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jimnyc
02-11-2013, 07:00 PM
So who besides myself has read it in it's entirety? I was going to reply to Logroller in another thread, but thought this deserved a thread of it's own. This is the psycho being dealt with out in the LA area. I'm not afraid to place the whole thing here, as since it technically belongs to Dorner, I don't think he'll live long enough to sue me, based on his own rants anyway...


From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648


To: America

Subj: Last resort

Regarding CF# 07-004281


I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be villified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.

The question is, what would you do to clear your name?

Name;
A word or set of words by which a person, animal, place, or thing is known, addressed, or referred to.

Name Synonyms;
reputation, title, appellation, denomination, repute.

A name is more than just a noun, verb, or adjective. It's your life, your legacy, your journey, sacrifices, and everything you've worked hard for every day of your life as and adolescent, young adult and adult. Don't let anybody tarnish it when you know you’ve live up to your own set of ethics and personal ethos.

In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. Teresa Evans/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (Christopher Gettler), Evans kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. Villanueva/Gallegos), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Line”. Unfortunately, It's not JUST US, it's JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting Evans for kicking Mr. Christopher Gettler. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that Evans had kicked the suspect. I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me. What they didn’t mention was that the BOR panel made up of Capt. Phil Tingirides, Capt. Justin Eisenberg, and City Attorney Martella had a signigicant problem from the time the board was assembled. Capt. Phil Tingirides was a personal friend of Teresa Evans from when he was her supervisor at Harbor station. That is a clear conflict of interest and I made my argument for his removal early and was denied. The advocate for the LAPD BOR was Sgt. Anderson. Anderson also had a conflict of interest as she was Evans friend and former partner from Harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to Evans and it was denied.

During the BOR, the department attempted to label me unsuccessfully as a bully. They stated that I had bullied a recruit, Abraham Schefres, in the academy when in reality and unfounded disposition from the official 1.28 formal complaint investigation found that I was the one who stood up for Abraham Schefres when other recruits sang nazi hitler youth songs about burning Jewish ghettos in WWII Germany where his father was a survivor of a concentration camp. How fucking dare you attempt to label me with such a nasty vile word. I ask that all earnest journalist investigating this story ask Ofcr. Abraham Schefres about the incident when Ofcr. Burdios began singing a nazi youth song about burning jewish ghettos.

The internal affairs investigation in the academy involving Schefres was spurned by a complaint that I had initiated toward two fellow recruit/offifcers. While on a assigned patrol footbeat in Hollywood Division, Officers Hermilio Buridios IV and Marlon Magana (both current LAPD officers) decided that they would voice their personal feelings about the black community. While traveling back to the station in a 12 passenger van I heard Magana refer to another individual as a nigger. I wasn’t sure if I heard correctly as there were many conversations in the van that was compiled of at least 8 officers and he was sitting in the very rear and me in the very front. Even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise I heard Officer Magana call an indivdual a nigger again. Now that I had confirmed it, I told Magana not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, "I’ll say it when I want". Officer Burdios, a friend of his, also stated that he would say nigger when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around Burdios’ neck and squeezed. I stated to Burdios, “Don’t fucking say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana’s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately. The sad thing about this incident was that when Detective Ty from internal affairs investigated this incident only (1) officer (unknown) in the van other than myself had statements constistent with what actually happened. The other six officers (John Carey, Gary Parker, Jacob Waks, Abraham Schefres and names I have forgotten) all stated they heard nothing and saw nothing. Shame on every one of you. Shame on Detective Ty (same ethnicity as Burdios) for creating a separate 1.28 formal complaint against me (Schefres complaint) in retaliation for initiating the complaint against Burdios and Magana. Don’t retaliate against honest officers for breaking your so called blue line. I hope your son Ryan Ty, who I knew, is a better officer than you, Detective Ty.The saddest part of this ordeal was that Officer Burdios and Magana were only given 22 day suspensions and are still LAPD officers to this day. That day, the LAPD stated that it is acceptable for fellow officers to call black officers niggers to their face and you will receive a slap on the wrist. Even sadder is that during that 22 day suspension Buridios and Magana received is that the LAPPL (Los Angeles Police Protective League) paid the officers their salaries while they were suspended. When I took a two day suspension for an accidental discharge, I took my suspension and never applied for a league salary. Its called integrity.

Journalist, I want you to investigate every location I resided in growing up. Find any incidents where I was ever accused of being a bully. You won't, because it doesn't exist. It's not in my DNA. Never was. I was the only black kid in each of my elementary school classes from first grade to seventh grade in junior high and any instances where I was disciplined for fighting was in response to fellow students provoking common childhood schoolyard fights, or calling me a nigger or other derogatory racial names. I grew up in neighborhoods where blacks make up less than 1%. My first recollection of racism was in the first grade at Norwalk Christian elementary school in Norwalk, CA. A fellow student, Jim Armstrong if I can recall, called me a nigger on the playground. My response was swift and non-lethal. I struck him fast and hard with a punch an kick. He cried and reported it to a teacher. The teacher reported it to the principal. The principal swatted Jim for using a derogatory word toward me. He then for some unknown reason swatted me for striking Jim in response to him calling me a nigger. He stated as good Christians we are to turn the other cheek as Jesus did. Problem is, I'm not a fucking Christian and that old book, made of fiction and limited non-fiction, called the bible, never once stated Jesus was called a nigger. How dare you swat me for standing up for my rights for demanding that I be treated as a equal human being. That day I made a life decision that i will not tolerate racial derogatory terms spoken to me. Unfortunately I was swatted multiple times for the same exact reason up until junior high. Terminating me for telling the truth of a caucasian officer kicking a mentally ill man is disgusting. Don't ever call me a fucking bully. I want all journalist to utilize every source you have that specializes in collections for your reports. With the discovery and evidence available you will see the truth. Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That's what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name. Below is a list of locations where I resided from childhood to adulthood.

Cerritos, CA.
Pico Rivera, CA.
La Palma, CA.
Thousand Oaks, CA.
Cedar City, UT.
Pensacola, FL.
Enid, OK.
Yorba Linda, CA.
Las Vegas, NV.

During the BOR an officer named, Sgt. Hernandez, from Los Angeles Port Police testified on behalf of the LAPD. Hernandez stated for the BOR that he arrived at the location of the UOF shortly before I cuffed the suspect. He also stated that he assisted in cuffing the suspect and that's old the BOR he told me to fix my tie. All of those statements were LIES!!! Hernandez, you arrived at the UOF location up to 30 seconds after I had cuffed Mr. Gettler. All you did was help me lift the suspect to his feet as it was difficult for me to do by myself because of his heavy weight. You did not tell me to fix my tie as the BOR members and everyone else in the room know you lied because the photographic evidence from the UOF scene where Gettler’s injuries were photographed clearly shows me wearing a class B uniform on that day. A class B uniform is a short sleeved uniform blouse. A short sleeved uniform blouse for the LAPD does not have a tie included. This is not Super Troopers uniform, you jackass. Why did you feel the need to embellish and lie about your involvement in the UOF? Are you ashamed that you could not get hired on by any other department other than port police? Do you have delusions of grandeur? What you did was perjury, exactly what Evans did when she stated she did not kick Christopher Gettler.

What they failed to mention in the BOR was Teresa Evans own use of force history during her career on the LAPD. She has admitted that she has a lengthy use of force record and has been flagged several times by risk management. She has a very well known nickname, Chupacabra, which she was very proud to flaunt around the division. She found it very funny and entertaining to draw blood from suspects and arrestees. At one point she even intentionally ripped the flesh off the arm of a woman we had arrested for battery (sprayed her neighbor with a garden water hose). Knowing the woman had thin elastic skin, she performed and Indian burn to the woman’s arm after cuffing her. That woman was in her mid-70’s, a mother and grandmother, and was angry at her tenants who failed to pay rent on time. Something I can completely understand and I am sure many have wanted to do toward tenants who do not pay their rent. Teresa Evans was also demoted from a senior lead officer rank/position for performance issues. During my two months of working patrol with Teresa Evans, I found her as a woman who was very angry that she had been pulled from patrol for a short time because of a domestic violence report made by Long Beach Police Department because of an incident involving her active LAPD officer boyfriend, Dominick Fuentes, and herself. Dominick Fuentes is the same officer investigated for witness tampering. She also was visibly angry on a daily basis that she was going to have to file for bankruptcy because her ex-husband, a former LAPD officer and not Dominick Fuentes, who had left the department, state, and was nowhere to be found had left her with a tax bill and debt that she was unable to pay because of a lack of financial means. Evans, you are a POS and you lied right to the BOR panel when Randy Quan asked you if you kicked Christopher Gettler. You destroyed my life and name because of your actions. Time is up. The time is now to confess to Chief Beck.

I ask that all journalist investigating this story submit request for FOIA with the LAPD to gain access to the BOR transcripts which occurred from 10/08 to 2/09. There, you will see that a video was played for the BOR members of Mr. Christopher Gettler who suffers from Schizophrenia and Dementia stating that he was kicked by a female officer. That video evidence supports my claim that Evans kicked him twice in the upper body and once in the face. I would like all journalist to also request copies of all reports that I had written while employed by LAPD. Whether in the academy, or during my 3 years as a police officer. There are DR#’s attached to each report (investigative report) that I have ever written so they all exist. A FOIA request will most likely be needed to access these at Parker center or at the Personnel/Records. Judge my writin/grammar skills for yourself. The department attempted to paint me as an officer who could not write reports. Even though Sgt. Joel Sydanmaa a training officer who trained me stated for the BOR panel that there was nothing wrong with my report writing and that I was better than all rookie/probationer officers he has ever trained. Officer David Drew stated the same but refused to testify as he did not want to “get involved” with the BOR’s. Contact Sgt. Donald Deming ,(now a Captain at Lompoc PD), Sgt. Thaddeus Faulk, and Sgt. Ed Clark. All will state that my report writing was impeccable. I will tell you this, I always type my reports because I have messy handwriting/penmanship. I never had a single kickback/redlined report at Southwest division and Sgt. Faulk and Sgt. Clark can testify to that. I never received an UNSATISFACTORY on any day or week. The same can be said within the U.S. Naval Reserves. All commanders will state that my report writing was always clear, concise, and impeccable. Even search my AAR (after action reports),chits, Memorandum’s, IIR’s (Intelligence Information Reports) which were written in the Navy. All were pristine.

