TheReligionOfPeace.com blocked by T-Mobile porn filter

[tailfins]

I sometimes use a T-mobile 4G stick. It was blocking certain panes here at DP. Upon further investigation using a nearby leeched but weak wi-fi connection, it was everywhere there was a link to www.religionofpeace.com that was being blocked. To turn off the porn filter, you have to go through an intrusive process ostensibly to prove you're over 18, which I'm not interested in doing.

[jafar00]

That site is porn for right wing bigots. I wouldn't be too sad about being blocked from it ;)

[Voted4Reagan]

That site is porn for right wing bigots. I wouldn't be too sad about being blocked from it ;)

we dont believe in Censorship

unfortunately every islamic/muslim country has no freedom of the press, no freedom of religion and certainly nothing resembling our fundamental BILL OF RIGHTS.

To give these Rights to the people would invite dissent an overthrow... hence the people are kept ignorant.

certainly not something the criminals in power in those countries want.

Dont talk here about censorship...
.

[tailfins]

Dont talk here about censorship...
.


Does that mean you want me to censor my conversation about censorship? :thumb:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Does that mean you want me to censor my conversation about censorship? :thumb:






He could have suggested that you stay off the porn sites and stop complaining about the trojans they put on your devices.--:laugh:-Tyr
Of course with you being a globalist you are above considering the suggestions of any peasants, right?

[Voted4Reagan]

Does that mean you want me to censor my conversation about censorship? :thumb:






no... you have a right to say whatever you like ... no matter how misinformed you may be... which is most of the time..

lol

:thumb::slap::thumb:

[gabosaurus]

Perhaps T-Mobile thinks it is a terrorist site run by Muslims. :salute:

[tailfins]

Perhaps T-Mobile thinks it is a terrorist site run by Muslims. :salute:

My guess is that they are in a "politically correct" manner, classifying it as a hate site. When I have nothing better to do, I will type in other sites that are considered "hate" and see what happens.

[gabosaurus]

My point is, alleged "patriots" have been calling for suspected "terrorist sites" to be blocked from American servers for quite some time. Many don't even think Al-Jazeera should be allowed.

Instead of calling themselves "TheReligionofPeace," perhaps the site should own up and call itself "HatredTowardsMuslims.com" or something of that nature.

[jimnyc]

That site is porn for right wing bigots. I wouldn't be too sad about being blocked from it ;)


My guess is that they are in a "politically correct" manner, classifying it as a hate site. When I have nothing better to do, I will type in other sites that are considered "hate" and see what happens.

How do the facts on that site make people "bigots", Jafar? Of course you wouldn't mind being blocked from facts, it's less FACTS for you to deny.

And tailfins, why do you think it's a hate site? The gathering of facts and stories is now hate?

[tailfins]

How do the facts on that site make people "bigots", Jafar? Of course you wouldn't mind being blocked from facts, it's less FACTS for you to deny.

And tailfins, why do you think it's a hate site? The gathering of facts and stories is now hate?

C'mon Jim! I thought you were an IT guy. What other basis would T-Mobile have to classify it as an "adults-only" site? We're talking basic logic and systems testing here. If you don't like it, you can idly complain about about it or get some people together, raise a stink and get the classification changed.

[jafar00]

no... you have a right to say whatever you like ... no matter how misinformed you may be... which is most of the time..

lol

:thumb::slap::thumb:

Except when you don't want me to talk about censorship :poke:


How do the facts on that site make people "bigots", Jafar? Of course you wouldn't mind being blocked from facts, it's less FACTS for you to deny.

And tailfins, why do you think it's a hate site? The gathering of facts and stories is now hate?

There are no facts on that site. It is full of lies aimed at advancing an anti islamic agenda. Nothing more.

[jimnyc]

C'mon Jim! I thought you were an IT guy. What other basis would T-Mobile have to classify it as an "adults-only" site? We're talking basic logic and systems testing here. If you don't like it, you can idly complain about about it or get some people together, raise a stink and get the classification changed.

Being I'm not with them, I couldn't care less what T-Mobile does. I simply asked for clarifications on posts that were made with classifications, which were really guesses. Either way, wouldn't have been a reason for me to post, as I could get to the site just as easily blocked or not and even through T-Mobile. T-mobile thinking that tons and tons and tons of links to death and destruction by others is best suited for adults. That says nothing about it being "hate" or "bigoted" and does absolutely nothing to change the FACTS on the page. I've asked people to dispute the HUGE list of killings on their and PROVE that the site is filled with lies, very few have taken this test over years and years and the ONLY thing ever brought back as a lie or wrong was a muslim saying a TRANSLATION of some sections of the Quran were wrong, even though the translation was from an Imam. Not exactly an endorsement that the site is full of lies.

[cadet]

Now, that site is disgusting. I understand that it's truthful, but come on.

