Human Rights Watch says Gaza militants violated laws of war

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/24/group-says-gaza-palestinians-violated-laws-war-during-november-fighting/?test=latestnews


Human Rights Watch says Gaza militants violated laws of war by launching hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians during last month's fighting.

The Israeli military says 1,500 rockets were fired at Israel during the eight-day offensive against Gaza militants, including the first rockets from Gaza to strike the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem areas.
The rocket attacks killed three Israeli civilians and wounded dozens.


HRW's Sarah Leah Whitson said in the group's report on Monday that "Palestinian armed groups made clear in their statements that harming civilians was their aim."


This is what people like Jahil support.

[aboutime]

I do believe most all of us feel the same way. Even as jafar continues to use the typical, expected Denial tactics HE SEEMS TO BELIEVE.....All of Us accept, without question.

You really CANNOT, and NEVER WILL teach A ROCK....to Think. Some rocks are harder than others as jafar happily proves.

[jafar00]

My guess is they got fed up with Israel violating International Law on a daily basis so off came the gloves.

[revelarts]

Do you think Allah of the Koran or Jehovah of the Torah are very please with any of the parties in question at this point?
killing women and Children, Creating the fatherless and widows?

I wonder
What would Mohamed Do?
What would Moses Do? maybe David?

[jafar00]

I wonder
What would Mohamed Do?
What would Moses Do? maybe David?

Probably defend themselves.

[Voted4Reagan]

My guess is they got fed up with Israel violating International Law on a daily basis so off came the gloves.

Blah Blah Blah....

HISTORICAL FACT - The day after Israel was founded the palestinians and the combined armies of the Arab world Attacked Israel.

Historical Fact - THE PALESTINIANS AND ARABS FIRED FIRST!!!

When you fire first... you are the aggressor.... That would be the Arabs, Palestinians

When you fire SECOND - you are the DEFENDER. Israel Fired Second...

Hence we can conclude since there was no peace treaty signed between most of the Arab World and Israel, that ISRAEL IS STILL ON THE DEFENSIVE.

Egypt and Jordan being the only two countries smart enough to know that peace with Israel is better then WAR.

JAfar.... ARABS are the aggressors.. The Israelis are simply defending...

Arabs from DAY ONE have always FIRED FIRST on Israel..

[revelarts]

Probably defend themselves.

And you somehow didn't answer my 1st question?

[Drummond]

My guess is they got fed up with Israel violating International Law on a daily basis so off came the gloves.

... Same old stuff ...

Jafar, we all know that Israel can never be in the right ... from your point of view. Hamas fire rockets at Israel, these land on schools or hospitals, and who do you contrive to blame ? Israel ... 'of course' ...

Israel, you see, has done Something Incredibly Naughty. Something the Arab world cannot forgive.

It actually dares to exist.

[aboutime]

Probably defend themselves.


jafar. You brag about being a businessman. But I, and probably many others tend to think you are more of a Teacher. Teaching hatred, ignorance, stupidity, dumbness, and sadly....how to be retarded in every way.

And the terrible thing about that is. YOU ARE SO GOOD AT ALL OF THEM.

[jafar00]

And you somehow didn't answer my 1st question?


Did you need an answer for it except for "No"?



... Same old stuff ...


Jafar, we all know that Israel can never be in the right ... from your point of view. Hamas fire rockets at Israel, these land on schools or hospitals, and who do you contrive to blame ? Israel ... 'of course' ...


Israel, you see, has done Something Incredibly Naughty. Something the Arab world cannot forgive.


It actually dares to exist.


I don't like rockets to land on schools or hospitals. Actually very few actually land anywhere except for in fields and on roads.


They are unguided missiles. Just point in the general direction, light the fuse and hope it hits something worthwhile.


The BIG difference is that Israel has high tech, guided weapons, yet they DELIBERATELY target schools, hospitals, ambulances and other civilian infrastructure.



Blah Blah Blah....


HISTORICAL FACT - The day after Israel was founded the palestinians and the combined armies of the Arab world Attacked Israel.


Historical Fact - THE PALESTINIANS AND ARABS FIRED FIRST!!!


When you fire first... you are the aggressor.... That would be the Arabs, Palestinians


When you fire SECOND - you are the DEFENDER. Israel Fired Second...


Hence we can conclude since there was no peace treaty signed between most of the Arab World and Israel, that ISRAEL IS STILL ON THE DEFENSIVE.


Egypt and Jordan being the only two countries smart enough to know that peace with Israel is better then WAR.


JAfar.... ARABS are the aggressors.. The Israelis are simply defending...


Arabs from DAY ONE have always FIRED FIRST on Israel..


Eh? After enduring years of Jewish terrorism, then being forced from their ancestral homes at gunpoint, and you say the Palestinians fired first!?! That's a pretty distorted view of reality. Ignoring what went previously, the first shot was the creation of Israel and the ethnic cleansing that resulted from it.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Probably defend themselves.

By purposely targeting civilians, like Hamas does? I doubt it, Jahil.

[Marcus Aurelius]

... Same old stuff ...

Jafar, we all know that Israel can never be in the right ... from your point of view. Hamas fire rockets at Israel, these land on schools or hospitals, and who do you contrive to blame ? Israel ... 'of course' ...

Israel, you see, has done Something Incredibly Naughty. Something the Arab world cannot forgive.

