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Kathianne
12-10-2012, 08:53 PM
I'm going to say upfront, I'm torn. I'm nearly convinced that the best response is to vote 'present,' explain why, and go from there. Let the chips fall where they may.

Then I read something along this line. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-forget-surrender-republicans-should-stand-and-fight/2012/12/10/8c0014c8-42de-11e2-9648-a2c323a991d6_story.html

It makes a great deal of sense.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/rw/WashingtonPost/Content/Staff-Bio/Images/marc-a-thiessen-114x80.png
<dl><dt>Marc A. Thiessen (http://www.washingtonpost.com/linksets/2010/07/06/AB67q7D_linkset.html)</dt><dd> Opinion Writer </dd></dl>


Republicans should stand and fightBy Marc A. Thiessen (http://www.washingtonpost.com/marc-a-thiessen/2011/02/24/ABwzFYN_page.html), <!-- For AP News Registry --> <abbr class="updated" title="2012-12-10T16:01:35-0400">Dec 10, 2012 04:01 PM EST</abbr>
The Washington Post <!-- /For AP News Registry --> Monday, December 10, 10:01 AM
<!-- /byline --> When the 1st Marine Regiment was encircled by communist forces at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir, Marine Col. Lewis “Chesty” Puller was said to have declared: “We’re surrounded. Good! Now we can fire in any direction.”

It’s time for congressional Republicans to adopt some of Puller’s courage — and strategy — when it comes to their fiscal stand-off with Barack Obama.Like Puller’s Marines, the GOP is surrounded. That means Republican leaders have only two options: 1) Surrender. 2) Stand and fight.


Right now, it seems as if they are seeking the least painful way to surrender. It’s time to stand and fight instead. Republicans can still shoot their way out of their current predicament. It won’t be pretty and they will have to fight ugly — but they can still win. Here is a three-step battle plan for doing so:


STEP ONE: Stand your ground on taxes. You’ve already conceded hundreds of billions in new revenue through limiting deductions. If Obama refuses to compromise, pass legislation extending current tax rates for all Americans. Let Obama reject it and take us over the “fiscal cliff” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-lets-go-over-the-fiscal-cliff/2012/11/19/be05bc72-3251-11e2-9cfa-e41bac906cc9_story.html) — and then be prepared to live under the Clinton tax rates while negotiations on tax reform continue. In the short term, Americans may blame you. You can recover from that. What you will never recover from is surrendering your principles and giving up your brand as the party of low taxes and limited government (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-in-cliff-talks-obama-on-brink-of-disaster/2012/12/03/b3ed6aec-3d5e-11e2-bca3-aadc9b7e29c5_story.html).


STEP TWO: Go on the offensive. Immediately put forward a plan to fundamentally reform the tax code. You will be able to outbid Obama and the Democrats in any tax-cut fight. And the intellectual groundwork has already been done. During the supercommittee negotiations last year, Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) put forward a plan to lower rates, raise revenue and limit deductions. Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) has a revenue-neutral corporate tax reform plan that lowers the rate to 25 percent and moves to a territorial system.


On the spending side, “soak the rich (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-soak-the-rich-gop-style/2011/09/28/gIQAn3Jk4K_story.html)” by getting rid of the billions of dollars in government benefits, taxpayer subsidies and corporate welfare the wealthy receive each year and don’t need, and by means-testing government programs from unemployment benefits to farm subsidies.


On entitlements, put forward a plan to save Social Security and Medicare through structural reforms and by reducing benefits for well-off retirees and eliminating them entirely for the wealthiest seniors. Propose a “Buffett Rule” of your own: Warren Buffett does not need taxpayers to subsidize his retirement and health care.


STEP THREE: Pass your plans. If the president refuses to negotiate and no progress is made by February, inform him that you will attach all or part of your plan to legislation raising the debt limit and pass it in the House. Then do so. Obama will sign it. Here is why:

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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
12-10-2012, 08:56 PM
I'm going to say upfront, I'm torn. I'm nearly convinced that the best response is to vote 'present,' explain why, and go from there. Let the chips fall where they may.

Then I read something along this line. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-forget-surrender-republicans-should-stand-and-fight/2012/12/10/8c0014c8-42de-11e2-9648-a2c323a991d6_story.html

It makes a great deal of sense.


Chesty Puller a great man truly. He keep all that hastily abandoned trucks and armor the army left behind . His men brought it out with them and back in the states used it for target practice. -Tyr

aboutime
12-10-2012, 08:57 PM
Agreed again Kathianne. I'd like to see the Republicans just sit quietly in the Senate, and allow Harry Reid to single-handedly show Smarter, Attention-paying Americans exactly how Democrats have the power, and capabilities to Destroy America...their way. And without Republicans standing in the way. Who can they blame when the YOU KNOW WHAT....finally HITS THE WESTINGHOUSE???

aboutime
12-10-2012, 08:59 PM
Chesty Puller a great man truly. He keep all that hastily abandoned trucks and armor the army left behind . His men brought it out with them and back in the states used it for target practice. -Tyr


IF ONLY WE HAD A REAL "MAN", SERVING IN THE WHITE HOUSE, or IN CONGRESS.

Chesty would tear all of them who call themselves Senators, Representatives, and President...
NEW ASS HOLES, and THEY WOULD THANK HIM!