The Real Hillary's Raw Socialism

[stephanie]

Hits the nail on the head..

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:20 PM PT

Election 2008: Sen. Hillary Clinton shared on Tuesday her vision of the U.S. economy under her executive stewardship. She should change her party affiliation — or the name of her party.


Speaking in New Hampshire, Clinton acknowledged that instead of the "ownership society" that George W. Bush has promoted throughout his presidency, she prefers a "we're all in it together society" where prosperity is "broadly shared."

This is the sort of "it takes a village" rhetoric that tickles the ears of the left, and which can't give up its romantic notions of a collectivist utopia.

Dreams of the left, however, always turn out to be nightmares, and the world has seen its share of all-in-it-together societies that have failed. The Soviet Union, East Germany, North Korea and the worker's paradise/island prison of Cuba enter the mind right away.

Then there are the teetering soft-socialist systems of Europe, while socialist/communist power grabs now sapping the wealth and strength of Zimbabwe and Venezuela are contemporary lessons that can't be ignored.

Given these examples, do we really want to turn America into another experiment in collectivism? Are we willing to trade hard-won freedoms for government-provided security? Would we be willing to force those who don't want to participate into such a system?

Incredibly, many Americans would say yes to all three. An entitlement mentality has corrupted our nation and left-leaning politicians such as Clinton, as well as cynical chameleon opportunists, are skilled at exploiting the feelings of those who are driven by envy or guilt.

The root problem of a socialist — or village or nanny — state is that it robs people of their humanity and removes the incentives that bring economic progress. It produces a soul-draining apathy.

The cradle-to-grave system that is the hallmark of socialism provides no motivation for its beneficiaries to work harder, longer and smarter — all keys to greater prosperity. Irresponsibility, inefficiency and waste — enemies of economic expansion — are encouraged when property is wholly or mostly owned by the state rather than private individuals or corporations.

Consider the resource-rich Soviet Union. It held vast reserves of oil, natural gas, diamonds and gold, yet because the system killed incentives and property was (allegedly) commonly owned, it eventually collapsed. The dynamic economy that so many Western analysts had warned us about was nothing more than a series of five-year flops.

We're not here to label Hillary Clinton a socialist, but we really don't have to; she's done that job for us. The economic proposals she's lining up behind expose an undeniable affinity for raw socialism.

Promoting a leftist orthodoxy is not some new campaign ploy for Clinton. She's been at it for some time. At a 2004 fundraiser, she told supporters that "for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that (tax cuts) short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Earlier this year she promised that a third Clinton administration would seize oil company profits and use the money for government projects.

Who can forget her plan to force a universal health care plan on an ostensibly free people? That's not a free-market solution.

Sift through Clinton's history and it's clear that her swing to the left goes back much further than her husband's first term in the White House. Barbara Olson, a former federal general counsel and congressional investigator who tragically died on Flight 77 on Sept. 11, 2001, said in a 2000 interview that Clinton "has a political ideology that has its roots in Marxism."

In "Hell To Pay," Olson's 1999 book on "The unfolding story of Hillary Rodham Clinton," she writes about the New York's senator's attempt to mask her socialist ambitions in a children's rights veneer. The dust jacket describes Clinton as a "sixties radical" who "has maintained her ties to the radical left."

Inside, Olson tells of how much influence Saul Alinsky, the radical who once said that the "Reds' platform stood for all the right things," had on her as she formed her political philosophy in moving from a Goldwater Girl of the Midwest to an East Coast activist on the left.

Clinton's supporters will argue that those days don't count, that she has mainstreamed her views. What concerns us is that we might have to wait until she's elected president for those denials to be revealed as bunk.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=265416447464230

[Samantha]

So instead of Hillary's 'let's take care of eachother' ideal, a better way is the Christian right's way of 'look out for yourself' and 'act like the inn keeper' in Bethlehem when the poor man with the poor pregnant wife comes looking for some help in the middle of the night. Get rid of them, put 'em in the barn. They're all poor and icky anyway.

That's the way the Christian right does it, correct? Fuck the poor man, if he's poor it's his own fault. We don't care if he can get health care, we don't care if he has food and clothing. Is that how ya'll think? Is this the new Christianity? The opposite of what Christ taught?