Don't start claiming I'm Muslim, but i would like to know if http://www.godhatesfags.com/ is blocked on there too...

[jimnyc]

There are no facts on that site. It is full of lies aimed at advancing an anti islamic agenda. Nothing more.

And the below is the latest updates on their site. Go ahead, prove them wrong. No denials, no dancing, no obfuscation - prove them wrong or admit these killings happened:


<tbody>
2012.12.13 (Qatana, Syria) - Women and children are among sixteen innocents slaughtered by a Sunni 'rebel' car bomb attack on a residential neighborhood.


2012.12.12 (Karachi, Pakistan) - The custodian of a Shiite mosque and his nephew are mowed down by a Sunni drive-by.


2012.12.12 (Gilgit, Pakistan) - Three students are killed during a clash between Sunni and Shia.


2012.12.12 (Tikrit, Iraq) - Muslim terrorists kill two university students with an IED.


2012.12.11 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A baby and woman are among four shot to death in a tea shop by Islamic terrorists.


2012.12.11 (Pattani, Thailand) - A school director and teacher are murdered in the cafeteria by Islamic 'insurgents'.

</tbody>

[jimnyc]

Now, that site is disgusting. I understand that it's truthful, but come on.

Don't start claiming I'm Muslim, but i would like to know if http://www.godhatesfags.com/ is blocked on there too...

I agree, the facts on the site ARE disgusting, not for everyone, but most other places are afraid of getting the facts out there.

[jimnyc]

Save one, here are articles for the latest stories on ROP. Jafar says "there are no facts on that site".

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-state-media-blast-near-damascus-kills-16-093833789.html
http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=371855
http://tribune.com.pk/story/426237/two-killed-one-injured-in-gilgit-shootings/
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/2012/12/11/baby-among-dead-southern-thailand-attacks/wL4aZzCistVt82NVKyI9YP/story.html
http://www.news.com.au/world/kids-teachers-killed-in-school-and-teahouse-attacks-in-thailand/story-fndir2ev-1226534888633

[tailfins]

Now, that site is disgusting. I understand that it's truthful, but come on.

Don't start claiming I'm Muslim, but i would like to know if http://www.godhatesfags.com/ is blocked on there too...

Blocked. DavidDuke.com is also. kkkk.net is but the United Klans of America isn't. Go figure.

[gabosaurus]

I found some wonderful, informative sites that are NOT blocked, if anyone wants to read them.

http://www.peterloud.co.uk/palestine/

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/terrorism.html

http://www.islamforpeace.org/

---

Those who wish to retain their one-sided ignorance of the issue might want to refrain from reading.

[jafar00]

Save one, here are articles for the latest stories on ROP. Jafar says "there are no facts on that site".

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-state-media-blast-near-damascus-kills-16-093833789.html
http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=371855
http://tribune.com.pk/story/426237/two-killed-one-injured-in-gilgit-shootings/
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/2012/12/11/baby-among-dead-southern-thailand-attacks/wL4aZzCistVt82NVKyI9YP/story.html
http://www.news.com.au/world/kids-teachers-killed-in-school-and-teahouse-attacks-in-thailand/story-fndir2ev-1226534888633

Yes, a list of crimes. I get it. But what is the connection to Islam?

[taft2012]

we dont believe in Censorship

Dont talk here about censorship...
.

It's not censorship. It's "moderation", which you usually grovel at the feet of, and even offer to prop up with a slice of your FEMA check.

[Voted4Reagan]

It's not censorship. It's "moderation", which you usually grovel at the feet of, and even offer to prop up with a slice of your FEMA check.

Seriously... why are you such a Drama Queen? you continually try to provoke me and my Girlfriend in an effort to elicit a response for what reason I have no idea...

You were BANNED on another site because you couldnt control your tongue and you railed on and on for months about your persecution at the hands of your "AUTHORITARIAN OVERLORDS"...

You have tried to provoke me and Wiccan Liberal Several times here... it isnt going to work..

So grow up....grow a set... and start acting like an adult....

You alone are responsible for your being banned from the other site. You were warned by the Admin and the Mods: that you were bordering on a TROLL VOTE and you ignored them... Resulting in your PERMA-BAN for being Disruptive and Troll-ish.

So keep going Taft.... Youre annoying, Aggravating and a one trick Pony... Blame only yourself.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I found some wonderful, informative sites that are NOT blocked, if anyone wants to read them.

http://www.peterloud.co.uk/palestine/

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/terrorism.html

http://www.islamforpeace.org/

---

Those who wish to retain their one-sided ignorance of the issue might want to refrain from reading.

You mean do as you have done by ignoring sites that post the truth. Gotcha, but who besides a dishonorable asshat and fool wants to flat out reject verified facts, truth?-Tyr

[jimnyc]

Yes, a list of crimes. I get it. But what is the connection to Islam?

