James Holmes, Muslim Now Really?

[Kathianne]

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The man who shot up an Aurora, Colo., movie theater during a screening of “The Dark Knight Rises” last summer has reportedly converted to Islam and prays up to five times a day.


A prison source say the beard James Holmes (http://p.washingtontimes.com/topics/james-holmes/) sported in court last months represents his new-found faith. The source said Mr. Holmes (http://p.washingtontimes.com/topics/james-holmes/) has turned Muslim as a way of justifying his horrific crimes on July 20 which left 12 people dead and 58 people wounded, the Daily Mail reports.



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Um, yeah, right.

[logroller]

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Um, yeah, right.
He's got it all backwards. Convert to Islam, and then go jihadi. You turn to Christ's forgiveness after. Plus didn't even get shot. Obviously he didn't read the mass murder handbook. Or he's insane. Likely both.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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Um, yeah, right.

Hang the son of a bitch and be done with it.......any doubt of his guilt?

Maybe he is just looking to get that huge pass that all muslims get..

[jafar00]

Good for him if it helps rehabilitate him. It doesn't excuse his actions though.

I'm also dubious how the report is based on unnamed sources and on a beard that actually looks more Jewish with the bushy moustache. Muslims are supposed to trim it.

[Voted4Reagan]

Good for him if it helps rehabilitate him. It doesn't excuse his actions though.

I'm also dubious how the report is based on unnamed sources and on a beard that actually looks more Jewish with the bushy moustache. Muslims are supposed to trim it.

in prison it is difficult to keep your hair trimmed... because you dont have access to a razor or Scissors all the time.

you should already know that .....

Also... take a good look at this individual below...

He was Muslim.. i guess he paid for not trimming his beard...

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/276478/thumbs/r-OSAMA-BIN-LADEN-JOURNAL-large570.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Good for him if it helps rehabilitate him. It doesn't excuse his actions though.

I'm also dubious how the report is based on unnamed sources and on a beard that actually looks more Jewish with the bushy moustache. Muslims are supposed to trim it.

It was that kind of mentality that got the idiot locked up and awaiting punishment for murder. He was the perfect candidate for Islam having shown his readiness to murder even before his conversion!

Say Jafar, how many virgins do you reckon Allah will give the boy in paradise ?????????

So nice that in a rare moment of truth that you said--"good for him"!!!
So quick to accept a mass murderer aren't ya?? Yes you are and its entirely subconscious thinking on your part due to your religious brainwashing.

A bitter truth that you will reject out of hand because your religion demands blind and insane obedience....--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

He's insane. Please tell me that we're not surprised by what an insane person does.

[jafar00]

in prison it is difficult to keep your hair trimmed... because you dont have access to a razor or Scissors all the time.

you should already know that .....

Also... take a good look at this individual below...

He was Muslim.. i guess he paid for not trimming his beard...

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/276478/thumbs/r-OSAMA-BIN-LADEN-JOURNAL-large570.jpg

I was talking about his moustache. We are supposed to trim it but leave the beard. According to which school of thought, it should be long enough to grab a handful or can be trimmed into a short beard.

And they do get haircuts in prison.

[jimnyc]

A nutcase will do nutty things. A lot of people find religion while in prison. A lot also use it as a way to make themselves look better before the law and courts too. Either way I hope he burns in hell.

[aboutime]

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Um, yeah, right.


Let him pray. It won't stop the NEEDLE from working just as planned, when his time to see those phony 72 virgins arrives, and later when he discovers OBL was talking about a 72 year old Virgin Homosexual of the Islamic faith.

[Voted4Reagan]

Let him pray. It won't stop the NEEDLE from working just as planned, when his time to see those phony 72 virgins arrives, and later when he discovers OBL was talking about a 72 year old Virgin Homosexual of the Islamic faith.

His 72 virgins will be Old Catholic Lesbian Nuns with Yardsticks and Pointers!

[jafar00]

His 72 virgins will be Old Catholic Lesbian Nuns with Yardsticks and Pointers!

What's all this about 72 virgins? Even if you believe the western media's 72 virgins thing, I don't think he would qualify anyway.

[aboutime]

What's all this about 72 virgins? Even if you believe the western media's 72 virgins thing, I don't think he would qualify anyway.


jafar. That is....a (one) 72 year old homosexual, virgin who looks like this...4754

[jimnyc]

What's all this about 72 virgins? Even if you believe the western media's 72 virgins thing, I don't think he would qualify anyway.