I had worked patrol at LAPD's Harbor Division from 2/06 until 7/06 when I was involuntarily recalled back to active duty (US Navy) for a 12 month mobilization/deployment to Centcom in support of OIF/OEF. I returned back to LAPD's Harbor division on 7/07 and immediately returned to patrol. I worked at Harbor division until 11/07 where I then transferred to Southwest Division. I worked At Southwest division until 6/25/08 when I was relieved of duty.

I have exhausted all available means at obtaining my name back. I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now lead to deadly consequences. The LAPD’s actions have cost me my law enforcement career that began on 2/7/05 and ended on 1/2/09. They cost me my Naval career which started on 4/02 and ends on 2/13. I had a TS/SCI clearance(Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information clearance) up until shortly after my termination with LAPD. This is the highest clearance a service member can attain other than a Yankee White TS/SCI which is only granted for those working with and around the President/Vice President of the United States. I lost my position as a Commanding Officer of a Naval Security Forces reserve unit at NAS Fallon because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD. In essence, I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and new I was INNOCENT!!! Capt Phil Tingirides, Justin Eisenberg, Martella, Randy Quan, and Sgt. Anderson all new I was innocent but decided to terminate me so they could continue Ofcr. Teresa Evans career. I know about the meeting between all of you where Evans attorney, Rico, confessed that she kicked Christopher Gettler (excessive force). Your day has come.

I'm not an aspiring rapper, I'm not a gang member, I'm not a dope dealer, I don't have multiple babies momma's. I am an American by choice, I am a son, I am a brother, I am a military service member, I am a man who has lost complete faith in the system, when the system betrayed, slandered, and libeled me. I lived a good life and though not a religious man I always stuck to my own personal code of ethics, ethos and always stuck to my shoreline and true North. I didn't need the US Navy to instill Honor, Courage, and Commitment in me but I thank them for re-enforcing it. It's in my DNA.

Luckily I don't have to live everyday like most of you. Concerned if the misconduct you were apart of is going to be discovered. Looking over your shoulder, scurrying at every phone call from internal affairs or from the Captains office wondering if that is the day PSB comes after you for the suspects you struck when they were cuffed months/years ago or that $500 you pocketed from the narcotics dealer, or when the other guys on your watch beat a transient nearly to death and you never reported the UOF to the supervisor. No, I don't have that concern, I stood up for what was right but unfortunately have dealt with the reprocussions of doing the right thing and now losing my name and everything I ever stood for. You fuckers knew Evans was guilty of kicking (excessive force) Gettler and you did nothing but get rid of what you saw as the problem, the whistleblower. Gettler himself stated on video tape ( provided for the BOR and in transcripts) he was kicked and even his father stated that his son said he was kicked by Evans when he was released from custody. The video was played for the entire BOR to hear. Tingirides, Eisenberg, and Martella all heard it. You're going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!

Look what you did to Sgt. Gavin (now lieutenant) when he exposed the truth of your lying, racism, and PSB cover-ups to frame and convict an innocent man. You can not police yourselves and the consent decree was unsuccessful. Sgt. Gavin, I met you on the range several times as a recruit and as an officer. You’re a good man and I saw it in your eyes an actions.

Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.

From 2/05 to 1/09 I saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others as a police officer in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, it wasn't in the streets of LA. It was in the confounds of LAPD police stations and shops (cruisers). The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it's the police officers.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. How ironic that you utilize a fixed glass structure as your command HQ. You use as a luminous building to symbolize that you are transparent, have nothing to hide, or suppress when in essence, concealing, omitting, and obscuring is your forte.

Chief Beck, this is when you need to have that come to Jesus talk with Sgt. Teresa Evans and everyone else who was involved in the conspiracy to have me terminated for doing the right thing. you also need to speak with her attorney, Rico, and his conversation with the BOR members and her confession of guilt in kicking Mr. Gettler. I'll be waiting for a PUBLIC response at a press conference. When the truth comes out, the killing stops.

Why didn't you charge me with filing a false police report when I came forward stating that Evans kicked Mr. Christopher Gettler? You file criminal charges against every other officer who is accused and terminated for filing a false police report. You didn't because you knew I was innocent and a criminal court would find me innocent and expose your department for suppressing the truth and retaliation, that's why.

The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! I will not accept any type of currency/goods in exchange for the attacks to stop, nor do i want it. I want my name back, period. There is no negotiation. I am not the state department who states they do not negotiate with terrorist, because anybody with a Secret or TS/SCI has seen IIR's on SIPR and knows that the US state department always negotiates by using CF countries or independent sovereign/neutral country to mediate and compromising.

This department has not changed from the Daryl Gates and Mark Fuhrman days. Those officers are still employed and have all promoted to Command staff and supervisory positions. I will correct this error. Are you aware that an officer (a rookie/probationer at the time) seen on the Rodney King videotape striking Mr. King multiple times with a baton on 3/3/91 is still employed by the LAPD and is now a Captain on the police department? Captain Rolando Solano is now the commanding officer of a LAPD police station (West LA division). As a commanding officer, he is now responsible for over 200 officers. Do you trust him to enforce department policy and investigate use of force investigations on arrestees by his officers? Are you aware Evans has since promoted to Sergeant after kicking Mr. Gettler in the face. Oh, you Violated a citizens civil rights? We will promote you. Same as LAPD did with the the officers from Metro involved in the May Day melee at MacArthur Park. They promoted them to Sergeant (a supervisor role).

No one is saying you can't be prejudiced or a bigot. We are all human and hold prejudices. If you state that you don't have prejudices, your lying! But, when you act on it and victimize innocent citizens and fellow innocen officers, than that is a concern.

For you officers who do the job in the name of JUSTICE, those of you who lost honest officers to this event, look at the name of those on the BOR and the investigating officers from PSB and Evans and ask them, how come you couldn't tell the truth? Why did you terminate an honest officer and cover for a dishonest officer who victimized a mentally ill citizen.

Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant race of a species and they inadvertently take kindness for weakness from another individual. You chose wrong.

Terminating officers because they expose a culture of lying, racism (from the academy), and excessive use of force will immediately change. PSB can not police their own and that has been proven. The blue line will forever be severed and a cultural change will be implanted. You have awoken a sleeping giant.

I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.

Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.

Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1's) and novice P-2’s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.

Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. I'm not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.

Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.

Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, " I......don't like conflict". You are a high value target as well.

Those of you who "go along to get along" have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.

Citizens/non-combatants, do not render medical aid to downed officers/enemy combatants. They would not do the same for you. They will let you bleed out just so they can brag to other officers that they had a 187 caper the other day and can’t wait to accrue the overtime in future court subpoenas. As they always say, "that's the paramedics job...not mine". Let the balance of loss of life take place. Sometimes a reset needs to occur.

It is endless the amount of times per week officers arrest an individual, label him a suspect-arrestee-defendant and then before arraignment or trial realize that he is innocent based on evidence. You know what they say when they realize an innocent man just had his life turned upside down?. "I guess he should have stayed at home that day he was discovered walking down the street and matching the suspects description. Oh well, he appeared to be a dirtbag anyways". Meanwhile the falsely accused is left to pick up his life, get a new, family, friends, and sense of self worth.

Don't honor these fallen officers/dirtbags. When your family members die, they just see you as extra overtime at a crime scene and at a perimeter. Why would you value their lives when they clearly don't value yours or your family members lives? I've heard many officers who state they see dead victims as ATV's, Waverunners, RV’s and new clothes for their kids. Why would you shed a tear for them when they in return crack a smile for your loss because of the impending extra money they will receive in their next paycheck for sitting at your loved ones crime scene of 6 hours because of the overtime they will accrue. They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers from other divisions. This isn't just the 20 something year old officers, this is the 50 year old officers with significant time on the job as well who participate.

You allow an officer, Thaniya Sungruenyos, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. Zolezzi shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge’s face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. Zolezzi provided the evidence and you still do nothing.

How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, "based on my experience and training".

No one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything I've ever was. As a young police explorer I found my calling in life. But, As a young police officer I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch. It is the officer who was hired on to the department (pre-2000) before polygraphs were standard for all new hires and an substantial vetting in a backround investigation.

To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf's. Your parent will have a name and plaque on the fallen officers memorial in D.C. But, In all honesty, your parents name will be a reminder to other officers to maintain the oath they swore and to stay along the shoreline that has guided them from childhood to that of a local, state, or federal law enforcement officer.

Bratton, Beck, Hayes, Tingirides, Eisenberg, Martella, Quan, Evans, Hernandez, Villanueva/Gallegos, and Anderson. Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over.
Suppressing the truth will leave to deadly consequences for you and your family. There will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat, and sleep. I will utilize ISR at your home, workplace, and all locations in between. I will utilize OSINT to discover your residences, spouses workplaces, and children's schools. IMINT to coordinate and plan attacks on your fixed locations. Its amazing whats on NIPR. HUMINT will be utilized to collect personal schedules of targets. I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours. Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.

Never allow a LAPPL union attorney to be a retired LAPD Captain,(Quan). He doesn't work for you, your interest, or your name. He works for the department, period. His job is to protect the department from civil lawsuits being filed and their best interest which is the almighty dollar. His loyalty is to the department, not his client. Even when he knowingly knows your innocent and the BOR also knows your innocent after Christopher Gettler stated on videotape that he was kicked and Evans attorney confessed to the BOR off the record that she kicked Gettler.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants-TJ. This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%. This is toward the LAPD who can not monitor itself. The consent decree should not have been lifted, ever.

I know your TTP's, (techniques, tactics, and procedures). Any threat assessments you you generate will be useless. This is simple, I know your TTP's and PPR's. I will mitigate any of your attempts at preservation. ORM is my friend. I will mitigate all risks, threats and hazards. I assure you that Incident Command Posts will be target rich environments. KMA-367 license plate frames are great target indicators and make target selection even easier.

I will conduct DA operations to destroy, exploit and seize designated targets. If unsuccessful or unable to meet objectives in these initial small scale offensive actions, I will reassess my BDA and re-attack until objectives are met. I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. Just alike AAF's, ACM's, and AIF's, you can not prevail against an enemy combatant who has no fear of death. An enemy who embraces death is a lose, lose situation for their enemy combatants.