Don't be purposely dense. If you fail to read the portions of the articles discussing Islamic insurgents and Islamic terror attacks, that's on you. Once again, denial. I'm done with you, it's like discussing things with a child who plays games. You continue on with your defense of terrorists and violence throughout the shitholes of the world.

[jimnyc]

You mean do as you have done by ignoring sites that post the truth. Gotcha, but who besides a dishonorable asshat and fool wants to flat out reject verified facts, truth?-Tyr

I would save my replies for those interested in topics if I were you, rather than wasting responses on trolls.

[jimnyc]

If some think it's a decent idea that utilities are used to block out "hate" and "intolerance" - I have a novel idea! How about those who want to label what others post here as hate or intolerance - place those members on ignore or don't open threads about subjects you don't like? Or is that too much to ask? All I see is hate and intolerance coming from the people claiming such about others.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If some think it's a decent idea that utilities are used to block out "hate" and "intolerance" - I have a novel idea! How about those who want to label what others post here as hate or intolerance - place those members on ignore or don't open threads about subjects you don't like? Or is that too much to ask? All I see is hate and intolerance coming from the people claiming such about others.

Jim, they preach tolerance and then practice true intolerance. It is bad enough when one faces leftist ideology but when combined with Islamic extremism the combination creates a group that will say or do anything to censor the truth being presented. We see a campaign being waged here to do just that. And notice that its done only to save Islam not any other cause, religion or topic . I have in my lifetime found that dishonor knows no bounds.. It flatly rejects and seeks to stifle and destroy truth. I have many faults but presenting the TRUTH for others to read and consider is not one of them. Should they disprove any source or link and do so adequately with verified proof, I will accept that and no longer use that source. So far nobody has done that..
Why not let the readers decide what they will accept instead of carrying on a campaign to convince others here that its about hate when its about the truth of Islam being aired to be considered!??
I say let them prove it to be false, then they have a case. Until then its the usual appeasement and PC CRAP IMHO seeking censorship.-Tyr

[tailfins]

If some think it's a decent idea that utilities are used to block out "hate" and "intolerance" - I have a novel idea! How about those who want to label what others post here as hate or intolerance - place those members on ignore or don't open threads about subjects you don't like? Or is that too much to ask? All I see is hate and intolerance coming from the people claiming such about others.

I'm likely of the same political persuasion you are. The principal difference being that I have been "corporatized". I know what a failing, paralyzed department or operation looks like as well. If you are repairing a diesel engine and I hand you a book about water purification, insisting that you let my truth about water purification get noticed, that would serve as a hindrance and distraction to your task of repairing that engine. Something that is nominally true can be just as destructive as a lie. The premise of a drip-drip-drip of anecdotal acts of violence translating to a BILLION people being all alike defies logic. Any time I see anecdotal evidence I get suspicious. In general anecdotal evidence is a telltale sign that a given problem isn't as pervasive as the author would like you to believe. MADD and the ASPCA come to mind for groups that use these tactics. I just love how MADD asks things "Do you think this little girl deserved to lose her mom"? as they push for more roadblocks, shakedowns of motorists and punishments without due process.

[gabosaurus]

Don't be purposely dense. If you fail to read the portions of the articles discussing Islamic insurgents and Islamic terror attacks, that's on you. Once again, denial. I'm done with you, it's like discussing things with a child who plays games. You continue on with your defense of terrorists and violence throughout the shitholes of the world.

Jim, you are the one being childish here. You are so stubborn and obstinate that you can't understand what is going on in a discussion. Jafar is trying to be fair with you. But your fucked up childish sense of values won't allow you to consider a different point of view.
YOU are the one defending terrorists. You just refuse to admit such.
But that is OK. Just continue to live in ignorance in your shithole world.

[Voted4Reagan]

Jim, you are the one being childish here. You are so stubborn and obstinate that you can't understand what is going on in a discussion. Jafar is trying to be fair with you. But your fucked up childish sense of values won't allow you to consider a different point of view.
YOU are the one defending terrorists. You just refuse to admit such.
But that is OK. Just continue to live in ignorance in your shithole world.

When 9-11 occurred, HAMAS danced in the streets celebrating the deaths of 3000 American Civilians.

JAFAR has stated PUBLICLY that he supports HAMAS.

So be childish and call Jimmy all the names you want....

You just put forth your support for a person that by his own admission supports these people...

That makes you an apologist....

Now Run away like you always do Gabby... you really arent as smart as you tell everyone you are...

You just defended HAMAS.... How Progressive of you

[gabosaurus]

When 9-11 occurred, HAMAS danced in the streets celebrating the deaths of 3000 American Civilians.


Dude, people who don't have their head buried in the sand have known for 10 years that your statement is false. The "dancing in the streets" thing was film taking at another time and played for effect.
Just like a lot of other footage was staged.
Too bad some of you are too ignorant to know the difference.

