Permits Rise, Crime Falls

[Kathianne]

Over and over again.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html


California gun sales jump; gun injuries, deaths fall By Phillip Reese (http://www.sacbee.com/search_results/?sf_pubsys_story_byline=Phillip%20Reese&link_location=top)
preese@sacbee.com The Sacramento Bee
By Phillip Reese The Sacramento Bee
Last modified: 2012-12-29T21:56:25Z
Published: Thursday, Dec. 27, 2012 - 7:11 pm
Last Modified: Saturday, Dec. 29, 2012 - 1:56 pm

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<!-- end: support/hnews/itemlicense.ett --> <!-- CLOSE: #story_header --> Gun deaths and injuries have dropped sharply in California, even as the number of guns sold in the state has risen, according to new state data.


Dealers sold 600,000 guns in California last year, up from 350,000 in 2002, according to records of sale tallied by the California Attorney General's office (http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/dros_chart.pdf?).



During that same period, the number of California hospitalizations due to gun injuries declined from about 4,000 annually to 2,900, a roughly 25 percent drop, according to hospital records collected by the California Department of Public Health (http://epicenter.cdph.ca.gov/).
Firearm-related deaths fell from about 3,200 annually to about 2,800, an 11 percent drop, state health figures show.
Most of the drop in firearm-related injuries and deaths can be explained by a well-documented, nationwide drop in violent crime.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/sirens/2012/oct/29/americas-violent-crime-rate-keeps-falling/)


During that same period, the number of California hospitalizations due to gun injuries declined from about 4,000 annually to 2,900, a roughly 25 percent drop, according to hospital records collected by the California Department of Public Health (http://epicenter.cdph.ca.gov/).
Firearm-related deaths fell from about 3,200 annually to about 2,800, an 11 percent drop, state health figures show.
Most of the drop in firearm-related injuries and deaths can be explained by a well-documented, nationwide drop in violent crime.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/sirens/2012/oct/29/americas-violent-crime-rate-keeps-falling/)

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html#storylink=cpy



During that same period, the number of California hospitalizations due to gun injuries declined from about 4,000 annually to 2,900, a roughly 25 percent drop, according to hospital records collected by the California Department of Public Health (http://epicenter.cdph.ca.gov/).


Firearm-related deaths fell from about 3,200 annually to about 2,800, an 11 percent drop, state health figures show.


Most of the drop in firearm-related injuries and deaths can be explained by a well-documented, nationwide drop in violent crime.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/sirens/2012/oct/29/americas-violent-crime-rate-keeps-falling/)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Over and over again.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html

Truth that will be adamantly rejected by the usual suspects! A sad reality !!
A reality that bodes ill for this nation... one that is being massively exploited by obama , his admin and the sold out press.. --Tyr

[aboutime]

Over and over again.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html



Kathianne. All of that is Totally, Unfamiliar Territory for Obama and the Democrats. Most of us call it REALITY, and others call it TRUTH.

And we must not forget. The Prime Anti-gun Senator...Feinstein, should also be investigated for contributions from the Anti-gun Whacko's.

[Kathianne]

Somewhere I made a mistake. I thought the topic was the fallacy of gun restrictions, somehow it seems to be on Obama administration.

The point I thought I was making is that for many years, indeed over 2 decades, research has shown that when gun permits rise, crime falls.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html


Question: What does the title mean: More Guns, Less Crime?

John R. Lott, Jr.: States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes. Thirty-one states now have such laws—called “shall-issue” laws. These laws allow adults the right to carry concealed handguns if they do not have a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness.


Question: It just seems to defy common sense that crimes likely to involve guns would be reduced by allowing more people to carry guns. How do you explain the results?


Lott: Criminals are deterred by higher penalties. Just as higher arrest and conviction rates deter crime, so does the risk that someone committing a crime will confront someone able to defend him or herself. There is a strong negative relationship between the number of law-abiding citizens with permits and the crime rate—as more people obtain permits there is a greater decline in violent crime rates. For each additional year that a concealed handgun law is in effect the murder rate declines by 3 percent, rape by 2 percent, and robberies by over 2 percent.