Hopefully you analyst have done your homework. You are aware that I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualifications in every unit I’ve been in. I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I've been given.

Do you know why we are unsuccessful in asymmetrical and guerrilla warfare in CENTCOM theatre of operations? I’ll tell you. It's not the inefficiency of our combatant commanders, planning, readiness or training of troops. Much like the Vietnam war, ACM, AAF, foreign fighters, Jihadist, and JAM have nothing to lose. They embrace death as it is a way of life. I simply don't fear it. I am the walking exigent circumstance you created.

The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD's and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba'ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50's so your APC are defunct and futile.

You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour.
Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP's. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.

Whatever pre-planned responses you have established for a scenario like me, shelve it. Whatever contingency plan you have, shelve it. Whatever tertiary plan you've created, shelve it. I am a walking exigent circumstance with no OFF or reset button. JRIC, DOJ, LASD, FBI and other local LE can’t assist and should not involve themselves in a matter that does not concern them. For all other agencies, do not involve yourself in this capture or recovery of me. Look at the big picture of the situation. They (LAPD) created the situation. I will harm no outside agency unless it is a deadly force/IDOL situation. With today's budgeting and fiscal mess, you guys can not afford lose several officers to IOD or KIA/EOW. Plus, other officers should not have to take on the additional duties and responsibilities of dead officers. Think about their families, outside agencies, Chiefs/Directors.

Outside agencies and individual officers on patrol. If you recognize my vehicle, and confirm it is my vehicle thru a dmv/want warrant check. It behoves you to respond to dispatch that your query was for information purposes only. If you proceed with a traffic stop or attempt to notify other officers of my location or for backup you will not live to see the medal of valor you were hoping to receive for your actions. Think before you attempt to intervene. You will not survive. Your family will receive that medal of valor posthumously. It will gather dust on the fireplace mantel for years. Then one day, it will go in a shoe box with other memories. Your mother will lose a son or daughter. Your significant other will be left alone, but they will find someone else to fill your void in the future and make them just as happy. Your children, if you have them, will call someone else mommy or daddy. Don't be selfish. Your vest is only a level II or IIIA, think about it.

No amount of IMINT, MASINT, and ELINT assist you in capturing me. I am off the grid. You better use your feet, tongue and every available DOD/ NON-DOD HUMINT agency, contractor to find me. I know your route to and from home, and your division. I know your significant others routine, your children's best friends and recess. I know Your Sancha's gym hours and routine. I assure you that the casualty rate will be high. Because of that, no one will remember your name. You will merely be a DR# and "that guy" who was KIA/EOW or long term IOD/light duty in the kit room. This is exactly why "station 500" was created. Unfortunately, orphanages will be making a comeback in the 21st century.

If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives. Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor? Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle? This is the same small arms weapons system utilized in eradicating Al Qaeda, Taliban, and every enemy combatant since the Vietnam war. Don’t give me that crap that its not a select fire or full auto rifle like the DoD uses. That’s bullshit because troops who carry the M-4/M-16 weapon system for combat ops outside the wire rarely utilize the select fire function when in contact with enemy combatants. The use of select fire probably isn’t even 1% in combat. So in essence, the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle is the same as the M-4/M-16. These do not need to be purchased as easily as walking to your local Walmart or striking the enter key on your keyboard to "add to cart". All the firearms utilized in my activities are registered to me and were legally purchased at gun stores and private party transfers. All concealable weapons (pistols) were also legally register in my name at police stations or FFL's. Unfortunately, are you aware that I obtained class III weapons (suppressors) without a background check thru NICS or DROS completely LEGALLY several times? I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally. Granted, I am not a felon, nor have a DV misdemeanor conviction or active TRO against me on a NCIC file. I can buy any firearm I want, but should I be able to purchase these class III weapons (SBR's, and suppressors) without a background check and just a $10 notary signature on a quicken will maker program? The answer is NO. I'm not even a resident of the state i purchased them in. Lock n Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III weapons with just a notarized trust, military ID. Shame on you, Lock n Load. NFA and ATF need new laws and policies that do not allow loopholes such as this. In the end, I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a fucking silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

Mia Farrow said it best. "Gun control is no longer debatable, it's not a conversation, its a moral mandate."

Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family. That has become cliche' and meaningless. Its time for action. Let this be your legacy that you bestow to America. Do not be swayed by obstacles, antagaonist, and naysayers. Remember the innocent children at Austin, Kent, Stockton, Fullerton, San Diego, Iowa City, Jonesboro, Columbine, Nickel Mines, Blacksburg, Springfield, Red Lake, Chardon, Aurora, and Newtown. Make sure this never happens again!!!

In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook massacre.

You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad. Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. A woman whose professional and educational accomplishments are second to none when compared to recent First wives. You call his supporters, whether black, brown, yellow, or white, leeches, FSA, welfare recipients, and ni$&er lovers. You say this openly without any discretion. Before you start with your argument that you believe I would vote for Obama because he has the same skin color as me, fuck you. I didn’t vote in this last election as my choice of candidate, John Huntsman, didn’t win the primary candidacy for his party. Mr. President, I haven’t agreed with all of your decisions but of course I haven’t agreed with all of your predecessors decisions. I think you’ve done a hell of a job with what you have been dealt and how you have managed it. I shed a tear the night you were initially elected President in 2008. I never thought that day would occur. A black man elected president in the U.S. in my lifetime. I cracked a smiled when you were re-elected in 2012 because I really didn't think you were going to pull that one off. Romney, stop being a sore loser. You could've exited graciously and still contributed significantly to public service, not now. Mr. President, get back to work. Many want to see you fail as they have stated so many times previously. Unfortunately, if you fail, the U.S. fails but your opponents do not concern themselves about the big picture. Do not forget your commitment to transparency in your administration. Sometimes I believe your administration forgets that. America, you will realize today and tomorrow that this world is made up of all human beings who have the same general needs and wants in life for themselves, their kin, community, and state. That is the freedom to LIVE and LOVE. They may eat different foods, enjoy different music, have different dialects, or speak a second language, but in essence are no different from you and I. This is America. We are not a perfect sovereign country as we have our own flaws but we are the closest that will ever exist.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time an authoritative figure has lied on me.

Mr. Freid, assistant principal, Cypress HS. Remember when you lied to my mother and the police officer in your office about stating that you never stated to me in a private conversation that you know the theft suspect (Miranda) stole my watch. Let me refresh your memory. A physical education teachers assistant, a student, stole the list of combination codes to peoples lockers, from the P.E. teacher. That student then opened many of those lockers and stole students personal property. My watch was taken in that multi theft an I reported it to you. A week later you discovered that the theft suspect was Paul Miranda, a student. You stated to me in private that you know for a fact he stole my property. When I attempted to retrieve my property from the suspect. Campus security was called and you lied and stated that you never stated to me that you "know he stole my watch". You sat there and lied to their faces right in front of me. You said it with such a deliberate, stern face. I never forgot that and was not surprised when 13 years later I was lied on again in the BOR by Teresa Evans. maybe you can confess to your family at the very least in the private of your own home. After that, contact my mother and apologize for lying to her in 1996.

If possible, I want my brain preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individual's brain. Since 6/26/08 when I was relieved of duty and 1/2/09 when I was terminated I have been afflicted with severe depression. I've had two CT scans during my lifetime that are in my medical record at Kaiser Permanente. Both are from concussions resulting from playing football. The first one was in high school, 10/96. The second was in college and occurred in 10/99. Both were conducted at Kaiser Permanente hospitals in LA/Orange county. These two CT scans should give a good baseline for my brain activity before severe depression began in late 2008.

Sure, many of you "law enforcement experts and specialist" will state, "in all my years this is the worst........", Stop!!! That’s not important. Ask yourselves what would cause somebody to take these drastic measures like I did. That's what is important.

To my friends listed below, I wish we could have grown old together and spent more time together. When you reminisce of our friendship and experiences, think of that and that only. Do not dwell on my recent actions the last few days. This was a necessary evil that had to be executed in order for me to obtain my NAME back. The only thing that changes policy and garners attention is death.

Luis Sanchez, greatest friend, Marine officer, aviator, and an even better father and husband. I Couldn't have had a better big brother than you. Your spoken wisdom was always retained by me, you old salty Mustang. You sternly told me that no matter what I accomplish I will always be a ni#%er in many individuals eyes. At the time, I did not comprehend your words. I do now. I never forgot the quote you state below. I love you bro.

I never saw a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever feeling sorry for itself. –D.H. Lawrence

Jason Valadao, greatest friend, Naval officer, aviator, Great Father, husband, doctor, and even better human being. I always strived to live my life parallel to your similar values and personal disciplines. Danika is lucky to have found a man like yourself, and you are fortunate to have married an irrefutable imperfect woman. Always focus on your IMMEDIATE family as they are the ones who have loved you unconditionally and always been their to support you in difficult times. I always lived my life as WWJD (what would Jason do). Danika, take care of this guy. Jason, I’m sorry I missed your wedding and you had to find another best man. I’m sorry my predicament with the department stopped me from watching you and Danika get married and arguing with you about issues that were insignificant when I was really angry at the LAPD for what they did to me. I’m deeply sorry and I love you guys.

James Usera, great friend, attorney, father, husband, and the most cynical/blatant/politically incorrect friend a man can have. Best quality about you in college and now is that you never sugar coated the truth. I will miss our political discussions that always turned argumentative. Thanks for introducing me to outdoor sports like fishing, hunting, mudding, and also respect for the land and resources. Us city boys don’t get out much like you Alaskans. You even introduced me to PBR. A beer, that when you’re a poor college student is completely acceptable to get buzzed off of. I’m sorry I’ll never get to go on that moose and bear hunt with you. I love you bro.

Kinta Smith, greatest friend, accountant, entrepreneur, and even better Human being. You are probably the most well balanced person I've ever met and the most driven for success. In college, and after graduation, I was inspired by your personal drive. Never settle. When you make your first million, promise me you won’t forget to enjoy it a bit. I know your first reaction will be to invest it somewhere else. Spend a little, just a little. I love you bro.