[Voted4Reagan]

Dude, people who don't have their head buried in the sand have known for 10 years that your statement is false. The "dancing in the streets" thing was film taking at another time and played for effect.
Just like a lot of other footage was staged.
Too bad some of you are too ignorant to know the difference.

And Mass Murderers dont use knives.......

Show me your source for your above statement.... I have yet to see you debate with any good cited material...

[taft2012]

Seriously... why are you such a Drama Queen? you continually try to provoke me and my Girlfriend in an effort to elicit a response for what reason I have no idea...

You were BANNED on another site because you couldnt control your tongue and you railed on and on for months about your persecution at the hands of your "AUTHORITARIAN OVERLORDS"...

You have tried to provoke me and Wiccan Liberal Several times here... it isnt going to work..

So grow up....grow a set... and start acting like an adult....

You alone are responsible for your being banned from the other site. You were warned by the Admin and the Mods: that you were bordering on a TROLL VOTE and you ignored them... Resulting in your PERMA-BAN for being Disruptive and Troll-ish.

So keep going Taft.... Youre annoying, Aggravating and a one trick Pony... Blame only yourself.

Maybe you don't recall but I'll remind you. Instead of letting this die *YOU* chose to spread lies about me on a forum that I could not respond on. Does that ring a bell?

You act like I *CARE* I was banned. I'm proud of it. Yeah, I could have held my tongue while fellow conservatives were unfairly targeted, the cowardly course you opted to pursue. But that's not my style. I stood up for what was right.

You? You chose to roll over on your belly and bare your buttocks to Jeffro and Lorenzo the Llama, and even offer them a chunk of your FEMA check. What kind of conservative bankrolls conservative-hating liberals? If you're gonna bankroll somebody, bankroll Jimmy.

Your effiminate pursuit of a moderation position over "there" is a constant source of amusement in IMs amongst the liberals. You're their little dancing monkey.

And you keep spreading the lie that I care about being banned and blame people. I don't, but I do accuse you of being a collaborator, which I can readily prove. I'm on a gazillion forums, but that one was the most biased and unfair one I've ever come across. Hence, I really enjoy tweaking them whenever I can. And I know it drives them bananas. I still get e-mails from insiders telling me about the IMs going back and forth.

As for Jimmy, me and him have gone back and forth, but he's a man about it, not a ban button pushing little pussy.

Oh, and I'd like to see the post where I was "warned".....

Dance little monkey, dance for your lord and master.

Sorry for derailing this thread briefly Jim. This war is bound to flare up from time to time.

[Voted4Reagan]

Maybe you don't recall but I'll remind you. Instead of letting this die *YOU* chose to spread lies about me on a forum that I could not respond on. Does that ring a bell?

You act like I *CARE* I was banned. I'm proud of it. Yeah, I could have held my tongue while fellow conservatives were unfairly targeted, the cowardly course you opted to pursue. But that's not my style. I stood up for what was right.

You? You chose to roll over on your belly and bare your buttocks to Jeffro and Lorenzo the Llama, and even offer them a chunk of your FEMA check. What kind of conservative bankrolls conservative-hating liberals? If you're gonna bankroll somebody, bankroll Jimmy.

Your effiminate pursuit of a moderation position over "there" is a constant source of amusement in IMs amongst the liberals. You're their little dancing monkey.

And you keep spreading the lie that I care about being banned and blame people. I don't, but I do accuse you of being a collaborator, which I can readily prove. I'm on a gazillion forums, but that one was the most biased and unfair one I've ever come across. Hence, I really enjoy tweaking them whenever I can. And I know it drives them bananas. I still get e-mails from insiders telling me about the IMs going back and forth.

As for Jimmy, me and him have gone back and forth, but he's a man about it, not a ban button pushing little pussy.

Oh, and I'd like to see the post where I was "warned".....

Dance little monkey, dance for your lord and master.

Sorry for derailing this thread briefly Jim. This war is bound to flare up from time to time.

You ORIGINALLY derailed this thread as you always do when you come on an start on your little name calling/Insult sprees....

Seriously... if you hate me that much....IGNORE ME..

and you were voted out by ALL the Mods... not just the Liberal ones.. but the Conservative ones as well.

It was unanimous....you had become a total disruption just as you do here in this thread...

So put me on ignore and stop sniping your snarky little comments WiccanLiberal and myself.

You really need to grow up.....

Here...I'll save you the Trouble....

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[taft2012]

Seriously... if you hate me that much....IGNORE ME..

and you were voted out by ALL the Mods... not just the Liberal ones.. but the Conservative ones as well.

It was unanimous....you had become a total disruption just as you do here in this thread...



So, you can not produce the alleged "warning"? Didn't think so.

