Just refuse to participate

[tailfins]

I believe our society has become a harsh, graceless, vicious place specifically because women have eschewed nurturing. Nurturing and being a cutthroat corporate warrior just don't go together. One must be one or the other. I am lucky to have a wife that actively agrees with that point. My recent interaction with the Amish has proven to be a welcome respite from the harsh "English" (speaking) society. Some DP members have suggested taking a look at the Mennonites. There are also other "plain" churches. The closest to my beliefs "on paper" are the Old German Baptist Brethren http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_German_Baptist_Brethren . It truly is amazing how these groups have kept their culture feminism-free. Of course, I want to make sure my family doesn't feel boxed in at church.

[gabosaurus]

tailfins, it is a shame that you want to keep women in a box under the control of a man.

[Robert A Whit]

tailfins, it is a shame that you want to keep women in a box under the control of a man.

Looks to me his wife made her choice and as some allege over homosexuals marrying, why does his life matter to you? She is willin and you ought to be chillin.

[Marcus Aurelius]

tailfins, it is a shame that you want to keep women in a box under the control of a man.

Like Jahil does?

[tailfins]

tailfins, it is a shame that you want to keep women in a box under the control of a man.

Next time someone tries to push your car down the lane, blare their horn or flip you the bird think of the coarse society you and your kind have brought about. Feminism has brought the end of common courtesy and decency.

[Noir]

Define exactly what a 'feminism free' culture would look like pls.

[tailfins]

Define exactly what a 'feminism free' culture would look like pls.


http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/misc/days.pdf


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[aboutime]

Define exactly what a 'feminism free' culture would look like pls.

Noir. For starters. That would probably mean you wouldn't be here to ask such a question.

[logroller]

Noir. For starters. That would probably mean you wouldn't be here to ask such a question.
More cheese on toast? :unsure:

[Noir]

Noir. For starters. That would probably mean you wouldn't be here to ask such a question.

...don't get what you're getting at here =/




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So instead of a loving wife, we'd have robots?!

[Drummond]

Well ... I'm all in favour of women being EXACTLY what they want to be. Stereotyping them, or even hinting at such a thing, strikes me as an offensive approach.

I should remind you all that I come from that nation which produced Margaret Thatcher !! In the face of this, how could I EVER argue for any role for a woman in which she didn't feel liberated enough to do precisely what she wanted, to follow and fight for whatever dreams she wanted to pursue ??

The UK was lucky to have her as its Leader. Husband Denis was lucky to have her as his wife. And everything else we all know about her stellar achievements speaks for itself.

So let women determine their own roles, follow their own dreams, and let us ALL be much the better for it !!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Well ... I'm all in favour of women being EXACTLY what they want to be. Stereotyping them, or even hinting at such a thing, strikes me as an offensive approach.

I should remind you all that I come from that nation which produced Margaret Thatcher !! In the face of this, how could I EVER argue for any role for a woman in which she didn't feel liberated enough to do precisely what she wanted, to follow and fight for whatever dreams she wanted to pursue ??

The UK was lucky to have her as its Leader. Husband Denis was lucky to have her as his wife. And everything else we all know about her stellar achievements speaks for itself.

So let women determine their own roles, follow their own dreams, and let us ALL be much the better for it !!!

I agree with that when it's an individual choice. Not so much when it is a "movement" goes too radical about forcing such choices and encouraging a hatred for men.
You are indeed correct about Thatcher, a fine woman that clearly provided a famous example of how a woman can be just as great as a man. Yet even you must admit her intelligence, character, leadership abilities and courage are not the norm in man or woman! Thank God Britain had here for it profited ever so greatly from having that blessing.
The freedom to pursue one's gifts should always be there for male or female. For that to exist the freedom must exist and be enforced by law within that society and nation.

