Wouldn't modifying the Fourth Amendment do more to reduce gun crime?

[tailfins]

Since guns that already illegal are the source of many gun crimes, wouldn't modifying the Fourth Amendment instead of the Second Amendment do more to reduce violent crime? If the police could do random, unannounced, thorough searches of dwellings think of all the illegal weapons and other evidence of planning a violent crime could be uncovered.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Since guns that already illegal are the source of many gun crimes, wouldn't modifying the Fourth Amendment instead of the Second Amendment do more to reduce violent crime? If the police could do random, unannounced, thorough searches of dwellings think of all the illegal weapons and other evidence of planning a violent crime could be uncovered.

Don't rush things.. They plan on getting around to that . What they plan would make the Gestapo proud!--Tyr

[fj1200]

Since guns that already illegal are the source of many gun crimes, wouldn't modifying the Fourth Amendment instead of the Second Amendment do more to reduce violent crime? If the police could do random, unannounced, thorough searches of dwellings think of all the illegal weapons and other evidence of planning a violent crime could be uncovered.

I hope you don't think that's a better solution.


Don't rush things.. They plan on getting around to that . What they plan would make the Gestapo proud!--Tyr

Aw geez. :rolleyes:

[mundame]

It'll happen. Just wait for the Revolution. Then YOU'll be the ones breaking down the doors at 3 AM.

And proud of it, because, see, the people whose houses you invade will be called the bad guys, so it'll be all right.

Those who gear up to fight monsters always become monsters themselves --- Nietzsche.

[fj1200]

Those who gear up to fight monsters always become monsters themselves --- Nietzsche.

:clap:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:clap:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nietzsche


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nietzsche

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A German philosopher of the late nineteenth century. Fredrick Nietszche began his academic career in philology, the study of languages and linguistic systems. He became an admirer of Wagner, with whom he later fell out. Following the publication of 'The Geneology of Morals', his main concern was to reaffirm life in 'the twilight of the idols'.
His phrase 'god is dead, we are all his murderers' was not an attack against religion as such, but against nihilism which believed in nothing on the one hand, and on the churches and christians who had sapped the true value and meaning out of life and religion on the other. Thus he claimed the churches were 'sepulchres', and the nihilists he urged to 'keep holy your highest hope'. That hope he grounded in the act of creation, and affirmed in the idea of 'eternal recurrence' - the ultimate affirmation of life.

These ideas are best outlined in 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra', in particular the sections 'The Tree on the Mountainside' and 'On the Three Metamorphoses'. In this last section he outlines how the human soul begins as 'a camel' wieghted down by loyalty to the old gods, then he must become a 'lion' and denounce them before becoming 'a child' who creates a new value and new meaning for his life.

Nietzsche owed much to Eastern, particularly Buddhist metaphysics, as well, I suspect, as being influenced by William Blake and Wagner. His is the same kind of reaffirming existential mission. His influence on the 20th C. existential...

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Nietzsche is dead.. That much can be verified. God's death can not be..-Tyr


I hope you don't think that's a better solution.



Aw geez. :rolleyes:

geez all that you want, the comment is accurate. Not shocking that a globalist like you would refuse to see the truth and then belittle it when its actually presented for others to consider.. --Tyr

[Marcus Aurelius]

It'll happen. Just wait for the Revolution. Then YOU'll be the ones breaking down the doors at 3 AM.

And proud of it, because, see, the people whose houses you invade will be called the bad guys, so it'll be all right.

Those who gear up to fight monsters always become monsters themselves --- Nietzsche.


Nietzsche is dead.

[tailfins]

I hope you don't think that's a better solution.



Aw geez. :rolleyes:

It comes down to what the priorities are. If the priority is reducing gun violence AT ANY COST, then the Fourth Amendment is on the table. One of my specialties it stating solutions that meet stated constraints. I haven't heard preserving the Fourth Amendment stated as one of the constraints in reducing gun violence.

[fj1200]

Nietzsche is dead.. That much can be verified. God's death can not be..-Tyr

And? I would guess you don't like the comment anyway in that it shows the lie of your torture position.


geez all that you want, the comment is accurate. Not shocking that a globalist like you would refuse to see the truth and then belittle it when its actually presented for others to consider.. --Tyr

I guess you now have two challenges; prove the comment's accuracy and prove I'm a "globalist." :) Or is globalist your new anti-fj meme since I'm no longer a "lib"?


It comes down to what the priorities are. If the priority is reducing gun violence AT ANY COST, then the Fourth Amendment is on the table. One of my specialties it stating solutions that meet stated constraints. I haven't heard preserving the Fourth Amendment stated as one of the constraints in reducing gun violence.

That doesn't tell me that you think it's a better solution. ;) I am pretty sure that there would be outcry from all corners against modifying the fourth, much more so than the outcry for limiting the second.