So much goes on around you that you're too thick to see. The "unanimous" vote was only among "those who responded." IOW, they hand-picked voters and got the vote they wanted.

You're really so dim. And why should I ignore you when calling you out for the nebishy, panty-waisted, ass-kisser that you are gives me so much pleasure?

DP is the refuge of the real men from "over there".... of which you are not one of us. So stop trying to bask in our reflected manhood.

[tailfins]

I found some wonderful, informative sites that are NOT blocked, if anyone wants to read them.

http://www.peterloud.co.uk/palestine/

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/terrorism.html

http://www.islamforpeace.org/

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Those who wish to retain their one-sided ignorance of the issue might want to refrain from reading.

How do you know they are not blocked? If they are, which filters do so? For anyone who hasn't figured this out: I'm more interested in the mechanics of internet filters than what is considered a "hate" site.





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That is a site-specific form of internet filter. Is it however deactivated if you are not logged in. Perhaps a cookies-based ignore list would be better suited for this purpose.

[Voted4Reagan]

This will do... now...back to the topic

Islamic countries would love to see us start to censor free speech...

in those countries our Bill of Rights are looked on as evil by the rulers in power...

A people able to express themselves and protest tyranical Government are able to affect change within that society

in Islamic countries you are told what to say, how to say it and what the penalty is for not doing what your told.

[Mr Tik]

You act like I *CARE* I was banned. I'm proud of it. Yeah, I could have held my tongue while fellow conservatives were unfairly targeted, the cowardly course you opted to pursue. But that's not my style. I stood up for what was right.



Yeah right..thats why you continue to whine here. Also you using a defaced version jeffro's avatar and whining about lensy in your signature,
You have a whole lotta butthurt going on.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yeah right..thats why you continue to whine here. Also you using a defaced version jeffro's avatar and whining about lensy in your signature,
You have a whole lotta butthurt going on.

Hey Tik, are you going to stick around to contribute here? So you know a helluva lot more freedom of speech in posting here for all members and not just a few.. . -Tyr

[Kathianne]

Dude, people who don't have their head buried in the sand have known for 10 years that your statement is false. The "dancing in the streets" thing was film taking at another time and played for effect.
Just like a lot of other footage was staged.
Too bad some of you are too ignorant to know the difference.

Really, Gabby? Snopes disagrees:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp

[Kathianne]

Really, Gabby? Snopes disagrees:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp

She may be wrong, purposefully or not, but she's not promiscuous. :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Really, Gabby? Snopes disagrees:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp

Another Gabby bust!!
I think she is shooting for a record number of busts here. -:laugh2:

[Drummond]

My point is, alleged "patriots" have been calling for suspected "terrorist sites" to be blocked from American servers for quite some time. Many don't even think Al-Jazeera should be allowed.

Instead of calling themselves "TheReligionofPeace," perhaps the site should own up and call itself "HatredTowardsMuslims.com" or something of that nature.

You think that the truth equals hatred ?

Truth is neutral. What the truth leads TO .. that's something else.

[bingster]

I sometimes use a T-mobile 4G stick. It was blocking certain panes here at DP. Upon further investigation using a nearby leeched but weak wi-fi connection, it was everywhere there was a link to www.religionofpeace.com (http://www.religionofpeace.com) that was being blocked. To turn off the porn filter, you have to go through an intrusive process ostensibly to prove you're over 18, which I'm not interested in doing.

Not to share too much, but I couldn't pull that site up on my computer, and I assure you, porn is not blocked. :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

Not to share too much, but I couldn't pull that site up on my computer, and I assure you, porn is not blocked. :rolleyes:

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

[Voted4Reagan]

Another Gabby bust!!
I think she is shooting for a record number of busts here. -:laugh2:

Gabby.... I will await your apology for calling me a Liar and for Fabricating your statement about me knowing the footage was fake...

I knew the footage was real... .in the footage I saw they had pictures of the towers collapsing... THAT DIDNT HAPPEN IN 1991!!!

you are a LIAR

and too scared to own up to your mistakes

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Gabby.... I will await your apology for calling me a Liar and for Fabricating your statement about me knowing the footage was fake...

I knew the footage was real... .in the footage I saw they had pictures of the towers collapsing... THAT DIDNT HAPPEN IN 1991!!!

you are a LIAR

and too scared to own up to your mistakes

When has Gabby ever admitted a mistake here? Or admitted that she posts mostly left wing propaganda that is either outright lies or carefully crafted spin?
Honor and integrity from a liberal never comes forth to the light of day. Therefore I must assume that it does not exist with such people -Tyr

[Voted4Reagan]

When has Gabby ever admitted a mistake here? Or admitted that she posts mostly left wing propaganda that is either outright lies or carefully crafted spin?
Honor and integrity from a liberal never comes forth to the light of day. Therefore I must assume that it does not exist with such people -Tyr

I admitted one just a few minutes ago..... on a different thread.... but offered indirect information that supports it in a different way...

i admit when I am mistaken....