Jason Young, great friend, entrepeneur, husband and father. You showed me the importance of fatherhood and friendship. Love you bro.

Suzie Clark Cunningham, Kassandra Harrell, Melinda Yates, Cal Jackson, Ryan Smith, The Rebelledos, The Banks, Ben Bines, J. Work, Bill O’neill, Jeremy Fletcher, and Rob Harriston.

You guys were all important and very special to me. Don’t be angry with me. I missed some of your weddings and unfortunately, some of your funerals. This was a necessary evil.

Some say it is my fault that I was terminated. Yes, DDX, I remember you stating this to me in an angry fit. You said that I should have kept my mouth shut about another officer’s misconduct. Maybe you were right. But I'm not built like others, it's not in my DNA and my history has always shown that. When you view the video of the suspect stating he was kicked by Evans, maybe you will see that I was a decent person after all. I told the truth. It still hurt that you abandoned me in my time of need. I hope you’re happy, that’s all I ever wanted for you.

Sgt. Leonard Perez, you meant well but you should have known with your time on the job that the department would attempt to protect someone like Evans because of her time on the job, personal friendships, and ethicity. I’m not angry with you, but you should have known as an IA investigator.

Sgt Maggie Faust LPPD, Ofcr John Thomas LPPD (ret), and Chief Eric Nunez LPPD, your guidance and mentoring as a young police explorer was second to none and invaluable as a young man, police officer, and naval officer. Sgt Faust, you forewarned me long ago about joining LAPD as they were "different" and operated differently from other modern law enforcement agencies. I now know it was your humbleness and respect for all who wear the badge and protect their communities that you didn't just express what you wanted to say, that they lack values and basic ethics as law enforcement officers. Chief Nunez, your fucking awesome. Thanks for the long talks over the years when I was an explorer, college student, Naval officer, and Police officer. Your are a great leader and carry your heart on your sleeve. Your son will be a great Air Force officer with the upringing you provided. John, what can I say? Your just an awesome person and my first exposure to what law enforcement was really about was on our ride alongs. Your realistic approach and empathetic approach to treating all people as humans first is something I carried with me daily. Thank you, every one of you.

Dr. Funahashi, thank you for the superb surgery you performed on my knee on 7/98 in Irvine, CA. I never had the opportunity to thank you for allowing me to live a life free of knee joint pain. Thank you.

CM1 Bissett (Ret.), I learned more from you about leadership than most of my own commanders. You lived by a strict ethos of get it done, and get it done right. I wanted to attend your retirement, I really did. But because of my predicament I was unable to. Hope you and Ritchie are still together. I’ve always held you in high regard.

Sgt Maj. Kenneth "Rock" Rocquemore USMC, Thank you for the intense instruction and mentorship and time spent forging me into a never quit officer. You were challenging as a DI. You made sure the vicious and intense personality I possess was discovered. On a lighter note....Don't feel humbled you never broke me. I made it a personal goal to never give up years before. The Corp is lucky to have you at the front. Your leadership is essential and needed for all marines, especially staff NCO's and mentorship and advisement to company grade officers. You are the epitome of a US marine and never forget that.

I thank my friends for the awesome shared experiences. I thank the unnamed women I dated over my lifetime for the great and sometimes not so great sex.

It’s kind of sad I won't be around to view and enjoy The Hangover III. What an awesome trilogy. Todd Phillips, don't make anymore Hangovers after the third, takes away the originality of its foundation. World War Z looks good and The Walking Dead season 3 (second half) looked intriguing. Damn, gonna miss shark week.

Mr. Vice President, do your due diligence when formulating a concise and permanent national AWB plan. Future generations of Americans depend on your plan and advisement to the president. I’ve always been a fan of yours and consider you one of the few genuine and charismatic politicians. Damn, sounds like an oxymoron calling you an honest politician. It’s the truth.

Hillary Clinton. You'll make one hell of a president in 2016. Much like your husband, Bill, you will be one of the greatest. Look at Castro in San Antonio as a running mate or possible secretary of state. He's (good people) and I have faith and confidence in him. Look after Bill. He was always my favorite President. Chelsea grew up to be one hell of an attractive woman. No disrespect to her husband.

Gov. Chris Christie. What can I say? You’re the only person I would like to see in the White House in 2016 other than Hillary. You're America's no shit taking uncle. Do one thing for your wife, kids, and supporters. Start walking at night and eat a little less, not a lot less, just a little. We want to see you around for a long time. Your leadership is greatly needed.

Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you're a vile and inhumane piece of shit. You never even showed 30 seconds of empathy for the children, teachers, and families of Sandy Hook. You deflected any type of blame/responsibility and directed it toward the influence of movies and the media. You are a failure of a human being. May all of your immediate and distant family die horrific deaths in front of you.

Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite's lead. I hold many of you in the same regard as Tom Brokaw and the late Peter Jennings. Cooper, stop nagging and berating your guest, they're your (guest). Mr. Scarborough, we met at McGuire’s pub in P-cola in 2002 when I was stationed there. It was an honor conversing with you about politics, family, and life.

Willie Geist, you’re a talented and charismatic journalist. Stop with all the talk show shenanigans and get back to your core of reporting. Your future is brighter than most.

Revoke the citizenship of Fareed Zakaria and deport him. I've never heard a positive word about America or its interest from his mouth, ever. On the same day, give Piers Morgan an indefinite resident alien and Visa card. Mr. Morgan, the problem that many American gun owners have with you and your continuous discussion of gun control is that you are not an American citizen and have an accent that is distinct and clarifies that you are a foreigner. I want you to know that I agree with you 100% on enacting stricter firearm laws but you must understand that your critics will always have in the back of their mind that you are native to a country that we won our sovereignty from while using firearms as a last resort in defense and you come from a country that has no legal private ownership of firearms. That is disheartening to American gun owners and rightfully so.

The honorable President George H.W. Bush, they never give you enough credit for your successful Presidency. You were always one of my favorite Presidents (2nd favorite). I hope your health improves greatly. You are the epitome of an American and service to country.

General Petraeus, you made a mistake that the majority of men make once, twice, or unfortunately many times in a lifetime. You are human. You thought with your penis. It's okay.I personally believe you should have never resigned and told your critics to shove it. You only answer to two people regarding the affair, your wife and children, period. I hope you return to government service to your country as it is visibly in your DNA.

General Colin Powell, your book “My American Journey” solidified my decision to join the military after college. I had always intended to serve, but your book and journey motivated me. You are an inspiration to all Americans and influenced me greatly.

To all SEA's (senior enlisted advisers), you are just as important if not a greater viability to large and small commands. It's time you take a more active role in leading your enlisted and advising officers. These are not your twilight years or time to relax. You can either strengthen the tip of the spear, or make it brittle. You decide.

Pat Harvey, I’ve always thought you carried yourself professionally and personally the way a strong black woman should. Your articulation and speech is second to none. You are the epitome of a journalist/anchor. You are America.

Ellen Degeneres, continue your excellent contribution to entertaining America and bringing the human factor to entertainment. You changed the perception of your gay community and how we as Americans view the LGBT community. I congratulate you on your success and opening my eyes as a young adult, and my generation to the fact that you are know different from us other than who you choose to love. Oh, and you Prop 8 supporters, why the fuck do you care who your neighbor marries. Hypocritical pieces of shit.

Westboro Baptist Church, may you all burn slowly in a fire, not from smoke inhalation, but from the flames and only the flames.

Tebow, I really wanted to see you take charge of an offense again and the game. You are not a good QB by todays standards, but you are a great football player who knows how to lead a team and WIN. You will be "Tebowing" when you reach your next team. I have faith in you. Get out of that circus they call the Jets and away from the reality TV star, Rex Ryan, and Mark Rapist Sanchez.

Christopher Walz, you impressed me in Inglorious Basterds. After viewing Django Unchained, I was sold. I have come to the conclusion that you are well on your way to becoming one of the greats if not already and show glimpses of Daniel Day Lewis and Morgan Freeman-esque type qualities of greatness. Trust me when I say that you will be one of the greatest ever.

Jennifer Beals, Serena Williams, Grae Drake, Lisa Nicole-Carson, Diana Taurasi, N’bushe Wright, Brenda Villa, Kate Winslet, Ashley Graham, Erika Christensen, Gabrielle Union, Isabella Soprano, Zain Verjee, Tamron Hall, Gina Carano, America Ferrara, Giana Michaels, Nene, Natalie Portman, Queen Latifah, Michelle Rodriguez, Anjelah Johnson, Kelly Clarkson, Nora Jones, Laura Prepon, Margaret Cho, and Rutina Wesley, you are THE MOST beautiful women on this planet, period. Never settle, professionally or personally.

Dave Brubeck's "Take Five" is the greatest piece of music ever, period. Hanz Zimmer, William Bell, Eric Clapton, BB King, Bob Marley, Sam Cooke, Metallica, Rob Zombie, Nora Jones, Marvin Gaye, Jay-Z, and the King (Louis Armstrong) are musical prodigies.

Jeffrey Toobin and David Gergen, you are political geniuses and modern scholars. Hopefully Toobin is nominated for the Supreme Court and implements some damn common sense and reasoning instead of partisan bickering. But in true Toobin fashion, we all know he would not accept the nomination.

John and Ken from KFI, never mute your facts and personal opinions. You are one of the few media personalities who speak the truth, even when the truth is not popular. I will miss listening to your discussions.

Bill Handel, your effin awesome. For years I enjoyed your show.

Anthony Bourdain, you're a modern renaissance man who epitomizes the saying "too cool for school".

Larry David, Kevin Hart, the late Patrice Oneal, Lisa Lampanelli, Chris Rock, Jerry Seinfeld, Louis CK, Dave Chapelle, Jon Stewart, Wanda Sykes, Dennis Miller, and Jeff Ross are pure geniuses. I’m a big fan of all of your work. As a child my mom caught me watching Def Jam comedy at midnight when I should have been asleep. Instead of scolding me, the next night she let me stay up late and watch George Carlin, Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor comedy specials with her for hours. My sides were sore for days.

Larry David, I agree. 72-82 degrees is way to hot in a residence. 68 degrees is perfect.

Cyclist, I have no problem sharing the road with you. But, at least go the fucking speed limit posted or get off the road!!! That is a feasible request. Livestrong you fraudulent assholes.