It actually dares to exist.

How DARE Israel put schools and hospitals where Hamas wants to send rockets. The NERVE!

[Marcus Aurelius]

The BIG difference is that Israel has high tech, guided weapons, yet they DELIBERATELY target schools, hospitals, ambulances and other civilian infrastructure.

Complete utter bullshit, just like your false religion that venerates a prophet who was a pedophile.

[Gaffer]

Did you need an answer for it except for "No"?





I don't like rockets to land on schools or hospitals. Actually very few actually land anywhere except for in fields and on roads.


They are unguided missiles. Just point in the general direction, light the fuse and hope it hits something worthwhile.


The BIG difference is that Israel has high tech, guided weapons, yet they DELIBERATELY target schools, hospitals, ambulances and other civilian infrastructure.





Eh? After enduring years of Jewish terrorism, then being forced from their ancestral homes at gunpoint, and you say the Palestinians fired first!?! That's a pretty distorted view of reality. Ignoring what went previously, the first shot was the creation of Israel and the ethnic cleansing that resulted from it.

What complete and utter bullshit. You buy into the false history and lies of the arabs completely, and then try to spread the lies even further.

There were, at one time, Zionist terrorist. They targeted the British forces in order to establish a state of Israel. That's what a Zionist is. Someone that wants the reestablishment of the state of Israel. Since Israel now exists there is no need of Zionists and calling Israel and Jews Zionists is totally inaccurate and simply name calling in a derogatory fashion. It's a sign of ignorance and the arabs and muslims have a real monopoly on ignorance.

[Drummond]

I don't like rockets to land on schools or hospitals. Actually very few actually land anywhere except for in fields and on roads.

They are unguided missiles. Just point in the general direction, light the fuse and hope it hits something worthwhile.

The BIG difference is that Israel has high tech, guided weapons, yet they DELIBERATELY target schools, hospitals, ambulances and other civilian infrastructure.

If you don't like rockets to land on schools or hospitals, Jafar, then stop supporting the terrorists who arrange such things !!!

You say that Hamas rockets are 'unguided' ? Then Hamas fires them NOT KNOWING who they'll kill. If 'unguided', Jafar, it cannot be claimed that Hamas are firing at military positions, CAN IT ?? In which case, Jafar, they're doing what terrorist scum normally do, namely, killing for killings' sake !! Killing anyone unfortunate enough to be at the missile's destination.

Take a look at the contents of this link, Jafar. THIS IS WHAT YOU SUPPORT ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012

You will find there's much to read. Learn for yourself what the murderous scum got up to, JUST in 2012 (to date ..) ...

I shall quote just a small portion of what's reported -


<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 12</dt></dl>Palestinians fired 42 rockets into Israel.


During the night, seven Qassam rockets were fired into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council). One landed in a village and damaged several homes and vehicles.
In the morning, three rockets were fired at Beersheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba). One was intercepted by Iron Dome and the two others landed outside the city. A warning siren sounded in the city.
In the morning, five rockets fired at Ashdod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdod) were intercepted by Iron Dome. At least one additional rocket landed near the city. The Color Red alarm sounded in the city and surrounding areas.
Two trucks that were transporting goods from Israel into the Gaza Strip were damaged by mortar shells on the Gazan side of the Kerem Shalom border crossing.
A Qassam rocket landed in the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
Two Qassam rockets landed in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaar_Hanegev_Regional_Council).
Around 1 pm, two Grad rockets exploded near Beersheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba). Air raid sirens sounded in the city.
Around 1:30 pm, a Qassam rocket fired from the northern Gaza Strip exploded in the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
Around 1:30 pm, one or two rockets landed near Gedera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedera). Two vehicles were damaged, and several people suffered from shock.
Around 2:30 pm, three rockets exploded in the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
Around 2:30 pm, a rocket exploded in Ashdod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdod). Two people were injured by shrapnel, and several other people suffered from shock. Damage was to caused to stores and a vehicle. Two other rockets fired at the city were intercepted by Iron Dome.
Around 4:30 pm, a rocket exploded near Ofakim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofakim).
Around 5 pm, a rocket fired at Ashdod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdod) was intercepted by Iron Dome.
Around 6:30 pm, two rockets exploded in the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
Around 8 pm, two rockets fired at Ashkelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon) were intercepted by Iron Dome. A third rocket landed in an open area. Air raid sirens sounded in the city.
Around 9 pm, two mortar shells were fired into Israel.
Around 10 pm, a Qassam rocket exploded in the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).

<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 13</dt></dl>Despite an informal ceasefire, Palestinians fired at least 7 rockets and 10 mortars at Israel.


Before morning, a rocket exploded in the Shaar Hanegev Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaar_Hanegev_Regional_Council).
In the morning, a mortar shell landed in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon_Coast_Regional_Council).
In the morning, a Qassam rocket exploded in the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
Around 10:30 am, a mortar shell fired at the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon_Coast_Regional_Council) set off the Color Red alarm in the area, but it apparently landed within the Gaza Strip.
Around noon, six mortar shells were fired into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
Around 7 pm, a Qassam rocket was fired into the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon_Coast_Regional_Council).
Around 8 pm, a mortar shell was fired into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
Around 11 pm, a rocket exploded in a parking lot in Netivot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netivot). A 40-year-old man was injured by shrapnel, and 20 people were treated for shock. Several vehicles were damaged.