I would prefer that we don't modify any of the ten. :)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And? I would guess you don't like the comment anyway in that it shows the lie of your torture position.



I guess you now have two challenges; prove the comment's accuracy and prove I'm a "globalist." :) Or is globalist your new anti-fj meme since I'm no longer a "lib"?

What you truly are is up for debate but you are by no means a conservative IMHO. You are not even a solid Republican IMHO. You do have some lib in you and some socialist, so yes that and your past comments here make you more likely to be a globalist. As does many of your posted comments.
If the shoe fits
Don't cry
Don't deny
Don't even ask why
Intelligent people question exactly where you truly lie..--;)--Tyr

[fj1200]

What you truly are is up for debate but you are by no means a conservative IMHO. You are not even a solid Republican IMHO. You do have some lib in you and some socialist, so yes that and your past comments here make you more likely to be a globalist. As does many of your posted comments.
If the shoe fits
Don't cry
Don't deny
Don't even ask why
Intelligent people question exactly where you truly lie..--;)--Tyr

Prove it.

[tailfins]

That doesn't tell me that you think it's a better solution. ;) I am pretty sure that there would be outcry from all corners against modifying the fourth, much more so than the outcry for limiting the second.

I would prefer that we don't modify any of the ten. :)

Do you remember the robot episode from Gilligan's Island? They asked him how long it would take him to walk to Hawaii: His response was approximately 89 years. He didn't judge nor discourage the idea, he simply stated it would take 89 years. All I'm saying is that if gun violence must be reduced at ANY COST, modifying the Fourth Amendment is logically part of the conversation. Of course, I am opposed to the at ANY COST premise.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Prove it.

Prove it to whom. No need to because your replies speak for themselves.
Those intelligent enough to see need no proof , as to the others ff-them .. as I have no respect for such dunderheads anyways. ----Tyr

[fj1200]

Prove it to whom. No need to because your replies speak for themselves.
Those intelligent enough to see need no proof , as to the others ff-them .. as I have no respect for such dunderheads anyways. ----Tyr

If you can't prove it then by your own statement you are unintelligent.

[aboutime]

Since guns that already illegal are the source of many gun crimes, wouldn't modifying the Fourth Amendment instead of the Second Amendment do more to reduce violent crime? If the police could do random, unannounced, thorough searches of dwellings think of all the illegal weapons and other evidence of planning a violent crime could be uncovered.

NO, and NO!

Under NO circumstances should the 4th, 2nd, or any other Amendment be Modified.

That would become an open door Obama, Holder, and Every Democrat who ignore, and disobey the Constitution need to completely DELETE the Constitution.

Anyone who feels comfortable suggesting the Constitution needs changing. Makes me feel uncomfortable, and reminds me that they are NOT AWARE OF, or HEEDING the warnings of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin. All of whom knew. If anyone seeking more power is successful in changing the Constitution. FREEDOMS, RIGHTS, and LIBERTY will be lost.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If you can't prove it then by your own statement you are unintelligent.

You miss the point entirely genius.
I do not have to using my statements as you already prove it making yours past and present.-Tyr

[logroller]

Nietzsche is dead.
Does that discount his works or something?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Does that discount his works or something?

Not necessarily but it damn sure proves he wasn't God or even close.. ..-;)-Tyr

[aboutime]

Does that discount his works or something?


logroller. It sure does. But now. You should tell us why you think his death shouldn't mean something. Unless you admire the man.

[logroller]

Not necessarily but it damn sure proves he wasn't God or even close.. ..-;)-Tyr
Wtf are your talking about-- nitzche didn't say he was God, did he?

logroller. It sure does. But now. You should tell us why you think his death shouldn't mean something. Unless you admire the man.
His death means he was mortal; nothing more, nothing less. Even a mortal man's works, however, can live on. Historyisfilled with such works of man. Some believe that God Himself has instilled within us this concept of eternal life, by works, by reverence, by practice and worship , a modest life guided by love and philanthropy...it varies by Much through time and place; and different religions handle this concept of eternal life differently. These differences are not without criticism, leading some to believe that man has actually fabricated a dogmatic practice of worshipping a god which no longer represents the essence of the Creator-- this is what nitzche meant by killing God.
But in all sincerity, when basic sentence structure escapes your reasoning, existential philosophy is most definitely beyond your scope of concern.

[jafar00]

Since guns that already illegal are the source of many gun crimes, wouldn't modifying the Fourth Amendment instead of the Second Amendment do more to reduce violent crime? If the police could do random, unannounced, thorough searches of dwellings think of all the illegal weapons and other evidence of planning a violent crime could be uncovered.

Ahem.... Patriot Act...... cough...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Wtf are your talking about-- nitzche didn't say he was God, did he?

