I am ashamed of my country

[red states rule]

So said Rush on his show yesterday and I sadly agree with him

I have never seen so much fake outrage over a LIE! Politicians on both sides are doing it and the liberal media are pouring gasoline on the fire to turn up the heat

There are no cuts yet politicians are pissing their pants over a 2% reduction in the rate of growth

It is a sad day and it shows how low this nation has sunk



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjUBWbIe6w&feature=player_embedded

[Nukeman]

See this is where I differ.. I am NOT ashamed of MY country but I am deeply ashamec of my elected officials who think (or should i say don't think) they are smarter than the average citizen.

I am ashamed of how the people in office IGNORE my wishes and continue to set themselves apart from the "rest" of us...

[darin]

I am ashamed of how the people in office IGNORE my wishes and continue to set themselves apart from the "rest" of us...


...people in office who were RE-elected. That's the shame. yes, I know - I suspect - millions of votes cast in favor of HIM were fradulent...doesn't change the fact - our nation's electoral base is comprised of illegals, felons, and the worst of society in terms of "having a fucking clue"

:(

No hope.

[red states rule]

See this is where I differ.. I am NOT ashamed of MY country but I am deeply ashamec of my elected officials who think (or should i say don't think) they are smarter than the average citizen.

I am ashamed of how the people in office IGNORE my wishes and continue to set themselves apart from the "rest" of us...

We have so many on BOTH sides talking down to us and treating us like we have the IQ of a house plant

It is sad to see so many people buying the lies the liberal media are selling that a 2 1/2% reduction of the GROWTH of the bloated budget will cripple, destroy, wipe out, and change life as we know it

I have heard people on local call in shows fretting about "cops, teachers, and firemen losing their jobs"

How f'ing stupid have people become Nukeman that they fall this crap AGAIN?

Yes I know elected officials on both sides are treating us with contempt - but what about the growing number of people let them get away with it?

[taft2012]

...people in office who were RE-elected. That's the shame.


Bingo!

International communism planted seeds during the Cold War that were left to sprout and eventually undo us. Ironically, those who planted the seeds have since perished, but we're now dealing with the fruits of their efforts.

[fj1200]

So said Rush on his show yesterday and I sadly agree with him


Color me shocked. It's one thing to be ashamed of the country and another to be ashamed of how it's governed.

[Marcus Aurelius]

See this is where I differ.. I am NOT ashamed of MY country but I am deeply ashamec of my elected officials who think (or should i say don't think) they are smarter than the average citizen.

I am ashamed of how the people in office IGNORE my wishes and continue to set themselves apart from the "rest" of us...

Do we have a Post of the Day award?

[darin]

Color me shocked. It's one thing to be ashamed of the country and another to be ashamed of how it's governed.


those two are linked - we are governed by ourselves.

[fj1200]

those two are linked - we are governed by ourselves.

Disagree. Idiots in DC are not the same as the good that comes from the US.

[darin]

Disagree. Idiots in DC are not the same as the good that comes from the US.
...whose population ELECTS the idiots in DC...

It's a self-licking ice cream cone.

[revelarts]

what Rush has described has been going on every since I started paying attention during the Carter Admin. Clinton and the Rupublicain congress came the closest to doing something on this front.
every other time it's just been a lot of talk over the a decrees in the extra spending planed.

To my knowledge every time. with the hangwringing by the left and the table pounding by the right. it's a joke.

but we can't vote for non party members who aren't a part of the D&R political cartel, THAT would be just wastin our votes :rolleyes:.


carry on.

vote republican again next year and the year after that and see how much change you get on this front.

[KarlMarx]

I'm not ashamed of my country... I just want to know which country I've been living in these past 4 years... perhaps it's the United Socialist States of America or Obamastan perhaps?

[Voted4Reagan]

TERM LIMITS IN HOUSE AND SENATE:

House of Representatives - Maximum of 3 terms (6 years) either consecutive or non consecutive

Senate - Maximum of 2 Terms (8 Years) either consecutive or Non Consecutive.


It is time to make our elected officials work for US, not us working for them to keep them in office.