<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 14</dt></dl>Around 7 pm, a Grad rocket fired at Beersheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba) was intercepted by Iron Dome. A second rocket landed in an empty field. Neither projectile caused injuries or damage. Following the attack, local authorities announced that schools in Ashdod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdod), Ashkelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon), Beersheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba), Kiryat Gat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryat_Gat), Kiryat Malachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryat_Malachi), Gan Yavne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gan_Yavne) and the Bnei Shimon Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnei_Shimon_Regional_Council) would be closed for March 15. Some schools had been open on March 14 after the recent escalation was perceived as having ended. Israel responded to the attack with air strikes on an infiltration tunnel and a rocket launching site.
<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 15</dt></dl>Palestinians fired a barrage of rockets into Israel. The attacks were praised by Hezbollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah) Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Nasrallah), who, in a Hezbollah graduation ceremony, lauded that fact that "the resistance was able to force a million and half a million of Israelis to stay in shelters". Details of individual attacks:


In the morning, Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket into the Sdot Negev Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sdot_Negev_Regional_Council) near Netivot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netivot).
Several hours later, a Grad rocket fired at Beersheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba) was intercepted by Iron Dome. Air raid sirens sounded in the area.
After nightfall, a Grad rocket fired at Ashdod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdod) was intercepted by Iron Dome, and air raid sirens sounded in the area.
Around 9 pm, a rocket was fired into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
Around 9:30 pm, a rocket exploded in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon_Coast_Regional_Council).

March 16–31

<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 16</dt></dl>Before morning, Palestinians fired a rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council).
<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 19</dt></dl>In the morning, Palestinians fired a rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council), causing no injuries or damage.
<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 20</dt></dl>In the morning, Palestinians fired a rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council), causing no injuries or damage.
<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 21</dt></dl>In the evening, Palestinians fired a rocket into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council). Later, a mortar shell was fired into the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha%27ar_Hanegev_Regional_Council). This was followed moments later by a second mortar shell fired at Israel Defense Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces) soldiers near the border fence. No injuries or damage were reported in any of the attacks.
<dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dt style="font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">March 29</dt></dl>In the evening, Palestinians fired three mortar shells into the Eshkol Regional Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshkol_Regional_Council), causing no injuries or damage.

April

In April, according to the Israel Security Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Security_Agency)'s monthly summary, Palestinians launched 10 rockets at Israel in 9 separate attacks. Two of these rockets were launched from the Sinai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai) in Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt)
Are you proud of your support of that trash, Jafar ? Gives you a 'warm, fuzzy feeling', eh ?

Quoting this from the above text ...


Palestinians fired a barrage of rockets into Israel. The attacks were praised by Hezbollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah) Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Nasrallah), who, in a Hezbollah graduation ceremony, lauded that fact that "the resistance was able to force a million and half a million of Israelis to stay in shelters".

Terrorist scum love their terrorism. Evidently so.

You talk about the so-called 'high tech' weapons that Israel has. But you know, as do we all, that Hamas deliberately site their facilities close to civilian areas and institutions, meaning that Israel has enormous difficulty in FAILING to hit civilians.

And by the way .. Jafar, explain this. If you're OK with indiscriminate killings perpetrated by Hamas (and Hamas don't fire rockets 'for sport', BUT TO KILL), tell me, why do you consider it an outrage if Israel ever kills civilians ?? Hamas knows what may come of their attacks, but they launch them anyway. And keep launching them.

Try condemning what THEY do ...

.. but of course, you won't. No matter what the cost may be in human lives. Tell me I'm wrong if you can.

[NightTrain]

Did you need an answer for it except for "No"?





I don't like rockets to land on schools or hospitals. Actually very few actually land anywhere except for in fields and on roads.


They are unguided missiles. Just point in the general direction, light the fuse and hope it hits something worthwhile.


The BIG difference is that Israel has high tech, guided weapons, yet they DELIBERATELY target schools, hospitals, ambulances and other civilian infrastructure.





Eh? After enduring years of Jewish terrorism, then being forced from their ancestral homes at gunpoint, and you say the Palestinians fired first!?! That's a pretty distorted view of reality. Ignoring what went previously, the first shot was the creation of Israel and the ethnic cleansing that resulted from it.


It is truly amazing that someone that is obviously educated can so blindly buy into such bullshit - and continue to willfully restate the distorted version of history that is so easily disproved by literally millions of different websites.

You continually prove yourself to be today's version of "Baghdad Bob" when being interviewed by CNN during the Iraq invasion, telling the cameras that there were no Americans within hundreds of miles as an M1A1 Abrams Tank rumbled past in the background on the way to secure the airport in Baghdad.

Arabs like you continue to be the problem, when you could be part of the solution.

The continuing bloodshed is on your hands between the civilized world and you savages, directly due to the insane bullshit that you continually parrot from some sun-stroked Imam that decided to re-write history for the rest of you sheep that don't have enough intelligence to open your eyes and truly educate yourself.

Do everyone here a favor and stop talking about your "Palestinians". There has never been a nation of Palestine. You are talking about displaced arabs who were residents of territory lost in multiple ill-conceived wars by surrounding arab countries that got their asses kicked. Be accurate and call them what they are - "Defeated Egyptians", "Defeated Lebonese" and "Defeated Syrians".

