Naughty Catholic priests at it again!

[gabosaurus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21572724


Britain's most senior Roman Catholic cleric, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, is stepping down as leader of the Scottish Catholic Church.
He had been accused of inappropriate behaviour towards priests dating back to the 1980s, claims he contests.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate


Three priests and a former priest in Scotland have reported the most senior Catholic clergyman in Britain, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, to the Vatican (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/vatican) over allegations of inappropriate behaviour stretching back 30 years.

[jimnyc]

You used plural, are there others at this time? Why do you blame the entire Church for the actions of the evil do'ers?

[gabosaurus]

You used plural, are there others at this time? Why do you blame the entire Church for the actions of the evil do'ers?

Why do you blame all Muslims for the actions of the evil doers?

[tailfins]

Why do you blame all Muslims for the actions of the evil doers?

I have been glad to know any Muslims I have met.

[jimnyc]

Why do you blame all Muslims for the actions of the evil doers?

I don't, I have said time and time again that I have issues with the non-peaceful people, and those who encourage or support them. A peaceful Muslim not wanting me dead, not abusing a woman, is just as good as me as far as I'm concerned.

[Voted4Reagan]

Why do you blame all Muslims for the actions of the evil doers?

Catholic Priests dont fly Airliners into buildings killing thousands...

[darin]

Should re-name this thread, maybe, 'Gay priests at it again'?

[Abbey Marie]

Should re-name this thread, maybe, 'Gay priests at it again'?

It would certainly be correct and descriptive.

[Kathianne]

It is good I suppose, that some protestant churches are finding gay marriage acceptable:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-stephen-v-sprinkle-phd/gay-and-baptist-how-an-oxymoron-may-save-the-church-yet_b_2561793.html


Gay and Baptist: How an Oxymoron May Save the Church Posted: 01/27/2013 11:29 am

An ordained gay Baptist preacher and his life partner who were refused a marriage license in Jefferson County accepted arrest rather than betray their Christian conviction that anti-gay laws are unjust. By implication, the Rev. Maurice "Bojangles" Blanchard and his husband, Dominique James, both members in good standing in a local Baptist congregation, stood in contradiction to the widely held cultural and spiritual assumption that gay people are "abominations" before God, and should have none of the common rights to marriage afforded to all other citizens by the civil state. Despite the shockwaves their non-violent protest is sending throughout evangelical Protestantism and Baptist life in particular, their act of conscience may save the church yet.

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Certainly better than this:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-23/news/chi-la-grange-minister-sex-assault_1_sexual-assault-la-grange-dawson


La Grange minister charged with sex assault of 9-year-old girl
February 23, 2013

A La Grange minister has been charged with sexually assaulting a minor under the age of 13 earlier this month.
Judge Edward Harmening ordered Donald Jung, 59, held in lieu of $750,000 bondhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-23/news/chi-la-grange-minister-sex-assault_1_sexual-assault-la-grange-dawson#); he was charged with predatory criminal sexual assault of a child. Jung, of the 100 block of East Avenue in La Grange, shook his head when the charges were read.

Oh, that got worse?:

http://wgntv.com/2013/02/23/minister-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-granddaughter/


A minister from west suburban LaGrange is charged with sexually assaulting his nine-year old granddaughter.
The suspect is 59-year old Reverend Donald Jung.
He’s charged with predatory criminal sexual assault of a child. At his bond hearing Saturday, prosecutors said earlier this month he drove to Milwaukee to pick-up three females.
They say Jung drove them to his home in LaGrange where he had sexual intercourse with the nine-year old girl.
After taking them home the victim told her mother who then notified police. Former members of the Second Baptist Church say they’re shocked by the allegations.
The Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office said Jung is being held on a $750,000 bond and that he told police he raped the young girl’s mother 22-years ago when she was ten years old.


Read more: http://wgntv.com/2013/02/23/minister-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-granddaughter/#ixzz2LwBvHwdu



http://texasbaptists.org/church-resources/minister-sexual-misconduct/

At least admitting a widespread problem is a step towards prevention:


Churches and individuals trust ministers to provide leadership, guidance, and care during some of the most vulnerable periods of life. Clergy sexual misconduct, whether it is an adulterous relationship or abuse of a child, violates this relationship of trust.
“We thought it could never happen in our church.” Resources for churches responding to clergy sexual misconduct