But Gabby doesnt have that level of intellectual honesty...

[aboutime]

Yeah right..thats why you continue to whine here. Also you using a defaced version jeffro's avatar and whining about lensy in your signature,
You have a whole lotta butthurt going on.


You instantly made OUR BUTTS hurt. But that is easily remedied. Just watch. Or, withdraw your Pucker.

[Kathianne]

Seems this is just begging a board war, should be caged, no?

[tailfins]

Seems this is just begging a board war, should be caged, no?

We need a program to keep up with all these boxing matches.

[gabosaurus]

I remember from earlier threads that not many of you trusted the validity of the snopes site. I suppose you changed your mind when you found something that agreed with you on there.

I still don't believe it is a valid explanation. The original filmmaker admitted it was old footage way back when.

[tailfins]

I remember from earlier threads that not many of you trusted the validity of the snopes site. I suppose you changed your mind when you found something that agreed with you on there.

I still don't believe it is a valid explanation. The original filmmaker admitted it was old footage way back when.

I don't know who you're referring to, but I doubt sources until I can check on some things myself. For example, anyone who thinks Cuba has quality healthcare should NOT be considered a reliable source.

[Kathianne]

I remember from earlier threads that not many of you trusted the validity of the snopes site. I suppose you changed your mind when you found something that agreed with you on there.

I still don't believe it is a valid explanation. The original filmmaker admitted it was old footage way back when.

Gabby, you're just wrong here. Many of us remember this from the day, though the real time footage has been squirreled away, I blame Bush for that.

[Voted4Reagan]

I remember from earlier threads that not many of you trusted the validity of the snopes site. I suppose you changed your mind when you found something that agreed with you on there.

I still don't believe it is a valid explanation. The original filmmaker admitted it was old footage way back when.

Then put up a link to an article that can be verified and checked...

Where is your PROOF GABBY?? Show us that you can back up that Jewel of wisdom you're spouting...

The Reuters reporter says it was real ... Reuters and CNN back him up...

Where is you proof? If you ever want to be taken seriously again SHOW US A LINK.

here is the footage


http://youtu.be/HRA0NKQ0k6E

[gabosaurus]

If I am wrong, then I am. But I have never seen anything to prove I am.
There was video shot on the day of the 9-11 attacks showing a small group of Palestinians dancing around, after encouragement by cameramen. If you look in the background, you see others milling about wondering what is going on.
There is a more circulated video showing groups of soldiers and militants celebrating and shooting their weapons into the air. This footage is from 1991 and shows celebrations over the invasion of Kuwait.
The German magazine Der Spiegel ran a lengthy story debunking the myth of the videos. You can probably find it in their archives.

What no one wanted to show was the reactions of more peaceful Muslims in places like Iran who showed shock and remorse over the attacks. Of course, this wouldn't fit into the Bush storyline.

http://floppingaces.net/2010/08/01/the-myth-that-the-muslim-world-celebrated-the-attacks-of-911/

[Voted4Reagan]

Gabby... in the 1991 Gulf war

THE PLO WAS ALLIED WITH IRAQ

They rooted against us.... not For us.

They didnt cheer our invading of Kuwait

Learn your History

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If I am wrong, then I am. But I have never seen anything to prove I am.
There was video shot on the day of the 9-11 attacks showing a small group of Palestinians dancing around, after encouragement by cameramen. If you look in the background, you see others milling about wondering what is going on.
There is a more circulated video showing groups of soldiers and militants celebrating and shooting their weapons into the air. This footage is from 1991 and shows celebrations over the invasion of Kuwait.
The German magazine Der Spiegel ran a lengthy story debunking the myth of the videos. You can probably find it in their archives.

What no one wanted to show was the reactions of more peaceful Muslims in places like Iran who showed shock and remorse over the attacks. Of course, this wouldn't fit into the Bush storyline.

http://floppingaces.net/2010/08/01/the-myth-that-the-muslim-world-celebrated-the-attacks-of-911/

Good God woman try learning history. The PLO did not celebrate our invasion of Kuwait!
here read this..--Tyr

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Gulf_War.html

On June 18, 1990, Saddam told an Islamic Conference meeting in Baghdad: "We will strike at [the Israelis] with all the arms in our possession if they attack Iraq or the Arabs." He declared "Palestine has been stolen," and exhorted the Arab world to "recover the usurped rights in Palestine and free Jerusalem from Zionist captivity" (Baghdad Domestic Service, June 18, 1990).