[jafar00]

If you don't like rockets to land on schools or hospitals, Jafar, then stop supporting the terrorists who arrange such things !!!

You say that Hamas rockets are 'unguided' ? Then Hamas fires them NOT KNOWING who they'll kill. If 'unguided', Jafar, it cannot be claimed that Hamas are firing at military positions, CAN IT ?? In which case, Jafar, they're doing what terrorist scum normally do, namely, killing for killings' sake !! Killing anyone unfortunate enough to be at the missile's destination.

Take a look at the contents of this link, Jafar. THIS IS WHAT YOU SUPPORT ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012

You will find there's much to read. Learn for yourself what the murderous scum got up to, JUST in 2012 (to date ..) ...

I shall quote just a small portion of what's reported -

I noticed no deaths recorded and the vast majority of the rockets landed in open fields or hit the council (government) which I say is a legitimate target in war.

It's also important to point out that at the time, there was a war going on between Israel and Gaza. Your link missed out the actions of the other side and fails to record the DEATHS of Palestinians at the same time.

Operation Returning Echo[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2012_Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_clashes#cite_note-3) (מבצע הד חוזר) was an Israel Defense Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces) (IDF) military operation in the Gaza Strip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) from March 9 until March 14, 2012. It was the worst outbreak



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2012_Gaza–Israel_clashes


It is truly amazing that someone that is obviously educated can so blindly buy into such bullshit - and continue to willfully restate the distorted version of history that is so easily disproved by literally millions of different websites.

I don't read websites with a pro Israeli agenda that twist the truth. How many villages were emptied and erased since Israel was created out of thin air? How many Israelis are living in formerly Palestinian homes?


Arabs like you continue to be the problem, when you could be part of the solution.

I'm not Arab :)

[aboutime]

Did you need an answer for it except for "No"?





I don't like rockets to land on schools or hospitals. Actually very few actually land anywhere except for in fields and on roads.


They are unguided missiles. Just point in the general direction, light the fuse and hope it hits something worthwhile.


The BIG difference is that Israel has high tech, guided weapons, yet they DELIBERATELY target schools, hospitals, ambulances and other civilian infrastructure.





Eh? After enduring years of Jewish terrorism, then being forced from their ancestral homes at gunpoint, and you say the Palestinians fired first!?! That's a pretty distorted view of reality. Ignoring what went previously, the first shot was the creation of Israel and the ethnic cleansing that resulted from it.


jafar. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT REALITY WAS IF IT BIT YOU IN THE ASS. Your form of reality is limited to defending those who play rhetorical games with other human beings' lives...and you applaud it...as long as they are Israeli. You can't deny it, or hide it. But then. That's exactly how Professional Liars, and Wordsmiths operate. Your problem is. NONE of us believe your BS. How do you breathe with CRAP running from your lips? Pretending to be Obama-like?

[Marcus Aurelius]

I don't read websites with a pro Israeli agenda that twist the truth.

We know, Jahil. You read websites with an anti-Israeli agenda that twist the truth.

[Drummond]

I noticed no deaths recorded and the vast majority of the rockets landed in open fields or hit the council (government) which I say is a legitimate target in war.

... um ... how, Jafar, does 'no deaths recorded' excuse what Hamas gets up to ??

Fact is, Jafar, that each and every one of those rockets fired has the potential to kill. Do you imagine that Hamas terrorists launch them with the intention of NOT harming anyone ??

Imagine yourself in the street in your neighbourhood, just walking along, not offending anybody, taking a break from 'DebatePolicy' blogging ... Suddenly, a terrorist opens fire on you, firing several bullets in your general direction, but NONE hit you, and none fired do any other meaningful damage.

Would your attitude to this be:-

1. You'd want the aggressor caught, and face justice for the attack, or ...

2. You'd consider that as none of the bullets harmed you, the attacker has reason not only to evade justice, but to expect some kind of SUPPORT for the act of aggression committed .. ??

Somehow, Jafar, I doubt you'd choose option #2. YET, this is just the approach you're using in support of Hamas, whose rockets may kill anyone at any time !!!


It's also important to point out that at the time, there was a war going on between Israel and Gaza. Your link missed out the actions of the other side and fails to record the DEATHS of Palestinians at the same time.

I argue with your claim that it was a 'war'. Terrorist actions should not be given the status of 'nationalistic legitimacy', because no such thing should apply. Hamas are dedicated to Israel's destruction, but then, they were, long before they ruled any territory. All that's really true is that terrorists have found a base from which to launch as much murder as they can manage.

The truth is that terrorists try to murder and maim innocents, and that - every so often - Israel commits itself to policing actions to counter them.

Or, if you prefer, Israel embarks on some pest control.

From this link:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2012_Gaza–Israel_clashes

... I see this ...


According to the IDF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces), though the PRC denies this, Al-Qaisi had overseen the 2011 southern Israel cross-border attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_southern_Israel_cross-border_attacks), which killed eight Israelis including six civilians. Israeli officials said that he was preparing the final stages of a new mega-attack that could have claimed multiple lives. Palestinian militant groups retaliated by launching rocket attacks on Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel), with over 300 Grad missiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grad_missile), Qassam rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rockets) and mortar shells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortar_shell) launched, of which 177 hit Israeli territory striking the major urban centers of Ashdod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdod), Ashkelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon) and Beersheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba), as well as smaller communities. Twenty-three Israelis were injured, all of them civilians, and schools throughout southern Israel were kept closed for most of the week to protect students from rocket fire.

