 2005.
Fatwa-Online, “Worship \ Jihaad \ WTC – New York, USA – 9/11 (http://www.fatwa-online.com/worship/jihaad/jih007/index.htm).”
Fatwa-Online, “Worship \ Jihaad \ Terrorism and Suicide Bombings (http://www.fatwa-online.com/worship/jihaad/jih004/index.htm).”
Links updated March 15, 2012.
http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

aboutime

04-21-2013, 09:02 PM

jafar. That is all proof for the rest of us, how so much access to endless lies is a disservice to YOU, and the rest of us.

Bet jimnyc really admires your extreme use of BANDWIDTH on a page that nobody...not even you, would bother to read.

But...since you have me on IGNORE. This will just make you smile that terror kind of smile.

Marcus Aurelius

04-21-2013, 09:34 PM

"Bad Eggs" end up in hell.

Here is a little list that I post from time to time. Please take note this time so I don't have to keep posting it over and over and over again.

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Yes, they do... with Mohammed.

Those people aren't 'really' Islamic. oh wait, are you the only one allowed to use that line?

NightTrain

04-22-2013, 12:30 AM

Another obscure nutcase being present as a representative for Islam? You can do better than that.

How did you know the attackers were muslim on the same day as the attack?

Got something to do with that rabid muslim Australian cleric?

red states rule

04-22-2013, 02:24 AM

How did you know the attackers were muslim on the same day as the attack?

Got something to do with that rabid muslim Australian cleric?

Not hard to determine they were Muslims. The pattern was there for all to see

The use of pressure cooker bombs

and they attacked vital military targets like the marathon and killed their biggest enemies - women and children