First Steps for Churches (http://texasbaptists.org/files/2010/08/20070525-Microsoft_Word_-_First_Steps_for_Churches_Responding_to_Clergy_Sex ual_Misconduct.pdf)
Guide for church reporting (http://texasbaptists.org/files/2012/10/CHURCH-REPORTING-OF-CLERGY-SEXUAL-MISCONDUCT.pdf)
Ministry to the victim and the church (http://texasbaptists.org/files/2010/08/MINSTRY_TO_CONGREGATIONS.pdf)
Minister to the offender’s family (http://texasbaptists.org/files/2010/08/MINISTRY_TO_CLERGY.pdf)

“Is my child safe at church?”
Resources for parents to prevent sexual abuse of your child (http://texasbaptists.org/files/2010/08/20070525-Microsoft_Word_-_questions_for_parents.pdf)

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By Jove, seems there's a way to restore, hemmm, something!

http://restoringsexualpurity.org/the-sexually-addicted-minister/


<header> The Sexually Addicted Minister: Categories: The Sexually Addicted Minister (http://restoringsexualpurity.org/category/the-sexually-addicted-minister/)
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Someone you know has a hidden problem. He may be on your staff, a pastor in the same town, a wife of a friend, a district leader, an evangelist, or a returning missionary. Perhaps it is your spouse or family member. You know them on a first-name basis, and you know their spiritual gifts. What you do not know is their secret life of sexual sin. What you do not see beneath the anointed preaching, the gifts of the Spirit, and the successful ministry is the hidden depths of this person’s heart. There you will find the deceitfulness of “evil thoughts … adultery, sexual immorality” (Matthew 15:19), a wickedness so unclean it defies sound logic and reason when it erupts and affects a growing church and a seemingly good marriage. The pervasiveness of this problem is one of the greatest spiritual challenges facing the Christian church in this postmodern age.
Facing The Truth Ministers are in deep trouble and anyone who doubts that is spiritually asleep (1 Thessalonians 5:6). The numbers alone do not indicate the seriousness of the problem, but that is part of the nature of the problem. To understand the breadth and depth of this crisis pastors must have the courage to open the closed doors of their own ministerial lives and ask the Spirit to examine their hearts.
The problem is not the pornography on the Internet or the many opportunities for sexual sin in America’s sexually saturated culture. It is the potential for wickedness in our own hearts coupled with the secrecy of a pastor’s personal life. The critical questions to ask are:

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http://q13fox.com/2013/02/22/ex-church-minister-singer-gets-22-years-for-child-sexual-assault/

Ex-church minister, singer gets 22 years for child sexual assault


SEATTLE — Former Seattle church minister and singer Timothy Dampier was sentenced Friday to 22 years in prison for molesting and raping nearly a dozen boys between 1997-2011. Standing before a courtroom full of his victims and their families, Dampier told them he was remorseful for his crimes.

[mundame]

Should re-name this thread, maybe, 'Gay priests at it again'?


Nothing "gay" about priests molesting student priests. That's sordid and immoral.

Nothing "gay" about most homosexual behavior, especially when they abuse children, priests, and pass around serious sexually transmitted diseases.

I wonder if the Catholic Church will finally collapse due to all this rampant immorality of its priests.

It has often happened before and it never collapsed then --- but now secular humanism has pretty much taken over completely in Europe: Voltaire 1, God 0. The churches are empty and few even marry anymore, which is relevant because marriage is a Catholic sacrament.

It's been worse, such as when there were two and three popes at a time for so long and one set lived in Avignon. The time of heresies and the Inquisition fighting them, which the Church has never really recovered from, it was so hated, and then the Reformation, which the Church lost.

I think it's a bad combo, however, the supremacy of Science and atheism in the cultures of Europe and the U.S. at least, along with the VERY bad behavior of so many, many priests and in fact the whole organization set up to protect priests that victimize children. How can one believe in such a group? It seems very nasty to me.

But it wouldn't surprise me if they weather this and just go on --- they got through Henry VIII, after all. And he knocked down all the monestaries and broke stained glass in the churches, etc.

[tailfins]

It is good I suppose, that some protestant churches are finding gay marriage acceptable:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-stephen-v-sprinkle-phd/gay-and-baptist-how-an-oxymoron-may-save-the-church-yet_b_2561793.html



Certainly better than this:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-23/news/chi-la-grange-minister-sex-assault_1_sexual-assault-la-grange-dawson



Oh, that got worse?:

http://wgntv.com/2013/02/23/minister-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-granddaughter/



http://texasbaptists.org/church-resources/minister-sexual-misconduct/

At least admitting a widespread problem is a step towards prevention:



By Jove, seems there's a way to restore, hemmm, something!

http://restoringsexualpurity.org/the-sexually-addicted-minister/



http://q13fox.com/2013/02/22/ex-church-minister-singer-gets-22-years-for-child-sexual-assault/

Ex-church minister, singer gets 22 years for child sexual assault









I don't think you will find a Bible Baptist (BBFI) church supporting gay marriage. Regarding sin of any type, no one is above suspicion. Verification, transparency and decreasing opportunity is always a good idea. Does that mean you won't scoff if a Baptist man insists on an open door or third party attending if you have some kind of business meeting with him?