So those rocket launches are far from harmless, Jafar. And yes, deaths do occur as a result of them.


The United States, France, and an official from the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) condemned the Palestinian attacks, and the US stressed that Israel has the right to defend itself

Yes. Exactly.

[aboutime]

... um ... how, Jafar, does 'no deaths recorded' excuse what Hamas gets up to ??

Fact is, Jafar, that each and every one of those rockets fired has the potential to kill. Do you imagine that Hamas terrorists launch them with the intention of NOT harming anyone ??

Imagine yourself in the street in your neighbourhood, just walking along, not offending anybody, taking a break from 'DebatePolicy' blogging ... Suddenly, a terrorist opens fire on you, firing several bullets in your general direction, but NONE hit you, and none fired do any other meaningful damage.

Would your attitude to this be:-

1. You'd want the aggressor caught, and face justice for the attack, or ...

2. You'd consider that as none of the bullets harmed you, the attacker has reason not only to evade justice, but to expect some kind of SUPPORT for the act of aggression committed .. ??

Somehow, Jafar, I doubt you'd choose option #2. YET, this is just the approach you're using in support of Hamas, whose rockets may kill anyone at any time !!!



I argue with your claim that it was a 'war'. Terrorist actions should not be given the status of 'nationalistic legitimacy', because no such thing should apply. Hamas are dedicated to Israel's destruction, but then, they were, long before they ruled any territory. All that's really true is that terrorists have found a base from which to launch as much murder as they can manage.

The truth is that terrorists try to murder and maim innocents, and that - every so often - Israel commits itself to policing actions to counter them.

Or, if you prefer, Israel embarks on some pest control.

From this link:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2012_Gaza–Israel_clashes

... I see this ...



So those rocket launches are far from harmless, Jafar. And yes, deaths do occur as a result of them.



Yes. Exactly.


Drummond. I think we now know WHY jafar is living in the safety of Australia, and not with his compatriots in the Hamas circle of YOU CAN SHOOT ROCKETS BECAUSE...they aren't really killing Israeli's.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

jafar should prove his worth to all of us, and move from OZ back to where his Hamas Brothers of Death can welcome his Ignorance, and willingness to KILL those who disagree in any way with him.

How bout it jafar?
Would you like to prove to the rest of us you AREN'T THE COWARD we all know you to be????

[jafar00]

Imagine yourself in the street in your neighbourhood, just walking along, not offending anybody, taking a break from 'DebatePolicy' blogging ... Suddenly, a terrorist opens fire on you, firing several bullets in your general direction, but NONE hit you, and none fired do any other meaningful damage.

Would your attitude to this be:-

1. You'd want the aggressor caught, and face justice for the attack, or ...

2. You'd consider that as none of the bullets harmed you, the attacker has reason not only to evade justice, but to expect some kind of SUPPORT for the act of aggression committed .. ??

Somehow, Jafar, I doubt you'd choose option #2. YET, this is just the approach you're using in support of Hamas, whose rockets may kill anyone at any time !!!

Do you expect the Palestinians to also select option #2? The majority of Israeli attacks against DO result in deaths.


I argue with your claim that it was a 'war'. Terrorist actions should not be given the status of 'nationalistic legitimacy', because no such thing should apply. Hamas are dedicated to Israel's destruction, but then, they were, long before they ruled any territory. All that's really true is that terrorists have found a base from which to launch as much murder as they can manage.


The attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq were also terrorist acts then. Palestine vs Israel is also a war. One of the very survival and indeed the national identity of the participants.

[jafar00]

Drummond. I think we now know WHY jafar is living in the safety of Australia, and not with his compatriots in the Hamas circle of YOU CAN SHOOT ROCKETS BECAUSE...they aren't really killing Israeli's.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

jafar should prove his worth to all of us, and move from OZ back to where his Hamas Brothers of Death can welcome his Ignorance, and willingness to KILL those who disagree in any way with him.

How bout it jafar?
Would you like to prove to the rest of us you AREN'T THE COWARD we all know you to be????

Damn you got me. I'm a pacifist. Sorry for not amassing a huge arsenal of weapons in my home.

[aboutime]

Jafar. The self-acclaimed master of DOUBLE-TALK.

What a waste of time.

[Drummond]

Do you expect the Palestinians to also select option #2? The majority of Israeli attacks against DO result in deaths.

THEY INVITE THOSE ATTACKS, JAFAR.

Do you expect Israel to let leaders of terrorism go unmolested ?? YES, they'll attack them, and YES, because those terrorists are cowards, they'll arrange for others to be in close proximity, as human shields.


The attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq were also terrorist acts then.

THERE WE HAVE IT. Jafar, anti-terrorism acts are justified !!


Palestine vs Israel is also a war.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Terrorism is a criminal act. Israel's actions against criminals are a policing action.


One of the very survival and indeed the national identity of the participants.

You refer, of course, to much-beleaguered ISRAEL ?

[Drummond]

Damn you got me. I'm a pacifist. Sorry for not amassing a huge arsenal of weapons in my home.