Sorry you didn't get it. No, he never declared himself to be God but many people place him and his intellect on par with or even above that of God. That was my point, he was just a man . And his quotes are often taken out of context , made to fit to support a totally different interpretation than that which he intended .
If one is going to admire great thinkers they would do well to study, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Madison, and the rest of this nation's founders! They only founded the greatest nation on earth along with writing the greatest governing document in man's history!!! -Tyr

[Kathianne]

It'll happen. Just wait for the Revolution. Then YOU'll be the ones breaking down the doors at 3 AM.

And proud of it, because, see, the people whose houses you invade will be called the bad guys, so it'll be all right.

Those who gear up to fight monsters always become monsters themselves --- Nietzsche.

You are referring to the liberals and their war on the rich and guns?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

His death means he was mortal; nothing more, nothing less. Even a mortal man's works, however, can live on. Historyisfilled with such works of man. Some believe that God Himself has instilled within us this concept of eternal life, by works, by reverence, by practice and worship , a modest life guided by love and philanthropy...it varies by Much through time and place; and different religions handle this concept of eternal life differently. These differences are not without criticism, leading some to believe that man has actually fabricated a dogmatic practice of worshipping a god which no longer represents the essence of the Creator-- this is what nitzche meant by killing God.
But in all sincerity, when basic sentence structure escapes your reasoning, existential philosophy is most definitely beyond your scope of concern.


This is from his friend Wagner__

“One must learn to love. This is what happens to us in music: first one has to learn to hear a figure and melody at all, to detect and distinguish it, to isolate it and delimit it as a separate life; then it requires some exertion and good will to tolerate it in spite of its strangeness, to be patient with its appearance and expression, and kindhearted about its oddity: finally there comes a moment when we are used to it, when we wait for it, when we sense that we should miss it if it were missing: and now it continues to compel and enchant us relentlessly until we have become its humble and enraptured lovers who desire nothing better from the world than it and only it.

But that is what happens to us not only in music: that is how we have learned to love all things that we now love. In the end we are always rewarded for our good will, our patience, fairmindedness, and gentleness with what is strange; gradually, it sheds its veil and turns out to be a new and indescribable beauty:that is its thanks for our hospitality. Even those who love themselves will have learned it in this way: for there is no other way. Love, too, has to be learned.”“One must learn to love. This is what happens to us in music: first one has to learn to hear a figure and melody at all, to detect and distinguish it, to isolate it and delimit it as a separate life; then it requires some exertion and good will to tolerate it in spite of its strangeness, to be patient with its appearance and expression, and kindhearted about its oddity: finally there comes a moment when we are used to it, when we wait for it, when we sense that we should miss it if it were missing: and now it continues to compel and enchant us relentlessly until we have become its humble and enraptured lovers who desire nothing better from the world than it and only it.

^^^^ I like Wagner better....-Tyr

[aboutime]

You are referring to the liberals and their war on the rich and guns?


Kathianne. That would be the logical answer they would avoid. But it is typical of Liberals to always refer to people like that who created the deranged, liberal mind-set that they agree with today.

[logroller]

Sorry you didn't get it. No, he never declared himself to be God but many people place him and his intellect on par with or even above that of God. That was my point, he was just a man . And his quotes are often taken out of context , made to fit to support a totally different interpretation than that which he intended .
If one is going to admire great thinkers they would do well to study, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Madison, and the rest of this nation's founders! They only founded the greatest nation on earth along with writing the greatest governing document in man's history!!! -Tyr
Did someone here do those things?
It so, prove it; otherwise your point is irrelevant.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Those who gear up to fight monsters always become monsters themselves --- Nietzsche.

Yes, logroller somebody brought up the subject , Nietzsche. Replies by myself and others are relevant because his words were introduced here .
Nietzsche was brought up and his influence and intellect cited as point of proof in this thread.
Do try reading all the posts my friend and we will not have to point out your errors like this. Just sayin'.-;)-Tyr

Is that proof enough or do you need a certified copy from mundane?

[bob-a-loo]

Why not a test market for whatever the government wants to do about guns. I suggest Chicago, the murder caital of America. They already have more gun laws on their books than any other City. Maybe the answer is to give all the law abiding citizens a gun.

[fj1200]

You miss the point entirely genius.
I do not have to using my statements as you already prove it making yours past and present.-Tyr

If you can't prove by my comments that I'm a "lib" then you are unintelligent as defined by your post. Geez, I didn't think I'd have to interpret your post for you.


Why not a test market for whatever the government wants to do about guns. I suggest Chicago, the murder caital of America. They already have more gun laws on their books than any other City. Maybe the answer is to give all the law abiding citizens a gun.

I thought Chicago was a test case already, in the opposite direction of course. Any thoughts on the results?