Cardinal Mahoney, you are in essence a predator yourself as you enabled your subordinates to molest multiple children in the church over many decades. May you die a long and slow painful death.

If you continuously followed me while I was walking at dusk/night I would confront you as well. Too bad Trayvon didn't smash your skull completely open, Zim. While Trayvon's body erodes to bones 6 feet under, Zimmerman has put on no less than 40 pounds while out on bail. Zimmerman was arrested for battery on a Peace officer and avoided jail/prison because he completed a diversion program. Thats a history of being an asshole. Zimmerman couldn't get hired by a LE agency because of poor credit/and a history of violence/restraining orders with women. So what does he do? Designate himself, neighborhood watch captain and make complaints to his city council about the horrible work ethic and laziness of the officers patrolling his neighborhood. Good one Zim. How classy that your father attempts to use his veterans status "disabled veteran" during your bail hearing but doesn't state what his disability percentage is. Prior service personnel know it can be 5% disability to 100%. You and your attorneys always avoid mentioning your fathers occupation as a magistrate/judge because I'm sure he's utilized his position to get you out of way more jams then the public has discovered and that your family is not indigent. Oh, tell your wife to stop perjuring herself in court.

KCCO

Anonymous, you are hated, vilified, and considered an enemy to the state. I personally view you as a culture and a necessity that brings truth to a cloaked world. Forge ahead!

Charlie Sheen, you're effin awesome.

My opinion on women in combat MOS', Designators, Rates, and AFSC's. I wish all of you who attempt to pursue combat occupational roles the greatest success in completing, graduating, and qualifying in their respective schools/courses. Many want to see you fail. Remember, everyone of you is a pioneer. There was a time when they didn't allow blacks to fight the good fight. This is your civil rights. Don't quit!!!

It's time to allow gay service member's spouses to utilize the same benefits that all heterosexual dependents are eligible for. Medical, Dental, Tricare, Deers, SGLI, BX, Commissary, Milstar, MWR, etc. Flag officers, lets be honest. You can't really give a valid argument to as why gays shouldn't be eligible as every month a new state enacts laws that allow same sex marriage.

LGBT community and supporters, the same way you have the right to voice your opinion on acceptance of gay marriage, Chick Fil-A has a right to voice their beliefs as well. That's what makes America so great. Freedom of expression. Don't be assholes and boycott/degrade their business and customers who patronize the locations. They make some damn good chicken! Vandalizing (graffiti) their locations does not help any cause.

Mr. Bill Cosby, you are a reasonable and talented man who has spoken the truth of the cultural anomalies within the black communities that need to change now. The black communities' resentment toward you is because they don't like hearing the truth or having their clear and evident dirty laundry aired to the nation. The problem is, the country is not blind nor dumb. They believe we are animals. Do not mute your unvarnished truthful speech or moral compass. Blacks must strive for more in life than bling, hoes, and cars. The current culture is an epidemic that leaves them with no discernible future. They're suffocating and don't even know it. MLK Jr. Would be mortified at what he worked so hard for in our acceptance as equal beings and how unfortunately we stopped progressing and began digressing. Chicago's youth violence is a prime example of how our black communities values have declined. We can not address this nation's intolerant issues until we address our own communities morality issues first. Accountability. We need to hold ou

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-11-2013, 07:31 PM
Just shoot the dumb shit down and be done with it. Who cares what the bastard says??
He starts murdering people and now suddenly he gets a nationwide audience to spit his crap out to.
How much will this attention give rise and cause to others in the future to take the same path??
Find him , shoot his sorry ass. He is no patriot, just a vengeful asshat that deserves a hot piece of lead delivered dead on target for max effect IMHO.-Tyr

aboutime
02-11-2013, 08:37 PM
Just shoot the dumb shit down and be done with it. Who cares what the bastard says??
He starts murdering people and now suddenly he gets a nationwide audience to spit his crap out to.
How much will this attention give rise and cause to others in the future to take the same path??
Find him , shoot his sorry ass. He is no patriot, just a vengeful asshat that deserves a hot piece of lead delivered dead on target for max effect IMHO.-Tyr


Tyr. Maybe Obama and the Democrats will prove how much they SUPPORT this guy, and invite him to sit in the audience at the STATE OF THE DISUNION speech.

Hell. I wouldn't put it past Obama to have this known IDIOT sit next to Mrs. Obama...and be all Huggy, and Kissy too!

logroller
02-12-2013, 02:44 AM
Just shoot the dumb shit down and be done with it. Who cares what the bastard says??
He starts murdering people and now suddenly he gets a nationwide audience to spit his crap out to.
How much will this attention give rise and cause to others in the future to take the same path??
Find him , shoot his sorry ass. He is no patriot, just a vengeful asshat that deserves a hot piece of lead delivered dead on target for max effect IMHO.-Tyr
what if his claims have merit; doesn't that concern you?
How much attention would have been afforded his claims against the LAPD had he not started killing?
He laid out his reasons, took his stand-- agree or disagree with his motives and methods, but he fights for what he believes necessary to put things right. He'll be judged by whether change happens; his demise is inevitable.

revelarts
02-12-2013, 07:08 AM
Tyr. Maybe Obama and the Democrats will prove how much they SUPPORT this guy, and invite him to sit in the audience at the STATE OF THE DISUNION speech.

Hell. I wouldn't put it past Obama to have this known IDIOT sit next to Mrs. Obama...and be all Huggy, and Kissy too!

Donner supports the democrats but he's shooting police, that is, at the STATE. The Left luuuvs the state. Only the state can save us and Only the state is allowed to shoot people, Donner is NOT what they want.
Obama would drone strike him if he could find him or put him in a cell next to the whistle blower Bradley Manning for rating out the LAPDs "policies and tacits".

He's not just obeying and keep his mouth shut like a good soldier should.

The guy's has gone way off the deep end but the events that he lays out in his letter should be investigated.

There's a lesson here for the war on terror. IF the events and habits of the LAPD this guy presents are true, He's not the Only one who "may go crazy" and decide to kill police. Of course we don't condone the reaction, BUT it is a RE-ACTION to something. The way he portrays it, it's issues that anyone would be upset about, to various degrees.

If true, (and it's not the 1st time the LAPD has been accused of habits of behaving badly.) those issues need to be addressed, in real ways if the LAPD are to be considered legit public servants.
The Idea that badly behaving cops are being promoted and cops doing right are being fired should give no one any comfort.

I pray the killing stops, they get the guy
and LAPD (and other Police depts) get their acts together in a real way.

taft2012
02-12-2013, 07:27 AM
what if his claims have merit; doesn't that concern you?
How much attention would have been afforded his claims against the LAPD had he not started killing?
He laid out his reasons, took his stand-- agree or disagree with his motives and methods, but he fights for what he believes necessary to put things right. He'll be judged by whether change happens; his demise is inevitable.

Oh for God's sake, he's killing innocent people. People who have no idea who he even is.

If he was going around killing innocent people to bring attention to the fact that the gas company is overbilling him, would you say "What if his claims have merit?"

Or would you say "This guy's out of his friggin' mind?"

But since this is the police, we have to allow room to assume the worst about them. Don't we?

revelarts
02-12-2013, 08:00 AM
Oh for God's sake, he's killing innocent people. People who have no idea who he even is.

If he was going around killing innocent people to bring attention to the fact that the gas company is overbilling him, would you say "What if his claims have merit?"

Or would you say "This guy's out of his friggin' mind?"

But since this is the police, we have to allow room to assume the worst about them. Don't we?
Well he was a police as well.. right? -cough-

But we should assume both innocent until proven guilty,
I thought that's the way it's suppose works for everyone.
Unless people think finding badly behaving cops is like finding bigfoot.

But it's my understanding that in the LAPD have got a law that protect their records from public view and any investigation is an INTERNAL investigation. So hows anyone really going to prove if the police have done wrong or not.

AS far as reading his letter , well, I thought looking at the reasons why people do horrible crimes is called looking for motive. Police do that right?
Some motives have merit, "he stole food for his kids" "she shot them to save his husband" some don't.

taft2012
02-12-2013, 08:12 AM
Donner supports the democrats but he's shooting police, that is, at the STATE. The Left luuuvs the state. Only the state can save us and Only the state is allowed to shoot people


Oh yeah, local municipal police are the very embodiment of the state. That's why liberals have such a long-standing love affair with us, and look to exonerate us every chance they get whenever we shoot someone, never second guess us, faithfully support us, and oppose the Supreme Court in all its efforts to expand search and seizure rules.

BTW: How's everything on Planet Pothead? :laugh2:

Libertarian: A liberal who has grown weary trying to use the liberal platform to legalize marijuana, and who now uses the conservative platform to try to legalize marijuana.

:lol: Know who your "allies" are, folks. Know who they are.

revelarts
02-12-2013, 08:45 AM
Oh yeah, local municipal police are the very embodiment of the state. That's why liberals have such a long-standing love affair with us, and look to exonerate us every chance they get whenever we shoot someone, never second guess us, faithfully support us, and oppose the Supreme Court in all its efforts to expand search and seizure rules.
the left luvs to use the police, how many drones and other military equipment has NewYork gotten from Obama so far.




BTW: How's everything on Planet Pothead? :laugh2:

Libertarian: A liberal who has grown weary trying to use the liberal platform to legalize marijuana, and who now uses the conservative platform to try to legalize marijuana.

:lol: Know who your "allies" are, folks. Know who they are.

See, some Police always KNOW what someone has done,
the Kid in the chair with Cuff didn't Cry He's already a Career offender. Abby has a Bad attitude, lied or misremembered, and Now Taft you have decided that I'm a pot head.

I can't freely say what you are....
i don't know you, but your a horrible excuse of a police officer.
i hope your retirements coming up soon.

read this carefully so there's no mistake. I've Never smoked pot. ever. not once.
"Know who your "allies" are"? You need to know what the H377 your talking about before you accuse people based or your sad narrow minded BS POV.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-12-2013, 09:08 AM
what if his claims have merit; doesn't that concern you?
How much attention would have been afforded his claims against the LAPD had he not started killing?
He laid out his reasons, took his stand-- agree or disagree with his motives and methods, but he fights for what he believes necessary to put things right. He'll be judged by whether change happens; his demise is inevitable.