Is this the most outrageous claim you've yet made, Jafar ?

Jafar - get this ....

PACIFISTS, JAFAR, DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISTS !!!!!!

[Kathianne]

Damn you got me. I'm a pacifist. Sorry for not amassing a huge arsenal of weapons in my home.

Yet, is there a reason that you, who purports to be so inline with Hamas and all they are doing to dismantle the Israeli state; now joined with Muslim Brotherhood, with same goal; indeed, both are backed by your hero state, Iran. Now you should align with one or both, perhaps a 3rd choice, Iran and all she backs?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Is this the most outrageous claim you've yet made, Jafar ?

Jafar - get this ....

PACIFISTS, JAFAR, DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISTS !!!!!!

^^^^^ Point made clearly and resoundingly!!!--:beer:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yet, is there a reason that you, who purports to be so inline with Hamas and all they are doing to dismantle the Israeli state; now joined with Muslim Brotherhood, with same goal; indeed, both are backed by your hero state, Iran. Now you should align with one or both, perhaps a 3rd choice, Iran and all she backs?

Jafar's problem is that the actions and goals of those he proudly claims such support for are known worldwide for their aggression, murder and terrorism! This obvious fact shoots full of holes his presentation of merely being a supporter of besieged and beleaguered people seeking a proper redress of their grievances!
For him to be truly sincere in his presentation he would have to have a blind spot a hundred miles wide and a thousand miles deep IMHO! I say that because its obvious that he is an intelligent man , fully capable of using google to research the facts to find the the truth. -Tyr

[jafar00]

THEY INVITE THOSE ATTACKS, JAFAR.

Do you expect Israel to let leaders of terrorism go unmolested ?? YES, they'll attack them, and YES, because those terrorists are cowards, they'll arrange for others to be in close proximity, as human shields.

Likewise, do you expect the Palestinians to sit back and be literally wiped from the map without lifting a finger to defend themselves?


Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Terrorism is a criminal act. Israel's actions against criminals are a policing action.

That's what THEY call it. No amount of explanations will justify what Israel has been doing for the last 6+ decades.


Yet, is there a reason that you, who purports to be so inline with Hamas and all they are doing to dismantle the Israeli state; now joined with Muslim Brotherhood, with same goal; indeed, both are backed by your hero state, Iran. Now you should align with one or both, perhaps a 3rd choice, Iran and all she backs?

Hamas I could understand since Ahmedinejad seems so interested in the Palestine/Israel conflict but Ikhwan allied with Iran? Don't you realise what you are saying?

[aboutime]

Likewise, do you expect the Palestinians to sit back and be literally wiped from the map without lifting a finger to defend themselves?



That's what THEY call it. No amount of explanations will justify what Israel has been doing for the last 6+ decades.



Hamas I could understand since Ahmedinejad seems so interested in the Palestine/Israel conflict but Ikhwan allied with Iran? Don't you realise what you are saying?


jafar. Where would you prefer to live...other than Australia now...if you had a choice. Honestly?
Would you feel more comfortable, and safe in GAZA, or in ISRAEL?
AND, would you prefer to be threatened 24/7 by Hamas Missile attacks, or Defensive, retribution from Israeli's?
ONE HONEST ANSWER WILL SET YOU FREE!

[jafar00]

jafar. Where would you prefer to live...other than Australia now...if you had a choice. Honestly?
Would you feel more comfortable, and safe in GAZA, or in ISRAEL?
AND, would you prefer to be threatened 24/7 by Hamas Missile attacks, or Defensive, retribution from Israeli's?
ONE HONEST ANSWER WILL SET YOU FREE!

If I had a choice, I'd rather be back in Malaysia right now.

[Drummond]

Likewise, do you expect the Palestinians to sit back and be literally wiped from the map without lifting a finger to defend themselves?

The inhabitants of Gaza voted terrorists into power. Terrorism is all about aggression, death and destruction (as their many attacks with comparatively unguided missiles prove) ... NOT defence ! Hamas has, as a core objective, the destruction of Israel. This is not a 'defensive' position, Jafar. Very far from it.


That's what THEY call it. No amount of explanations will justify what Israel has been doing for the last 6+ decades.

Israel was given the right to exist as a Nation State back in 1948 by the United Nations. The Palestinians have been opposed to their existence throughout, and have backed this up with DECADES OF TERRORISM. Israel has been defending itself from the attacks resulting from that terrorism.

These are FACTS, Jafar. Israel has a right to exist. Moreover, it has a right to exist in peace and with its security guaranteed. If given the chance, Hamas would destroy ALL of that.

But then, they would. THEY ARE TERRORIST SCUM.

Observe this ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#International_designation_of_Hamas

You will see from the table that Hamas is widely recognised in the civilised world (I stress, CIVILISED WORLD) as the terrorist group it is. Countries doing so include mine, AND YOURS.

But take heart, Jafar. Apparently Norway disagrees ... so, that's all right, then ... !!

[Kathianne]

Likewise, do you expect the Palestinians to sit back and be literally wiped from the map without lifting a finger to defend themselves?



That's what THEY call it. No amount of explanations will justify what Israel has been doing for the last 6+ decades.