[aboutime]

Did someone here do those things?
It so, prove it; otherwise your point is irrelevant.


logroller. Why should anyone waste so much time trying to prove anything to you since you, and many others are IRRELEVANT?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What you truly are is up for debate but you are by no means a conservative IMHO. You are not even a solid Republican IMHO. You do have some lib in you and some socialist, so yes that and your past comments here make you more likely to be a globalist. As does many of your posted comments.
If the shoe fits
Don't cry
Don't deny
Don't even ask why
Intelligent people question exactly where you truly lie..--;)--Tyr

Prove what? That you aren't conservative? Have some lib in you ? some socialist too?
Your posts already do that quite well , no need for me to rehash all your posts because you object to reading the truth. And I will not, so declare your false victory and be done with it. I've gained my victory when others start to look at what you post and how you slip and slide ..:laugh:-Tyr

[aboutime]

Prove what? That you aren't conservative? Have some lib in you ? some socialist too?
Your posts already do that quite well , no need for me to rehash all your posts because you object to reading the truth. And I will not, so declare your false victory and be done with it. I've gained my victory when others start to look at what you post and how you slip and slide ..:laugh:-Tyr


Tyr. I'm beginning to suspect that logroller, and fj may also be...either related, or the same person.

If they were honest Conservatives. They would have no reason to come here and challenge all of us...at almost every turn, topic, thread, and in every post.

The Power of OBAMA is far-reaching, and I do believe. We are seeing the Encroachment of Obama-ism taking hold here.

[fj1200]

Prove what? That you aren't conservative? Have some lib in you ? some socialist too?
Your posts already do that quite well , no need for me to rehash all your posts because you object to reading the truth. And I will not, so declare your false victory and be done with it. I've gained my victory when others start to look at what you post and how you slip and slide ..:laugh:-Tyr

Prove your assertion of course. I don't declare false victory, that gambit belongs to your team. If you can't point to the posts then they must not exist. That challenge has been laid to you, and others, many a time with nary a result.


Tyr. I'm beginning to suspect that logroller, and fj may also be...either related, or the same person.

If they were honest Conservatives. They would have no reason to come here and challenge all of us...at almost every turn, topic, thread, and in every post.

The Power of OBAMA is far-reaching, and I do believe. We are seeing the Encroachment of Obama-ism taking hold here.

I see that any vestige of creativity has left your thinking ages ago. Besides, you folks should see that mere challenging of your "thought" process is not proof of any lack of conservatism. Besides, if you think you're being challenged at "every turn" you are sadly mistaken.

Oh, and point out my support of BO. :)

[aboutime]

Prove your assertion of course. I don't declare false victory, that gambit belongs to your team. If you can't point to the posts then they must not exist. That challenge has been laid to you, and others, many a time with nary a result.



I see that any vestige of creativity has left your thinking ages ago. Besides, you folks should see that mere challenging of your "thought" process is not proof of any lack of conservatism. Besides, if you think you're being challenged at "every turn" you are sadly mistaken.

Oh, and point out my support of BO. :)


fj. Your problem isn't convincing the rest of us to agree with you. We all have seen, with your endless rants about nothingness. You can't even convince yourself about anything.
Fact is, fj. Your biggest threat, or challenge here isn't the rest of us. It is YOU.
We have no need to pay attention to you. But you have a huge need to always be right in every case.
I laugh, remember how you did it before, and make comments like this to help your appeasing state of mind.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Prove your assertion of course. I don't declare false victory, that gambit belongs to your team. If you can't point to the posts then they must not exist. That challenge has been laid to you, and others, many a time with nary a result.



I see that any vestige of creativity has left your thinking ages ago. Besides, you folks should see that mere challenging of your "thought" process is not proof of any lack of conservatism. Besides, if you think you're being challenged at "every turn" you are sadly mistaken.

Oh, and point out my support of BO. :)


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Yes, he doesn't have the power to strike down laws. That's different than him telling certain Federal agencies to not enforce particular statutes.




Here you defend your boy obama!



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I'm amazed at how the two of you so botched the reading of what I clearly posted.
James said that he believes the State should not hold that much power over an individual that it retains the...




^^^^^^ Here you defend James and his socialism..



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Perhaps many won't see it as treason because there was nothing in there that rises to treason. The author :rolleyes: shouldn't blame the people when the document falls short.



^^^^Here you declare the Constitution wrong instead of the population or the politicians!

[jimnyc]

Ahem.... Patriot Act...... cough...

The Patriot Act in no way allows for random searches on homes, not even close. They probably have a lot more freedom to seek out terrorists and the like than most citizens would like, but they don't have a blank check to just go into any home and look for weapons and such.

[aboutime]

The Patriot Act in no way allows for random searches on homes, not even close. They probably have a lot more freedom to seek out terrorists and the like than most citizens would like, but they don't have a blank check to just go into any home and look for weapons and such.


jimnyc: We must remember. jafar is not a U.S. Citizen, and lives in OZ, where they do not have a Constitution like ours.