He is murdering innocent people. Wrong way to go about putting the light on any wrongs that may exist within the police system . I'm all for fighting for what one believes in but not by deliberately murdering innocent people. He murdered that police Captain's daughter! Murdered a woman to prove a point. I think it's more about revenge than it is about proving a point. Even if his point is correct he doesn't get to prove it by using this method. --Tyr

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-12-2013, 10:01 AM
He is murdering innocent people. Wrong way to go about putting the light on any wrongs that may exist within the police system . I'm all for fighting for what one believes in but not by deliberately murdering innocent people. He murdered that police Captain's daughter! Murdered a woman to prove a point. I think it's more about revenge than it is about proving a point. Even if his point is correct he doesn't get to prove it by using this method. --Tyr

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http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=616783#post616783)
Just shoot the dumb shit down and be done with it. Who cares what the bastard says??
He starts murdering people and now suddenly he gets a nationwide audience to spit his crap out to.
How much will this attention give rise and cause to others in the future to take the same path??
Find him , shoot his sorry ass. He is no patriot, just a vengeful asshat that deserves a hot piece of lead delivered dead on target for max effect IMHO.-Tyr



what if his claims have merit; doesn't that concern you?

HIS CLAIMS ARE LIKELY TO HAVE SOME MERIT IMHO AND SURE IT CONCERNS ME BUT HIS METHOD TO BURN THE HOUSE DOWN CAN NOT BE APPLAUDED AND/OR ALLOWED .
THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR HIS METHODS.-Tyr

jimnyc
02-12-2013, 11:54 AM
what if his claims have merit; doesn't that concern you?
How much attention would have been afforded his claims against the LAPD had he not started killing?
He laid out his reasons, took his stand-- agree or disagree with his motives and methods, but he fights for what he believes necessary to put things right. He'll be judged by whether change happens; his demise is inevitable.

The concern for his claims became backseat the minute he decided to become a murderer. Even if his claims pan out to be 100% true, he's still a murderer of at least 3 people, and his fight for what he believes in is nothing more than a murder spree.

mundame
02-12-2013, 12:12 PM
I'm not any more interested in reading his long screed than I was interested in the Unabomber's Manifesto.

The point is, these guys need killin'.

I'm interested in law and order. The more the better.





Anyway, I bet they DON'T catch him: I bet he goes to ground in New Orleans or Chicago or (heaven forbid) Baltimore or wherever there is a large black population he can hide in. I don't necessarily mean they would cover for him, all of them, but that he could hide and never be found in an urban ghetto if he changes his name.

logroller
02-12-2013, 01:07 PM
Oh for God's sake, he's killing innocent people. People who have no idea who he even is.

If he was going around killing innocent people to bring attention to the fact that the gas company is overbilling him, would you say "What if his claims have merit?"

Or would you say "This guy's out of his friggin' mind?"

But since this is the police, we have to allow room to assume the worst about them. Don't we?
Not innocent- guilty by association. You cops assume that all the time; probably where he learned it. Gas bills...big bad wolf got you building strawman arguments.

CSM
02-12-2013, 01:21 PM
I'm not any more interested in reading his long screed than I was interested in the Unabomber's Manifesto.

The point is, these guys need killin'.

I'm interested in law and order. The more the better.





Anyway, I bet they DON'T catch him: I bet he goes to ground in New Orleans or Chicago or (heaven forbid) Baltimore or wherever there is a large black population he can hide in. I don't necessarily mean they would cover for him, all of them, but that he could hide and never be found in an urban ghetto if he changes his name.

I'm all for law and order. I also believe in justice ... you know, "innocent until proven guilty" and all that... minor detail, I know.

logroller
02-12-2013, 01:30 PM
The concern for his claims became backseat the minute he decided to become a murderer. Even if his claims pan out to be 100% true, he's still a murderer of at least 3 people, and his fight for what he believes in is nothing more than a murder spree.
I don't dispute that; if he went to trial, he'd be held accountable. He was upset he was labeled a malcontent and liar; trading that hat in for felony murderer. But he's a symptom, not the problem. The issue is why over 5 years his complaints went unaddressed; conspiracy and perjury utilized by those sworn to uphold the law coming to light only when something heinous occurs. What, pray tell, is someone to do? Just bend over and take it? Sure fire way to see the problem grow in intensity-- Which it undoubtedly has. What ever happened with that vet that was killed defending his own house from a mistaken search warrant-- any ramifications for their not tendering first aid? Any manhunt for the innumerable officers who were "just doing their jobs"? Nope: exonerated no doubt; they have their jobs, protected by the administration. Oh, but lets shed a year for a fallen officer whose only guilt was being in uniform. Maybe he thought he someone else; paperwork was mixed up or something. Many a killing by police officer has been attributed to such, its legal when the law does it.

jimnyc
02-12-2013, 01:41 PM
I don't dispute that; if he went to trial, he'd be held accountable. He was upset he was labeled a malcontent and liar; trading that hat in for felony murderer. But he's a symptom, not the problem. The issue is why over 5 years his complaints went unaddressed; conspiracy and perjury utilized by those sworn to uphold the law coming to light only when something heinous occurs. What, pray tell, is someone to do? Just bend over and take it? Sure fire way to see the problem grow in intensity-- Which it undoubtedly has. What ever happened with that vet that was killed defending his own house from a mistaken search warrant-- any ramifications for their not tendering first aid? Any manhunt for the innumerable officers who were "just doing their jobs"? Nope: exonerated no doubt; they have their jobs, protected by the administration. Oh, but lets shed a year for a fallen officer whose only guilt was being in uniform. Maybe he thought he someone else; paperwork was mixed up or something. Many a killing by police officer has been attributed to such, its legal when the law does it.

I don't believe anyone should have to bend over and take it, even under lesser circumstances. But nothing that could ever have transpired would make it somehow OK for this guy to go and kill 3 people in order to get his issues addressed. While he may be a symptom, his actions make theirs pale in comparison.

avatar4321
02-12-2013, 02:19 PM
The fact that he liked Chris Christie makes me question that man more.

gabosaurus
02-12-2013, 04:06 PM
But we should assume both innocent until proven guilty,


Dorner has already admitted that he is guilty of murder. And that he plans to carry out more murders.
He is a most dangerous man and should be shot on sight.

logroller
02-12-2013, 05:48 PM
I don't believe anyone should have to bend over and take it, even under lesser circumstances. But nothing that could ever have transpired would make it somehow OK for this guy to go and kill 3 people in order to get his issues addressed. While he may be a symptom, his actions make theirs pale in comparison.
I think its worthy of consideration that what you see as pale in comparison is likely whitewashed.

Kathianne
02-12-2013, 05:56 PM
Shootout with him continues:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-christopher-dorner-big-bear.html


Christopher Dorner in gun battle with authorities, source says February 12, 2013 | 1:12 pm

Christopher Dorner was engaged in a shootout with federal authorities in the Big Bear area Tuesday, a law enforcement source told The Times.


The shooting occurred after Dorner burglarized a home, tied up a couple and stole their car, the source said.


It was not immediately clear whether Dorner was in custody.

...

Abbey Marie
02-12-2013, 05:58 PM
Great find, Jim. I read the whole thing, though the ending got a little goofy.

I think it is very telling that he remembers in such detail injustices from his early school days. Those probably shaped his reactions to what he saw as injustices as an adult. Always putting himself in the shoes of what he saw as victims. And why he had such a strong reaction to being called a bully- obviously the very type of person he loathes. Therapy might have helped him to let go of those incidents and move on.

Kathianne
02-12-2013, 07:10 PM
It looks like he's killed another police officer:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/


One police officer was killed and another hurt in a fierce gunfight with a fugitive ex-LAPD cop who remained holed up in a cabin in the San Bernardino Mountains, law enforcement sources said.
It was not known if Christopher Dorner was hit in the dramatic battle that unfolded Tuesday afternoon in the resort area of Big Bear. Dorner, who has vowed not to be taken alive, was firing at police and using smoke grenades. It was not clear what other weapons he had inside the cabin.
"Everyone is very hopeful that this thing ends without any more bloodshed," LAPD Commander Andrew Smith said at a Tuesday evening news conference in Los Angeles, as LAPD and San Bernadino police tensely manned positions around the cabin. "The best thing for him now would be to surrender.
"There is a tremendous sense of apprehension about our officers here," Smith added.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/#ixzz2KjWWcjcx

...

Kathianne
02-12-2013, 07:49 PM
It also looks like it's ending:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/


A California mountain cabin where a fugitive ex-LAPD cop holed up after engaging police in a deadly firefight Tuesday was engulfed in flames, according to reports.


Christopher Dorner, who hours earlier had killed one San Bernadino sheriff's deputy and wounded another before barricading himself in the cabin, was believed to be inside. Dorner, who vowed not to be taken alive, had been surrounded inside the cabin since early Tuesday afternoon. Sources said ammunition was exploding inside the cabin, in the rural Big Bear community where he apparently has been hiding since sometime last week.


...

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-12-2013, 07:50 PM
It looks like he's killed another police officer:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/

She murders good officers doing their duty in a bid for a just cause! No,he murders in a bid to stay ALIVE AFTER GOING ON VENGEFUL MURDER SPREE PREVIOUSLY.

THIS GUY IS OBVIOUSLY OPERATING ON A PERSONAL RAGE IN WHICH HE SEES HIMSELF AS A VICTIM AND A HERO.

HIS MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE VOIDS HIS SUPPOSED -RIGHTEOUS CAUSE.. -TYR

aboutime
02-12-2013, 08:18 PM
She murders good officers doing their duty in a bid for a just cause! No,he murders in a bid to stay ALIVE AFTER GOING ON VENGEFUL MURDER SPREE PREVIOUSLY.

THIS GUY IS OBVIOUSLY OPERATING ON A PERSONAL RAGE IN WHICH HE SEES HIMSELF AS A VICTIM AND A HERO.

HIS MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE VOIDS HIS SUPPOSED -RIGHTEOUS CAUSE.. -TYR


​OBAMA may ask for a Moment of Silence at the SOTU speech to offer his Blessings, and Hero worship to Dorner!