Brings back memories of how you won our little Churchill/Thatcher debate my friend.-:salute:
By forcing me to intensively examine Thatcher's life you won by my finding the truth of her character and abilities...A very hard lesson for me but one I place very high value on...thanks again..--:beer:--Tyr

[Drummond]

I agree with that when it's an individual choice. Not so much when it is a "movement" goes too radical about forcing such choices and encouraging a hatred for men.
You are indeed correct about Thatcher, a fine woman that clearly provided a famous example of how a woman can be just as great as a man. Yet even you must admit her intelligence, character, leadership abilities and courage are not the norm in man or woman! Thank God Britain had here for it profited ever so greatly from having that blessing.
The freedom to pursue one's gifts should always be there for male or female. For that to exist the freedom must exist and be enforced by law within that society and nation.

Brings back memories of how you won our little Churchill/Thatcher debate my friend.-:salute:
By forcing me to intensively examine Thatcher's life you won by my finding the truth of her character and abilities...A very hard lesson for me but one I place very high value on...thanks again..--:beer:--Tyr

A post very appreciated, Tyr, and thanks.

I'll happily agree that I won the debate (!) .. though I think of it as a fairly narrow victory. You know that I favour Mrs Thatcher, of course ... but I don't LACK a capacity to value Churchill, either. Churchill was a very great man, and for his era, he was exactly what Britain, and indeed the Free World, needed.:beer:

[tailfins]

Well ... I'm all in favour of women being EXACTLY what they want to be. Stereotyping them, or even hinting at such a thing, strikes me as an offensive approach.

I should remind you all that I come from that nation which produced Margaret Thatcher !! In the face of this, how could I EVER argue for any role for a woman in which she didn't feel liberated enough to do precisely what she wanted, to follow and fight for whatever dreams she wanted to pursue ??

The UK was lucky to have her as its Leader. Husband Denis was lucky to have her as his wife. And everything else we all know about her stellar achievements speaks for itself.

So let women determine their own roles, follow their own dreams, and let us ALL be much the better for it !!!

So if a woman (who has little aptitude for arrays, collections, object oriented theory) EXACTLY wants to be a software engineer or wants to manage software engineers we should sledgehammer males into solution by consensus as opposed to just seeing if the #$%$ thing works? Should we just live with bug-laden and feature poor software just to make American women managers feel good?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A post very appreciated, Tyr, and thanks.

I'll happily agree that I won the debate (!) .. though I think of it as a fairly narrow victory. You know that I favour Mrs Thatcher, of course ... but I don't LACK a capacity to value Churchill, either. Churchill was a very great man, and for his era, he was exactly what Britain, and indeed the Free World, needed.:beer:

They each were the exact leader for the era that they lead Britain in. I view Churchill as a greater leader than even our own truly great leaders of which their are well over a dozen to consider..-Tyr

[gabosaurus]

So if a woman (who has little aptitude for arrays, collections, object oriented theory) EXACTLY wants to be a software engineer or wants to manage software engineers we should sledgehammer males into solution by consensus as opposed to just seeing if the #$%$ thing works? Should we just live with bug-laden and feature poor software just to make American women managers feel good?

Dude, I was a math minor. I am guessing that my mind works a lot faster than yours.
One of my best friends has a degree in biochemistry. She does environmental engineering studies for a large company. Many of her clients are male. They pay her large money for her expertise.

My sister's former charge is about to get her degree in architectural design. She has already secured a job that will start at $70,000 a year.
She is 23 years old.

[red states rule]

http://www.rottenecards.com/ecards/Rottenecards_5639943_gqmtgpvjxd.png

[PostmodernProphet]

tailfins, it is a shame that you want to keep women in a box under the control of a man.

how about just wanting to be in a box with a woman?......

[gabosaurus]

how about just wanting to be in a box with a woman?......

Sounds kind of kinky to me. But whatever turns you on. :p

[Voted4Reagan]

Define exactly what a 'feminism free' culture would look like pls.

Islamic Countries

[Voted4Reagan]

Dude, I was a math minor. I am guessing that my mind works a lot faster than yours.


that statement has been proven false several times.

You yourself have admitted on many occasions you cant think properly enough to debate anyone that contradicts you.

So which is it?

Answer please...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Islamic Countries

ssshhhh, Gabby wants to ignore that fact about how savagely Islamists treat their women while they enslave them.....

HEAR, SPEAK AND SEE NO EVIL YOU KNOW...-:laugh2:--Tyr

[aboutime]

that statement has been proven false several times.