Hamas I could understand since Ahmedinejad seems so interested in the Palestine/Israel conflict but Ikhwan allied with Iran? Don't you realise what you are saying?

http://pjmedia.com/blog/wikileaks-cables-reveal-muslim-brotherhood-ties-to-iran/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19347574

http://freebeacon.com/the-cairo-tehran-express/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/14/egypt-polarised-referendum-new-constitution

[aboutime]

If I had a choice, I'd rather be back in Malaysia right now.


jafar. Once again. You avoided answering my question. I gave you a choice of Two specific places. Gaza or Israel.

So. As expected, and predictably. You FAILED again. Would you like to try again? Or are you comfortable NOT BEING HONEST?

[NightTrain]

Likewise, do you expect the Palestinians to sit back and be literally wiped from the map without lifting a finger to defend themselves?

You are a fool.

If Israel wanted to destroy those animals, they would do so in a matter of hours with ruthless efficiency and the problem would be solved.




That's what THEY call it. No amount of explanations will justify what Israel has been doing for the last 6+ decades.

That's what the educated civilized world calls it.

Only muslim fools like you and liberals buy into anything else.

[aboutime]

You are a fool.

If Israel wanted to destroy those animals, they would do so in a matter of hours with ruthless efficiency and the problem would be solved.





That's what the educated civilized world calls it.

Only muslim fools like you and liberals buy into anything else.

NightTrain. Might as well forget trying with jafar. A total waste of time, and his only intent here is to cause Endless Hate, and Discontent.
He never honestly answers any questions, and instead....creates other questions to perpetuate his phony Hamas-like thinking, preaching, and False Prophet Foaming at the mouth.
Just watch, and enjoy. This is how the pretenders operate. Like fishermen with huge BAIT, until they catch you, and look like that HUGE SHARK...feeding off of the Little Shark. No work involved for the Big Shark....JOB DONE.

[NightTrain]

NightTrain. Might as well forget trying with jafar. A total waste of time, and his only intent here is to cause Endless Hate, and Discontent.
He never honestly answers any questions, and instead....creates other questions to perpetuate his phony Hamas-like thinking, preaching, and False Prophet Foaming at the mouth.
Just watch, and enjoy. This is how the pretenders operate. Like fishermen with huge BAIT, until they catch you, and look like that HUGE SHARK...feeding off of the Little Shark. No work involved for the Big Shark....JOB DONE.



Oh, no worries.

I quickly categorized him long ago as the muslim version of Gabby, albeit more educated.

I really doubt he believes half the bullshit he says, I'm convinced he says it to stir the pot.

Or as the kids say, "Doing it for the lulz"

[jafar00]

The inhabitants of Gaza voted terrorists into power. Terrorism is all about aggression, death and destruction (as their many attacks with comparatively unguided missiles prove) ... NOT defence ! Hamas has, as a core objective, the destruction of Israel. This is not a 'defensive' position, Jafar. Very far from it.

I don't agree. As soon as Hamas won the election, Israel began it's blockade and incursions in earnest. Hamas is very much on the defensive.


Israel was given the right to exist as a Nation State back in 1948 by the United Nations. The Palestinians have been opposed to their existence throughout, and have backed this up with DECADES OF TERRORISM. Israel has been defending itself from the attacks resulting from that terrorism.

Let's play a game.

If the UN decided tomorrow that your town and your house now belonged to a bunch of heavily armed Romanian Gypsies, would you happily hand them the keys and move elsewhere?

What if you were forced to move out at gunpoint and relocated to a desolate part of the Scottish Highlands and placed under siege where they continually attacked you? Would you just sit back and let them do it, or would you act?


jafar. Once again. You avoided answering my question. I gave you a choice of Two specific places. Gaza or Israel.

So. As expected, and predictably. You FAILED again. Would you like to try again? Or are you comfortable NOT BEING HONEST?

You asked me where I would prefer to live apart from Australia. I answered.

Now, if the choice were Gaza or Israel, I would choose neither. I would probably sneak across the border into Egypt.


http://pjmedia.com/blog/wikileaks-cables-reveal-muslim-brotherhood-ties-to-iran/

Yes and the members of the former Mubarak regime were always truthful and not paranoid at all. I was followed by and questioned by Egyptian Secret Police before my departure in October 2010. The regime was already paranoid.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19347574
From your link....


When I met a member of the Foreign Relations Unit from the Muslim Brotherhood's political wing recently, there was a clear intention to tread carefully.
"We believe that Iran has very bad practices in international relations whether with the Gulf countries or with the Syrian revolution, and we have a permanent problem with the Shia issue - they're trying to spread this all over the region," the official said.
"We're not willing to stress this relationship or fortify it or build new links. We're trying to have normal relations, very slow in pace and very alert because we don't trust their foreign relations at all."


I'm still not convinced Ikhwan wants ties to Iran.


http://freebeacon.com/the-cairo-tehran-express/

A meeting of indeterminate reason by one of Morsi's former associates still doesn't present any startling evidence that Iran is backing Ikhwan.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/14/egypt-polarised-referendum-new-constitution

There is nothing in that link apart from a comment by Mounir Fakhry Abdel-Nour of Wafd about the new constitution being "Iran on the Nile". Is that your evidence?

In all of your links, there is one overall theme.

Egypt and Ikhwan DO NOT TRUST Iran.


You are a fool.

