Why?

[aboutime]

I am growing very, very tired of seeing, reading, and having to find my way to countless threads
that all seem to be turning into Arguments over almost every aspect.

Seems as if. No matter what word, phrase, reference, idea, suggestion, or opinion ANYONE presents here...

Eventually becomes a long, useless argument that leads nowhere, and accomplishes absolutely NOTHING.

I know, and understand. This is a forum. And everyone will remind me. THIS IS A FORUM where people argue.

Really?

Does everyone have to constantly be at one-another's throat all the time?

I thought we were all here to SHARE, DISCUSS....like Adults, and Thinking people...unlike those on the Left who

think they are better than all of us?

We sound more like the USELESS members of Both sides of the political aisle in Congress than THEY DO.

The holidays are coming up. We're all dealing with the terrible things happening around us. And....we ARGUE more?

Sorry. That's not what I feel good about.
Have at it. But I will just post when I FEEL LIKE IT.

[tailfins]

People are p|$$ed off at the election results are are still cranky.

[aboutime]

People are p|$$ed off at the election results are are still cranky.


And, of course. You're not?

[tailfins]

And, of course. You're not?

Who asked ya? ESAD!

[fj1200]

I am growing very, very tired of seeing, reading, and having to find my way to countless threads
that all seem to be turning into Arguments over almost every aspect.

When one's premise is flawed one should expect some pushback. OTOH I'm kind of tired of seeing countless threads that are all based on the same premise. My solution: Ignore them for the most part.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I am growing very, very tired of seeing, reading, and having to find my way to countless threads
that all seem to be turning into Arguments over almost every aspect.

Seems as if. No matter what word, phrase, reference, idea, suggestion, or opinion ANYONE presents here...

Eventually becomes a long, useless argument that leads nowhere, and accomplishes absolutely NOTHING.

I know, and understand. This is a forum. And everyone will remind me. THIS IS A FORUM where people argue.

Really?

Does everyone have to constantly be at one-another's throat all the time?

I thought we were all here to SHARE, DISCUSS....like Adults, and Thinking people...unlike those on the Left who

think they are better than all of us?

We sound more like the USELESS members of Both sides of the political aisle in Congress than THEY DO.

The holidays are coming up. We're all dealing with the terrible things happening around us. And....we ARGUE more?

Sorry. That's not what I feel good about.
Have at it. But I will just post when I FEEL LIKE IT.

Dont worry my friend, we all get that way from time to time. Take a holiday break if its best for you. Come back anytime to batter around ideals and read for fun. No stopping the disagreements because we all believe in our principles even the opposition here .
Chill and see ya whenever you pop on to post-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

People are p|$$ed off at the election results are are still cranky.

NOT ME, IM MY USUAL KIND,GENEROUS NICE SELF ALWAYS. :laugh:-tYR

[Robert A Whit]

I am growing very, very tired of seeing, reading, and having to find my way to countless threads
that all seem to be turning into Arguments over almost every aspect.

Seems as if. No matter what word, phrase, reference, idea, suggestion, or opinion ANYONE presents here...

Eventually becomes a long, useless argument that leads nowhere, and accomplishes absolutely NOTHING.

I know, and understand. This is a forum. And everyone will remind me. THIS IS A FORUM where people argue.

Really?

Does everyone have to constantly be at one-another's throat all the time?

I thought we were all here to SHARE, DISCUSS....like Adults, and Thinking people...unlike those on the Left who

think they are better than all of us?

We sound more like the USELESS members of Both sides of the political aisle in Congress than THEY DO.

The holidays are coming up. We're all dealing with the terrible things happening around us. And....we ARGUE more?

Sorry. That's not what I feel good about.
Have at it. But I will just post when I FEEL LIKE IT.

I hate to inform you, but since you brought this up, when I asked you if you wanted friends, this is why. I was not asking you if you wanted to have sit down dinners with posters nor send them christmas presents. I was speaking of civility. Friends are civil to one another. Friends don't have to agree with each thing said.

I read your posts where you attack somebody. Well, did you expect them to not fight you back?

Still, great idea. I am all for it. No personal stuff. No acting like you must grind down the enemy. Just act like they might be a friend. That works.

The tone when you think of the person as your friend changes.

I will say this since I have been on boards that got so many TOS notices that almost nobody escaped them. That this forum is very good. I came to really like it. I came here missing some of the old crowd but you guys made me relent and darned near forget them.

Oh I really miss Silverwitch of AOL. Silver and I once fought like cats and dogs. We were both voting republican. She did not like Bush at all. She played a lot of politics in Florida. On the board, we could not get along.

I decided to send her a note and see if it might produce sweet fruit. End the conflict.

It worked. We got to be very good pals. She kept in touch me all the time. She was pertty rich as well. I was with her in spirit when she lost her father. When she buried her husband. When Obama ran the first time, Silver went to political meetings and there met a man she married who also was rich. His idea of a cottage in England had 8 bedrooms. She had not only money, but lots of property.