You yourself have admitted on many occasions you cant think properly enough to debate anyone that contradicts you.

So which is it?

Answer please...


V4R. After reading, and laughing at most of gabby's posts here. There is little doubt she MINORED in nearly everything. Which explains and answers just about every question anyone might have.

[gabosaurus]

that statement has been proven false several times.

You yourself have admitted on many occasions you cant think properly enough to debate anyone that contradicts you.


We were talking about math and equations, not policy debate.
Reading comprehension, duh.

[Noir]

Islamic Countries

*Exactly*

Now why would Mr Taffins be spouting an ideology that is clearly so unprogressivly backwards, that only societies that have cultures that have barely changed in millennia have it idk.

Especially speaking as an american... Life and liberty*
(*if your chromosomes are the right combination)

Reminds me of an old song - 'Her old man, he don't like blacks or queers, yet he's glad we beat the Nazis, how queer'.

[red states rule]

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/islamis-sharia-law-embraced-liberal-women-politics-1344014286.jpg

[jafar00]

Nurturing and being a cutthroat corporate warrior just don't go together.

I don't know about that. My company enjoyed a 386% increase in revenue last month putting us 4 months ahead of projections, and I was nice to everybody! :bighug:

[red states rule]

I don't know about that. My company enjoyed a 386% increase in revenue last month putting us 4 months ahead of projections, and I was nice to everybody! :bighug:

Does your company make explosives for moderate and extreme Muslims? Or perhaps explosive vests?

But really Jafar please remember - I'm only serious

[red states rule]

Hey I just found a pic of one of Jafar's typical customer


http://www.anniemayhem.com/blog%20pics/islamist_hypocrisy.jpg

[jafar00]

Does your company make explosives for moderate and extreme Muslims? Or perhaps explosive vests?

But really Jafar please remember - I'm only serious

Nope. I work in an financial company with no interests in weapons.


Hey I just found a pic of one of Jafar's typical customer


http://www.anniemayhem.com/blog%20pics/islamist_hypocrisy.jpg

Afghanistan and Iraq are on the UN embargo list along with Iran and DPRK and others so no, we do not accept them as clients.

Having fun following me around the forum harassing me?

[tailfins]

Dude, I was a math minor. I am guessing that my mind works a lot faster than yours.
One of my best friends has a degree in biochemistry. She does environmental engineering studies for a large company. Many of her clients are male. They pay her large money for her expertise.

My sister's former charge is about to get her degree in architectural design. She has already secured a job that will start at $70,000 a year.
She is 23 years old.

You haven't had to endure environments that value winning popularity contests over correct answers. The cheese gets grimy when pissy feminists sledgehammer right-brained female methods on technical males. There are of course exceptions like Temple Grandin.


I don't know about that. My company enjoyed a 386% increase in revenue last month putting us 4 months ahead of projections, and I was nice to everybody! http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/smilies/bighug.gif

Great leadership gets great results. I have know doubt you would shield your technical people from perception management and popularity contests so they solve tough problems.

[Drummond]

So if a woman (who has little aptitude for arrays, collections, object oriented theory) EXACTLY wants to be a software engineer or wants to manage software engineers we should sledgehammer males into solution by consensus as opposed to just seeing if the #$%$ thing works? Should we just live with bug-laden and feature poor software just to make American women managers feel good?

Where, in my post, did I say that there must be an assumption of guaranteed success in every profession a woman aspires to be a part of ?

Some women aren't cut out to be road-diggers. Some men aren't cut out to be brain surgeons. Is there one person in this world guaranteed to be good at EVERYTHING he or she attempts to do ?

You are the one fighting to stereotype according to gender. My point is that I am doing no such thing, nor do I think it right to ever try to.

[aboutime]

Where, in my post, did I say that there must be an assumption of guaranteed success in every profession a woman aspires to be a part of ?

Some women aren't cut out to be road-diggers. Some men aren't cut out to be brain surgeons. Is there one person in this world guaranteed to be good at EVERYTHING he or she attempts to do ?

You are the one fighting to stereotype according to gender. My point is that I am doing no such thing, nor do I think it right to ever try to.