The moral majority got the neocons elected by claiming they are the true God worshippers. How did the Christians get so brainwashed?

[stephanie]

So instead of Hillary's 'let's take care of each other' ideal, a better way is the Christian right's way of 'look out for yourself' and 'act like the inn keeper' in Bethlehem when the poor man with the poor pregnant wife comes looking for some help in the middle of the night. Get rid of them, put 'em in the barn. They're all poor and icky anyway.

That's the way the Christian right does it, correct? Fuck the poor man, if he's poor it's his own fault. Is that how ya'll think? Is this the new Christianity?

So....you want to live in socialism???

[Samantha]

So....you want to live in socialism???No, I want to live in a Democracy where the people don't believe the lies and hype that you posted on this thread. Hillary isn't a socialist. She believes, as most Americans do, that our country needs to fix it's health care problem. Our government spends more money per capita paying the costs of health care than countries with an actual health care system. It is expensive to go to the emergency room. More expensive than seeing a doctor for preventative care.

Our government has to pay the hospitals that money so they don't go bankrupt. Wouldn't it be better to use that money wisely and let people go for regular check ups instead of waiting till it's an emergency and subsidizing an operation that could have been prevented?

Your post is a bunch of hyperbole (that means bullshit). Stop believing the hype. Learn the truth.

[stephanie]

No, I want to live in a Democracy where the people don't believe the lies and hype that you posted on this thread. Hillary isn't a socialist. She believes, as most Americans do, that our country needs to fix it's health care problem. Our government spends more money per capita paying the costs of health care than countries with an actual health care system. It is expensive to go to the emergency room. More expensive than seeing a doctor for preventative care.

Our government has to pay the hospitals that money so they don't go bankrupt. Wouldn't it be better to use that money wisely and let people go for regular check ups instead of waiting till it's an emergency and subsidizing an operation that could have been prevented?

Your post is a bunch of hyperbole (that means bullshit). Stop believing the hype. Learn the truth.

Hillary is a socialist.......
I don't have learn anything else, to know that...
She scares the hell out me...

[Samantha]

Hillary is a socialist.......
I don't have learn anything else, to know that...
She scares the hell out me...No, Hillary is a Democrat. There is a socialist in the Senate. Bernie Sanders from Vermont (http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2006/11/03/vts_sanders_poised_to_be_1st_senate_socialist/) is a Socialist. But Hillary Clinton (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1) is a Dem. Have you even read her issues? I suggest you do, even if you don't like to learn anything else. Click here (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/)

The problem is stephanie is you are believing lies. And if you feel you don't have to learn anything else, you'll keep believing the lies. You scare the hell out of me.

[stephanie]

No, Hillary is a Democrat. There is a socialist in the Senate. Bernie Sanders from Vermont (http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2006/11/03/vts_sanders_poised_to_be_1st_senate_socialist/) is a Socialist. But Hillary is a Dem.

The problem is Stephanie is you are believing lies. And if you feel you don't have to learn anything else, you'll keep believing the lies. You scare the hell out of me.

I listen to what Hillary has to say...
So...I learn from that...
Hillary is socialist, hiding behind the Dem. label..
Sorry if I scare ya so much....:coffee:

[Mr. P]

Hillary is a socialist Democrat...better?

[Monkeybone]

and to point out, that they weren't put in the barn becasue of their status....it's becasue the inn was full.

[Kathianne]

So instead of Hillary's 'let's take care of eachother' ideal, a better way is the Christian right's way of 'look out for yourself' and 'act like the inn keeper' in Bethlehem when the poor man with the poor pregnant wife comes looking for some help in the middle of the night. Get rid of them, put 'em in the barn. They're all poor and icky anyway.

That's the way the Christian right does it, correct? Fuck the poor man, if he's poor it's his own fault. We don't care if he can get health care, we don't care if he has food and clothing. Is that how ya'll think? Is this the new Christianity? The opposite of what Christ taught?

The moral majority got the neocons elected by claiming they are the true God worshippers. How did the Christians get so brainwashed?

I'll be so bold as to say that I'd put the 'Christian right' donations to organizations both private and public against say moveon.org membership. For the record, I'm not of the 'Christian right' if you mean 'born again' or evangelical. You are a bigot however.

