American Student Punished for Refusing to Recite Mexican Pledge of Allegiance

[Marcus Aurelius]

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A Texas high school student has filed a federal lawsuit against her school and her teachers after she was punished for refusing to salute and recite the Mexican pledge of allegiance.

Brinsdon, who is the daughter of a Mexican immigrant and an American father, refused. She believed it was un-American to pledge a loyalty oath to another country.

The recitation of the Mexican pledge and the singing of the Mexican national anthem was part of a 2011 Spanish class assignment at Achieve Early College High School. The teacher, Reyna Santos, required all her students to participate in the lesson.


When Brinsdon refused to back down – she was punished, the lawsuit alleges. She was given an alternative assignment on the Independence of Mexico. The teacher gave her a failing grade – and then required the student to sit in class over a period of several days to listen to other students recite the Mexican flag.


The lawsuit states Brinsdon offered to recite the American pledge in Spanish but the teacher refused her request.

Mersino said it was especially troubling to watch video of students in the class standing up, extending their arms straight out, palms down and reciting the pledge of a foreign country.


Ironically, the school district has a policy that prohibits a school from compelling students to recite the American Pledge of Allegiance.

[Voted4Reagan]

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I'll back her up on this.

Is the ACLU Behind her? If they aren't they should be!

[Trigg]

So the school doesn't force students to recite the American Pledge, but here is a teacher flunking a student for not reciting the Mexican pledge...wow.


Yep I'd sue the school as well.

[darin]

Words mean something. If they were pledging something, she should stand her ground. If they were merely reading aloud, she's insuborninate and trying to make a burrito out of a bean.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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If whites do not stand up against this insane shat we will end up being slaves in our own country. Which is apparently the plan!!!
My child, I'd sue and if it were a male teacher I'd stomp his g-damn ass after THE LAWSUIT WAS SETTLED.
Using part of that money for my resulting legal fees from my giving that attitude adjustment to the dumbass teacher!
Some things a man must not play about. -Tyr

[Drummond]

Well, er'm, if anyone feels like pledging allegiance to the British, who am I to mind ?:eek:

But seriously .. this just strikes me as completely off-the-chart outrageous !!

Admittedly I'm not completely sure. But, could this actually be regarded as treasonous behaviour ? I'm struggling to see it in any other way. At the end of the day, Mexico is a foreign power, there will be times when Mexico and the US will fail to see eye-to-eye on issues. Pledging allegiance to Mexico then means - if taken literally - as pledging to defy the interests of your OWN country.

I don't see how there's justification for tolerating that outcome.

The teacher who pushed for this to happen needs to be made an example of. To stamp out any further likelihood of others following suit.

I've voted. 'NO' ... of course ...

[aboutime]

We've all been warned hundreds of times about how things would change. Why is anyone surprised with this?

Next thing we'll know. After Obama and Holder, with Jesse Jackson, and Al (NOTSO)Sharpton...and Keith Ellison of course, all get their two cents in.

Teachers who are members of the Teachers Unions, who supported Obama's re-election will probably be telling children to PLEDGE TO OBAMA..or face the RACIAL court of Stupidity.

[Marcus Aurelius]

If whites do not stand up against this insane shat we will end up being slaves in our own country. Which is apparently the plan!!!
My child, I'd sue and if it were a male teacher I'd stomp his g-damn ass after THE LAWSUIT WAS SETTLED.
Using part of that money for my resulting legal fees from my giving that attitude adjustment to the dumbass teacher!
Some things a man must not play about. -Tyr

what does 'white' have to do with anything? Citizens of ANY race in this country should be offended at the idea of a student being forced to say a pledge of allegiance to any other country.

[Robert A Whit]

We've all been warned hundreds of times about how things would change. Why is anyone surprised with this?

Next thing we'll know. After Obama and Holder, with Jesse Jackson, and Al (NOTSO)Sharpton...and Keith Ellison of course, all get their two cents in.

Teachers who are members of the Teachers Unions, who supported Obama's re-election will probably be telling children to PLEDGE TO OBAMA..or face the RACIAL court of Stupidity.

How did you manage to hold back and keep yourself from discussing the poster rather than than the topic this time?

[aboutime]

what does 'white' have to do with anything? Citizens of ANY race in this country should be offended at the idea of a student being forced to say a pledge of allegiance to any other country.