72 virgins The idea of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Abu `Isa Muhammad ibn `Isa at-Tirmidhi in his Jami` at-Tirmidhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami%60_at-Tirmidhi)[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-56) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Kathir) in his Tafsir ibn Kathir of sura 55[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-57) it is stated:

It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl), aquamarine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl#Aquamarine_and_maxixe) and ruby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby), as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus) to San'a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%27a).[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-58)
However, regarding the above statement Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf has said: "The narration, which claims that everyone would have seventy-two wives has a weak chain of narrators."[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-Salahuddin_Yusuf-40) There is also a theory that the promise of 72 virgins is a mistranslation from "72 angels".[58] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-59)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#72_virgins

[jimnyc]

72 virgins

The idea of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Abu `Isa Muhammad ibn `Isa at-Tirmidhi in his Jami` at-Tirmidhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami%60_at-Tirmidhi)[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-56) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Kathir) in his Tafsir ibn Kathir of sura 55[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-57) it is stated:
It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl), aquamarine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl#Aquamarine_and_maxixe) and ruby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby), as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus) to San'a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%27a).[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-58)

However, regarding the above statement Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf has said: "The narration, which claims that everyone would have seventy-two wives has a weak chain of narrators."[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-Salahuddin_Yusuf-40) There is also a theory that the promise of 72 virgins is a mistranslation from "72 angels".[58] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-59)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#72_virgins

So it says one will get 72 "houri" and houri is defined as :

In Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam), the ḥūr or ḥūrīyah[note 1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-1) (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): حورية‎) are commonly translated as "(splendid)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-Kawa.27ib-2) companions of equal age (well-matched)",[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-atrab-3) "lovely eyed",[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-56_22_23-4) of "modest gaze",[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-modest_gaze-5) "pure beings" or "companions pure" of paradise, denoting humans and jinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn) who enter Jannah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah) (paradise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise)) after being recreated anew in the hereafter.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-Tafsir_Ibn_Kathir_Damrah_bin_Habib-6) Islam also has a strong mystical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism) tradition which places these heavenly delights in the context of the ecstatic awareness of God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-7)

[aboutime]

So it says one will get 72 "houri" and houri is defined as :

In Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam), the ḥūr or ḥūrīyah[note 1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-1) (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): حورية‎) are commonly translated as "(splendid)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-Kawa.27ib-2) companions of equal age (well-matched)",[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-atrab-3) "lovely eyed",[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-56_22_23-4) of "modest gaze",[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-modest_gaze-5) "pure beings" or "companions pure" of paradise, denoting humans and jinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn) who enter Jannah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah) (paradise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise)) after being recreated anew in the hereafter.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-Tafsir_Ibn_Kathir_Damrah_bin_Habib-6) Islam also has a strong mystical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism) tradition which places these heavenly delights in the context of the ecstatic awareness of God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-7)


Doesn't really matter to me whether the number 72 applies to virgins, or homosexuals over the age of 72. Holmes wants to die a martyr. I would happily attend his LAST meeting, and either push the button, flick the switch, or INJECT him into the Netherworld where idiots, murderers, and bottom feeders get together to WIPE THE SWEAT from each other's genitals.

[jafar00]

72 virgins

The idea of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Abu `Isa Muhammad ibn `Isa at-Tirmidhi in his Jami` at-Tirmidhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami%60_at-Tirmidhi)[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-56) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Kathir) in his Tafsir ibn Kathir of sura 55[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-57) it is stated:
It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl), aquamarine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl#Aquamarine_and_maxixe) and ruby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby), as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus) to San'a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%27a).[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-58)

However, regarding the above statement Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf has said: "The narration, which claims that everyone would have seventy-two wives has a weak chain of narrators."[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-Salahuddin_Yusuf-40) There is also a theory that the promise of 72 virgins is a mistranslation from "72 angels".[58] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#cite_note-59)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#72_virgins

The Hadith is considered weak or by some as a complete fabrication. I've not heard about the mistranslation one since Hadiths are studied in the original Arabic. Perhaps there is a version that says Angels instead of Houri.

This kind of thing is picked up and presented as fact by anti Islam and Zionist blogs and media and used to ridicule Muslims when such a Hadith would be used by students as an example of how to spot BS and does not form a part of doctrine in any way.

[Drummond]

The Hadith is considered weak or by some as a complete fabrication. I've not heard about the mistranslation one since Hadiths are studied in the original Arabic. Perhaps there is a version that says Angels instead of Houri.

This kind of thing is picked up and presented as fact by anti Islam and Zionist blogs and media and used to ridicule Muslims when such a Hadith would be used by students as an example of how to spot BS and does not form a part of doctrine in any way.

Talking of BS, Jafar .. you claimed recently .. I quote ...


It's interesting to note that I also came to know Islam through the Sufi.
Are Sufists known for their support of terrorism ?

Yet, YOU support HAMAS.

But then, maybe Sufism isn't 'peace-loving' after all. Eh ?

[Marcus Aurelius]

The Hadith is considered weak or by some as a complete fabrication. I've not heard about the mistranslation one since Hadiths are studied in the original Arabic. Perhaps there is a version that says Angels instead of Houri.