[Pale Rider]

Hillary Clinton wants to take from rich and give to the middle class


May 30, 2007
By Jennifer Hunter

Like a modern-day Robin Hood, Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton wants to take from the rich and give to the poor.

She wants to rescue the American middle class.

She charges that the middle class is being eroded by jobs shipped overseas, by falling incomes and rising payments for basic services.

Her proof: Health-care premiums have gone up 87 percent since 2000, college costs have gone up 40 percent in the same time and gas prices have more than doubled. “It’s like our middle class and working-class families are invisible to this president.”

And she has an ambitious, lengthy list of ideas for saving the middle class, including eliminating burdens such as the alternative minimum tax, allowing Medicare to negotiate for better drug prices with pharmaceutical companies and creating incentives for American companies to create domestic jobs.

Calls for new version of Progressive Movement

In a speech Tuesday at the Manchester School of Technology, she harked back to the Progressive Movement in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when there were too many “haves and have-nots” and efforts were made to bust the robber barons’ monopoly and modernize the workplace, calling for a new Progressive Movement that would give all Americans a chance to compete and prosper in the global economy.

She cited the astonishing statistic that every child born in American has a $29,000 share in the federal deficit.

One of her major concerns is not only to reduce that federal deficit but also to tighten corporate governance and raise corporate taxes, particularly in the oil sector, where companies make huge profits. (She noted no-bid contracts given to Halliburton in Iraq.)

She also wants to reform the tax code so U.S. companies do not get a tax break for “shipping jobs overseas.” And she would provide advantages for companies that create jobs in America.

She also wants to:

• Institute affordable health care.

• Eliminate President Bush’s tax cuts to high-income families while maintaining the cuts for the middle class

• Create universal pre-kindergarten

• Make it easier for college students to get loans

• Help working people earn enough to support their families and save money

• Expand unemployment insurance

• Make it easier to join a union

• Invest in alternative energy resources to create new jobs.

Her plan is wide-ranging and so ambitious it will take the determination of a Robin Hood.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

http://www.againsthillary.com/2007/05/30/hillary-clinton-wants-to-take-from-rich-and-give-to-the-middle-class/

[MtnBiker]

Let's let Hillary speak for herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PfE9K8j0g

Whose profits??

[Dilloduck]

Let's let Hillary speak for herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PfE9K8j0g

Whose profits??

LOL she's gonna TAKE those profits--whoever the rightfull owners are !!!

[Gaffer]

To say hilery is mainstream is to say she is currently hiding her socialist plans until she gets into power. Then, like chevez the real commie will come out.

[Abbey Marie]

and to point out, that they weren't put in the barn becasue of their status....it's becasue the inn was full.

Deftly served, MB! I think I'm gonna like you. :D

[Abbey Marie]

So instead of Hillary's 'let's take care of eachother' ideal, a better way is the Christian right's way of 'look out for yourself' and 'act like the inn keeper' in Bethlehem when the poor man with the poor pregnant wife comes looking for some help in the middle of the night. Get rid of them, put 'em in the barn. They're all poor and icky anyway.

That's the way the Christian right does it, correct? Fuck the poor man, if he's poor it's his own fault. We don't care if he can get health care, we don't care if he has food and clothing. Is that how ya'll think? Is this the new Christianity? The opposite of what Christ taught?

The moral majority got the neocons elected by claiming they are the true God worshippers. How did the Christians get so brainwashed?

First, you might want to file this tidbit: Not all conservatives are Christians. Not even all that are on this board.

Second, have you not noticed that the constant attempts to guilt Christians into embracing the godless policies of the libs isn't working? Why would anyone think it would? As Kathianne said, Christians give enormous amounts to charity, and humanitarian missions work is huge.

The Bible tells us we are all imperfect, and we do not claim to be otherwise. But your attempts to protray us as greedy, uncompassionate bastards is at the level of the theater of absurd. We know who we are, we know what we believe, and... Hillary is a Socialist.

[Samantha]

and to point out, that they weren't put in the barn becasue of their status....it's becasue the inn was full.And Christians who follow the teachings of Christ would let them enter the inn and at least sleep on the floor instead of a barn. Apparently you don't know the moral of the story. Did you skip Sunday school?

Anyway this is just a Hillary bashing thread. Is there a Cindy Sheehan bashing thread too? Why does the right love to bash women? Gotta keep em in their place I guess. Yeehaw!