[Robert A Whit]

Why do you blame all Muslims for the actions of the evil doers?

I will bet that Jim does not feel that way. But he asked you why you call Catholic priests naughty when it was a higher up that was naughty? Wasn't it a Cardinal rather than a Priest?

Blame our own media if you think the Muslims are not understood.

I have mentioned on forums about this guy from Iran that I used to see fairly often. I met him when he was a loan officer and at times I appraised homes at his request. We got to talking a lot and over time became friends.

When we met, he was a very devout Muslim. He informed me he converted to being a Catholic.

I sort of tested him and asked him directly ...

Sia, tell me honestly. Is Islam a violent religion.

He with no hesitation said to me, yes, it is violent.

No practicing Muslim I ever met would be that frank.

Bear in mind though that he understood Islam from what he grew up with in Iran. And here he noted that people are not under the control as they are in Iran.

I heard some stories about Iran from a few Iranians.

I used to speak somewhat often to the former head of police communications in Iran under the Shah. He moved to the USA and left behind millions of dollars in property he owned. I asked him if Iran would take his property but he did not seem to think they would. To him I stuck to politics. He said that under the Shah the affluent had it better. All Iranians I met on any side of the argument all supported that. If you were more working class, they were more accepting of the Ayatollah. But by this time they may not like that system so much. I was told by these guys living in America of times they returned to Iran for a wedding as one example. They used gasolne cans to smuggle booze to the weddings. They apparently did not want to give up booze.

[darin]

Nothing "gay" about priests molesting student priests. That's sordid and immoral.

Nothing "gay" about most homosexual behavior, especially when they abuse children, priests, and pass around serious sexually transmitted diseases.


Dude. Gay IS Homosexual behaviour. Inseparable. Don't be naive. Saying otherwise is like saying "Rape is NOT sex/intercourse".</SPAN>

[mundame]

Dude. Gay IS Homosexual behaviour. Inseparable. Don't be naive. Saying otherwise is like saying "Rape is NOT sex/intercourse".</SPAN>


I see what you are saying.

I was referring to the old use of the word. I can remember BEFORE the word "gay" meant homosexual.

I had to make a decision and found I could not use that word to mean homosexual -- this was during the first big AIDS outbreak and it was so very not "gay." It was horrible, scary, sad, and I much resented these men for bringing a foul disease into the country; everyone was terrified of it at that time.

So using "gay" to mean cheerful, lighthearted, innocent, fun-loving: no. Just......no.

Whatever else it is, it's never "gay."


However, I see your point.

[tailfins]

Dude. Gay IS Homosexual behaviour. Inseparable. Don't be naive. Saying otherwise is like saying "Rape is NOT sex/intercourse".

The Cambridge/P-town crowd educated me on that topic. "Gay" is a sexual ORIENTATION whether they practice or not. Situations such as prisons have homosexual behavior by people who are NOT "gay".

[jafar00]

Catholic Priests dont fly Airliners into buildings killing thousands...

Neither do Islamic Imams. Don't deflect the subject. We are talking about the rampant sexual abuse of children by the Catholic Church over a very long time.

[jimnyc]

The churches are empty and few even marry anymore, which is relevant because marriage is a Catholic sacrament.

That's not what I see. Every mass, every Sunday at my Church is filled to the maximum. Being I live about 1/2 mile away and pass it non-stop, I get to see the weddings there all the time. I really don't see things hurting at all. The issues stem with certain priests, and I certainly won't protect them, but they don't speak for the Church - and the Church really doesn't speak for the million + Catholics.

[Voted4Reagan]

Neither do Islamic Imams. Don't deflect the subject. We are talking about the rampant sexual abuse of children by the Catholic Church over a very long time.

But Imams implore their Followers to commit acts of Jihad.

Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman (the Blind Sheik) being a prime example

[tailfins]

But Imams implore their Followers to commit acts of Jihad.

Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman (the Blind Sheik) being a prime example

Doesn't "jihad" just mean "struggle"?

[mundame]

That's not what I see. Every mass, every Sunday at my Church is filled to the maximum. Being I live about 1/2 mile away and pass it non-stop, I get to see the weddings there all the time. I really don't see things hurting at all. The issues stem with certain priests, and I certainly won't protect them, but they don't speak for the Church - and the Church really doesn't speak for the million + Catholics.