But the Patriot Act is just a Lucky, False Prophet kind of excuse used by those who are ignorant.
HERE is the Fourth Amendment...and jafar...no mention of the Patriot Act.



Tex (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment?quicktabs_10=0#quicktabs-10)t


AMENDMENT IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[logroller]

Yes, logroller somebody brought up the subject , Nietzsche. Replies by myself and others are relevant because his words were introduced here .
Nietzsche was brought up and his influence and intellect cited as point of proof in this thread.
Do try reading all the posts my friend and we will not have to point out your errors like this. Just sayin'.-;)-Tyr

Is that proof enough or do you need a certified copy from mundane?
Still, its irrelevant. I read the posts and it is you which offers proof to your blatant attack in the messenger-- influence and intellect were brought up only by you as proof to what-- Nobody here claimed he was God. You just go straight to personal attacks because the quote offered an unpleasant truth. Franklin was a notorious philanderer; Jefferson had sex with his slaves; indeed no man is without sin-- doesn't mean the truth in words and other works are tainted.


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^^^^^^ Here you defend James and his socialism..



^^^^Here you declare the Constitution wrong instead of the population or the politicians!












Learn to quote man. Can't make head or tails of the first quote; but I recall the second and yet again you premise treason upon that which the constitution does not support. That's not fj's fault for pointing that out; it is just your ignorance of law showing its ugly face again-- an unpleasant truth is presented and you attack the messenger. Lame dude.

[fj1200]

fj. Your problem isn't convincing the rest of us to agree with you. We all have seen, with your endless rants about nothingness. You can't even convince yourself about anything.
Fact is, fj. Your biggest threat, or challenge here isn't the rest of us. It is YOU.
We have no need to pay attention to you. But you have a huge need to always be right in every case.
I laugh, remember how you did it before, and make comments like this to help your appeasing state of mind.

I'm sorry I wasted time reading, and responding, to the above. You telling anyone about their endless rants is quite delicious irony. So please stop paying attention to me. :)

[aboutime]

​ LIBERALISM has taken over this thread. Nuff said.


I'm sorry I wasted time reading, and responding, to the above. You telling anyone about their endless rants is quite delicious irony. So please stop paying attention to me. :)



fj. I totally agree. YOU CERTAINLY ARE SORRY!

[fj1200]

Here you defend your boy obama!

Pointing out what powers the POTUS actually has is not defending the current office holder.


^^^^^^ Here you defend James and his socialism..

First I thought you were trying to catch me defending BO, :slap: and second, that wasn't James' socialism, that was his anarchism. I don't defend socialism, or anarchism for that matter, but I agree with limiting the powers of the State. Clearly it is you who is closer to socialism than I as you support the State's ability to deny human beings their God-given rights.


^^^^Here you declare the Constitution wrong instead of the population or the politicians!



I didn't declare the Constitution wrong, I declared the OP a piece of trash.


​ LIBERALISM has taken over this thread. Nuff said.

That's right, you guys keep posting. :)


fj. I totally agree. YOU CERTAINLY ARE SORRY!

I knew when I typed that you wouldn't be able to make any more out of than a unimaginative shot.

[aboutime]

That's right, you guys keep posting. :)



I knew when I typed that you wouldn't be able to make any more out of than a unimaginative shot.


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[fj1200]

So terrible for you. Being unable to change THE TRUTH, no matter how you try. It hurts you so much. Look at how you simply must always come here to get the....4307

What "truth" am I attempting to change?

[bingster]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nietzsche


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nietzsche
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A German philosopher of the late nineteenth century. Fredrick Nietszche began his academic career in philology, the study of languages and linguistic systems. He became an admirer of Wagner, with whom he later fell out. Following the publication of 'The Geneology of Morals', his main concern was to reaffirm life in 'the twilight of the idols'.
His phrase 'god is dead, we are all his murderers' was not an attack against religion as such, but against nihilism which believed in nothing on the one hand, and on the churches and christians who had sapped the true value and meaning out of life and religion on the other. Thus he claimed the churches were 'sepulchres', and the nihilists he urged to 'keep holy your highest hope'. That hope he grounded in the act of creation, and affirmed in the idea of 'eternal recurrence' - the ultimate affirmation of life.

These ideas are best outlined in 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra', in particular the sections 'The Tree on the Mountainside' and 'On the Three Metamorphoses'. In this last section he outlines how the human soul begins as 'a camel' wieghted down by loyalty to the old gods, then he must become a 'lion' and denounce them before becoming 'a child' who creates a new value and new meaning for his life.