[Mr. P]

And Christians who follow the teachings of Christ would let them enter the inn and at least sleep on the floor instead of a barn. Apparently you don't know the moral of the story. Did you skip Sunday school?

Anyway this is just a Hillary bashing thread. Is there a Cindy Sheehan bashing thread too? Why does the right love to bash women? Gotta keep em in their place I guess. Yeehaw!

I hear Cindy is bashing herself these days for being such a sucker.

[manu1959]

So instead of Hillary's 'let's take care of eachother' ideal, a better way is the Christian right's way of 'look out for yourself' and 'act like the inn keeper' in Bethlehem when the poor man with the poor pregnant wife comes looking for some help in the middle of the night. Get rid of them, put 'em in the barn. They're all poor and icky anyway.

That's the way the Christian right does it, correct? Fuck the poor man, if he's poor it's his own fault. We don't care if he can get health care, we don't care if he has food and clothing. Is that how ya'll think? Is this the new Christianity? The opposite of what Christ taught?

The moral majority got the neocons elected by claiming they are the true God worshippers. How did the Christians get so brainwashed?

as a pro choice person, choice is a good thing, i believe we should be able to choose to help or chose not to....we should not be forced to help.....

[stephanie]

And Christians who follow the teachings of Christ would let them enter the inn and at least sleep on the floor instead of a barn. Apparently you don't know the moral of the story. Did you skip Sunday school?

Anyway this is just a Hillary bashing thread. Is there a Cindy Sheehan bashing thread too? Why does the right love to bash women? Gotta keep em in their place I guess. Yeehaw!

The guilt trip about Hillary being a woman, isn't going to work...
The WOMAN is running for our President of the United States...
She is just as much open to criticism, as any man would be....
Hillary IS a socialist........plain and simple....Why........Power!
She plays the race card and class envy card.......and that's all she has..

:poke:

[Samantha]

The guilt trip about Hillary being a woman, isn't going to work...
The WOMAN is running for our President of the United States...
She is just as much open to criticism, as any man would be....
Hillary IS a socialist........plain and simple....Why........Power!
She plays the race card and class envy card.......and that's all she has..

:poke:Poor stephanie, you're so ill informed. So ignorant.

Would you prefer a President who disdains science? That's the President you have right now. The Bush admin CHANGES scientific statements to suit his agenda.

Hillary will help science ADVANCE.


http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=politics&id=5357945


I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
-- Thomas Carlyle



I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them. [Adlai Stevenson: 1952]


If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. John F. Kennedy


Never forget public ignorance is the government's best friend.
Unknown Source


Being ignorant is not so much a shame as being unwilling to learn.
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) American statesman, scientist and philosopher.


Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968) American black leader.

[stephanie]

Poor Stephanie, you're so ill informed. So ignorant.

Would you prefer a President who disdains science? That's the President you have right now. The Bush admin CHANGES scientific statements to suit his agenda.

Hillary will help science ADVANCE.


http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=politics&id=5357945

That's just STUPID......

What the hell does Science have to do with the Shrill, being a Socialist...:slap:

Get a grip.......

[avatar4321]

So instead of Hillary's 'let's take care of eachother' ideal, a better way is the Christian right's way of 'look out for yourself' and 'act like the inn keeper' in Bethlehem when the poor man with the poor pregnant wife comes looking for some help in the middle of the night. Get rid of them, put 'em in the barn. They're all poor and icky anyway.

That's the way the Christian right does it, correct? Fuck the poor man, if he's poor it's his own fault. We don't care if he can get health care, we don't care if he has food and clothing. Is that how ya'll think? Is this the new Christianity? The opposite of what Christ taught?

The moral majority got the neocons elected by claiming they are the true God worshippers. How did the Christians get so brainwashed?

Ronald Reagan once said: "Those who read Marx are socialists(or communists, same difference). Those who understand Marx, aren't"

You've just demonstrated that you don't understand socialism. You seem to think by abrogating your responsibility to help others to the government people are going to get helped. This is complete and utter nonsense. You give up your power to do good to the government and the government becomes and oppressive dictator. The less fortunate are not benefited. Those who work hard are not benefited. Everyone is worse off except for the political leaders who control government.