[gabosaurus]

LMAO. :laugh:

I made almost the same type of post during the Bush administration. I was assailed as an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer and invited to move to France or someplace in the Middle East. Because the POTUS is Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces abroad and hating the president is equal to hating our troops. Which is sedition and worthy of execution.

It's your country, right or wrong. Love it or leave it. :salute:
Oh, and stop hating the troops, OK?

[jimnyc]

LMAO. :laugh:

I made almost the same type of post during the Bush administration. I was assailed as an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer and invited to move to France or someplace in the Middle East. Because the POTUS is Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces abroad and hating the president is equal to hating our troops. Which is sedition and worthy of execution.

It's your country, right or wrong. Love it or leave it. :salute:
Oh, and stop hating the troops, OK?

Link please? Or will this be another accusation that we never see?

[Voted4Reagan]

Who the heck is Gabby talking to?

[jimnyc]

Who the heck is Gabby talking to?

The other person in her head? :dunno:

[Voted4Reagan]

The other person in her head? :dunno:

Careful... you know how she likes to take cheap shots at those afflicted with mental illness....

[fj1200]

...whose population ELECTS the idiots in DC...

It's a self-licking ice cream cone.

Doesn't mean I need to be ashamed of my country solely due to voting patterns. By the logic of some here when a Republican is elected four years hence then I won't need to be ashamed anymore. The people didn't get any smarter.

[jimnyc]

TERM LIMITS IN HOUSE AND SENATE:

House of Representatives - Maximum of 3 terms (6 years) either consecutive or non consecutive

Senate - Maximum of 2 Terms (8 Years) either consecutive or Non Consecutive.


It is time to make our elected officials work for US, not us working for them to keep them in office.

I'm no expert and won't make a defined number, but no doubt there need to be term limits. Problem is, these bastards will be the ones to vote on changes and will never vote it through!

[Robert A Whit]

I'm no expert and won't make a defined number, but no doubt there need to be term limits. Problem is, these bastards will be the ones to vote on changes and will never vote it through!

I don't understand term limits.

But in CA, we voted for them. The bastards in Sacramento now play revolving jobs. A person is elected to the lower house. When term limited out he simply jumps to the Senate. They get voted in too. Don't tell me voters got sick of them since they will keep voting them in. A few decided when termed out they don't go for another spot, but those who want to stay in find a way. We had one that did almost all the jobs in CA Government. Well, a lot of them anyway. I have to check but I think he is still in some office at the upper levels.

Here he is. Note when he started in elective office. When he ran out of terms, he then became the state attorney General. That termed out so he is now the state Treasurer.

Part of it from Wikipedia will show you some of it. If you wish, use Wikipedia to do a case study on term limits.


Lockyer first won a State Assembly seat in a Special Election of September 4, 1973, following the accidental death of the Bay Area Assemblyman Robert W. Crown (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_W._Crown&action=edit&redlink=1) who was his political mentor. He served in the Legislature for the next twenty-five years, more than half that time in the State Senate, where, in 1994, he was chosen by his peers to be President Pro Tem, the most powerful position of the upper legislative house.

In his spare time, Lockyer attended law school classes in Sacramento and received a law degree from the McGeorge School of Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGeorge_School_of_Law), University of the Pacific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Pacific_%28United_States%29).
As as legislator, Lockyer won close friends on both sides of the partisan aisle, including Jim Brulte, Republican Minority Leader of the State Senate, who would long remember Lockyer's skill at compromise and consensus-building.,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lockyer#cite_note-6) and Democratic Speaker of the Assembly Willie Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_%28politician%29), who recalled that, by the time Lockyer left the Legislature in 1998, "Capitol insiders took his prolific effectiveness for granted." [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lockyer#cite_note-7)

[Abbey Marie]

those two are linked - we are governed by ourselves.

I agree. Someone once said we get the government we deserve.

[Anton Chigurh]

I'm not ashamed of it. He can always leave, ya know.

Hyperbole.


TERM LIMITS IN HOUSE AND SENATE:We have those. It's called "election day."


no doubt there need to be term limits. My GAWD.