Marcus. I may be out of line butting in here but....I understand why Tyr alluded to that. Bringing race, or color into it.
Speaking only for myself. I have been accused of being a racist so many times over the last several years. It is almost
an instant reflex to defend myself...whenever, and wherever race is even suggested.
It's not an intentional dis to anyone. But...once again, speaking for myself. I am really so tired of being accused of being
a racist. Primarily because I have often made sincere attempts to be civil, and thoughtful in discussions about why racism,
and discrimination persist. But..almost every time I have tried. I have been stopped cold in my tracks, and nearly forbidden
from daring to talk about those things...because I haven't walked in the victim's shoes. When the reality is.
I feel like a victim in many respects...being shut down, and disrespected for daring to discuss the problem...nobody is willing
to talk about.
Not defending Tyr. But I do know what he meant.

[Robert A Whit]

Marcus. I may be out of line butting in here but....I understand why Tyr alluded to that. Bringing race, or color into it.
Speaking only for myself. I have been accused of being a racist so many times over the last several years. It is almost
an instant reflex to defend myself...whenever, and wherever race is even suggested.
It's not an intentional dis to anyone. But...once again, speaking for myself. I am really so tired of being accused of being
a racist. Primarily because I have often made sincere attempts to be civil, and thoughtful in discussions about why racism,
and discrimination persist. But..almost every time I have tried. I have been stopped cold in my tracks, and nearly forbidden
from daring to talk about those things...because I haven't walked in the victim's shoes. When the reality is.
I feel like a victim in many respects...being shut down, and disrespected for daring to discuss the problem...nobody is willing
to talk about.
Not defending Tyr. But I do know what he meant.

I support and agree fully with the above message. I have run into this even when discussing cops. As well as a few other topics.

[Marcus Aurelius]

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what does 'white' have to do with anything? Citizens of ANY race in this country should be offended at the idea of a student being forced to say a pledge of allegiance to any other country.



Marcus. I may be out of line butting in here but....I understand why Tyr alluded to that. Bringing race, or color into it.
Speaking only for myself. I have been accused of being a racist so many times over the last several years. It is almost
an instant reflex to defend myself...whenever, and wherever race is even suggested.
It's not an intentional dis to anyone. But...once again, speaking for myself. I am really so tired of being accused of being
a racist. Primarily because I have often made sincere attempts to be civil, and thoughtful in discussions about why racism,
and discrimination persist. But..almost every time I have tried. I have been stopped cold in my tracks, and nearly forbidden
from daring to talk about those things...because I haven't walked in the victim's shoes. When the reality is.
I feel like a victim in many respects...being shut down, and disrespected for daring to discuss the problem...nobody is willing
to talk about.
Not defending Tyr. But I do know what he meant.

you're not out of line. However, if people are just a little more careful how they phrase things, only the really unreasonable ones will accuse them of being racist... and you can simply dismiss them as the nimrods they are.

In all honesty, Tyr's post seemed somewhat racial to me.

[Robert A Whit]

Robert says: Ironically it was started by church.

The Pledge of Allegiance The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.
In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Section 4 of the Flag Code states:

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute." The original Bellamy salute, first described in 1892 by Francis Bellamy, who authored the original Pledge, began with a military salute, and after reciting the words "to the flag," the arm was extended toward the flag.

At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute — right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." At the words, "to my Flag," the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

The Youth's Companion, 1892 Shortly thereafter, the pledge was begun with the right hand over the heart, and after reciting "to the Flag," the arm was extended toward the Flag, palm-down.
In World War II, the salute too much resembled the Nazi salute, so it was changed to keep the right hand over the heart throughout.

[Syrenn]

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hopefully she wins.

[Robert A Whit]

Robert says:If Democrats want to whine, they need to know they imposed the pledge of allegiance on this nation.

The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of loyalty to the federal flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_States) and the republic of the United States of America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_America), originally composed by Francis Bellamy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy) in 1892 and formally adopted by Congress as the pledge in 1942.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#cite_note-1) The Pledge has been modified four times since its composition.
Congressional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) sessions open with the recital of the Pledge, as do many government meetings at local levels, and meetings held by many private organizations. It is also commonly recited in school at the beginning of every school day, although the Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_%28United_States%29) has ruled on several occasions that students cannot be compelled to recite the Pledge, or punished for not doing so.
According to the United States Flag Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code), the Pledge of Allegiance reads:[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#cite_note-Pledge-2)
<dl><dd>I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.</dd></dl> According to the Flag Code, the Pledge "should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salute)."[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#cite_note-Pledge-2)

[gabosaurus]

I think we had a topic about this about two years ago. Which is when the incident took place.

Can't you people find a more recent miscarriage of justice to bitch about?

[Robert A Whit]

Of Course. Try this miscarriage of justice.

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