You don't show charity by abrogating your responsibility to government. You don't show charity by giving away other peoples money. You show charity by individually giving out of the pureness of your own heart. In a socialist government its impossible for a Christian to reach his full potential for good because choice is key to that potential. If you give your choice to the government, you cant be blessed by exercising it.

[stephanie]

Ronald Reagan once said: "Those who read Marx are socialists(or communists, same difference). Those who understand Marx, aren't"

You've just demonstrated that you don't understand socialism. You seem to think by abrogating your responsibility to help others to the government people are going to get helped. This is complete and utter nonsense. You give up your power to do good to the government and the government becomes and oppressive dictator. The less fortunate are not benefited. Those who work hard are not benefited. Everyone is worse off except for the political leaders who control government.

You don't show charity by abrogating your responsibility to government. You don't show charity by giving away other peoples money. You show charity by individually giving out of the pureness of your own heart. In a socialist government its impossible for a Christian to reach his full potential for good because choice is key to that potential. If you give your choice to the government, you cant be blessed by exercising it.


:clap:

[avatar4321]

No, Hillary is a Democrat. There is a socialist in the Senate. Bernie Sanders from Vermont (http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2006/11/03/vts_sanders_poised_to_be_1st_senate_socialist/) is a Socialist. But Hillary Clinton (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1) is a Dem. Have you even read her issues? I suggest you do, even if you don't like to learn anything else. Click here (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/)

The problem is stephanie is you are believing lies. And if you feel you don't have to learn anything else, you'll keep believing the lies. You scare the hell out of me.

Socialism isnt any less socialism simply because you call it "Progressive" or "Liberalism." Heck, it wouldnt be any less evil if you called in "Conservatism"

You guys need to be less concerned with labels and more concerned with actions.

[avatar4321]

Hillary Clinton wants to take from rich and give to the middle class


May 30, 2007
By Jennifer Hunter

Like a modern-day Robin Hood, Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton wants to take from the rich and give to the poor.


What the heck is with these journalists who are too stupid to understand what Robin Hood did?

Robin Hood stole money from the government to give it back to the people who had been taxed into poverty. To even compare Robin Hood to liberals who want to tax people into poverty is absurd. The government is the bad guy. The liberals are the equivalents of Prince John and the Sherriff. and the lack of comprehension by these journalists to understand the basics of a pretty easy story is astounding.

[avatar4321]

And Christians who follow the teachings of Christ would let them enter the inn and at least sleep on the floor instead of a barn. Apparently you don't know the moral of the story. Did you skip Sunday school?

Anyway this is just a Hillary bashing thread. Is there a Cindy Sheehan bashing thread too? Why does the right love to bash women? Gotta keep em in their place I guess. Yeehaw!

Sam, you understand that there was no room at the in dont you? There was no room on the floor. In fact, the barn was probably far more private than the inn would have been.

Oh, and who is it that attacks Malkin, Coulter, Barbara Bush, and tons of other women on the right?

[nevadamedic]

Sam, you understand that there was no room at the in dont you? There was no room on the floor. In fact, the barn was probably far more private than the inn would have been.

Oh, and who is it that attacks Malkin, Coulter, Barbara Bush, and tons of other women on the right?

:clap:

[nevadamedic]

That's just STUPID......

What the hell does Science have to do with the Shrill, being a Socialist...:slap:

Get a grip.......

Shes obviously not to bright on this subject.

[stephanie]

Shes obviously not to bright on this subject.

I wouldn't say that...


But, she wants to talk of us conservatives ,as being sheep....

That's what I see with her blind devotion for Shrillery...

The good ole pot.......calling the kettle black...

that's all..

[glockmail]

Let's let Hillary speak for herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PfE9K8j0g

Whose profits??

Isn't this exactly what Hugo Chavez did? :laugh2:

[KarlMarx]

So instead of Hillary's 'let's take care of eachother' ideal, a better way is the Christian right's way of 'look out for yourself' and 'act like the inn keeper' in Bethlehem when the poor man with the poor pregnant wife comes looking for some help in the middle of the night. Get rid of them, put 'em in the barn. They're all poor and icky anyway.

That's the way the Christian right does it, correct? Fuck the poor man, if he's poor it's his own fault. We don't care if he can get health care, we don't care if he has food and clothing. Is that how ya'll think? Is this the new Christianity? The opposite of what Christ taught?