Concealed handgun laws reduce violent crime for two reasons. First, they reduce the number of attempted crimes because criminals are uncertain which potential victims can defend themselves. Second, victims who have guns are in a much better position to defend themselves.

Question: What is the basis for these numbers?


Lott: The analysis is based on data for all 3,054 counties in the United States during 18 years from 1977 to 1994.


Question: Your argument about criminals and deterrence doesn’t tell the whole story. Don’t statistics show that most people are killed by someone they know?


Lott: You are referring to the often-cited statistic that 58 percent of murder victims are killed by either relatives or acquaintances. However, what most people don’t understand is that this “acquaintance murder” number also includes gang members killing other gang members, drug buyers killing drug pushers, cabdrivers killed by customers they picked up for the first time, prostitutes and their clients, and so on. “Acquaintance” covers a wide range of relationships. The vast majority of murders are not committed by previously law-abiding citizens. Ninety percent of adult murderers have had criminal records as adults.


Question: But how about children? In March of this year [1998] four children and a teacher were killed by two school boys in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Won’t tragedies like this increase if more people are allowed to carry guns? Shouldn’t this be taken into consideration before making gun ownership laws more lenient?


Lott: The horrific shooting in Arkansas occurred in one of the few places where having guns was already illegal. These laws risk creating situations in which the good guys cannot defend themselves from the bad ones. I have studied multiple victim public shootings in the United States from 1977 to 1995. These were incidents in which at least two or more people were killed and or injured in a public place; in order to focus on the type of shooting seen in Arkansas, shootings that were the byproduct of another crime, such as robbery, were excluded. The effect of “shall-issue” laws on these crimes has been dramatic. When states passed these laws, the number of multiple-victim shootings declined by 84 percent. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90 percent, and injuries by 82 percent.


For other types of crimes, I find that both children as well as adults are protected when law-abiding adults are allowed to carry concealed handguns.


Finally, after extensively studying the number of accidental shootings, there is no evidence that increasing the number of concealed handguns increases accidental shootings. We know that the type of person who obtains a permit is extremely law-abiding and possibly they are extremely careful in how they take care of their guns. The total number of accidental gun deaths each year is about 1,300 and each year such accidents take the lives of 200 children 14 years of age and under. However, these regrettable numbers of lives lost need to be put into some perspective with the other risks children face.

Despite over 200 million guns owned by between 76 to 85 million people, the children killed is much smaller than the number lost through bicycle accidents, drowning, and fires. Children are 14.5 times more likely to die from car accidents than from accidents involving guns.


Question: Wouldn’t allowing concealed weapons increase the incidents of citizens attacking each other in tense situations? For instance, sometimes in traffic jams or accidents people become very hostile—screaming and shoving at one another. If armed, might people shoot each other in the heat of the moment?


Lott: During state legislative hearings on concealed-handgun laws, possibly the most commonly raised concern involved fears that armed citizens would attack each other in the heat of the moment following car accidents. The evidence shows that such fears are unfounded. Despite millions of people licensed to carry concealed handguns and many states having these laws for decades, there has only been one case where a person with a permit used a gun after a traffic accident and even in that one case it was in self-defense.

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[aboutime]

Somewhere I made a mistake. I thought the topic was the fallacy of gun restrictions, somehow it seems to be on Obama administration.

The point I thought I was making is that for many years, indeed over 2 decades, research has shown that when gun permits rise, crime falls.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html


Has anyone disagreed with you Kathianne?

[Kathianne]

Has anyone disagreed with you Kathianne?

The mistake as I thought I made clear, must have been on my side. To try and remedy, I posted an edit.

[fj1200]

...Feinstein, should also be investigated for contributions from the Anti-gun Whacko's.

Is there a crime in that?

[aboutime]

Is there a crime in that?

Yes. If that is what her ulterior motive is, and has been for making so much noise. As she has done before. And this time, using the CT school shooting to feather her nest. All the while, pretending she has not DOG in the HUNT.

[fj1200]

Yes. If that is what her ulterior motive is, and has been for making so much noise. As she has done before. And this time, using the CT school shooting to feather her nest. All the while, pretending she has not DOG in the HUNT.

What would that crime be?

[logroller]

What would that crime be?
Treason;)

[fj1200]

Treason;)

The crime du jour it would seem.