It's cold!

[jimnyc]

It's somewhere between 15-20 degrees here today, but with the wind chill factored in I believe it's more like 200 below! I hate the cold air, unless it's bringing a lot of snow along with it. I need a remote starter in my truck so I don't freeze my fat ass off when going out. And yes, I know I can start it and go back in, but the damage is done already at that point. And it's supposed to go down to the single digits and perhaps 4-7ish overnight.

But I noticed on FB that Darin was enjoying 0 degree weather where he's at. I would laugh at him, but knowing him he probably likes it!

[ConHog]

It's somewhere between 15-20 degrees here today, but with the wind chill factored in I believe it's more like 200 below! I hate the cold air, unless it's bringing a lot of snow along with it. I need a remote starter in my truck so I don't freeze my fat ass off when going out. And yes, I know I can start it and go back in, but the damage is done already at that point. And it's supposed to go down to the single digits and perhaps 4-7ish overnight.

But I noticed on FB that Darin was enjoying 0 degree weather where he's at. I would laugh at him, but knowing him he probably likes it!

a balmy 36 here today. My dad just called and said it's 72 on the golf course in las vegas. That fucker can eat a dick.

:laugh2:

[tailfins]

We're supposed to get below zero actual temperature tomorrow night. One of my favorite weekend spots is going to STAY horrifically cold.

Jackman Weather


http://i.imwx.com/common/My.png 5 Day Forecast Updated: Jan 22, 2013, 4:06pm EST

Tonight Jan 22

http://s.b.imwx.com/v.20120321.161603/img/wxicon/100/13.png 7°F Observed High 3:05 pm

-18°F

Flurries


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Wed Jan 23

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</dt><dd>10%
</dd></dl> <dl><dt>Wind:
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</dt><dd>0%
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Fri Jan 25

http://s.b.imwx.com/v.20120321.162510/img/wxicon/100/28.png 7°

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<dl><dt>Chance of snow:
</dt><dd>20%
</dd></dl> <dl><dt>Wind:
</dt><dd> NNW at 7 mph
</dd></dl> Details (http://www.b.weather.com/weather/wxdetail3/USME0194)



Sat Jan 26

http://s.b.imwx.com/v.20120321.161603/img/wxicon/100/24.png 8°

-10°

Partly Cloudy / Wind


<dl><dt>Chance of snow:
</dt><dd>20%
</dd></dl> <dl><dt>Wind:
</dt><dd> NNW at 21 mp
</dd></dl>

[jimnyc]

We're supposed to get below zero actual temperature tomorrow night.

I need to reload on the firewood, all I have left are the Duraflame logs, and they smell funny. The nursery place by my house sells them by the shopping cart. Seeing that forecast reminded me to go get a few baskets!

[fj1200]

Not cold by others standards here, 40s today, but we've been down a furnace for a couple of weeks. They're about to fire it up soon though. :dance:

[red states rule]

It's somewhere between 15-20 degrees here today, but with the wind chill factored in I believe it's more like 200 below! I hate the cold air, unless it's bringing a lot of snow along with it. I need a remote starter in my truck so I don't freeze my fat ass off when going out. And yes, I know I can start it and go back in, but the damage is done already at that point. And it's supposed to go down to the single digits and perhaps 4-7ish overnight.

But I noticed on FB that Darin was enjoying 0 degree weather where he's at. I would laugh at him, but knowing him he probably likes it!

So much for that hype over global wamring. If the Earth was indeed warming I wish the hell it would happen and out an end to this lousy weather

[Abbey Marie]

Yay, it finally feels like winter. :thumb:

And we had some snow overnight, too. Just wish it was more.

[ConHog]

Yay, it finally feels like winter. :thumb:

And we had some snow overnight, too. Just wish it was more.

Did you get what I call a dirty snow? Enough to make a mess, but not enough to be pretty snow? We get a lot of those around here.

[red states rule]

Yay, it finally feels like winter. :thumb:

And we had some snow overnight, too. Just wish it was more.

It will be near single digit temps tonight. I could not help but think of were the stray animals that will freeze to death due to not having a home

[Abbey Marie]

Did you get what I call a dirty snow? Enough to make a mess, but not enough to be pretty snow? We get a lot of those around here.

Yup, just enough to have to scrape off the car in the morning. :(
We were in New England a couple of weeks ago and had the prettiest (significant) snowfall to see in my BIL's back property. Sigh. Well, at least I got to enjoy that.

[Kathianne]

No snow around here, possibility Friday, but cold and windy! The winds have basically been in the 25-30mph. However, yesterday and Sunday were in the 50-60 mph at times! Wind chills have been in 0-25 below!

http://i49.tinypic.com/2gv25n8.png

[aboutime]

Surprise. The Northern Hemisphere of the Earth has been experiencing a SEASON, commonly known as WINTER since December 21st of 2012.

In the WINTER months of the Earth, in both Hemisphere's. IT GETS COLD. It has been getting cold in Winter, longer than all of us on EARTH have been alive.

Cold temperatures generally coincide with WINTER. Just as Warm temperatures generally coincide with SUMMER.

THAT IS WHY IT IS COLD!

[Kathianne]

Surprise. The Northern Hemisphere of the Earth has been experiencing a SEASON, commonly known as WINTER since December 21st of 2012.

In the WINTER months of the Earth, in both Hemisphere's. IT GETS COLD. It has been getting cold in Winter, longer than all of us on EARTH have been alive.

Cold temperatures generally coincide with WINTER. Just as Warm temperatures generally coincide with SUMMER.

THAT IS WHY IT IS COLD!

True dat. Still these are the coldest temps here in over 2 years. Blame climate change! LOL!

[aboutime]

True dat. Still these are the coldest temps here in over 2 years. Blame climate change! LOL!


Kathianne. Blame DAT? Okay. Throw a few more logs on the fireplace, put on your favorite soft music. Read your favorite book while cuddled up in a nice warm blanket, and just wait for SPRING. Like we all have to do. LOL.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne. Blame DAT? Okay. Throw a few more logs on the fireplace, put on your favorite soft music. Read your favorite book while cuddled up in a nice warm blanket, and just wait for SPRING. Like we all have to do. LOL.

Except when I've got to go out like to work! LOL! Brrr, nearly 2 block walk to door from car at school today. Shivering. I seem to have caught the flu, so tomorrow is looking like an in the house day.

[aboutime]

Except when I've got to go out like to work! LOL! Brrr, nearly 2 block walk to door from car at school today. Shivering. I seem to have caught the flu, so tomorrow is looking like an in the house day.


Had it a few weeks ago. Same time as my wife, and we learned....our son's both had it, then their children. The only one who didn't get it was the 18 month old.
Tough season for everybody. Try Theraflu. Don't try to go to work. No need to spread it around. No matter how dedicated you are. BED, SLEEP, DRINKING WATER, and TYLENOL are the long, drawn out cure.

[red states rule]

http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/global-warming-04.jpg

[Abbey Marie]

http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/global-warming-04.jpg

Actually, they are beautiful animals, and I would think anyone would be crushed to see them die off.

[jafar00]

So much for that hype over global wamring. If the Earth was indeed warming I wish the hell it would happen and out an end to this lousy weather

Here you go :)

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/watch-more-than-half-a-decade-of-climate-change-in-13-seconds

[jimnyc]

Here you go :)

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/watch-more-than-half-a-decade-of-climate-change-in-13-seconds

What's the temps in Australia like now? Did the heat wave pass by yet?

[gabosaurus]

Weather for Huntington Beach, CA

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[jimnyc]

^^Hope you have an earthquake :)

[gabosaurus]

Take into account that it is currently early Thursday morning in Australia.

Weather for Melbourne VIC, Australia

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[Marcus Aurelius]

It is currently 18 degrees where I am in PA. It was 2 degrees last night. I went to pick my son up at religious ed class at my church... heaviest coat I had, gloves, hat. etc... I was FREEZING. My gloves were completely useless.

[Kathianne]

Take into account that it is currently early Thursday morning in Australia.

Weather for Melbourne VIC, Australia



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54°F | °C (https://www.google.com/setprefs?fheit=0&sig=0_tp5Qm42x02dmtjsJ9A5mywBYLxw=&prev=https://www.google.com/search%3Fq%3Dmelbourne%2Baustralia%2Bweather%26ie% 3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26client%3Dfirefox-a&sa=X&ei=ekcAUfmBF4nB2wWWzID4DA&ved=0CDAQwwQ)

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Clear





Wind: N at 10 mph





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and summer. We often have those temps in July, though not in the 50's. ;)

[Marcus Aurelius]

Here you go :)

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/watch-more-than-half-a-decade-of-climate-change-in-13-seconds

From your NASA link...


The average temperature around the globe in 2011 was 0.92 degrees F (0.51 C) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline.


The difference between 2011 and the warmest year in the GISS record (2010) is 0.22 degrees F (0.12 C).

Three words....


Big.... hairy... deal.


EDIT:

BTW...
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/30/nasa-data-worse-than-climategate-data/
NASA Data Worse Than Climate-Gate Data, Space Agency Admits
The e-mails from 2007 reveal that when a USA Today reporter asked if NASA's data "was more accurate" than other climate-change data sets, NASA's Dr. Reto A. Ruedy replied with an unequivocal no. He said (http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2010/03/GISS-says-CRU-Better0001.pdf)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png "the National Climatic Data Center's procedure of only using the best stations is more accurate," admitting that some of his own procedures led to less accurate readings.
"My recommendation to you is to continue using NCDC's data for the U.S. means and [East Anglia] data for the global means," Ruedy told the reporter.
"NASA's temperature data is worse than the Climate-gate temperature data. According to NASA," wrote Christopher Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute who uncovered the e-mails (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategate-three-of-the-four-temperature-datasets-now-irrevocably-tainted/)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png. Horner is skeptical of NCDC's data as well, stating plainly: "Three out of the four temperature data sets stink."

[tailfins]

Weather for Huntington Beach, CA



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I prefer to look at this report: NH: 5.7%, VT: 5.1%, MA: 6.7%, ME: 7.3% (All well below the national average)

All four are within driving distance.

Unemployment Rates, seasonally adjusted News Release

Alabama
7.1%(p) in Dec 2012 Historical Data

Alaska
6.6%(p) in Dec 2012 Historical Data

Arizona
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Arkansas
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California
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Wyoming
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[aboutime]

It is currently 18 degrees where I am in PA. It was 2 degrees last night. I went to pick my son up at religious ed class at my church... heaviest coat I had, gloves, hat. etc... I was FREEZING. My gloves were completely useless.


Marcus. As a Pa. born kinda guy. I remember EVERY YEAR growing up when 18 degree's seemed natural for Winter.

Today. Living in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia. They are predicting lows in the 30's, and the TERRIBLE THREATS OF A DUSTING OF THAT WHITE STUFF that turns this area into the land of STUPIDITY and an Insurance company Dreamland.

Just the mention of low temps, or the SNOW word down here...is like telling the people. DOOMSDAY is REALLY on the way.

[bingster]

From your NASA link...





Three words....


Big.... hairy... deal.


EDIT:

BTW...
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/30/nasa-data-worse-than-climategate-data/
NASA Data Worse Than Climate-Gate Data, Space Agency Admits


That e-mail debacle doesn't prove anything. Our country looks pretty ignorant to the world. In a poll of 25 countries 84% believed in climate change. The two countries with the highest percentage of non-believers was U.S. and Pakistan. Ooops, was I comparing the Republican party to the Taliban?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/btenvironmentra/694.php?nid=&id=&pnt=694

[jimnyc]

That e-mail debacle doesn't prove anything. Our country looks pretty ignorant to the world. In a poll of 25 countries 84% believed in climate change. The two countries with the highest percentage of non-believers was U.S. and Pakistan. Ooops, was I comparing the Republican party to the Taliban?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/btenvironmentra/694.php?nid=&id=&pnt=694

Emails with factual information don't prove anything - but opinions of others around the world do? Also, keep in mind, there is a difference between discussing global warming, and climate change. The climate has always been changing, since time began. And when it was high previously, and then went down as it previously has, no one was screaming about global cooling.

[bingster]

That e-mail debacle doesn't prove anything. Our country looks pretty ignorant to the world. In a poll of 25 countries 84% believed in climate change. The two countries with the highest percentage of non-believers was U.S. and Pakistan. Ooops, was I comparing the Republican party to the Taliban?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/btenvironmentra/694.php?nid=&id=&pnt=694

before I get beat up, I'll apologize for the Taliban reference. I was just kidding, though.

[bingster]

Emails with factual information don't prove anything - but opinions of others around the world do? Also, keep in mind, there is a difference between discussing global warming, and climate change. The climate has always been changing, since time began. And when it was high previously, and then went down as it previously has, no one was screaming about global cooling.

Good shot regarding opinion polls, but I believe that opinion extends to scientists-I'll look for that poll, I guess.

I was using climate change interchangeably with global warming because they are used synonymously. It's the rate of increase that causes extremes. While we might experience record breaking cold in the east, Canada may be experiencing record-breaking heat. I haven't seen a decent summer in California in at least ten years. It used to be steady and predictable, now we seem to be overcast all year long.

[aboutime]

Emails with factual information don't prove anything - but opinions of others around the world do? Also, keep in mind, there is a difference between discussing global warming, and climate change. The climate has always been changing, since time began. And when it was high previously, and then went down as it previously has, no one was screaming about global cooling.



And we cannot ignore, or forget how a large percentage of those who believe in GLOBAL WARMING, just happened to vote for Obama. Not once, but twice. Showing that Email's prove nothing except the larger number of Ignorant recipients who BELIEVE everything they read, or hear on the Internet...because THE INTERNET NEVER LIES!

[jimnyc]

Good shot regarding opinion polls, but I believe that opinion extends to scientists-I'll look for that poll, I guess.

I was using climate change interchangeably with global warming because they are used synonymously. It's the rate of increase that causes extremes. While we might experience record breaking cold in the east, Canada may be experiencing record-breaking heat. I haven't seen a decent summer in California in at least ten years. It used to be steady and predictable, now we seem to be overcast all year long.

And FWIW - for every scientist you can post claiming global warming is happening, I can post another who says it's horseshit. I believe that their goal is to shift public opinion, hence the polls. But there's really no true peer reviewed scientific data to backup the theory of global warming. And quite frankly, one too many stories for my liking of scams and faked stories in order to get people to believe as much. Why have so many been busted lying about the data? I can't imagine anyone lying about data and findings - unless there was $$ involved somewhere.

As for "overcast all year long" - 1st off, I know quite a few Californians that would disagree with you, and continually brag about the awesome summers AND winters. But anyway, that's Cali, probably smog! LOL Fact is, it's not like that everywhere. Another fact - the global warming/cooling / climate change - been happening for a few bajillion years now!

[aboutime]

Speaking of FAKES, SCAM'S and HOAXES on common people around the World.

This tells us all anyone needs to know......4384 about how to become a Multi-Millionaire with TAX DOLLARS!

[bingster]

And we cannot ignore, or forget how a large percentage of those who believe in GLOBAL WARMING, just happened to vote for Obama. Not once, but twice. Showing that Email's prove nothing except the larger number of Ignorant recipients who BELIEVE everything they read, or hear on the Internet...because THE INTERNET NEVER LIES!

I was referring to a global poll of 25 countries.

[bingster]

And FWIW - for every scientist you can post claiming global warming is happening, I can post another who says it's horseshit. I believe that their goal is to shift public opinion, hence the polls. But there's really no true peer reviewed scientific data to backup the theory of global warming. And quite frankly, one too many stories for my liking of scams and faked stories in order to get people to believe as much. Why have so many been busted lying about the data? I can't imagine anyone lying about data and findings - unless there was $$ involved somewhere.

As for "overcast all year long" - 1st off, I know quite a few Californians that would disagree with you, and continually brag about the awesome summers AND winters. But anyway, that's Cali, probably smog! LOL Fact is, it's not like that everywhere. Another fact - the global warming/cooling / climate change - been happening for a few bajillion years now!

Of course, I'll take my weather over anyone else's but, being in retail for the last twenty-some years I have seen a huge difference in weather patterns that have affected our summer seasonal sales. Bragging rights have nothing to do with it.

I've come to the conclusion that this subject can not be argued intellectually. There are plenty of peer reviewed studies on global warming out there, but every one of them will prompt you to cry foul over "biased data". You're right about the money side also. Other than Al Gore, how many environmentalist milionairs and billionairs have you heard of? Yet, there are plenty of rich people selling you the anti-environmentalist view.

[jimnyc]

Of course, I'll take my weather over anyone else's but, being in retail for the last twenty-some years I have seen a huge difference in weather patterns that have affected our summer seasonal sales. Bragging rights have nothing to do with it.

I've come to the conclusion that this subject can not be argued intellectually. There are plenty of peer reviewed studies on global warming out there, but every one of them will prompt you to cry foul over "biased data". You're right about the money side also. Other than Al Gore, how many environmentalist milionairs and billionairs have you heard of? Yet, there are plenty of rich people selling you the anti-environmentalist view.

I'm not advocating shitting up the planet and everyone tossing out styrofoam as they get off highway exits. I just don't think, without irrefutable proof, that life as we know it needs to be altered or the planet is going to spontaneously blow up. There have been tons of scientists and others nailed for hoaxes and fixing data. Why would they do this? If it were truly measurable and provable, why not just put the irrefutable proof forward and make it impossible for others to deny it? Because there is no irrefutable proof. There are thousands of studies and the majority of them are different from one another. Wouldn't surprise me if a whole shitload of people are making money off this crap, from both sides.

People should just be more caring about the planet around them, and do their part to promote a healthy planet. But new regulations and trying to force shitty cars on me? LOL Nope, I'll wait for the proof before I give up my SUV.

[bingster]

I'm not advocating shitting up the planet and everyone tossing out styrofoam as they get off highway exits. I just don't think, without irrefutable proof, that life as we know it needs to be altered or the planet is going to spontaneously blow up. There have been tons of scientists and others nailed for hoaxes and fixing data. Why would they do this? If it were truly measurable and provable, why not just put the irrefutable proof forward and make it impossible for others to deny it? Because there is no irrefutable proof. There are thousands of studies and the majority of them are different from one another. Wouldn't surprise me if a whole shitload of people are making money off this crap, from both sides.

People should just be more caring about the planet around them, and do their part to promote a healthy planet. But new regulations and trying to force shitty cars on me? LOL Nope, I'll wait for the proof before I give up my SUV.

Unlike others you make reasonable arguments. How easy would it be to prove, though? How do you go back in time and prove a pattern that is irrefutable for the future? When it comes to the money, though, like I've said before, there never is much money on the liberal side of the argument. How would it financially benefit someone to prove we need to spend more money to save the planet, when everyone (and I mean everyone) is making virtually every dime on earth destroying that earth? Environmentalists don't have a chance against the trillions of dollars made at their expense.

Funny thing: "Day after tomorrow" is on. That Dennis Quaid movie in which we all have to illegally immigrate to Mexico. :)

[Marcus Aurelius]

That e-mail debacle doesn't prove anything. Our country looks pretty ignorant to the world. In a poll of 25 countries 84% believed in climate change. The two countries with the highest percentage of non-believers was U.S. and Pakistan. Ooops, was I comparing the Republican party to the Taliban?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/btenvironmentra/694.php?nid=&id=&pnt=694

If so, then that would imply that the entire country is Republican. You really wanna say that?


http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Eco/climate-change-debate-climatologists-meteorologists-divided-global-warming/story?id=10447809

While most climatologists agree that humans are driving global warming (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/global-warming-real-9858418) -- literally, in some respects, because of our reliance on fossil fuels -- some of the most trusted names in the weather business don't buy it.


John Coleman, the founder of "The Weather Channel" and the original weatherman on "Good Morning America," (http://abcnews.go.com/gma) has spoken out with his belief that climate change is a myth (http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/global-warming-abc-news-washington-post-poll/story?id=9164306).


"I love the Earth and I want to come up with alternative energy sources. I want to protect the water and air," Coleman said in a presentation posted on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA3OA_2S4QY). "But I know that the Earth is going to be just fine with burning fossil fuels for as long as they last."

"There isn't any climate crisis," he said. "It's totally manufactured."




All told, barely half the forecasters surveyed actually believe in the science of climate change.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/22/climatechange.carbonemissions

The majority of the British public is still not convinced that climate change is caused by humans - and many others believe scientists are exaggerating the problem, according to an exclusive poll for The Observer.


Ipsos MORI polled 1,039 adults and found that six out of 10 agreed that 'many scientific experts still question if humans are contributing to climate change', and that four out of 10 'sometimes think climate change might not be as bad as people say'. In both cases, another 20 per cent were not convinced either way. Despite this, three quarters still professed to be concerned about climate change.



http://www.akdart.com/warming17.html

Don't let anyone tell you that "the science is settled" and "the debate is over" and it's "beyond any reasonable doubt" when it really isn't. There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of the hype and low-level panic about man-made global warming. (You should always be a little skeptical of anything you hear about environmental issues on television.) There are plenty of atmospheric scientists, and others, who aren't buying the hype.

check out the links on this page. It puts the hoax into perspective. IF you have an open mind, that is.


Here's just one...

Democrats are out of the mainstream when it comes to global warming. A Gallup Poll found that only 28% of independents believe in global warming (only 19% of Republicans do). But the Democratic Party continues to languish in its unscientific superstition that the sins of man's materialism will cause Gaia to punish us by creating Hell On Earth. A plurality of Democrats — 43% — believe in global warming.

[red states rule]

That e-mail debacle doesn't prove anything. Our country looks pretty ignorant to the world. In a poll of 25 countries 84% believed in climate change. The two countries with the highest percentage of non-believers was U.S. and Pakistan. Ooops, was I comparing the Republican party to the Taliban?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/btenvironmentra/694.php?nid=&id=&pnt=694

Bing, there is no doubt anout climate change. Every year we go from Spring into Summer. Fall into Winter.

All the rest of the climate change BS is an attempt to extort money form American taxpayers to finance more "green" energy programs

[jafar00]

What's the temps in Australia like now? Did the heat wave pass by yet?

Sydney has moderated somewhat with tops of 79-82F and lows around 70F. Still it was warm and muggy enough today for me to grab a new pair of board shorts and a tshirt on the way home for a quick dip in the waves before walking the rest of the way bare foot and soaking wet. :thumb:

Glad I don't have to pack a pistol. It would get awfully rusty with all the salty sea breezes around here :p

[red states rule]

Good shot regarding opinion polls, but I believe that opinion extends to scientists-I'll look for that poll, I guess.

I was using climate change interchangeably with global warming because they are used synonymously. It's the rate of increase that causes extremes. While we might experience record breaking cold in the east, Canada may be experiencing record-breaking heat. I haven't seen a decent summer in California in at least ten years. It used to be steady and predictable, now we seem to be overcast all year long.

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/payn_c10664120130123120100.jpg

[tailfins]

before I get beat up, I'll apologize for the Taliban reference. I was just kidding, though.

At least you have something to be desired over Alan Grayson.

[Gaffer]

Unlike others you make reasonable arguments. How easy would it be to prove, though? How do you go back in time and prove a pattern that is irrefutable for the future? When it comes to the money, though, like I've said before, there never is much money on the liberal side of the argument. How would it financially benefit someone to prove we need to spend more money to save the planet, when everyone (and I mean everyone) is making virtually every dime on earth destroying that earth? Environmentalists don't have a chance against the trillions of dollars made at their expense.

Funny thing: "Day after tomorrow" is on. That Dennis Quaid movie in which we all have to illegally immigrate to Mexico. :)

Global warming is a liberal agenda seeking power and control over the people. It's that simple. Gore made millions selling the idea and he along with the other liberals are supported by people like soros and his ilk. They have all the funding they can ask for. Buying into the global warming scheme is about as ignorant as joining the heaven's gate cult and waiting for the next comet to appear.

It is a scheme run by rich democrats looking to make themselves richer and gain more control over the people of this country and the world. It's very obvious to those that will just open their eyes and look. When a researcher says there is global warming, look at where he gets his funding. It will always trace back to a soros source.

I've lived in California. LA sits in a bowl and has smog problems, with or without special fuel and clean engines. Monterey has constant clouds and fog. Some parts of central Cal have 80 and 90 degrees in the day and below freezing at night all year round. Northern Cal is cool and comfortable most of the year.

There are always extremes, but they never last. One volcano can have more effect on the weather than all of mankind put together.

Global warming is a scam.

[red states rule]

Global warming is a liberal agenda seeking power and control over the people. It's that simple. Gore made millions selling the idea and he along with the other liberals are supported by people like soros and his ilk. They have all the funding they can ask for. Buying into the global warming scheme is about as ignorant as joining the heaven's gate cult and waiting for the next comet to appear.

It is a scheme run by rich democrats looking to make themselves richer and gain more control over the people of this country and the world. It's very obvious to those that will just open their eyes and look. When a researcher says there is global warming, look at where he gets his funding. It will always trace back to a soros source.

I've lived in California. LA sits in a bowl and has smog problems, with or without special fuel and clean engines. Monterey has constant clouds and fog. Some parts of central Cal have 80 and 90 degrees in the day and below freezing at night all year round. Northern Cal is cool and comfortable most of the year.

There are always extremes, but they never last. One volcano can have more effect on the weather than all of mankind put together.

Global warming is a scam.
Something the liberal media did not report here
Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it



The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2Iy0Reo1D
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[red states rule]

Chicago firefighters fought a fire in Chicago and look at the results due to the cold temps http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-130123-chicago-fire-ice-jsa-11.jpg

[ConHog]

man if this thread didn't turn into proof that people will turn anything into an argument, nothing will.:laugh:

[red states rule]

man if this thread didn't turn into proof that people will turn anything into an argument, nothing will.:laugh:

Hey, if you do not like it here there are many other boards out there you can go to.

[ConHog]

Hey, if you do not like it here there are many other boards out there you can go to.

Did I say that at all liberal?

[mundame]

Unlike others you make reasonable arguments. How easy would it be to prove, though? How do you go back in time and prove a pattern that is irrefutable for the future? When it comes to the money, though, like I've said before, there never is much money on the liberal side of the argument. How would it financially benefit someone to prove we need to spend more money to save the planet, when everyone (and I mean everyone) is making virtually every dime on earth destroying that earth? Environmentalists don't have a chance against the trillions of dollars made at their expense.

Funny thing: "Day after tomorrow" is on. That Dennis Quaid movie in which we all have to illegally immigrate to Mexico. :)


That was a great movie. But it was only a movie! Also, it doesn't exactly show "global warming," does it. it shows a sudden Ice Age.

They can't get it straight whether they want the Earth to cook or cool, they just want TEOTWAWKI and it to be all the Republicans' fault.

Anyway, I know the answer and you already said it, bingster: "How do you go back in time and prove a pattern that is irrefutable for the future?"

Well, you can't. We have data from the past, only. That shows, what, three or four warmish years? We cannot extrapolate to the future, because it hasn't happened yet. Making up future data? THOSE are some bad data. If the global warming control freaks could extrapolate to the future, they'd have predicted that snow we got last night. Whoops, they didn't, again.

[red states rule]

That was a great movie. But it was only a movie! Also, it doesn't exactly show "global warming," does it. it shows a sudden Ice Age.

They can't get it straight whether they want the Earth to cook or cool, they just want TEOTWAWKI and it to be all the Republicans' fault.

Anyway, I know the answer and you already said it, bingster: "How do you go back in time and prove a pattern that is irrefutable for the future?"

Well, you can't. We have data from the past, only. That shows, what, three or four warmish years? We cannot extrapolate to the future, because it hasn't happened yet. Making up future data? THOSE are some bad data. If the global warming control freaks could extrapolate to the future, they'd have predicted that snow we got last night. Whoops, they didn't, again.

http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/global-warming-2473.jpg

[ConHog]

That was a great movie. But it was only a movie! Also, it doesn't exactly show "global warming," does it. it shows a sudden Ice Age.

They can't get it straight whether they want the Earth to cook or cool, they just want TEOTWAWKI and it to be all the Republicans' fault.

Anyway, I know the answer and you already said it, bingster: "How do you go back in time and prove a pattern that is irrefutable for the future?"

Well, you can't. We have data from the past, only. That shows, what, three or four warmish years? We cannot extrapolate to the future, because it hasn't happened yet. Making up future data? THOSE are some bad data. If the global warming control freaks could extrapolate to the future, they'd have predicted that snow we got last night. Whoops, they didn't, again.


Once again some fight the wrong fight.

Does climate change exist? Of course it does.

Does man have any bearing on that? No proof of that.

It's that simple.

[red states rule]

there is no doubt anout climate change. Every year we go from Spring into Summer. Fall into Winter.

All the rest of the climate change BS is an attempt to extort money form American taxpayers to finance more "green" energy programs

[mundame]

Once again some fight the wrong fight.

Does climate change exist? Of course it does.

Does man have any bearing on that? No proof of that.

It's that simple.



Some fight the wrong fight, all right. They WANT to talk about overpopulation, I think --- that's the real problem. Of course overpopulation is causing pollution is causing trouble, and of many kinds we can be sure about already without pretending we know the future. But they can't talk about overpopulation, because it's only blacks and browns and yellows who are over-populating. (Whites are depopulating everywhere, even in the United States, now.) They can't talk about people of color over-populating, that wouldn't be PC.

So they talk about "global warming" as a proxy. But they haven't got the data. So 1) they switch to "climate change." Still doesn't work, the data is not there either direction. 2) They lie in their propaganda. This is discovered. They are discredited.

Apart from 1 and 2, they've got the 3) problem: they cannot predict the climate. They can't predict the WEATHER, or the stock market, or any chaotic systems.

It's all political. They don't want data, they just want control. I think they need to go back to overpopulation and find a way to talk about that straight up.

[ConHog]

Some fight the wrong fight, all right. They WANT to talk about overpopulation, I think --- that's the real problem. Of course overpopulation is causing pollution is causing trouble, and of many kinds we can be sure about already without pretending we know the future. But they can't talk about overpopulation, because it's only blacks and browns and yellows who are over-populating. (Whites are depopulating everywhere, even in the United States, now.) They can't talk about people of color over-populating, that wouldn't be PC.

So they talk about "global warming" as a proxy. But they haven't got the data. So 1) they switch to "climate change." Still doesn't work, the data is not there either direction. 2) They lie in their propaganda. This is discovered. They are discredited.

Apart from 1 and 2, they've got the 3) problem: they cannot predict the climate. They can't predict the WEATHER, or the stock market, or any chaotic systems.

It's all political. They don't want data, they just want control. I think they need to go back to overpopulation and find a way to talk about that straight up.

WOW , that's all I can say

[red states rule]

http://cdn.motinetwork.net/politifake.org/image/political/0912/global-warming-protesters-funny-humor-climate-change-hoax-pr-political-poster-1260160570.jpg

[jafar00]

While you lot want to be a little warmer, we on the other hand need a break!

We will take your snow. All you can send us will be made into icecream!

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1528971.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/A+towering+red+dust+storm+over+the+ocean+ahead+of+ the+cyclone+approaching+Onslow+on+the+West+Austral ian+coast

http://uk.onlinenigeria.com/thumbnail.php?file=australia_fire_125463769.jpg&size=article_medium

[aboutime]

there is no doubt anout climate change. Every year we go from Spring into Summer. Fall into Winter.

All the rest of the climate change BS is an attempt to extort money form American taxpayers to finance more "green" energy programs


Since it has been proven AL GORE4390 did not invent the Internet. We can all feel reasonably sure...he does claim his Invention of Carbon Footprints, and Global Warming Hoaxes....which have made AL...4391one of the richest LYING, HYPOCRITES from the Democrat party on Earth.

[red states rule]

http://www.flixya.com/files-photo/s/t/u/stupendousramu-1493952.jpg

[fj1200]

While you lot want to be a little warmer, we on the other hand need a break!

We will take your snow. All you can send us will be made into icecream!

Are your out of control fires frequently exacerbated by poor management of forests by governmental agencies like they are here?

Will you send the ice cream back? :)

[red states rule]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41AOg7joA7L.jpg