The moral majority got the neocons elected by claiming they are the true God worshippers. How did the Christians get so brainwashed?
That's enough....

Who died and made you the Judge of all Mankind?

For your information, lady, I can tell you from personal experience how the Left is and how the Christian Right is.

When I was married, my wife and I went to a marriage counsellor to help us with some problems. That was a big mistake. The therapist was a left wing feminist. Once my ex started talking divorce, it was all over. Suddenly, I was the big bad wolf and she was the victim. The therapist even gave her advice on how to go about divorcing me. I complained to the State of New York, but it didn't do any good. I was a man, therefore, I was bad.

I was forced to give up my home, was forced to live away from my son all these years thanks in part to the help of a man hating feminist.

During that time, I met a Christian fellow who introduced me to his church. Those people helped me through one of the darkest chapters of my Life. If ever there were decent folks in this world, they are the epitome. They prayed for me, they called me, if I had any crisis, their pastor was there for me. I wasn't even a member of their church.

When I had troubles at work (some posters on this board already heard the story), it was due to the conniving, scheming and back stabbing of a left wing, frothing at the mouth Leftist. I was in her way and she knew exactly how to go about getting me out of it. By getting others to accuse me of things without proof, because there was no need to prove them.

So don't tell me how the Left is so concerned about the welfare of others. That's a lie and a fairy tale. I know it is so, because I lived through it.

Now.... why don't you take the energy that fuels your vitriol, your hatred, and your bigotry and turn it into something that will help your fellow Man? Perhaps you ought to go to the nearest Christian church for some lessons as to how it is done. If you need an address, just let me know, there's a church in Owego, New York that fits that bill perfectly.

[avatar4321]

Isn't this exactly what Hugo Chavez did? :laugh2:

What does it matter? Hugo isnt a dictator dont you know? he was duly elected. He hasnt done anything oppressive at all...

[avatar4321]

That's enough....

Who died and made you the Judge of all Mankind?


But she is liberal, she can judge whomever she wants. In fact, you should be thanking her for judging how evil we right wingers all are. After all, without her how would we know how horrible we really are?


Now.... why don't you take the energy that fuels your vitriol, your hatred, and your bigotry and turn it into something that will help your fellow Man? Perhaps you ought to go to the nearest Christian church for some lessons as to how it is done. If you need an address, just let me know, there's a church in Owego, New York that fits that bill perfectly.

You mean you expect her to share the same air with them? thats disgusting. why would she want to spoil her pure liberal background by actually doing good? t hats the governments job. Don't you know its good and noble to give away other peoples money? After all the government clearly knows how to take care of us better than we do. And definitely better than some lowly Christians. How can their teachings on personal responsibility and charity ever help people if they dont give up their rights to people like Sam?

[LOki]

No, Hillary is a Democrat.
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."She's a socialist.

[MtnBiker]

LOL she's gonna TAKE those profits--whoever the rightfull owners are !!!

I have yet to see someone defend her comments about those profits. It is quite a socialist statement.

[Monkeybone]

maybe the moral was that he did what he could? he didn't have to let them use his barn. and also...how would he follow the teaching of Christ? unless i missed a book or chapter where he was teaching from the womb.

Hiliary seems like she wants to meet her own agenda, which is to get elected. of course that is everyone, but she is doing the classic 'what they wanna hear'. i don't have to work and i get money form other ppl? alright!

[GW in Ohio]

Hillary is a socialist.......
I don't have learn anything else, to know that...
She scares the hell out me...

stephanie: I'd estimate that the people who have the antiquated view of Hillary that you display constitute about 15% of the electorate. You think Hillary is a socialist because she was a raving leftist in college...

Shit, we were all raving leftists in college....except for the Young Republicans for Freedom, who showed up in class wearing suits and ties and whose young Republican girlfriends murmured to them in the car after a date at the Malt Shoppe, "Please, Eugene...not until we're married."

Everybody changes, and evolves, including politicians. (Everybody except the Young Republicans for Freedom, who are now middle-aged Republicans, whose wives say to them after the Kiwanis All-U-Can-Eat Chicken Barbecue, "Please, Eugene, not tonight....I have a headache.")