If Israel wanted to destroy those animals, they would do so in a matter of hours with ruthless efficiency and the problem would be solved.

That's part of the problem. People like you and the Zionists who refer to Goyim as animals or insects.

[jafar00]

NightTrain. Might as well forget trying with jafar. A total waste of time, and his only intent here is to cause Endless Hate, and Discontent.


Pot, meet kettle.

[Little-Acorn]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/24/group-says-gaza-palestinians-violated-laws-war-during-november-fighting/?test=latestnews

Human Rights Watch says Gaza militants violated laws of war by launching hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians during last month's fighting.

The Israeli military says 1,500 rockets were fired at Israel during the eight-day offensive against Gaza militants, including the first rockets from Gaza to strike the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem areas.
The rocket attacks killed three Israeli civilians and wounded dozens.


HRW's Sarah Leah Whitson said in the group's report on Monday that "Palestinian armed groups made clear in their statements that harming civilians was their aim."


They actually NOTICED???

Now THAT'S news!

Definite progress is being made. :clap:

Now, if we can only get HRW to notice the thousands of rockets Hamas fired at Israeli civilians OUTSIDE the eight days of the anti-militant offensive.... like continuously for the last several YEARS....

[Drummond]

I don't agree. As soon as Hamas won the election, Israel began it's blockade and incursions in earnest. Hamas is very much on the defensive.

Meant as some sort of joke, Jafar ?

Hamas IS A TERRORIST ORGANISATION THAT HAS LONG BEEN COMMITTED TO ISRAEL'S DESTRUCTION AS A CORE OBJECTIVE.

Now, what ELSE could Israel reasonably do - after seeing Hamas take over Gaza - to defend against an aggressor, short of launching an all-out attack ? Doubtless whatever blockade Israel mounted was meant to cut off the means for Hamas to amass weaponry, most particular the importation of missiles. What was Israel supposed to do, then, allow Hamas to import what it wants, freely, without censure of any kind ?

Terrorism isn't about 'defensiveness', not at all. Terrorism is aggression taken to subhuman extremes.


Let's play a game.

If the UN decided tomorrow that your town and your house now belonged to a bunch of heavily armed Romanian Gypsies, would you happily hand them the keys and move elsewhere?

... You obviously haven't heard of the lengthy standoff gypsies got involved in, then, in the Basildon area of Essex some while ago ..

But I don't see that your attempt at a 'parallel' really works. Perhaps ... if you mean what I think you do, you can prove to me the Nation State status that Palestinians 'had', around 1948 ? Or before ?


What if you were forced to move out at gunpoint and relocated to a desolate part of the Scottish Highlands and placed under siege where they continually attacked you? Would you just sit back and let them do it, or would you act?

Well, I can tell you of one thing I would NEVER do. What I would never do is put a bunch of terrorists in charge of the territory I had moved to, then, if THAT wasn't bad enough, give them carte blanche to strap bombs on my children !!!

And, you know what, Jafar ?

If I so much as ever stooped to even CONSIDERING supporting terrorists (.. absolutely unthinkable, in case you'd like to somehow believe otherwise), the very last thing I'd have the nerve to call myself is a 'pacifist'.

[Little-Acorn]

NightTrain. Might as well forget trying with jafar. A total waste of time, and his only intent here is to cause Endless Hate, and Discontent.

Not surprisingly the same intent of the Hamas militants and other terrorists constantly attacking Israel in the middle East.

[NightTrain]

That's part of the problem. People like you and the Zionists who refer to Goyim as animals or insects.


Stop behaving like savages and you'll stop being treated as such.

Until then, you muzzies will continue to reap the whirlwind.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Meant as some sort of joke, Jafar ?

Hamas IS A TERRORIST ORGANISATION THAT HAS LONG BEEN COMMITTED TO ISRAEL'S DESTRUCTION AS A CORE OBJECTIVE.

Now, what ELSE could Israel reasonably do - after seeing Hamas take over Gaza - to defend against an aggressor, short of launching an all-out attack ? Doubtless whatever blockade Israel mounted was meant to cut off the means for Hamas to amass weaponry, most particular the importation of missiles. What was Israel supposed to do, then, allow Hamas to import what it wants, freely, without censure of any kind ?

Terrorism isn't about 'defensiveness', not at all. Terrorism is aggression taken to subhuman extremes.



... You obviously haven't heard of the lengthy standoff gypsies got involved in, then, in the Basildon area of Essex some while ago ..

But I don't see that your attempt at a 'parallel' really works. Perhaps ... if you mean what I think you do, you can prove to me the Nation State status that Palestinians 'had', around 1948 ? Or before ?



Well, I can tell you of one thing I would NEVER do. What I would never do is put a bunch of terrorists in charge of the territory I had moved to, then, if THAT wasn't bad enough, give them carte blanche to strap bombs on my children !!!

And, you know what, Jafar ?

If I so much as ever stooped to even CONSIDERING supporting terrorists (.. absolutely unthinkable, in case you'd like to somehow believe otherwise), the very last thing I'd have the nerve to call myself is a 'pacifist'.

Supporting terrorists and then calling oneself a pacifist as Jafar has clearly
done is like a prostitute retiring from a bordello after 20 years of giving full service calling herself a virgin!!
The audacity is simply off the charts!!!!
Some would declare delusional maybe. --Tyr