All term limits will do is make corruption much more rampant. Think about it - a Senator who just got re-elected to his LAST TERM now doesn't have to sweat re-election or even bother worrying about his constituents, and will be ON THE TAKE far more than he ever was or could have been. And he has SIX YEARS now, to do it. With no consequences.

If the founders and framers had wanted term limits we would have them. We don't because they knew what I stated above. It's in the Federalist Papers.

The term limits they gave us is called "election day."

[Marcus Aurelius]

LMAO. :laugh:

I made almost the same type of post during the Bush administration. I was assailed as an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer and invited to move to France or someplace in the Middle East. Because the POTUS is Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces abroad and hating the president is equal to hating our troops. Which is sedition and worthy of execution.

It's your country, right or wrong. Love it or leave it. :salute:
Oh, and stop hating the troops, OK?

you're a looney.

[tailfins]

you're a looney.

I think a Loonie is worth more than she is:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9QS_MpSmSTw/TZzRt65p-fI/AAAAAAAACBw/nJ4wrVCAMQ4/s1600/MONEY-LOONIE3.jpg

[gabosaurus]

Link please? Or will this be another accusation that we never see?

I would have to find it on the other board. If indeed it is still there. I am thinking it was about 2005 or so.

[jimnyc]

I would have to find it on the other board. If indeed it is still there. I am thinking it was about 2005 or so.

Not necessary, as I know some were told certain things while Bush was in office, but don't make it sound like every Republican or conservative acted that way towards you.

[gabosaurus]

Not necessary, as I know some were told certain things while Bush was in office, but don't make it sound like every Republican or conservative acted that way towards you.

Wasn't said or implied. But you know how the majority felt and acted.

[Voted4Reagan]

Wasn't said or implied. But you know how the majority felt and acted.

yet you made a broad sweeping generalization and made yourself look foolish...

Par for the course for you

[aboutime]

Wasn't said or implied. But you know how the majority felt and acted.


Poor gabby.......................... 4547....Duh, makin stuff up is da libral way..Duh!

[Kathianne]

Disagree. Idiots in DC are not the same as the good that comes from the US.

I used to believe that, not anymore. When a significant majority of people disagree with the administrations policies, yet blame every possible alternative to that administration, something is truly wrong.

An example from today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html


Obama’s sequester deal-changer

By Bob Woodward, Published: February 22

Misunderstanding, misstatements and all the classic contortions of partisan message management surround the sequester, the term for the $85 billion in ugly and largely irrational federal spending cuts set by law to begin Friday.


What is the non-budget wonk to make of this? Who is responsible (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/05/who-is-responsible-for-the-sequester/)? What really happened?
The finger-pointing began during the third presidential debate (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/2012-presidential-debate-president-obama-and-mitt-romneys-remarks-at-lynn-university-on-oct-22-running-transcript/2012/10/22/be8899d6-1c7a-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html) last fall, on Oct. 22, when President Obama blamed Congress (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-fanciful-claim-that-congress-proposed-the-sequester/2012/10/25/8651dc6a-1eed-11e2-ba31-3083ca97c314_blog.html). “The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed,” Obama said. “It is something that Congress has proposed.”


The White House chief of staff at the time, Jack Lew, who had been budget director during the negotiations that set up the sequester in 2011, backed up the president two days later.


“There was an insistence on the part of Republicans in Congress (http://www2.tbo.com/news/nation-world/2012/oct/25/namaino4-top-obama-aide-backs-fiscal-cliff-debate-ar-543653/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tbo%2Fnationworld+%28TBO+%3E+ NationWorld%29) for there to be some automatic trigger,” Lew said while campaigning in Florida. It “was very much rooted in the Republican congressional insistence that there be an automatic measure.”


The president and Lew had this wrong. My extensive reporting for my book “The Price of Politics (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1451651104/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1451651104&linkCode=as2&tag=slatmaga-20)” shows that the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of Lew and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors — probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government.

...

[red states rule]

Disagree. Idiots in DC are not the same as the good that comes from the US.

If not for the idiots who keep voting for the same idiots who keep voting for the polices that mega screw us over.

Everything that is happening was predicated if Obama won a second term. Not only did a majority of voters (under informed voters) go with Obama they put more Dems in the House and Senate

So who is more to blame? The idiots who are in DC or the idiots who employed the idiots?