Sir Drummond. It just sounds like tailfins really does hate everything about women. Must be a real trip at a party with several drinks of Courage in quickly.

[Voted4Reagan]

We were talking about math and equations, not policy debate.
Reading comprehension, duh.

What a cop out answer.

Einstein thought in Numbers and equations and yet never backed down from defending his principles .

Once again you have been proven to be wrong.

what about Fermi? Curie? Hawking? Sagan? Brian May (the guitarist from Queen)?

[gabosaurus]

You haven't had to endure environments that value winning popularity contests over correct answers. The cheese gets grimy when pissy feminists sledgehammer right-brained female methods on technical males. There are of course exceptions like Temple Grandin.


You must have had one heck of a female boss in the past. :laugh:

My cousin's wife is an architect. She makes well into six figures. She also has two kids.
I obviously need to ask her if she sledgehammers right-brained female methods on technical males. :p

[tailfins]

You must have had one heck of a female boss in the past. :laugh:

My cousin's wife is an architect. She makes well into six figures. She also has two kids.
I obviously need to ask her if she sledgehammers right-brained female methods on technical males. :p


I have NEVER in my entire life had a good American female boss. It had nothing to do with a strong woman either. I had a Russian tough-as-nails female boss and did quite well. I can think of three American females I have ever had a positive rapport with. One of those is a sister that recently quit trying to be productive who I had to rescue from being homeless and have to set boundaries with to avoid becoming 100% dependent.

[Drummond]

I have NEVER in my entire life had a good American female boss. It had nothing to do with a strong woman either. I had a Russian tough-as-nails female boss and did quite well. I can think of three American females I have ever had a positive rapport with. One of those is a sister that recently quit trying to be productive who I had to rescue from being homeless and have to set boundaries with to avoid becoming 100% dependent.

Neither did I. All my good female bosses were British.

I can think of one bad one, but the rest were good. In fact, the majority of 'bad' ones were males.

Of course, we in the UK had a really splendid female boss. MARGARET THATCHER ... but of course. The Unions wouldn't have thought so, nor would our harder-bitten Lefties. But that's their problem.

Needless to say, she wiped the floor with those Lefties.

By the way, you'll have to excuse my 'chipper' mood today. The BBC Parliament Channel has just spent much of today screening its 1983 election coverage recordings. That was the year after the Falklands victory, and when her Union curbs were really kicking in. Mrs Thatcher won herself a landslide victory that year .. almost double the number of Parliamentary seats that the opposition Labour Party won, and easily the biggest landslide seen in British politics for at least 30 years ...

Heyy, Tailfins - - there was one female boss who must've been doing SOMETHING right ....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Neither did I. All my good female bosses were British.

I can think of one bad one, but the rest were good. In fact, the majority of 'bad' ones were males.

Of course, we in the UK had a really splendid female boss. MARGARET THATCHER ... but of course. The Unions wouldn't have thought so, nor would our harder-bitten Lefties. But that's their problem.

Needless to say, she wiped the floor with those Lefties.

By the way, you'll have to excuse my 'chipper' mood today. The BBC Parliament Channel has just spent much of today screening its 1983 election coverage recordings. That was the year after the Falklands victory, and when her Union curbs were really kicking in. Mrs Thatcher won herself a landslide victory that year .. almost double the number of Parliamentary seats that the opposition Labour Party won, and easily the biggest landslide seen in British politics for at least 30 years ...

Heyy, Tailfins - - there was one female boss who must've been doing SOMETHING right ....

I've only ever had one female boss. She was American and did a fine job. We got along splendidly because when she came to the company and saw my record she immediately began a hands-off approach in regards to me. Before she left the company 6 years later she thanked me and then told me how much easier I had made her job by my not ever needing to be disciplined as had several others there had been ,of which 4 were fired by her and rightfully so. She was a no nonsense lady and I liked her immensely for that. Still when raises came around she did not cut me any great favors. She also did not shaft me either. Lady was as fair a boss as I ever had..I heard a few years later she had been hired by some big company in Spain ,never heard a thing about her after that.She was not married and was a very pretty lady that was very intelligent. Had I not been happily married young man at that I time I believe I would have made a serious play for her!--Tyr