Nietzsche owed much to Eastern, particularly Buddhist metaphysics, as well, I suspect, as being influenced by William Blake and Wagner. His is the same kind of reaffirming existential mission. His influence on the 20th C. existential...

more... (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nietzsche&defid=521780)

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Nietzsche is dead.. That much can be verified. God's death can not be..-Tyr

So's Ronald Reagan, what's your point? If we only stole quotes from living people we'd have very little worth saying.

[aboutime]

What "truth" am I attempting to change?


Once again..... fj Must have the.....4308

[bingster]

So's Ronald Reagan, what's your point? If we only stole quotes from living people we'd have very little worth saying.

Paul Ryan's favorite was always Ayn Rand. Her beliefs are just as controversial.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So's Ronald Reagan, what's your point? If we only stole quotes from living people we'd have very little worth saying.

My point was that Nieztsche is not only dead but was not God. And his death is a proven fact.
His declaration that God is dead ,was boasting, idiocy or arrogance. And possibly all three.
Thus his supposed brilliance falls far short of the heights its been put up to be by his admirers.
Additionally , I pointed out that many of his quotes were deliberately taken out of context to push for a far different meaning.. One that he obviously did not share.. -Tyr

[logroller]

My point was that Nieztsche is not only dead but was not God. And his death is a proven fact.
His declaration that God is dead ,was boasting, idiocy or arrogance. And possibly all three.
Thus his supposed brilliance falls far short of the heights its been put up to be by his admirers.
Additionally , I pointed out that many of his quotes were deliberately taken out of context to push for a far different meaning.. One that he obviously did not share.. -Tyr
Except God being dead wasn't the quoted proferred in this thread. Nonetheless, I explained the meaning behind that quote-- that you failed to comprehend that indicates its beyond your reasoning power. Nor have you offered the context of the original quote to show how it want analogous to the subject -- just more fallacies. :yawn:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Except God being dead wasn't the quoted proferred in this thread. Nonetheless, I explained the meaning behind that quote-- that you failed to comprehend that indicates its beyond your reasoning power. Nor have you offered the context of the original quote to show how it want analogous to the subject -- just more fallacies. :yawn:

THAT YOU MISSED THE POINT WAS ABOUT NEIZTSCHE'S SUPPOSED SUPERIOR INTELLECT BEING A GREAT MYTH IS NOT REALLY THAT AMAZING WHEN CONSIDERING HOW MUCH YOU MISS ENTIRELY AND HOW OFTEN!
Simply amazing how much you miss and how you seem to have no capacity to fill in any gaps omitted by others(not me) because you fail to have a well rounded knowledge of so many subjects. That you need so much explained to you is sad IMHO.I have been quite generous in indulging you by simplifying things for you so often but you can push it too far log. -Tyr

[logroller]

THAT YOU MISSED THE POINT WAS ABOUT NEIZTSCHE'S SUPPOSED SUPERIOR INTELLECT BEING A GREAT MYTH IS NOT REALLY THAT AMAZING WHEN CONSIDERING HOW MUCH YOU MISS ENTIRELY AND HOW OFTEN!
Simply amazing how much you miss and how you seem to have no capacity to fill in any gaps omitted by others(not me) because you fail to have a well rounded knowledge of so many subjects. That you need so much explained to you is sad IMHO.I have been quite generous in indulging you by simplifying things for you so often but you can push it too far log. -Tyr
I've little doubt his intellect was superior to your own-- so your personal attacks based on such reasoning renders your point frivolous. Care to address the context of the monster quote and its analogous use in this thread referring to the security of rights through the fourth amendment and prove me wrong?


THAT YOU MISSED THE POINT WAS ABOUT NEIZTSCHE'S SUPPOSED SUPERIOR INTELLECT BEING A GREAT MYTH IS NOT REALLY THAT AMAZING WHEN CONSIDERING HOW MUCH YOU MISS ENTIRELY AND HOW OFTEN!
Simply amazing how much you miss and how you seem to have no capacity to fill in any gaps omitted by others(not me) because you fail to have a well rounded knowledge of so many subjects. That you need so much explained to you is sad IMHO.I have been quite generous in indulging you by simplifying things for you so often but you can push it too far log. -Tyr
Here's a fun point of fact:
You attacked NEIZTSCHE as a source of the quote, rambling on about his arrogance, non- intellectual blather...yet you sourced urbandictionary.com. :laugh:

The only time I'd use that source is to provide a slang definition for the expanded information provided; things like space docking, rusty trombones, angry pirates and strawberry shortcake. (If you don't know, don't look it up!) That you would use such for examining Nieztsche... Classic Tyr; never short on irony are ya? Not that I'm surprised; I mean, you continually offer opinion as proof rather than legal rulings and actual laws. I'd bet you've read more CLiff's notes than classics. That's pretty much the story though, right? Talk about ignoring context and spirit. :slap:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I've little doubt his intellect was superior to your own-- so your personal attacks based on such reasoning renders your point frivolous. Care to address the context of the monster quote and its analogous use in this thread referring to the security of rights through the fourth amendment and prove me wrong?