LMAO. :laugh:

I made almost the same type of post during the Bush administration. I was assailed as an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer and invited to move to France or someplace in the Middle East. Because the POTUS is Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces abroad and hating the president is equal to hating our troops. Which is sedition and worthy of execution.

It's your country, right or wrong. Love it or leave it. :salute:
Oh, and stop hating the troops, OK?

So you have no issue with the debt your daughter is inheriting right now Gabby? Assuming you want her to go to college, you do realize when she graduates she will have 2 mortgages to pay off.

(One is the debt Obama is handing her and the other will be her student loans)

I am sure if you respond it will be about Bush and not about Obama

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If not for the idiots who keep voting for the same idiots who keep voting for the polices that mega screw us over.

Everything that is happening was predicated if Obama won a second term. Not only did a majority of voters (under informed voters) go with Obama they put more Dems in the House and Senate

So who is more to blame? The idiots who are in DC or the idiots who employed the idiots?

OR THE IDIOTS THAT TAUGHT ALL THE SHEEP?
OUR SOCIALIST PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM HAS BORN FRUIT AND THE PROGRESSIVES KNOW IT AND USE IT.
Striking while the iron is hot. This nation may not fall completely but one thing is for sure is that we are going to have tons of misery as our reward for following the progressive agenda. And that too has always been predicted to occur should we ever be stupid enough to follow such people.-Tyr

[red states rule]

OR THE IDIOTS THAT TAUGHT ALL THE SHEEP?
OUR SOCIALIST PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM HAS BORN FRUIT AND THE PROGRESSIVES KNOW IT AND USE IT.
Striking while the iron is hot. This nation may not fall completely but one thing is for sure is that we are going to have tons of misery as our reward for following the progressive agenda. And that too has always been predicted to occur should we ever be stupid enough to follow such people.-Tyr

Try what bothers me the most is the fact there are some R's that are calling these "cuts". They are not cuts. They are spending increases that may not be spent. How the hell can this be considered a cut?

The Feds are spending more this year than they did last year. With zero based budgeting there are never any cuts

I can understand the stupidity of most Dem voters since nearly all of them actually think the government can do things more effectively, efficiently, and cheaper then the private sector

It is sad to see how many R's telling the same damn lies as Dems, Obama, and the liberal media

[fj1200]

I used to believe that, not anymore.


If not for the idiots who keep voting for the same idiots who keep voting for the polices that mega screw us over.

Acknowledging idiots is not the same thing as shame of country.

[Kathianne]

Acknowledging idiots is not the same thing as shame of country.

We seem to have hit the point where there are more voters that are irrational in making decisions. No, it's more than that, they don't understand the system, thus the system no longer works. When the majority of Americans agree that the policies are wrong, but vote in the same folks anyways, blaming other institutions or people, the system is hopelessly broken.

I'm unsure where this will all go in the future, but unlikely to be something good.

[aboutime]

It doesn't take anyone long to finally agree with what Rush said about being ashamed of OUR country.

The evidence is everywhere you look, go, hear, and see.

Even here on this Forum. The evidence jumps off the screen.

So. I feel the same way. Sad, not only for myself. But for five little people who call me Pop, and sad for what
their future seems to be leading toward if things do not get better.

And, I must also add. As I grow older. Looking back on the thirty years of service I gave to this...OUR country.
I often find myself asking. "Was it worth it?" Knowing, and seeing how everything I, and millions of other Americans
have done...was all for Nothing but Stupid, Ignorant, Selfish, Literally Dumb people who have no idea about anything.

[Abbey Marie]

Acknowledging idiots is not the same thing as shame of country.

Let's try this one out: Your wife is cheating on you. It's not your fault she's behaving this way; you gave her no reason to. Most people would say she is lacking in decency or integrity. Are you also ashamed of her? Perhaps even embarassed to be married to her?

Admittedly not a perfect analogy, but the point is, it's not always easy or necessary to distinguish between someone's behavior (voting for lousy pols) and the result (a country that is currently hard to be proud of).

Having said that, I am not ashamed of my country- yet.