Well, this is my ode to Silver. Silver sent me a note in 2011 that she had stage 4 cancer. She said it was terminal. We kept in touch till one day, no reply to my note to her. I kept trying since I knew she was ill. No reply. I presume she could not reply and had passed away.

Why admire Silver?

Talk about a strong woman. She was married to an officer who got killed in Vietnam. As a widow with children, she had to buckle down and head the house hold. Silver somehow managed to get into the restaurant business in Naples Florida. She really had a top notch restaurant. She sold it as I recall during the Bush 43 era.

She raised 4 kids. She put some or all through college.

I miss Silver. A lot. What a kind hearted woman.

When Katrina hit, and ruined her factory in the New Orleans area, do you know what she did for her employees? She paid them each for six months work to help them survive.

I forgot to say that the husband she buried had made his fortune manufacturing something. I forget the product just now. When he died, she got most of his property including the factory.

I think she paid well over 100 workers. Add it up. That is a lot of money.

I expect that the property at Telluride in Colorado, a very spacious luxury place, may be now co-owned by her kids and her dead husband's kids. I dunno. We did not discuss wils and such matters.

This is not about me.

This is about her. She was one very decent human being. And she hated Obama to the core. Not for his race. But his politics.

[aboutime]

I hate to inform you, but since you brought this up, when I asked you if you wanted friends, this is why. I was not asking you if you wanted to have sit down dinners with posters nor send them christmas presents. I was speaking of civility. Friends are civil to one another. Friends don't have to agree with each thing said.

I read your posts where you attack somebody. Well, did you expect them to not fight you back?

Still, great idea. I am all for it. No personal stuff. No acting like you must grind down the enemy. Just act like they might be a friend. That works.

The tone when you think of the person as your friend changes.

I will say this since I have been on boards that got so many TOS notices that almost nobody escaped them. That this forum is very good. I came to really like it. I came here missing some of the old crowd but you guys made me relent and darned near forget them.

Oh I really miss Silverwitch of AOL. Silver and I once fought like cats and dogs. We were both voting republican. She did not like Bush at all. She played a lot of politics in Florida. On the board, we could not get along.

I decided to send her a note and see if it might produce sweet fruit. End the conflict.

It worked. We got to be very good pals. She kept in touch me all the time. She was pertty rich as well. I was with her in spirit when she lost her father. When she buried her husband. When Obama ran the first time, Silver went to political meetings and there met a man she married who also was rich. His idea of a cottage in England had 8 bedrooms. She had not only money, but lots of property.

Well, this is my ode to Silver. Silver sent me a note in 2011 that she had stage 4 cancer. She said it was terminal. We kept in touch till one day, no reply to my note to her. I kept trying since I knew she was ill. No reply. I presume she could not reply and had passed away.

Why admire Silver?

Talk about a strong woman. She was married to an officer who got killed in Vietnam. As a widow with children, she had to buckle down and head the house hold. Silver somehow managed to get into the restaurant business in Naples Florida. She really had a top notch restaurant. She sold it as I recall during the Bush 43 era.

She raised 4 kids. She put some or all through college.

I miss Silver. A lot. What a kind hearted woman.

When Katrina hit, and ruined her factory in the New Orleans area, do you know what she did for her employees? She paid them each for six months work to help them survive.

I forgot to say that the husband she buried had made his fortune manufacturing something. I forget the product just now. When he died, she got most of his property including the factory.

I think she paid well over 100 workers. Add it up. That is a lot of money.

I expect that the property at Telluride in Colorado, a very spacious luxury place, may be now co-owned by her kids and her dead husband's kids. I dunno. We did not discuss wils and such matters.

This is not about me.

This is about her. She was one very decent human being. And she hated Obama to the core. Not for his race. But his politics.



What? Huh?

Did I ask you "WHAT TIME IS IT?"

Who the hell...other than you. Is talking about friends?

This is a forum...last time I checked.
If I want to make new friends. I certainly won't need to come to the Internet.

Tell me how the clock works. Then, we'll talk.

[Robert A Whit]

People are p|$$ed off at the election results are are still cranky.

Many are saying, get over it. Get used to socialism.

I am sorry. I can't get used to socialism. I have seen humans dignity and freedom gone and I did not like it when I was in Germany.

Obama represents to me the greatest loss of freedom I have seen going way back. I used to see the Government as this wonderful creation. But now I see it as raw power.

Hungry power. Trying to take more and more freedom.

I remember telling some guy in Manteca, CA, a chiropractor who was badmouthing federal government that he was touched.

He did not persuade me.

I finally had to admit he was correct. But had he not pointed out some things, I might not have tried to examine this for myself and see if some tests could prove him right or wrong.

I saw him as a nut and I voted republican by that time. I was wrong. He was right.

Take this killing for instance.

Are the rest of us supposed to pay the price over what some nut case did to children?

I assure you, my freedom is worth fighting for. Democrats see this as a chance to remove just one more freedom.