Your opinion of my abilities obviously mean very little to me. Now you attempt to shift from my ridicule of Neitzche's supposed intellect when originally you failed to even get that point made by me until I explained it!
Neitzche was quoted in this thread not first by myself but by another. I grabbed a quick link to post then added my own views. Did so because some of the lesser lights here demand a link or else they think all information posted is invalid. The link wasn't that important to me because I could go to my library and quote from a book and cite the page number but time is precious to me. Myself , I have no need to prove you anything. You make this too personal. Too bad, let your ego go and learn for a change. My brain can not beat your computer and google but it surely can beat your brain. I do quite well face to face debating and my memory is nowhere near as great as it used to be! Chill dill, last three times we went at it you didn't fair so well. I'd hate to see you exile yourself again , ok?? Besides I'm attempting to keep my New Years resolution of being much nicer!-Tyr

[logroller]

Your opinion of my abilities obviously mean very little to me. Now you attempt to shift from my ridicule of Neitzche's supposed intellect when originally you failed to even get that point made by me until I explained it!
Neitzche was quoted in this thread not first by myself but by another. I grabbed a quick link to post then added my own views. Did so because some of the lesser lights here demand a link or else they think all information posted is invalid. The link wasn't that important to me because I could go to my library and quote from a book and cite the page number but time is precious to me. Myself , I have no need to prove you anything. You make this too personal. Too bad, let your ego go and learn for a change. My brain can not beat your computer and google but it surely can beat your brain. I do quite well face to face debating and my memory is nowhere near as great as it used to be! Chill dill, last three times we went at it you didn't fair so well. I'd hate to see you exile yourself again , ok?? Besides I'm attempting to keep my New Years resolution of being much nicer!-Tyr
What's a matter tyr-- can't debate the subject? The original quote I'm well aware of -- you have failed to address it . Why? Because you sell snake oil -- empty rhetoric devoid of logic and continuity. This thread is yet another example. The subject was the fourth amend; a quote was introduced which had some relation-- so you introduce another quote, unrelated to the first, and call it proof of something...which it is I guess; your shortness of attention and lack of knowledge. Whatever man-- take it back to the sharia and treason thread- here's not the place.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What's a matter tyr-- can't debate the subject? The original quote I'm well aware of -- you have failed to address it . Why? Because you sell snake oil -- empty rhetoric devoid of logic and continuity. This thread is yet another example. The subject was the fourth amend; a quote was introduced which had some relation-- so you introduce another quote, unrelated to the first, and call it proof of something...which it is I guess; your shortness of attention and lack of knowledge. Whatever man-- take it back to the sharia and treason thread- here's not the place.

^^^^^ This from the clown that had to have the point made about Neiztche explained to him not once but at least twice! Simply incredible!
You came on making replies without even reading much of the previous posts and then when its explained to you you go about acting the fool.
How about my using your own quotes tonight to prove you declared me a monster ,which you denied after having only made it a short time before? Selective memory and false accusations are your game. And then after that you declared me a "monster" for suggesting obama have his day in a court of law! Logic is not your strong suit I see..-Tyr

[bingster]

My point was that Nieztsche is not only dead but was not God. And his death is a proven fact.
His declaration that God is dead ,was boasting, idiocy or arrogance. And possibly all three.
Thus his supposed brilliance falls far short of the heights its been put up to be by his admirers.
Additionally , I pointed out that many of his quotes were deliberately taken out of context to push for a far different meaning.. One that he obviously did not share.. -Tyr

Well, worse yet, Ayn Rand didn't believe in God.

[logroller]

^^^^^ This from the clown that had to have the point made about Neiztche explained to him not once but at least twice! Simply incredible!
You came on making replies without even reading much of the previous posts and then when its explained to you you go about acting the fool.
How about my using your own quotes tonight to prove you declared me a monster ,which you denied after having only made it a short time before? Selective memory and false accusations are your game. And then after that you declared me a "monster" for suggesting obama have his day in a court of law! Logic is not your strong suit I see..-Tyr
this thread isnt about Obama; or God! If it's just about your soapboxing; fail to answer the below and ill just ignore you from now on and save myself the energy.
What i asked, and what you have failed to do, is explain the relevance of your point. I understand he was not God-- i just don't understand why it matters in his thread. Seems a pretty simple request-- asking you why and how your point is relevant to the subject of fourth amendment procedures. Care to address the subject at hand; that if the government breaks the law to catch a criminal; they have, in fact, became the criminal. Now exchange criminal for monster; and you have the applied rationale for the quote -- now what does Nietzsche being dead or not God have to do with that? Evidence some contextual conflict; something, anything besides irrelevant factoids.