[aboutime]

Acknowledging idiots is not the same thing as shame of country.


fj. I apologize for not mentioning you by name when talking about, or acknowledging idiots. Consider yourself mentioned.

[gabosaurus]

I am ashamed of those who felt Dubya was a good president. The country is better off now that we were eight years ago.

Anyone who is ashamed of this country should move overseas. Go to South America. Or Europe.
I'm not knocking it. My best friend moved to England several years ago because she felt the American way of life was vastly degraded.

[jimnyc]

The country is better off now that we were eight years ago.

Please list the ways. And not rhetoric, actual reasons.

[aboutime]

I am ashamed of those who felt Dubya was a good president. The country is better off now that we were eight years ago.

Anyone who is ashamed of this country should move overseas. Go to South America. Or Europe.
I'm not knocking it. My best friend moved to England several years ago because she felt the American way of life was vastly degraded.


Tell us HOW? Gabby. Not opinions, not rhetoric, or semantics. Just FACTS. If you dare.

[Anton Chigurh]

I am ashamed of those who felt Dubya was a good president.All-time record revenue measured any way there is, from total dollars to percentage of GDP, any way you want. Low unemployment, zero inflation - many other symptoms of a excellent Presidency too numerous to count.

In fact, as soon as the Dems got control of Congress, they set to work wiping out the economy because up until that time, the economy was a unassailable point of contention. They spent two years before that pooh-poohing it and talking it down, then spent their two years of total control undermining it. Sabotaging it.


http://youtu.be/m6KFTrfM9c4

Watch the unemployment rate by county not start to deteriorate until January 2007 when Pelosi, Reid and the democrats took control of Congress, then watch it REALLY start to shoot up when the Dems won the White House too.

Making note of course, of the 4.9% unemployment rate the nation was enjoying before all that....

Pelosi, Reid and their cohorts such as Barney Frank purposely and systematically destroyed the economy in order for their party to get the White House in November 2008. Then they started the statist, Keynesian policies that have KEPT the economy in the tank, and have utilized the Cloward-Piven strategy to keep people stirred up, since.

[aboutime]

I am ashamed of those who felt Dubya was a good president. The country is better off now that we were eight years ago.

Anyone who is ashamed of this country should move overseas. Go to South America. Or Europe.
I'm not knocking it. My best friend moved to England several years ago because she felt the American way of life was vastly degraded.


gabby. As someone like you, who brags about being smarter than everyone else. Ever consider how ashamed we might be of YOU?

Think about it. It actually is true.

[Robert A Whit]

I am ashamed of those who felt Dubya was a good president. The country is better off now that we were eight years ago.

Anyone who is ashamed of this country should move overseas. Go to South America. Or Europe.
I'm not knocking it. My best friend moved to England several years ago because she felt the American way of life was vastly degraded.

You despise G.W. Bush so who did you pay to get a license to call him Dubya?

That implies he is called by his middle name. That is lie one.

Look, any sane person wants no part of war. But you want to put all the blame for wars on Bush? Spread the misery then. Lash out at Obama. Lash out at Clinton. Your friend landed in a terrible spot in the event she gets ill. Despite our left wing bragging about England's health care, the Brits don't brag about it and for good reason.

But for G.W. Bush millions of the elderly would pay a lot for medicine. While I am no fan of making others pay for my medicine, still i admit he saved me a lot of money. A lot of the elderly barely get by and this is thanks to the FDR regime and it's putting the idea into the head of the public not to worry, the Feds will always be there taking care of you. And some wonder why this country has a lousy record of saving and investing?

Compare the incomes vs savings of this country then come back to chat.

[fj1200]

We seem to have hit the point where there are more voters that are irrational in making decisions. No, it's more than that, they don't understand the system, thus the system no longer works. When the majority of Americans agree that the policies are wrong, but vote in the same folks anyways, blaming other institutions or people, the system is hopelessly broken.

I'm unsure where this will all go in the future, but unlikely to be something good.