[jimnyc]

Why? Because the majority of discussions are about politics, it's that simple. Go to any political message board and you will find fairly the same. Even DU (democrat underground), which doesn't allow any Republicans, still have infighting. No one will ever agree with another person 100% on all topics. Why does it need to turn into trolling, flaming and otherwise heated discussions? That I can't answer. People take their stances personally and don't like when others disagree with them. That's not an excuse, just an observation. You'll never have a board totally without the fighting. The only thing someone can do is try and remain as civil as possible, and hope the next person does the same.

I see a LOT of good discussions going on. But I think sometimes we get blinded by the animosity and lose focus on the topic.

Rather than all of us bitching about what happens, how about we all toss in ideas that might make things better?

[Robert A Whit]

What? Huh?

Did I ask you "WHAT TIME IS IT?"

Who the hell...other than you. Is talking about friends?

This is a forum...last time I checked.
If I want to make new friends. I certainly won't need to come to the Internet.

Tell me how the clock works. Then, we'll talk.

You made my point very well. See, you love fighting. Then when you complain about it, you start it up again.

[tailfins]

I hate to inform you, but since you brought this up, when I asked you if you wanted friends, this is why. I was not asking you if you wanted to have sit down dinners with posters nor send them christmas presents. I was speaking of civility. Friends are civil to one another. Friends don't have to agree with each thing said.

I read your posts where you attack somebody. Well, did you expect them to not fight you back?

Still, great idea. I am all for it. No personal stuff. No acting like you must grind down the enemy. Just act like they might be a friend. That works.

The tone when you think of the person as your friend changes.

You fail to account for locker room style trash talk! You ignorant senile fart!

[aboutime]

Why? Because the majority of discussions are about politics, it's that simple. Go to any political message board and you will find fairly the same. Even DU (democrat underground), which doesn't allow any Republicans, still have infighting. No one will ever agree with another person 100% on all topics. Why does it need to turn into trolling, flaming and otherwise heated discussions? That I can't answer. People take their stances personally and don't like when others disagree with them. That's not an excuse, just an observation. You'll never have a board totally without the fighting. The only thing someone can do is try and remain as civil as possible, and hope the next person does the same.

I see a LOT of good discussions going on. But I think sometimes we get blinded by the animosity and lose focus on the topic.

Rather than all of us bitching about what happens, how about we all toss in ideas that might make things better?


jimnyc. That's a great idea..."tossing in ideas that might make things better". Problem is. Few seem willing to accept OTHER people's idea's right from the start. Therefore. The theory about this being a FORUM for Debate is lost....the very second anyone tries to focus, honestly, and seriously on the topic.
Which is WHY I created this thread, asking that question.

There is a really big difference between CIVIL discussion, and all-out Arguments that begin the second someone puts a period in the wrong place, spells a word wrong, or doesn't comply with the expected Perfection in grammar...that becomes the END.

[jimnyc]

jimnyc. That's a great idea..."tossing in ideas that might make things better". Problem is. Few seem willing to accept OTHER people's idea's right from the start. Therefore. The theory about this being a FORUM for Debate is lost....the very second anyone tries to focus, honestly, and seriously on the topic.
Which is WHY I created this thread, asking that question.

There is a really big difference between CIVIL discussion, and all-out Arguments that begin the second someone puts a period in the wrong place, spells a word wrong, or doesn't comply with the expected Perfection in grammar...that becomes the END.

If someone replies in such a manner, show them up by not replying in kind. Maybe place that person on your ignore list. Maybe publicly reply, politely, and ask as to why things need to go in that direction. Just reply, but edit out the bad parts and make believe they don't exist.

There are MANY ways to improve threads and responses, but getting people to go along with it, voluntarily, is the tough part.

[Robert A Whit]

Why? Because the majority of discussions are about politics, it's that simple. Go to any political message board and you will find fairly the same. Even DU (democrat underground), which doesn't allow any Republicans, still have infighting. No one will ever agree with another person 100% on all topics. Why does it need to turn into trolling, flaming and otherwise heated discussions? That I can't answer. People take their stances personally and don't like when others disagree with them. That's not an excuse, just an observation. You'll never have a board totally without the fighting. The only thing someone can do is try and remain as civil as possible, and hope the next person does the same.

I see a LOT of good discussions going on. But I think sometimes we get blinded by the animosity and lose focus on the topic.

Rather than all of us bitching about what happens, how about we all toss in ideas that might make things better?

I agree with you Jim.

I tossed in the story of a woman who due to some misunderstanding by both both of us, where we insulted each other on an AOL forum took it to private mail. She became my friend.

We chatted a lot in mail. Most of what we chatted about was not disclosed to the AOL forum.
Sadly she died. But before that, we took our tone on boards to new standards.

I assure you, she worked hard to elect Sen. crap from AZ and to defeat Obama in 2008.

My point was that you just don't know. You might fight with a poster today only to take it to mail and discover that person you fight with is a heck of a nice person and one you would love to call friend.

[Robert A Whit]

You fail to account for locker room style trash talk! You ignorant senile fart!

I presume you were staring at your mirror upon making such a remark.

[tailfins]

I presume you were staring at your mirror upon making such a remark.

With you standing behind me.