I was talking about Europe. Europeans have pretty much stopped being Catholic. It's a lot further along there than here.

If the Catholic Church does not speak for the Catholic flock, you've got a serious situation.....

And probably that is true, that the believers and the hierarchy are going in different directions. Birth control and remarriage after divorce, both essentially universal among American Catholics but deplored by the hierarchy, is a strong sign of how bad it's gotten.

In the Middle Ages people who didn't follow the rules of the church in this way would have been charged, tried, and probably hanged or burned alive. And often were. Nowadays Catholics pretty much do what they want and the Church has lost its authority.

The priests teach bad things no one wants to do and then so many of them sexually abuse boys --- darn. I would question having much to do with a church like that. I am interested in your saying that the catholic believers are setting out on their own, in a way.

In Europe, they've all just sort of left the church and stay home and are atheists, basically. Non-believers, anyway, so I read.

[Robert A Whit]

Doesn't "jihad" just mean "struggle"?

Like Gay still means happy? I agree with Mundame and see the way Gay is used as just wrong. It is a word meaning happy. It should not be used as a substitute for homosexual. They deceive themselves if they think they are happy.


it seem to this observer that currently Jihad still means go make war. I believe you are accurate though but are you a Muslim? What would it mean to them?

[tailfins]

Like Gay still means happy? I agree with Mundame and see the way Gay is used as just wrong. It is a word meaning happy. It should not be used as a substitute for homosexual. They deceive themselves if they think they are happy.


it seem to this observer that currently Jihad still means go make war. I believe you are accurate though but are you a Muslim? What would it mean to them?

I'm just thinking about how a BILLION people cannot all be the same. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that to some Muslims, jihad equals struggle.

[jimnyc]

I was talking about Europe. Europeans have pretty much stopped being Catholic. It's a lot further along there than here.

If the Catholic Church does not speak for the Catholic flock, you've got a serious situation.....

And probably that is true, that the believers and the hierarchy are going in different directions. Birth control and remarriage after divorce, both essentially universal among American Catholics but deplored by the hierarchy, is a strong sign of how bad it's gotten.

In the Middle Ages people who didn't follow the rules of the church in this way would have been charged, tried, and probably hanged or burned alive. And often were. Nowadays Catholics pretty much do what they want and the Church has lost its authority.

The priests teach bad things no one wants to do and then so many of them sexually abuse boys --- darn. I would question having much to do with a church like that. I am interested in your saying that the catholic believers are setting out on their own, in a way.

In Europe, they've all just sort of left the church and stay home and are atheists, basically. Non-believers, anyway, so I read.

The Catholic Church also wants us to go to confession, while other places say to confess to no "man". While the Church can be the leader of those in charge, all the way down to the priests - they don't necessarily speak for all of us. They can probably do best at translating Biblical passages, and the history of Catholicism. I look at them as a guide that works its way down to our Churches, but that doesn't mean they speak for individuals.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Neither do Islamic Imams. Don't deflect the subject. We are talking about the rampant sexual abuse of children by the Catholic Church over a very long time.

What about the rampant murder of 'infidels' by Muslims over a long period of time? Want to talk about that, jackass?

[avatar4321]

Nothing "gay" about priests molesting student priests. That's sordid and immoral.

Nothing "gay" about most homosexual behavior, especially when they abuse children, priests, and pass around serious sexually transmitted diseases.

I wonder if the Catholic Church will finally collapse due to all this rampant immorality of its priests.

It has often happened before and it never collapsed then --- but now secular humanism has pretty much taken over completely in Europe: Voltaire 1, God 0. The churches are empty and few even marry anymore, which is relevant because marriage is a Catholic sacrament.

It's been worse, such as when there were two and three popes at a time for so long and one set lived in Avignon. The time of heresies and the Inquisition fighting them, which the Church has never really recovered from, it was so hated, and then the Reformation, which the Church lost.

I think it's a bad combo, however, the supremacy of Science and atheism in the cultures of Europe and the U.S. at least, along with the VERY bad behavior of so many, many priests and in fact the whole organization set up to protect priests that victimize children. How can one believe in such a group? It seems very nasty to me.

But it wouldn't surprise me if they weather this and just go on --- they got through Henry VIII, after all. And he knocked down all the monestaries and broke stained glass in the churches, etc.

There is nothing gay about homosexual behavior period, but it doesnt change the fact that the homosexual movement has coopted the word for their own use. Nor does it change the fact that sexual activity with a member of the same sex is homosexual and immoral.

The immorality of the priests is disgusting. I sincerely hope they repent. They will be held to higher standards than others.