[Gaffer]

stephanie: I'd estimate that the people who have the antiquated view of Hillary that you display constitute about 15% of the electorate. You think Hillary is a socialist because she was a raving leftist in college...

Shit, we were all raving leftists in college....except for the Young Republicans for Freedom, who showed up in class wearing suits and ties and whose young Republican girlfriends murmured to them in the car after a date at the Malt Shoppe, "Please, Eugene...not until we're married."

Everybody changes, and evolves, including politicians. (Everybody except the Young Republicans for Freedom, who are now middle-aged Republicans, whose wives say to them after the Kiwanis All-U-Can-Eat Chicken Barbecue, "Please, Eugene, not tonight....I have a headache.")

More ignorance from the peanut brain of gw.

[GW in Ohio]

More ignorance from the peanut brain of gw.

Gaffer: You were one of those Young Republicans for Freedom, weren't you?

And you wore your ROTC uniform to class and looked with contempt at all the unshaven, unkempt hippies, didn't you?

[avatar4321]

stephanie: I'd estimate that the people who have the antiquated view of Hillary that you display constitute about 15% of the electorate. You think Hillary is a socialist because she was a raving leftist in college...

Shit, we were all raving leftists in college....except for the Young Republicans for Freedom, who showed up in class wearing suits and ties and whose young Republican girlfriends murmured to them in the car after a date at the Malt Shoppe, "Please, Eugene...not until we're married."

Everybody changes, and evolves, including politicians. (Everybody except the Young Republicans for Freedom, who are now middle-aged Republicans, whose wives say to them after the Kiwanis All-U-Can-Eat Chicken Barbecue, "Please, Eugene, not tonight....I have a headache.")

No, we think she is a socialist because she is a raving leftist now. Unless you are going to say she was in college two days ago.

[GW in Ohio]

No, we think she is a socialist because she is a raving leftist now. Unless you are going to say she was in college two days ago.

avatar: Hillary's entire Senate career has been as a centrist. She has packaged herself as a centrist; now, you can say that that's just for show and she's just waiting for a chance to get into the Oval Office so she can shuck her moderate raiments and start taking America down the path to socialism....

But that's the way crazy people think.

[avatar4321]

avatar: Hillary's entire Senate career has been as a centrist. She has packaged herself as a centrist; now, you can say that that's just for show and she's just waiting for a chance to get into the Oval Office so she can shuck her moderate raiments and start taking America down the path to socialism....

But that's the way crazy people think.

The fact you honestly believe Hillary is a moderate just declares how far to the left you really are.

Socialism is socialism whether you call it liberal, moderate, or conservatism. The fact is Hillary is a socialist.

[GW in Ohio]

The fact you honestly believe Hillary is a moderate just declares how far to the left you really are.

Socialism is socialism whether you call it liberal, moderate, or conservatism. The fact is Hillary is a socialist.

Ah, well....

We're all headed toward socialism. As the Irish mother said to her daughter who was nervous about the wedding night, "Just relax, dear, and try to enjoy it."

[Mr. P]

stephanie: I'd estimate that the people who have the antiquated view of Hillary that you display constitute about 15% of the electorate. You think Hillary is a socialist because she was a raving leftist in college...

Shit, we were all raving leftists in college....except for the Young Republicans for Freedom, who showed up in class wearing suits and ties and whose young Republican girlfriends murmured to them in the car after a date at the Malt Shoppe, "Please, Eugene...not until we're married."

Everybody changes, and evolves, including politicians. (Everybody except the Young Republicans for Freedom, who are now middle-aged Republicans, whose wives say to them after the Kiwanis All-U-Can-Eat Chicken Barbecue, "Please, Eugene, not tonight....I have a headache.")

She was in college when she was pushing the national health care stuff, bud?
Or when she said we'll take those profits. She is a Socialist.

[GW in Ohio]

She was in college when she was pushing the national health care stuff, bud?
Or when she said we'll take those profits. She is a Socialist.

And she's comin' for your guns.......

[glockmail]

....there's a church in Owego, New York that fits that bill perfectly.

Which way o we go? :laugh2:

Nice post, Karl. I had a similar thing happen to me at a place that I worked- a sexual harrassment against me when there was no sex and no harrassment. Like you I was accused, tried and convicted without even knowing about it never mind trying to defend myself. I still have the verdict, handwritten in crayon (no kidding) by the boss's wife, in my file for posterity.