Kathianne
02-12-2013, 08:26 PM
It also looks like it's ending:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/

bump

Kathianne
02-12-2013, 08:29 PM
More:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/fugitive-cop-christopher-dorner-barricaded-cabin-cops/story?id=18480021


The remote California mountain cabin in which fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner has barricaded himself in tense standoff with police is on fire, following a shootout with police in which one officer was killed and another wounded.


Once the fire started, a single shot was heard from inside the cabin and then flames and a large column of black smoke was seen rising above the snow-covered trees near Big Bear, Calif., ABC station KABC-TV in Los Angeles reported (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=8989757). ...

logroller
02-12-2013, 08:39 PM
She murders good officers doing their duty in a bid for a just cause! No,he murders in a bid to stay ALIVE AFTER GOING ON VENGEFUL MURDER SPREE PREVIOUSLY.

THIS GUY IS OBVIOUSLY OPERATING ON A PERSONAL RAGE IN WHICH HE SEES HIMSELF AS A VICTIM AND A HERO.

HIS MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE VOIDS HIS SUPPOSED -RIGHTEOUS CAUSE.. -TYR
Vengeful/ prideful -- cut from same cloth you said. Yet here you repeat "vengeful" repeatedly. Poignant how your word choice here reflects different tonality; not so similar after all. But this innocent/ guilty thing intrigues me; once he committed himself to the cause, and someone tried to stop him, of course he'd attack them. Guilt or innocence is not a consideration at that point; he's fully vested. Same as a soldier who engages a target running a checkpoint. Maybe they're a threat, maybe they're not; but once the line is crossed, it is assumed they are, and one is committed to stop them. Nothing is voided; collateral damage happens all the time. Maybe the driver deserves it, but what about the child in the back seat. sucks and all, but such inevitable. Guilt by association renders your "innocents" culpable; do you void our anti- terrorist drone strikes too because "innocents" are killed? Denounce israel for the Palestinians killed that don't support Hamas, but commingle with them? Dollar to a dime says you don't. Funny how when is your supposed righteous cause, it gets a pass.

logroller
02-12-2013, 08:42 PM
More:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/fugitive-cop-christopher-dorner-barricaded-cabin-cops/story?id=18480021
Curious. He said he wanted his head examined; assuming the single shot heard was suicidal, I wonder if it was a chest shot.

jimnyc
02-12-2013, 09:08 PM
Yeap, just hearing that he may have shot himself and lit the place up in flames.

glockmail
02-12-2013, 09:11 PM
Good that he shot himself. We don't need another OJ trail in Californica.

aboutime
02-12-2013, 09:27 PM
Will Obama instruct everybody to fly their flags at half mast for Dorner? After all. He's a Brother, and gun control made him EAT his pistol.

mundame
02-12-2013, 10:28 PM
I'm all for law and order. I also believe in justice ... you know, "innocent until proven guilty" and all that... minor detail, I know.

Minor detail indeed: once they start killing cops, all that goes out the window. And that's fine with me.

Whoops! I edited this post since I saw the breaking news that he may have killed himself and fired the cabin.

logroller
02-12-2013, 11:20 PM
Minor detail indeed: once they start killing cops, all that goes out the window. And that's fine with me.

Whoops! I edited this post since I saw the breaking news that he may have killed himself and fired the cabin.
So once the storm runs its course, its back to business as usual? The central tenet of our system of justice being applicable only in fair-weather is NOT something I'm fine with. Hardly surprising though, for it seems the vast majority of Americans are content whilst the foundation of laws are turned to pillars of salt. Natural law prevails over the law of man. Do you realize that the sacrifices will continue lock step with our lack of obedience? That's not even prophecy; its been that way since the beginning if time.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-13-2013, 12:13 AM
So once the storm runs its course, its back to business as usual? The central tenet of our system of justice being applicable only in fair-weather is NOT something I'm fine with. Hardly surprising though, for it seems the vast majority of Americans are content whilst the foundation of laws are turned to pillars of salt. Natural law prevails over the law of man. Do you realize that the sacrifices will continue lock step with our lack of obedience? That's not even prophecy; its been that way since the beginning if time.

When one wants to light the fires that lead back to the path of justice they had best not start by slaying innocent people, for the foundation of justice stands not on the bones of innocent victims nor the burning down of the house one intends to save!
The man mixed his drink with revenge , murder and personal philosophy. Revenge does not require murder and never requires murder of innocent people. It can be had by simple truth and personal sacrifice. When one chooses to sacrifice the lives of others they have voided their cause and gathered righteous contempt for their deeds.
The man chose evil over sacrifice and died a murdering maniac drunk on his own fantasy and folly. The insanity and wickedness of his path will insure in this world that he becomes a hero to those that see neither light or the glory in each and every sunrise..
Sad that such darkness passes for noble cause and the masses see only the fleeting glimpse of justice not yet trampled by the lusts of unenlightened men hellbent on destroying the last flickers of the cherished flame. Anaka makadia vakalnashi.-Tyr

avatar4321
02-13-2013, 01:13 AM
Last reports I heard said that they weren't positive on the ID of a body. It may take several days to determine whether he died or escaped. If it was actually him to begin with.

gabosaurus
02-13-2013, 01:20 AM
Last reports I heard said that they weren't positive on the ID of a body. It may take several days to determine whether he died or escaped. If it was actually him to begin with.

If you followed the progression of events, it is fairly certain that the person in the cabin was Dorner.
I have to wonder why logroller is taking up the case of a professed assassin. If it is too dangerous to take someone alive, then you make sure they are dead.
Never thought logroller was a liberal.

red states rule
02-13-2013, 03:14 AM
Will Obama instruct everybody to fly their flags at half mast for Dorner? After all. He's a Brother, and gun control made him EAT his pistol.

AT, we are getting close to that. I was waiting for this and Chris Matthews did not disappoint



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red states rule
02-13-2013, 03:27 AM
Is anyone surprised by the love affair between MSNBC and Dorner?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iVW0rHfLy6o#!

logroller
02-13-2013, 03:35 AM
If you followed the progression of events, it is fairly certain that the person in the cabin was Dorner.
I have to wonder why logroller is taking up the case of a professed assassin. If it is too dangerous to take someone alive, then you make sure they are dead.
Never thought logroller was a liberal.
Never thought people fit into nice little boxes.

red states rule
02-13-2013, 03:39 AM
Never thought people fit into nice little boxes.

I do this SOB fits into a box about 6 feet long and 3 feet wide LR. (If there is enough left of him to fit in the box)

Your compassion for this animal is misplaced to say the least

taft2012
02-13-2013, 06:32 AM
the left luvs to use the police, how many drones and other military equipment has NewYork gotten from Obama so far.

Yeah, the left loves their local police. Which is why when this nut had a problem with the police he ran right to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity with his manifesto. Oh wait... no, that's not where he went, was it?

Scared of them drones, aintcha? Why don't you just buy some heat lamps and move your plants indoors?


See, some Police always KNOW what someone has done,
the Kid in the chair with Cuff didn't Cry He's already a Career offender.

If I'm not sitting on a jury I don't have to presume anyone innocent, either as a private citizen or in the capacity as a police officer. As a police officer I have to have a legal standard of probable cause to make an arrest. Any opinions about guilt or innocence I'm entitled to have.

How about you? I guess you still pontificate about OJ Simpson being not guilty of killing his wife and Ron Goldman, right? After all, a jury acquitted him, all according to Hoyle. So OJ's ain't no murderer.

And now we can never call this Dorner guy guilty because he'll never face a jury? That's liberal bullshit. You're a liberal. Just own up to it. All of this right-wing window dressing you're throwing onto your shallowly buried liberalism isn't fooling anyone. Like the ACLU, you want to expand protections for criminals, make excuses for them, and handcuff law enforcement. You alleged libertarians are liberal trojan horses and I've had you all pegged for years now.


I can't freely say what you are....
i don't know you, but your a horrible excuse of a police officer.
i hope your retirements coming up soon.

To the contrary, I've been promoted quite a few times for my excellent work. Thank you.


read this carefully so there's no mistake. I've Never smoked pot. ever. not once.

No, that's not a bowling alley they opened next door, that's an entire world wide web's worth of eyeballs rolling all at once. :rolleyes:


"Know who your "allies" are"? You need to know what the H377 your talking about before you accuse people based or your sad narrow minded BS POV.

The reason you're so pissed, is because I nailed it so clean. This uncanny ability has been honed through years of experience.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-13-2013, 09:18 AM
http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=616783#post616783)
Just shoot the dumb shit down and be done with it. Who cares what the bastard says??
He starts murdering people and now suddenly he gets a nationwide audience to spit his crap out to.
How much will this attention give rise and cause to others in the future to take the same path??
Find him , shoot his sorry ass. He is no patriot, just a vengeful asshat that deserves a hot piece of lead delivered dead on target for max effect IMHO.-Tyr



what if his claims have merit; doesn't that concern you?

HIS CLAIMS ARE LIKELY TO HAVE SOME MERIT IMHO AND SURE IT CONCERNS ME BUT HIS METHOD TO BURN THE HOUSE DOWN CAN NOT BE APPLAUDED AND/OR ALLOWED .
THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR HIS METHODS.-Tyr
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^^^^^^Now we see that they guy did burn the house down! Going out in a blaze of glory, at least to some it will be taken to be a blaze of glory. Instead, it was really just a revenge murdering spree engaged in to highlight a point about police corruption. Mixing in revenge changed his cause(righteous(?)) from noble to hideous IMHO.
Many of us are not wiling to overlook the deliberate murder of innocent people as a way to bring attention to a cause..--Tyr

logroller
02-13-2013, 03:24 PM
I do this SOB fits into a box about 6 feet long and 3 feet wide LR. (If there is enough left of him to fit in the box)

So officers of the law committing perjury and/or conspiring to whitewash abuse of power is of no concern to you? Funny; I'm sure I can find no less than 50 posts alleging Obama and Co of having done so to a great outpouring of concern.

aboutime
02-13-2013, 03:28 PM
"ONE LESS VOTE TO CAST FOR OBAMA. ONE LESS EGG TO FRY!"

Thanks to the FIFTH DIMENSION for telling us how Dorner is NO LONGER A PROBLEM for Humanity.