The PLO Backs SaddamThe PLO (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/plotoc.html), Libya (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/libya.html) and Iraq (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/iraq.html) were the only members who opposed an Arab League (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/arablgtoc.html) resolution calling for an Iraqi withdrawal from Kuwait (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/kuwait.html). The intifada (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/intifada.html)leadership sent a cable of congratulations to Saddam Hussein, describing the invasion of Kuwait as the first step toward the "liberation of Palestine" (Mideast Mirror, August 6, 1990).
PLO leader Yasir Arafat (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/arafat.html) played a critical role in sabotaging an Arab summit meeting that was to have been convened in Saudi Arabia (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/sa.html) to deal with the invasion. Arafat, the New York Times observed (August 5, 1990), "diverted attention from the planned summit and helped capsize it" by showing up in Egypt with a "peace plan" devised by Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi.
According to an eyewitness account by Al-Ahram editor Ibrahim Nafei, Arafat worked hard to "water down" any anti-Iraq resolution at the August 1990 Arab League meeting in Cairo. Arafat "moved from delegation to delegation, hand in hand with Tariq Aziz, the Iraqi Foreign Minister, who was openly threatening some Gulf and other Arab delegates that Iraq would turn them upside down," Nafei wrote (Al-Ahram, August 12, 1990).
In Amman, Jordan (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/jordan.html), a PLO official warned that Palestinian fighters had arrived in Yemen (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/yemen.html). "We expect them to take suicidal operations against the American troops in Saudi Arabia if the Americans move against Iraq," he declared. "There are more than 50,000 Palestinian fighters" in both Kuwait and Iraq, he said, who "will defend the interests of Iraq" (UPI, August 10, 1990). Abul Abbas, a member of the PLO Executive Committee, threatened that "any American target will become vulnerable" should the United States attack Iraq (Reuters, September 4, 1990).
In Jenin, August 12, 1,000 Palestinians marched, shouting: "Saddam, you hero, attack Israel with chemical weapons" (Associated Press, August 12, 1990).

[Voted4Reagan]

Good God woman try learning history. The PLO did not celebrate our invasion of Kuwait!
here read this..--Tyr

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Gulf_War.html

On June 18, 1990, Saddam told an Islamic Conference meeting in Baghdad: "We will strike at [the Israelis] with all the arms in our possession if they attack Iraq or the Arabs." He declared "Palestine has been stolen," and exhorted the Arab world to "recover the usurped rights in Palestine and free Jerusalem from Zionist captivity" (Baghdad Domestic Service, June 18, 1990).


The PLO Backs Saddam

The PLO (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/plotoc.html), Libya (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/libya.html) and Iraq (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/iraq.html) were the only members who opposed an Arab League (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/arablgtoc.html) resolution calling for an Iraqi withdrawal from Kuwait (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/kuwait.html). The intifada (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/intifada.html)leadership sent a cable of congratulations to Saddam Hussein, describing the invasion of Kuwait as the first step toward the "liberation of Palestine" (Mideast Mirror, August 6, 1990).
PLO leader Yasir Arafat (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/arafat.html) played a critical role in sabotaging an Arab summit meeting that was to have been convened in Saudi Arabia (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/sa.html) to deal with the invasion. Arafat, the New York Times observed (August 5, 1990), "diverted attention from the planned summit and helped capsize it" by showing up in Egypt with a "peace plan" devised by Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi.
According to an eyewitness account by Al-Ahram editor Ibrahim Nafei, Arafat worked hard to "water down" any anti-Iraq resolution at the August 1990 Arab League meeting in Cairo. Arafat "moved from delegation to delegation, hand in hand with Tariq Aziz, the Iraqi Foreign Minister, who was openly threatening some Gulf and other Arab delegates that Iraq would turn them upside down," Nafei wrote (Al-Ahram, August 12, 1990).
In Amman, Jordan (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/jordan.html), a PLO official warned that Palestinian fighters had arrived in Yemen (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/yemen.html). "We expect them to take suicidal operations against the American troops in Saudi Arabia if the Americans move against Iraq," he declared. "There are more than 50,000 Palestinian fighters" in both Kuwait and Iraq, he said, who "will defend the interests of Iraq" (UPI, August 10, 1990). Abul Abbas, a member of the PLO Executive Committee, threatened that "any American target will become vulnerable" should the United States attack Iraq (Reuters, September 4, 1990).
In Jenin, August 12, 1,000 Palestinians marched, shouting: "Saddam, you hero, attack Israel with chemical weapons" (Associated Press, August 12, 1990).

hey TYR.... I guess they dont teach History at U. California at "Jerk-LY"

And I beat you to the historical reference hours ago my friend... lol

I guess GABBY aka "Old Fart and Dart" will cut and run rather then admit she was WRONG.

well Gabby?

What say you?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

hey TYR.... I guess they dont teach History at U. California at "Jerk-LY"

And I beat you to the historical reference hours ago my friend... lol

I guess GABBY aka "Old Fart and Dart" will cut and run rather then admit she was WRONG.

well Gabby?