This kind of thing is picked up and presented as fact by anti Islam and Zionist blogs and media and used to ridicule Muslims when such a Hadith would be used by students as an example of how to spot BS and does not form a part of doctrine in any way.

As usual, Jahil claims mistranslation, fabrication, or a Zionist plot.

One trick pony, Jahil.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Talking of BS, Jafar .. you claimed recently .. I quote ...


Are Sufists known for their support of terrorism ?

Yet, YOU support HAMAS.

But then, maybe Sufism isn't 'peace-loving' after all. Eh ?


Appears that you too may have finally made it onto Jafar's righteous ignore list.

If so welcome to the fast growing club my good friend..--:beer:

Clearly indicates that he has damn sure had enough of you truth too. ;)--Tyr

[Marcus Aurelius]

Appears that you too may have finally made it onto Jafar's righteous ignore list.

If so welcome to the fast growing club my good friend..--:beer:

Clearly indicates that he has damn sure had enough of you truth too. ;)--Tyr

Half the board is on his ignore list.

BTW... ignore is for pussies.

[Drummond]

Appears that you too may have finally made it onto Jafar's righteous ignore list.

Awww .. I'm heartbroken ... :waaaah::dancer::cheer5::banana::mm::coffee::lol:: dance:


If so welcome to the fast growing club my good friend..--:beer:

Clearly indicates that he has damn sure had enough of you truth too. ;)--Tyr

The truth'll get 'em every time ... :beer:

[Drummond]

Here's a little something that Jafar can ignore ..

.. a critique of the Koran ...

.. as offered by that famous bastion of political correctness, the unofficial website of the British Army, the Army Rumour Service ('Arrse') ...

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Koran

Partial Quote ...


A 7th Century book of Monotheistic Arabic Mysticism which Muslims believe was dictated to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel. It borrows heavily from Christian and Jewish traditions but without the "Love thy Neighbour" and "Turn the other cheek" bits.

Rather like a bad Quentin Tarantino film, the Koran is arranged in no meaningful order. It contains 114 Suras, the first of which is, logically enough, called "The Opening". The other 113 are ranged not in any meaningful chronological order, in which they have to be interpreted, but in decreasing order of length.

But why is the order so important? Well, Mohammed, I mean God, liked to change his mind. These changes of mind, properly called " abrogations", conveniently happened whenever Mohammed was having problems with things he, I mean God, had previously decreed. For instance, Mohammed, I mean God, decreed that believers could have four wives. But our Mo wanted a few more, so there is a sudden revelation that Mohammed can have more, indeed as many as he liked. But of course this revelation explicitly only provides Mohammed with the exception, and not the rest of the believers.

Alcohol is another case in point - 16:67 accepts it, then 4:43 prohibits turning up to worship drunk, and finally 5:90 prohibits it. Perhaps the most relevant abrogation today relates to attitudes towards nonbelievers (including the "people of the book") - the so-called Verse of the Sword, 9:5, aggregates and therefore cancels out no fewer than 124 more peaceful and tolerant verses, including the famous "there is no compulsion in religion" (which appears chronologically earlier). The vast majority of Islamic scholars agree that Sura 9 was chronologically the last to be "revealed", and - shock horror - an awful lot of the really nasty stuff appears in this sura and cancels out anything it contradicts!

The Suras are coarsely grouped into three Meccan periods, and the Medinan period.

Mainstream Muslim opinion views the Koran in much the same way as extremist Christian opinion views the Bible -- that it is the unabridged and absolutely final Word of God, end of debate. The fact that "Koran" itself means "recitation", and that it was initially an oral tradition written down later seems to have passed them by entirely.

The mainstream view is also that the Koran should only be read in the original classical Arabic, and that translations into modern languages are merely "interpretations" with no validity. This has the unfortunate consequence that many Muslims have never actually read the Koran, since they are not provided it in a language they can understand, much like the Latin Bible in medieval Catholicism. Oh, and according to a related view, only Muslims can understand it anyway, so there's no point in you reading it, infidel.

Even in the best translations, the language of the Koran is turgid. Imagine the most impenetrable parts of the King James Bible, and extend that to the whole book. There is incessant repetition (Mohammed, I mean God, couldn't always remember whether he had said something already), and extremely mangled versions of Bible stories, which are also sometimes repeated.

Indeed, some of these mangled Bible stories have a distinctly Arabian touch - Mary, for instance, gives birth under a palm tree, and the baby Jesus immediately speaks. God, I mean Mohammed, was trying somehow to link his religion in continuity with the two major monotheistic religions of the past, to claim legitimacy from them, and convince their followers to convert - an idea they weren't wholly chuffed with, the fact of which explains Mohammed's, I mean God's, bile towards Jews and Christians in the Medinan period Suras ....