[tailfins]

I didn't declare the Constitution wrong, I declared the OP a piece of trash.

You think the premise that a willingness to tamper with the Second Amendment implies a willingness to tamper with the Fourth Amendment is a piece of trash?

[fj1200]

You think the premise that a willingness to tamper with the Second Amendment implies a willingness to tamper with the Fourth Amendment is a piece of trash?

I was referring to the thread that tyr quoted. Sorry for the mix up.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

this thread isnt about Obama; or God! If it's just about your soapboxing; fail to answer the below and ill just ignore you from now on and save myself the energy.
What i asked, and what you have failed to do, is explain the relevance of your point. I understand he was not God-- i just don't understand why it matters in his thread. Seems a pretty simple request-- asking you why and how your point is relevant to the subject of fourth amendment procedures. Care to address the subject at hand; that if the government breaks the law to catch a criminal; they have, in fact, became the criminal. Now exchange criminal for monster; and you have the applied rationale for the quote -- now what does Nietzsche being dead or not God have to do with that? Evidence some contextual conflict; something, anything besides irrelevant factoids.

Good God, you really are that damn dense! I didn't bring Neiztche into this thread but I damn sure commented on him when another member brought up his name and a quote by him. Kiss my ass you idjit, you don't get to tell me that I can not comment on that . Furthermore it was you that came on asking questions about my comments because you are about as dense as a piece of granite!
You figure out what it does seeing as how you still haven't got it after its been explained to you at least three times already.!
I get it, you are still pissed about our three previous encounters and my lack of respect for your imagined greatness here. Well, tough shat buddy. Try not being so damn dense and tell your twin FJ that goes for him as well. I still think you two are the one and the same person..-Tyr

[aboutime]

Good God, you really are that damn dense! I didn't bring Neiztche into this thread but I damn sure commented on him when another member brought up his name and a quote by him. Kiss my ass you idjit, you don't get to tell me that I can not comment on that . Furthermore it was you that came on asking questions about my comments because you are about as dense as a piece of granite!
You figure out what it does seeing as how you still haven't got it after its been explained to you at least three times already.!
I get it, you are still pissed about our three previous encounters and my lack of respect for your imagined greatness here. Well, tough shat buddy. Try not being so damn dense and tell your twin FJ that goes for him as well. I still think you two are the one and the same person..-Tyr



Tyr. logroller is so convinced, and brainwashed over Neiztche. It seems his entire, narrow world is wrapped around that one man, and his idea's...that strike a chord...just like the Liberal, Ill-educated who voted for Obama.
If it sounds good, and makes you feel amazed at hearing someone talk so well....Like an Obama, but without the honesty to disclose, or recognize the errors of their ways. It must be Liberally Correct, and remain Unchallenged by anyone who doesn't believe.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr. logroller is so convinced, and brainwashed over Neiztche. It seems his entire, narrow world is wrapped around that one man, and his idea's...that strike a chord...just like the Liberal, Ill-educated who voted for Obama.
If it sounds good, and makes you feel amazed at hearing someone talk so well....Like an Obama, but without the honesty to disclose, or recognize the errors of their ways. It must be Liberally Correct, and remain Unchallenged by anyone who doesn't believe.

Exactly. He and I have had three previous major tango's and he lost so badly the third one that he exiled himself for a few weeks. Yet he calls me ignorant and a "monster". A "monster' for my suggesting that Congress pass laws not allowing Sharia law to gain a foothold here in this nation. He then pisses around twisting my words and pretending I've advocated denying muslims their rights(religious or civil) , as if Sharia law is a damn right. He pretends this great intellect but then reveals his lack of integrity, lying to aid his failing presentation and arrogance to boot. Whats worse is he admits not knowing much about Sharia law and having no desire to learn! Yet defends it , pretends to be an expert on it and declares it no threat . No threat he declares but later admitting his massive lack of knowledge on the subject. Its mind numbing his ego and arrogance! Yet he declares me ignorant!!--Tyr

[logroller]

Tyr. logroller is so convinced, and brainwashed over Neiztche. It seems his entire, narrow world is wrapped around that one man, and his idea's...that strike a chord...just like the Liberal, Ill-educated who voted for Obama.
If it sounds good, and makes you feel amazed at hearing someone talk so well....Like an Obama, but without the honesty to disclose, or recognize the errors of their ways. It must be Liberally Correct, and remain Unchallenged by anyone who doesn't believe.

Fwiw , Nietzsche is not one of favorites. but the monster quite was relevant IMO, I've already explained why in a direct response to you...yet you failed to respond. What's a matter-- baseless personal attacks all you got? Care to discuss the veracity of the quote in relation to government usurpation of privacy rights?