[glockmail]

stephanie: I'd estimate that the people who have the antiquated view of Hillary that you display constitute about 15% of the electorate. You think Hillary is a socialist because she was a raving leftist in college...

....

Actually I have seen no posts here referring to her college hijinks. BTW exactly what was her thesis on? Oh yeah, that is off limits to our prying eyes.

No, the opinions expressed are based on her recently stated beliefs, which are socialist all the way.

[Mr. P]

And she's comin' for your guns.......

Probably..Good luck with that. :laugh2:

[glockmail]

Probably..Good luck with that. :laugh2: The reality is that guns and ammo sales will probably rise dramatically in the weeks after she gets elected but before she is crowned Queen of IslamoAmerica.

[Abbey Marie]

Actually I have seen no posts here referring to her college hijinks. BTW exactly what was her thesis on? Oh yeah, that is off limits to our prying eyes.

No, the opinions expressed are based on her recently stated beliefs, which are socialist all the way.

From Wikipedia:

She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, for whom she would write a senior thesis about the tactics of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky


Saul Alinsky:
Alinsky was a critic of a passive and ineffective mainstream liberalism. In Rules for Radicals, he argued that the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired ends, and that an intermediate end for radicals should be democracy because of its relative ease to work within to achieve other ends of social justice.


Quotes from Alinsky:
"I tell people, the hell with charity, the only thing you'll get is what you're strong enough to get."
"It becomes a contest of power between those who have money, and those who have people. All we have is people."
"We're talking about revolution, not revelation."
http://www.itvs.org/democraticpromise/alinsky.html

[MtnBiker]

And she's comin' for your guns.......

MrP makes valid points. Her national health care plan was socialist, her desire to take private companies profits is socialist.

[glockmail]

From Wikipedia:

So where can we obtain a copy of said thesis? Or is it in the same file as John Kerry's naval records and Bill Clinton's health records?

[glockmail]

MrP makes valid points. Her national health care plan was socialist, her desire to take private companies profits is socialist. That's why the "guns" bait- to deflect the issue.

[Abbey Marie]

So where can we obtain a copy of said thesis? Or is it in the same file as John Kerry's naval records and Bill Clinton's health records?


Despite the fervent interest in the thesis, few realize that it is no longer kept under lock and key. As MSNBC.com found, it is available to anyone who visits the archive room of the prestigious women’s college outside Boston.


Just as conservative authors have speculated, it was the Clintons who asked Wellesley in 1993 to hide Hillary Rodham's senior thesis from the first generation of Clinton biographers, according to her thesis adviser and friend, professor Alan H. Schechter, who describes taking the call from the White House.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

[glockmail]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/


Interesting read. Thanks. :clap:

[avatar4321]

MrP makes valid points. Her national health care plan was socialist, her desire to take private companies profits is socialist.

everyone other than the Hillary supports have made valid points. There is no denying she is socialist. They simply pretend as though you can call it something different and it will be something different.

[Yurt]

So instead of Hillary's 'let's take care of eachother' ideal, a better way is the Christian right's way of 'look out for yourself' and 'act like the inn keeper' in Bethlehem when the poor man with the poor pregnant wife comes looking for some help in the middle of the night. Get rid of them, put 'em in the barn. They're all poor and icky anyway.

That's the way the Christian right does it, correct? Fuck the poor man, if he's poor it's his own fault. We don't care if he can get health care, we don't care if he has food and clothing. Is that how ya'll think? Is this the new Christianity? The opposite of what Christ taught?

The moral majority got the neocons elected by claiming they are the true God worshippers. How did the Christians get so brainwashed?

I think it is unfair and in poor taste to make Jesus a socialist. Jesus let people have free will. He told the rich young ruler who wanted to follow him, to "sell" all his belongings and follow me. The young ruler could not do that, so Jesus let him go.

Jesus did not force him.

[glockmail]

I think it is unfair and in poor taste to make Jesus a socialist. Jesus let people have free will. He told the rich young ruler who wanted to follow him, to "sell" all his belongings and follow me. The young ruler could not do that, so Jesus let him go.

Jesus did not force him.

True, and Jesus never had cross words about a kind hearted rich person either.