I don't equate government with the country. People go about their daily lives making this country a great place regardless of what happens in DC. I'm pretty sure some of the people who agree with Rush would be going around claiming that the country was saved and there is nothing to be ashamed of if a mere few million votes were switched or turnout had been a bit different. The people would have been largely the same and equally ignorant with minimal difference in the populace.


Let's try this one out: Your wife is cheating on you. It's not your fault she's behaving this way; you gave her no reason to. Most people would say she is lacking in decency or integrity. Are you also ashamed of her? Perhaps even embarassed to be married to her?

Admittedly not a perfect analogy, but the point is, it's not always easy or necessary to distinguish between someone's behavior (voting for lousy pols) and the result (a country that is currently hard to be proud of).

Having said that, I am not ashamed of my country- yet.

So even you don't buy your analogy?


fj. I apologize for not mentioning you by name when talking about, or acknowledging idiots. Consider yourself mentioned.

You must have been a favorite in the sailor exchange program with the Greek Navy huh?


I am ashamed of those who felt Dubya was a good president. The country is better off now that we were eight years ago.

Not by any measure. Check out the global competitiveness rankings and the US' plummet.

IBchirpingcrickets


Anyone who is ashamed of this country should move overseas. Go to South America. Or Europe.
I'm not knocking it. My best friend moved to England several years ago because she felt the American way of life was vastly degraded.

The 'ol best friend argument eh? :rolleyes:

[Drummond]

I am ashamed of those who felt Dubya was a good president. The country is better off now that we were eight years ago.

Anyone who is ashamed of this country should move overseas. Go to South America. Or Europe.
I'm not knocking it. My best friend moved to England several years ago because she felt the American way of life was vastly degraded.

You haven't said what the outcome was. Did your best friend continue to prefer England as a place to live ? Did she, perhaps, return to the US after a rethink ?

What does she make of the proliferation of mosques ? Of the NHS's failings ? Of the difficulty in qualifying for legal gun ownership ? Of the MP's expenses scandal ? Of living in a country that's being interknit increasingly closely into EU dominance, courtesy of the never-ending stream of EU diktats ? Of our austerity measures, forced upon us by Leftie fiscal recklessness ?

Perhaps she's a Leftie who thinks that each of these makes England a paradise ?

Do tell .....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You haven't said what the outcome was. Did your best friend continue to prefer England as a place to live ? Did she, perhaps, return to the US after a rethink ?

What does she make of the proliferation of mosques ? Of the NHS's failings ? Of the difficulty in qualifying for legal gun ownership ? Of the MP's expenses scandal ? Of living in a country that's being interknit increasingly closely into EU dominance, courtesy of the never-ending stream of EU diktats ? Of our austerity measures, forced upon us by Leftie fiscal recklessness ?

Perhaps she's a Leftie who thinks that each of these makes England a paradise ?

Do tell .....

Her best friend, right...:laugh:
My guess is gabby made that one up....--Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

If Gabby's pal moved from Huntington Beach, CA to England, sure is a bad rap on Gabby's area one might suppose.

The weather in S. Cal is so much better than it is in England. I dunno why she says some of the things she says. Maybe it is her youth acting arrogant. Most of we older people recall when we too were pretty arrogant about life.

We got wiser so perhaps she will as well. She won't though as a Democrat. She has to bust that mold to see actual progress. I think we generally recall what Churchill said about being a liberal as a young person but growing up and becoming conservative once a person matures. If she thinks she has fully matured in all respect, wait till she lives another 30 years and looks back on her belief system. She may get smarter.

A core belief of democrats sort of goes like this.

Don't worry at all about what the country spends. The rich will be forced to knuckle down and as suckers be made to pay for what Democrats do wrong. They see the rich as sort of like a cow that must be milked. I call that being dishonest.

What Obama clearly has done is cause the public to dig in. They do not believe this country is out of the woods. They feel things can get much worse. And by studying what FDR did, it is rooted in history.

[aboutime]

Gabby has Friends? No wonder so many of us are ashamed of our country. More than One Gabby is enough to make anyone ashamed.

Gabby. Tell us your PRETEND friend's name. Here's help....4556

[Drummond]

If Gabby's pal moved from Huntington Beach, CA to England, sure is a bad rap on Gabby's area one might suppose.