I am GLAD, and HAPPY he is Dead.

And, I don't care HOW he got dead.

Dead is Dead.

If you don't like it. Who cares? Dorner?????


How many people are angry about How Dorner died, but Say Nothing About Obama's Death List of Americans?????

logroller
02-13-2013, 04:01 PM
In not applauding his methods; I'm saying it no other method availed itself, what was he to do? It's easy to condemn his actions, and assuming there must have been some other option available; the query ends there. But what if there wasn't? I'm not overlooking his actions; I'm asking why a person would do such things. What could have inspired such crimes?
Sure is easy to say there's no sound reasoning and leave it at that. But ask yourself, if his allegations of closed-door internal reviews besieged with perjury and conspiracy have merit and he pursued all avenues for reconciliation, then the system failed. This is same system which is responsible for protecting the innocent; when it failed, innocents died. His actions being non-preferred-- what actions would you take? Be specific.

aboutime
02-13-2013, 05:56 PM
In not applauding his methods; I'm saying it no other method availed itself, what was he to do? It's easy to condemn his actions, and assuming there must have been some other option available; the query ends there. But what if there wasn't? I'm not overlooking his actions; I'm asking why a person would do such things. What could have inspired such crimes?
Sure is easy to say there's no sound reasoning and leave it at that. But ask yourself, if his allegations of closed-door internal reviews besieged with perjury and conspiracy have merit and he pursued all avenues for reconciliation, then the system failed. This is same system which is responsible for protecting the innocent; when it failed, innocents died. His actions being non-preferred-- what actions would you take? Be specific.


HE MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE. He could have done anything else.
And MURDER is not the way to get HIS POUND OF FLESH.
So, he became his own ROAST BEEF, or LONDON BROIL.

Do I care?

HELL NO!

Murder, for the sake of getting even. No matter who you are. Is still Murder.
Thankfully. We the People will not have to pay for his Room and Board, nor any court case.
DEAD IS DEAD.
He is DEAD.
That is a GOOD Thing.

logroller
02-13-2013, 09:46 PM
HE MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE. He could have done anything else.
And MURDER is not the way to get HIS POUND OF FLESH.
So, he became his own ROAST BEEF, or LONDON BROIL.

Do I care?

HELL NO!

Murder, for the sake of getting even. No matter who you are. Is still Murder.
Thankfully. We the People will not have to pay for his Room and Board, nor any court case.
DEAD IS DEAD.
He is DEAD.
That is a GOOD Thing.
Why do you capitalize facts? It doesn't lend any credibility; it just make should look like a loud mouth, i know those things. Do I care that he murdered four people? Sure. Doesn't mean I feel the need to throw caution to the wind and wipe my ass with the laws of our country to bring him to justice and thereafter ignore what brought him to this point. How many other people died a violent death yesterday by firearm? LA county averages three per day. Suppose we outta ban guns then. Same logic. Its whack a mole-- Attack whatever pops up-- which they will continue doing. What ideas do you have to stop this, specifically?

aboutime
02-13-2013, 10:16 PM
why do you capitalize facts? It doesn't lend any credibility; it just make should look like a loud mouth, i know those things. Do i care that he murdered four people? Sure. Doesn't mean i feel the need to throw caution to the wind and wipe my ass with the laws of our country to bring him to justice and thereafter ignore what brought him to this point. How many other people died a violent death yesterday by firearm? La county averages three per day. Suppose we outta ban guns then. Same logic. Its whack a mole-- attack whatever pops up-- which they will continue doing. What ideas do you have to stop this, specifically?


As if you had any credibility to ask such questions??????

Don't like caps?

I don't care what you do, or do not like.
The CAPS lock works for me.

logroller
02-13-2013, 11:50 PM
As if you had any credibility to ask such questions??????

Don't like caps?

I don't care what you do, or do not like.
The CAPS lock works for me.
As if you have the scruples to answer them.

red states rule
02-14-2013, 02:37 AM
In not applauding his methods; I'm saying it no other method availed itself, what was he to do? It's easy to condemn his actions, and assuming there must have been some other option available; the query ends there. But what if there wasn't? I'm not overlooking his actions; I'm asking why a person would do such things. What could have inspired such crimes?
Sure is easy to say there's no sound reasoning and leave it at that. But ask yourself, if his allegations of closed-door internal reviews besieged with perjury and conspiracy have merit and he pursued all avenues for reconciliation, then the system failed. This is same system which is responsible for protecting the innocent; when it failed, innocents died. His actions being non-preferred-- what actions would you take? Be specific.

This has been a common theme with the left over he last few days. Looks for reasons to excuse a black guy murdering people over the alleged racism he "suffered" during his life

You would fit in fine at the NY Times LR





For the Los Angeles Police Department, the allegations of departmental corruption and racism by a former police officer now accused of a revenge-fueled killing rampage are the words of a delusional man, detached from the reality of the huge improvements the force has undergone over the years.

“These are the rantings of a clearly very sick individual,” William J. Bratton, a former department commissioner, said Friday. “It would be a shame if he was able to rally to his cause people who remember the bad old days of the L.A.P.D.”
Yet for whatever changes the department has undergone since the days when it was notorious as an outpost of rampant racism and corruption, the accusations by the suspect — however disjointed and unhinged — have struck a chord. They are a reminder, many black leaders said, that some problems remain and, no less significant, that memories of abuses and mistreatment remain strong in many parts of this city.

“Our community doesn’t need this,” said the Rev. William D. Smart, the president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference of Southern California. “We don’t need something like this opening old wounds.”

“While there been a lot of improvements, there’s still room for improvement,” he said. “There is still one segment of our community that historically distrusts the police force.”

Indeed, in posts on Facebook and in interviews, some black residents offered at least a partial endorsement of the sentiments expressed by the suspect, Christopher J. Dorner, in a manifesto posted on his Facebook page, even as they made it clear that they did not condone the violence he is accused of. Mr. Dorner, the subject of a manhunt, claimed that racism was a factor in his dismissal from the department in 2008, and that it was as endemic in the force as ever.

“We look at the police differently from the way you look at the police,” said Hodari Sababu, 56, a tour guide who has lived in the South Central section of Los Angeles for 40 years. “In your community, the police is there to protect and serve; in my community, the police are there to harass and to insult and to kill if they get a chance.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/us/for-some-suspects-charges-of-police-racism-resound.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

red states rule
02-14-2013, 02:55 AM
More from the defenders of this scum bag killer (and this ass may be educating your kids at Columbia University)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v-uuGdxLZtE

logroller
02-15-2013, 10:55 AM
This has been a common theme with the left over he last few days. Looks for reasons to excuse a black guy murdering people over the alleged racism he "suffered" during his life

You would fit in fine at the NY Times LR
Where did I say ANYTHING about race-- i listed my specific concerns multiple times-- You can't handle the tough questions I posed- so you make false attributions, while with a forked tongue deride "libs" for doing the same thing. You'd fit in fine at the onion.

red states rule
02-17-2013, 08:15 AM
Where did I say ANYTHING about race-- i listed my specific concerns multiple times-- You can't handle the tough questions I posed- so you make false attributions, while with a forked tongue deride "libs" for doing the same thing. You'd fit in fine at the onion.

I never you said you mentioned race. It is not unbelievable in the PC f'd up world we live in where some people can offer support to a f'ing killer who is PO'd over alleged racism

The guy is a loser and a coward and yet some seem compelled to over sympathy and support for his "charges"

Reminds me a liberals during the Reagan years who bellowed how despite their is a lack of evidence the seriousness of the charge requires and "investigation"

Meanwhile the idiots gather together for a meeting




Dozens of protesters rallied outside Los Angeles police headquarters Saturday in support of Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD officer and suspected killer of four who died after a shootout and fire this week at a mountain cabin following one of the biggest manhunts in recent memory.

Protesters told the Los Angeles Times (http://lat.ms/11Ndm6i)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png they didn't support Dorner's deadly methods, but objected to police corruption and brutality, and believed Dorner's claims of racism and unfair treatment by the department. Many said they were angered by the conduct of the manhunt that led to Dorner's death and injuries to innocent bystanders who were mistaken for him.

Michael Nam, 30, who held a sign with a flaming tombstone and the inscription "RIP Habeas Corpus," said it was "pretty obvious" police had no intention of bringing Dorner in alive.

"They were the judge, the jury and the executioner," Nam said. "As an American citizen, you have the right to a trial and due process by law."
During the hunt for Dorner, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck called for Dorner's surrender and said he didn't want to see the suspect or anyone else injured.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/17/dozens-pro-dorner-protesters-rally-at-lapd-hq/?test=latestnews#ixzz2LDlId2zn

taft2012
02-17-2013, 08:54 AM
I never you said you mentioned race. It is not unbelievable in the PC f'd up world we live in where some people can offer support to a f'ing killer who is PO'd over alleged racism

The guy is a loser and a coward and yet some seem compelled to over sympathy and support for his "charges"

Reminds me a liberals during the Reagan years who bellowed how despite their is a lack of evidence the seriousness of the charge requires and "investigation"

Meanwhile the idiots gather together for a meeting

It doesn't make any sense, until you realize that at the root of it they're thinly-veiled liberals whose priority issue is legalized marijuana. Then it all makes sense.

taft2012
02-17-2013, 11:13 AM
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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-17-2013, 02:02 PM
I never you said you mentioned race. It is not unbelievable in the PC f'd up world we live in where some people can offer support to a f'ing killer who is PO'd over alleged racism

The guy is a loser and a coward and yet some seem compelled to over sympathy and support for his "charges"

Reminds me a liberals during the Reagan years who bellowed how despite their is a lack of evidence the seriousness of the charge requires and "investigation"

Meanwhile the idiots gather together for a meeting


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to red states rule again.

LIBERALS ALWAYS LOOKING TO advance their cause regardless of how many it hurts or even that it may kill.-Tyr

red states rule
02-18-2013, 04:00 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to red states rule again.

LIBERALS ALWAYS LOOKING TO advance their cause regardless of how many it hurts or even that it may kill.-Tyr

I have always believed that one of the basic foundations of liberalism is to ensure the misery is equally spread around.

and libs are doing a great job in that department right now

Of course they refuse to take the credit for it and prefer to blame others