What say you?

Yes, saw your posts after I made mine, good job.. Sure Gabby will run rather than admit her huge mistake .
Had she integrity she would admit the error. And even apologize for her attitude as well IMHO.-TYR

[gabosaurus]

Not all Palestinians are members of the PLO. Perhaps YOU should learn your history.

[jimnyc]

I remember from earlier threads that not many of you trusted the validity of the snopes site. I suppose you changed your mind when you found something that agreed with you on there.

I still don't believe it is a valid explanation. The original filmmaker admitted it was old footage way back when.

I've always trusted the site as with each determination they offer proof. Care to link us to what you're talking about?

[Voted4Reagan]

Not all Palestinians are members of the PLO. Perhaps YOU should learn your history.

I proved my point...

The PLO/PA are one in the same...

The Palestinian people rejoiced when the towers were attacked and 3000 Americans Died

I showed to you the Video from 2001 showing this

We showed you that you were wrong about the claims you made and still continue to back...

The PLO Backed the Iraqi's in 1991... THERE WAS NO P.A. (PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY) Back then.... They didnt establish the PA until 1994.

I know my history better then you Gabby and will be more then happy to debate the Middle East with you anytime you like in the Cage with Jimmy or Abbey as the Moderator...

I propose the following:



One on One Debate

Voted4Reagan vs Gabosaurus

5 Questions on the topic weather the Palestinians Celebrated 9-11-2001 or not.

All Material must be supported by valid Citation of Sources.

NO BLOGS, NO WIKIPEDIA

JIMMY/ABBEY/KATHIANNE/DMP will Moderate and declare Winner

1 Day to answer each Question.

VOTED4REAGAN WILL TAKE THE "PRO" Position that the Palestinians Did Celebrate 9-11

GABOSAURUS will take the "CON" (contrary)position that it did not occur.



Failure to answer a question will result in an automatic loss
Not citing reference of a Valid source will constitute an automatic loss


If you are so determined to debate me here.... You certainly have the skills to debate me one on one..

Lets do it Gabby....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I proved my point...

The PLO/PA are one in the same...

The Palestinian people rejoiced when the towers were attacked and 3000 Americans Died

I showed to you the Video from 2001 showing this

We showed you that you were wrong about the claims you made and still continue to back...

The PLO Backed the Iraqi's in 1991... THERE WAS NO P.A. (PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY) Back then.... They didnt establish the PA until 1994.

I know my history better then you Gabby and will be more then happy to debate the Middle East with you anytime you like in the Cage with Jimmy or Abbey as the Moderator...

I propose the following:



One on One Debate

Voted4Reagan vs Gabosaurus

5 Questions on the topic weather the Palestinians Celebrated 9-11-2001 or not.

All Material must be supported by valid Citation of Sources.

NO BLOGS, NO WIKIPEDIA

JIMMY/ABBEY/KATHIANNE/DMP will Moderate and declare Winner

1 Day to answer each Question.

VOTED4REAGAN WILL TAKE THE "PRO" Position that the Palestinians Did Celebrate 9-11

GABOSAURUS will take the "CON" (contrary)position that it did not occur.



Failure to answer a question will result in an automatic loss
Not citing reference of a Valid source will constitute an automatic loss


If you are so determined to debate me here.... You certainly have the skills to debate me one on one..

Lets do it Gabby....


crickets.... :laugh2: -- http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_ImGtcjOr25Q8Rw1f0G690qq9WMhU-0FHEgqJPt_r307A85yXcAhttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_ImGtcjOr25Q8Rw1f0G690qq9WMhU-0FHEgqJPt_r307A85yXcA

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by gabosaurus http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=616508#post616508)
I remember from earlier threads that not many of you trusted the validity of the snopes site. I suppose you changed your mind when you found something that agreed with you on there.

I still don't believe it is a valid explanation. The original filmmaker admitted it was old footage way back when.



I've always trusted the site as with each determination they offer proof. Care to link us to what you're talking about?

Does she ever?

[Voted4Reagan]

crickets.... :laugh2: -- http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_ImGtcjOr25Q8Rw1f0G690qq9WMhU-0FHEgqJPt_r307A85yXcAhttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_ImGtcjOr25Q8Rw1f0G690qq9WMhU-0FHEgqJPt_r307A85yXcA

Of course my friend...... there is always silence when the Left/Liberals are asked to defend their positions in a clear debate with cited material and factual presentation... I have challenged Gabby, Bing,Windsong and others but have yet been taken up once in a ONE ON ONE DEBATE...

They say that we on the right wont have a Dialog on the issues. Yet every time we offer to put forth our ideas against thiers we are met with silence or some lame excuse....

The left doesnt want a dialog... they want capitulation to their style of thought only...

I will debate Gabby or Bing anytme...

yet they refuse to answer the call...... typical