The weather in S. Cal is so much better than it is in England. I dunno why she says some of the things she says. Maybe it is her youth acting arrogant. Most of we older people recall when we too were pretty arrogant about life.

We got wiser so perhaps she will as well. She won't though as a Democrat. She has to bust that mold to see actual progress. I think we generally recall what Churchill said about being a liberal as a young person but growing up and becoming conservative once a person matures. If she thinks she has fully matured in all respect, wait till she lives another 30 years and looks back on her belief system. She may get smarter.

A core belief of democrats sort of goes like this.

Don't worry at all about what the country spends. The rich will be forced to knuckle down and as suckers be made to pay for what Democrats do wrong. They see the rich as sort of like a cow that must be milked. I call that being dishonest.

What Obama clearly has done is cause the public to dig in. They do not believe this country is out of the woods. They feel things can get much worse. And by studying what FDR did, it is rooted in history.

I think she just felt motivated to take a sideswipe at her own country. As you say, the weather is pretty crummy here compared to California (we do have some decent summers, though .. sometimes ..). Maybe, to Gabby (or, ahem, 'Gabby's friend') it's finally been decided that England must be marvellous just because Lefties take it over ever so often.

... which is fine. Because, if Gabby's friend IS real, and she HAS spent several years here, I welcome an HONEST appraisal from her about life over here.

[Robert A Whit]

I think she just felt motivated to take a sideswipe at her own country. As you say, the weather is pretty crummy here compared to California (we do have some decent summers, though .. sometimes ..). Maybe, to Gabby (or, ahem, 'Gabby's friend') it's finally been decided that England must be marvellous just because Lefties take it over ever so often.

... which is fine. Because, if Gabby's friend IS real, and she HAS spent several years here, I welcome an HONEST appraisal from her about life over here.

Gabby knows how to get this forum to her pal. Let her pal back Gabby up I say.

[gabosaurus]

I have known my best friend Lauren since we were 6 years old. I am guessing Jim would love to meet her as well, since she is the opposite of me, bust wise. :cool:

She is totally apolitical, so her disgust with the American way of life has zero to do with politics or which party holds which office. She had a lot of very personal issues that influenced her decision.
Lauren was working in an assisted living home when she met (or was set up with) the son of one of her patients. He was English. They went on an extended visit to visit his relatives and she really loved his home, which is a bit west of Manchester.
They decided to get married in London and now live very close to his brother. He works in the shipping industry and makes a very good living. They have two kids. Lauren's sister moved in with them a couple of years ago and helps with their kids in addition to being a barmaid in a pub.
Both of them rely on a mix of private and public healthcare. I know she had both of her kids in a private hospital.
Lauren is now a British citizen and very pleased about it. I doubt she will ever return here.

[tailfins]

I have known my best friend Lauren since we were 6 years old. I am guessing Jim would love to meet her as well, since she is the opposite of me, bust wise. :cool:

She is totally apolitical, so her disgust with the American way of life has zero to do with politics or which party holds which office. She had a lot of very personal issues that influenced her decision.
Lauren was working in an assisted living home when she met (or was set up with) the son of one of her patients. He was English. They went on an extended visit to visit his relatives and she really loved his home, which is a bit west of Manchester.
They decided to get married in London and now live very close to his brother. He works in the shipping industry and makes a very good living. They have two kids. Lauren's sister moved in with them a couple of years ago and helps with their kids in addition to being a barmaid in a pub.
Both of them rely on a mix of private and public healthcare. I know she had both of her kids in a private hospital.
Lauren is now a British citizen and very pleased about it. I doubt she will ever return here.

It sounds like her moving to the UK had more to do with meeting the right person and less about the characteristics of the respective countries.

[gabosaurus]

It sounds like her moving to the UK had more to do with meeting the right person and less about the characteristics of the respective countries.

Actually, no. He had moved here because business was better in California than in England at the time. She was the one who requested that they move to England. So he sold his interest in a company here and went back to working with his brother.
I doubt he is making as much now, and I am guessing the taxes are worse, but they are making it work.
He told me at their wedding that he would have moved to BFE for her, so I am guessing she had the final say. :cool: