Gun found in seven-year-old's backpack at New York City school

[jafar00]

This is what your lust for free and easy gun ownership is leading to. It seems that there are so many guns out there that a 7 year old was able to get hold of one to take to school.


(Reuters) - A handgun was found in the backpack of a 7-year-old boy at a New York City public elementary school on Thursday, triggering a brief lockdown amid heightened concern about gun violence in U.S. schools, officials said.
New York City Police Department spokesman John Grimpel said authorities are investigating how the unloaded .22-caliber handgun ended up in the child's backpack.
Police also found an ammunition clip and a flare gun in the bag belonging to the second-grade student, Grimpel said.
Officials locked down the Wave Preparatory Elementary School, located in Queens, for an hour, the New York City Education Department said.
In December a gunman killed 20 first-graders along with six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
On Wednesday President Barack Obama launched the biggest U.S. gun-control push in generations, urging Congress to approve an assault weapons ban and background checks for all gun buyers to prevent mass shootings like the Newtown massacre.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/18/us-usa-newyork-handgun-idUSBRE90H02S20130118

[tailfins]

This is what your lust for free and easy gun ownership is leading to. It seems that there are so many guns out there that a 7 year old was able to get hold of one to take to school.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/18/us-usa-newyork-handgun-idUSBRE90H02S20130118

He likely got it from the same person that supplies methamphetamine, oxycontin or xanax.

[Marcus Aurelius]

This is what your lust for free and easy gun ownership is leading to. It seems that there are so many guns out there that a 7 year old was able to get hold of one to take to school.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/18/us-usa-newyork-handgun-idUSBRE90H02S20130118

yes, lets certainly ban all guns everywhere because one moron didn't properly lock up his weapon.

Dumb ass.

[tailfins]

yes, lets certainly ban all guns everywhere because one moron didn't properly lock up his weapon.

Dumb ass.

I think there are too many narcotics on the streets; we should ban narcotics. That will solve the drug problem if we ban illegal drugs.

[jimnyc]

This is what your lust for free and easy gun ownership is leading to. It seems that there are so many guns out there that a 7 year old was able to get hold of one to take to school.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/18/us-usa-newyork-handgun-idUSBRE90H02S20130118

50 years ago a child could have taken a gun from an extremely irresponsible parent and brought it to school. The amount of guns have NOTHING to do with this. Heck, it DID happen over the years from irresponsible parents and gun owners. This isn't something gun ownership is "leading" to. And it's really no different than a parent who leaves the keys around, and a small child takes the car for a spin - which happens MUCH more often.

Irresponsibility and poor parenting. Nothing more and nothing less.

[tailfins]

I noticed the version of the story posted conveniently excluded that the brother of the seven year old was a gang-banger and likely hid the gun in the seven year old's backpack. How about we outlaw street gangs?

[jimnyc]

Let me tell a funny story, and while MUCH different, I think it's similar...

When I was in 1st grade, I had my first love interest. Can't remember her name. I wish Joanie was still here, she used to remind me all the time! Anyway, I was so in love at 5-6 years old, that I stole Mom's diamond engagement ring and gave it to her as a gift. I knew at such a young age that this was the girl I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.

Ok, story over. And what's the point? Kids do stupid shit! Now I know mine wasn't a gun and was no threat, but kids doing stupid shit with parents/family leaving things accessible, can lead to bad things. Now add in an irresponsible parent/brother who left a gun laying around, or in his bag, and you have this current story.

I'm willing to bet, that millions of guns ago, and 50 years earlier, that an occasional kid stole their irresponsible parents unlocked gun. The fix here isn't to amend the 2nd amendment, but hold parents responsible and educate both parents and kids more.

Another true story worth mentioning... While I was in grammar school, a guy in middle school stabbed one of his schoolmates to death. That was nearly 40 years ago. 40 years later, these knives kill more yearly than the scary weapons that so many are now vilifying.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I noticed the version of the story posted conveniently excluded that the brother of the seven year old was a gang-banger and likely hid the gun in the seven year old's backpack. How about we outlaw street gangs?

link?

[jimnyc]

Why no repeated threads on kids bringing drugs into school and sharing with their friends? This happens all the time, VERY much more so than guns. Drugs are already illegal/banned... Kids die from drugs, MUCH more so than from guns...

http://i.imgur.com/IRFkU.jpg

[tailfins]

link?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/handgun_found_student_backpack_of_BHhBdc8yDj7jgydG H3KKSK

Next time you find it. Bing/Google is your friend.

[jimnyc]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/handgun_found_student_backpack_of_BHhBdc8yDj7jgydG H3KKSK

Next time you find it. Bing/Google is your friend.

And may I ask - when gun bans are in place, and large clips no longer allowed, and registrations mandatory - how will that affect the gang members?

[Little-Acorn]

Another true story worth mentioning... While I was in grammar school, a guy in middle school stabbed one of his schoolmates to death. That was nearly 40 years ago. 40 years later, these knives kill more yearly than the scary weapons that so many are now vilifying.

"Gun control" isn't about guns. It's about control.

[tailfins]

And may I ask - when gun bans are in place, and large clips no longer allowed, and registrations mandatory - how will that affect the gang members?

It would likely increase their revenue because they will want to be compensated for the increased risk of arrest for supplying one.

[Marcus Aurelius]

(http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/handgun_found_student_backpack_of_BHhBdc8yDj7jgydG H3KKSK)
http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=607695#post607695)

link?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/handgun_found_student_backpack_of_BHhBdc8yDj7jgydG H3KKSK (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/handgun_found_student_backpack_of_BHhBdc8yDj7jgydG H3KKSK)

Next time you find it. Bing/Google is your friend.

Thanks for the link. As for your comment about finding it myself, I shouldn't HAVE to.

If someone wants to post something as an implied fact, it is incumbent upon them to prove it with a link to a credible source. I hold everyone to that standard, not just people I disagree with politically.

[Abbey Marie]

This is what your lust for free and easy gun ownership is leading to. It seems that there are so many guns out there that a 7 year old was able to get hold of one to take to school.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/18/us-usa-newyork-handgun-idUSBRE90H02S20130118

You should worry more about the kind of parenting that one child is getting, than about taking away guns from other responsible gun owners.

[tailfins]

Thanks for the link. As for your comment about finding it myself, I shouldn't HAVE to.

If someone wants to post something as an implied fact, it is incumbent upon them to prove it with a link to a credible source. I hold everyone to that standard, not just people I disagree with politically.

You bring up an interesting point. Your point of view implies that if someone hears something on the radio in traffic they must choose between not posting or providing freesearch (a newfangled word meaning a contraction between "free" and "research").

[Marcus Aurelius]

You bring up an interesting point. Your point of view implies that if someone hears something on the radio in traffic they must choose between not posting or providing freesearch (a newfangled word meaning a contraction between "free" and "research").

Not at all. They could certainly qualify their original statement by saying they heard it on the radio, etc. YOU didn't do that. You simply made a statement without any qualification or corroboration. HAD you qualified as such, I'd have researched rather than asked you to provide a link to back up your non-corroborated statement.

[tailfins]

Not at all. They could certainly qualify their original statement by saying they heard it on the radio, etc. YOU didn't do that. You simply made a statement without any qualification or corroboration. HAD you qualified as such, I'd have researched rather than asked you to provide a link to back up your non-corroborated statement.

OK, then. I read it yesterday and was too much of a lazy SOB to look it up again without complaining.

[Marcus Aurelius]

OK, then. I read it yesterday and was too much of a lazy SOB to look it up again without complaining.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/659441/rofl_emoticon.gif

[jimnyc]

Like I said - PARENTING. This kid DID NOT grab a gun and bring it to school.


(Reuters) - The mother of a 7-year-old New York City student who brought a handgun to his school in a book bag on Thursday has been arrested on multiple weapons possession and endangerment charges, police said on Friday.

New York police said Deborah Farley, 53, had put the gun in her son's school bag.

It was unclear why she had done so and whether the child was aware he was carrying the weapon when she dropped him off at his public elementary school, a police department spokeswoman said.

Farley is expected to be arraigned Friday afternoon. A call to her house was not immediately returned.

Around 7:30 a.m. on Thursday, according to police, Farley dropped the child off at Wave Preparatory Elementary School, located in Queens. Shortly afterwards, she returned to school, saying she had to take her son out of class for a dental appointment, the police said.

She then returned to the school once more at around 10:00 a.m., telling officials that her son had given a weapon, taken from his school bag, to another student.

The episode comes amid heightened concerns about school safely in the wake of a December shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, in which a gunman killed 20 first-graders and six adults.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/18/us-usa-newyork-handgun-idUSBRE90H15G20130118

[ConHog]

This is what your lust for free and easy gun ownership is leading to. It seems that there are so many guns out there that a 7 year old was able to get hold of one to take to school.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/18/us-usa-newyork-handgun-idUSBRE90H02S20130118

Am I the only one who notices the absurdity of a man who practices a religion that encourages people to kill themselves and others via a backpack filled with explosives is commenting on a child having a gun in his backpack?

[Marcus Aurelius]

Like I said - PARENTING. This kid DID NOT grab a gun and bring it to school.


(Reuters) - The mother of a 7-year-old New York City student who brought a handgun to his school in a book bag on Thursday has been arrested on multiple weapons possession and endangerment charges, police said on Friday.

New York police said Deborah Farley, 53, had put the gun in her son's school bag.

It was unclear why she had done so and whether the child was aware he was carrying the weapon when she dropped him off at his public elementary school, a police department spokeswoman said.

Farley is expected to be arraigned Friday afternoon. A call to her house was not immediately returned.

Around 7:30 a.m. on Thursday, according to police, Farley dropped the child off at Wave Preparatory Elementary School, located in Queens. Shortly afterwards, she returned to school, saying she had to take her son out of class for a dental appointment, the police said.

She then returned to the school once more at around 10:00 a.m., telling officials that her son had given a weapon, taken from his school bag, to another student.

The episode comes amid heightened concerns about school safely in the wake of a December shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, in which a gunman killed 20 first-graders and six adults.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/18/us-usa-newyork-handgun-idUSBRE90H15G20130118

Sounds like tailfins owes the kids gang-banger brother an apology :laugh:

[jafar00]

You should worry more about the kind of parenting that one child is getting, than about taking away guns from other responsible gun owners.

That's the reason why gun ownership needs to be more restricted. If you want a gun license, you should be required to have a proper lock up cabinet to ensure unauthorised people don't get their hands on your guns. You should also be held legally responsible if an unauthorised person takes your gun and kills someone should you fail to lock it up properly.


Am I the only one who notices the absurdity of a man who practices a religion that encourages people to kill themselves and others via a backpack filled with explosives is commenting on a child having a gun in his backpack?

My religion encourages nothing of the sort. In fact, both suicide and killing of innocent people (we call it murder) are mortal sins.

[jimnyc]

That's the reason why gun ownership needs to be more restricted. If you want a gun license, you should be required to have a proper lock up cabinet to ensure unauthorised people don't get their hands on your guns. You should also be held legally responsible if an unauthorised person takes your gun and kills someone should you fail to lock it up properly.

Or a parent that doesn't place a weapon in a child's bag?

[Marcus Aurelius]

My religion encourages nothing of the sort. In fact, both suicide and killing of innocent people (we call it murder) are mortal sins.

Yes, which explains why suicide bombers yell 'Allahu Akbar' before they go BOOM.

[tailfins]

That's the reason why gun ownership needs to be more restricted. If you want a gun license, you should be required to have a proper lock up cabinet to ensure unauthorised people don't get their hands on your guns. You should also be held legally responsible if an unauthorised person takes your gun and kills someone should you fail to lock it up properly.

Anyone who can get you weed can get you a gun. If they restrict guns, then they will only be able to get you weed, right?

[jafar00]

Anyone who can get you weed can get you a gun. If they restrict guns, then they will only be able to get you weed, right?

It would certainly make it a lot less likely that they could also get you a gun.

[ConHog]

It would certainly make it a lot less likely that they could also get you a gun.



bet it's already harder to get a gun in most of the US than it is in say Egypt. You don't see our youth running around with Ak47s do you?

[taft2012]

I noticed the version of the story posted conveniently excluded that the brother of the seven year old was a gang-banger and likely hid the gun in the seven year old's backpack. How about we outlaw street gangs?

It was already an illegal firearm. And yet ....

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jafar00 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=608037#post608037)

It would certainly make it a lot less likely that they could also get you a gun.


bet it's already harder to get a gun in most of the US than it is in say Egypt. You don't see our youth running around with Ak47s do you?

When was the last time you saw a group of people celebrating in the US by firing automatic weapons into the air?

[jimnyc]

When was the last time you saw a group of people celebrating in the US by firing automatic weapons into the air?

I see that a lot at weddings in MANY Islamic countries. I don't have an issue if they own such weapons - but the action is irresponsible - and it also shows that a lot of foreigners own guns just like Americans, or they own illegal guns.

[jafar00]

bet it's already harder to get a gun in most of the US than it is in say Egypt. You don't see our youth running around with Ak47s do you?

No. It's very hard to find a gun in Egypt. I never met an Egyptian outside of the Police or Army that did have a gun. Gun control is enforced there. Remember, they were able to depose their Dictator without using guns.


I see that a lot at weddings in MANY Islamic countries. I don't have an issue if they own such weapons - but the action is irresponsible - and it also shows that a lot of foreigners own guns just like Americans, or they own illegal guns.

Nobody fired a gun at my wedding. You might find them in warzones or out in the middle of the desert where nobody cares about law enforcement though.

[ConHog]

No. It's very hard to find a gun in Egypt. I never met an Egyptian outside of the Police or Army that did have a gun. Gun control is enforced there. Remember, they were able to depose their Dictator without using guns.



Nobody fired a gun at my wedding. You might find them in warzones or out in the middle of the desert where nobody cares about law enforcement though.

You're a liberal Muslim terrorist.

The end

;)

[darin]

Proof positive backpacks are used illegally! If we had more reasonable laws against backpacks, schools, or mothers this would not have happened

[ConHog]

Proof positive backpacks are used illegally! If we had more reasonable laws against backpacks, schools, or mothers this would not have happened


I wonder who is running some of these schools. Our school requires all backpacks or bookbags to be clear.

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/09/10/74/06/0009107406631_AV1_60X60.gif

problem solved

[Marcus Aurelius]

No. It's very hard to find a gun in Egypt. I never met an Egyptian outside of the Police or Army that did have a gun. Gun control is enforced there. Remember, they were able to depose their Dictator without using guns.


.

you are so completely full of shit.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/egypt

Number of Privately Owned FirearmsThe estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Egypt is 1,900,000

Market Cost of an AK-47 Assault Rifle (US$)The asking price for an AK-47 pattern assault weapon in Egypt is reported to be US$300

Carrying Guns Openly in PublicIn Egypt, carrying a firearm in plain view in a public place is allowed, subject to a valid permit19


Carrying Hidden Handguns in PublicIn Egypt, carrying a concealed firearm in a public place is allowed, subject to a valid permit

[gabosaurus]

When was the last time you saw a group of people celebrating in the US by firing automatic weapons into the air?

Go to any Latino or Hindu wedding and you will likely find some celebrants firing weapons into the air.
Go to an Anglo wedding with an open bar and you can see people firing weapons at each other. :p

[ConHog]

Go to any Latino or Hindu wedding and you will likely find some celebrants firing weapons into the air.
Go to an Anglo wedding with an open bar and you can see people firing weapons at each other. :p

Round about these parts we call that a redneck wedding, and the bride and groom are usually kin.

:laugh2:

[tailfins]

Round about these parts we call that a redneck wedding, and the bride and groom are usually kin.

:laugh2:

Louisiana's finest incester.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yRdDnrB5kM

[ConHog]

Louisiana's finest incester.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yRdDnrB5kM

Yikes , dude mixed a little pedophilia in with his incest.

[tailfins]

Yikes , dude mixed a little pedophilia in with his incest.


That gives new meaning to "Family Tradition".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc4MafP-3Z8

[Kathianne]

I noticed the version of the story posted conveniently excluded that the brother of the seven year old was a gang-banger and likely hid the gun in the seven year old's backpack. How about we outlaw street gangs?

I was going to question where you 'got that info' but found it:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/17/police-7-year-old-brought-loaded-gun-to-school-in-queens/


...The mother of the 7-year-old boy was being questioned at the 101st Precinct stationhouse. CBS 2′s Tony Aiello has learned she ran to the school Thursday morning claiming her son had a dentist appointment, but police believe it was a pretext to search his bag, because she feared he had brought a gun to school.


In addition to questioning the boy’s mother, police also staked out the family’s Cornaga Avenue apartment building to talk to the much older half brothers of the 7-year-old, who may know where the firearms came from and how the boy got hold of them, CBS 2′s Carlin reported Thursday evening.

...



So, should this 7 year old be suspended for eons, because someone likely planted their guns in his book bag? Zero tolerance and all.

[Kathianne]

You bring up an interesting point. Your point of view implies that if someone hears something on the radio in traffic they must choose between not posting or providing freesearch (a newfangled word meaning a contraction between "free" and "research").

Nope, state that you 'heard it on the radio,' have searched but cannot find a link. Easy, peasy.

[Kathianne]

Proof positive backpacks are used illegally! If we had more reasonable laws against backpacks, schools, or mothers this would not have happened

I'm beginning to think there is another check box to be added to daily checklist. Parents sign off: My child's book bag is gun and drug free as of this morning.

Teacher: This morning as of 8:01, each of my 32 students book bags were clear regarding guns, ammo, and drugs. Class starts at 9:15.

[Abbey Marie]

I'm beginning to think there is another check box to be added to daily checklist. Parents sign off: My child's book bag is gun and drug free as of this morning.

Teacher: This morning as of 8:01, each of my 32 students book bags were clear regarding guns, ammo, and drugs. Class starts at 9:15.

Then we have to add the rule that airports have- never leave your luggage/backpack/brown bag lunch unattended.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Go to any Latino or Hindu wedding and you will likely find some celebrants firing weapons into the air.
Go to an Anglo wedding with an open bar and you can see people firing weapons at each other. :p

really? Here in the U.S.? Link please???