Republicans gang up on Romney for "gifts" comment

[gabosaurus]

One day you're the party standard bearer, the next day you're an former pet dropped off at the pound.
Such are the fortunes of a losing politician.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-republicans-abandoning-romney-gifts-20121118,0,7640109.story

[darin]

The vote went the way it did for the following reasons:

1) People like those who promise free shit.
2) Voter Fraud.
3) Voter ignorance.

[Missileman]

One day you're the party standard bearer, the next day you're an former pet dropped off at the pound.
Such are the fortunes of a losing politician.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-republicans-abandoning-romney-gifts-20121118,0,7640109.story

Outrage and denial from members of the GOP doesn't alter the fact that Obama BOUGHT thousands, perhaps millions, of votes with taxpayer dollars.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Outrage and denial from members of the GOP doesn't alter the fact that Obama BOUGHT thousands, perhaps millions, of votes with taxpayer dollars.

He bought millions of votes with the promise of never ending free stuff, which translate into billions and billions of our tax dollars buying votes.--Tyr

[Noir]

Politics itself is the art of buying votes.
This time the Dems out-bought the Reps.
Maybe in 2016 the Reps will be able to out-buy the Dems.

[Little-Acorn]

The vote went the way it did for the following reasons:

1) People like those who promise free shit.
2) Voter Fraud.
3) Voter ignorance.

There's a fourth reason.

Voters have realized that government has moved into the business of favoring one group over another, and imposing its rules and restrictions based not on the complete equality demanded by the Constitution, but on constantly-changing standards of "deserving", such as whether they are minorities, whether they are in unions, whether they own land where the snail darter or spotted owl lives, etc. (Needless to say, people who have earned and saved a lot of money, are at the bottom of this list.)

So many of those voters have inserted another qualification on whom they will vote for, for President. Their preferred candidate must be one who will favor them above others.

Since such selfish (and even larcenous) desires are not socially acceptable, they couch it in innocent-sounding phrases such as "I want a candidate who understands me", or "I want a candidate who sympathizes with the problems I am facing".

Back when government's only functions were national defense, coining money, setting standards, dealing with foreign nations, prosecuting certain crimes etc., such "sympathizing" was unnecessary. People tended to vote for the candidate they thought could handle the actual, legitimate functions of government better. And they tended to vote for stern, fatherly figures such as George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Grover Cleveland etc. whom they thought would enforce the laws impartially and deal with challenges sternly and with some degree of integrity.

But now that government's main function has become to relieve you of the everyday problems in your own personal life (distributing health care, controlling the people around you and regulating what they built, what they sold you, what they said in your hearing, planning your retirement savings for you, deciding for you what your children could eat in school, and generally saving you from your own follies and mistakes), more and more voters have now decided that it is more important to have a President they can count on to favor them more than they favor people not like them.

Thus do candidates who fight to "give" them health care based on how much they need rather than how hard they work to pay for what they get, and who favor those who "need more" over those who managed to provide their own without the assistance of government, get voted for more often than candidates who promise to make sure nobody stops you from earning enough to pay for your own health care. Same for candidates who promise to get you into college due to your skin color or national origin, over candidates who promise to make sure you have the same (and no more) chance to get into college regardless of your skin color... but leave it up to you to pay for it yourself.

Back when such matter were none of government's business, there was no point in voting for the more "sympathetic" candidate... and people would even wonder what kind of slippery trick you were trying to pull if you wanted someone who promised to make sure a pound of grain would weigh more at your mill than at the next town's mill... weights and measures being one of the few legitimate functions of government the candidate would actually be able to influence, in obedience to the Constitution.

And in the timeless response to socialistic governments throughout history (including govts with those characteristics long before the term "socialism" was invented), even the people who wanted to stick to the old rules of actual fairness and impartiality, have started to see that it is now a losing gambit. If they don't try to sway government into favoring them more than their neighbor, they will simply find government favoring them far less and oppressing them even more.

And so, one by one, they gradually release their fealty toward stern, impartial govenment that stays out of their lives, and throw in their lot with the people already trying to cadge more favors from government, whether in the name of "making reparations for the wrongs done by previous generations" or "providing health care to those who don't have it (itself a misleading lie)". And they do their best to vote for the candidate who (they will righteously tell you) "understands my own plight a little better" or "sympathizes for people in my particular position" - both phrases that boil down to "he will do more good things for me, and relax the regulations a little more for me, than he will for that guy over there."

Dmp, you mentioned three reasons why people vote more and more for Obama. One of the ones you mentioned was "voter fraud".

But in a sense, I'm pointing out that voter fraud isn't just fraud perpetrated AGAINST voters. There's another kind: The subtle fraud perpetrated BY voters against their fellow men, in an attempt to get government "on my side and not on your side".

And though subtle, this other kind of fraud is the most pernicious in the long run, since it causes the remaining fair, upright voters to abandon, one by one, their dedication to truly impartial government, and go over to supporting corruptible, me-over-you government.

And the more people who go over to this corruptible, me-over-you government, the more pressure this puts on the remaining (and now dwindling) individual citizens who desire stern-but-impartial government, to give up that desire, follow.

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[Little-Acorn]

Hmm. You know, for years I have been trying to figure out a brief way to explain what's wrong with socialism, and what's wrong with (in general) the kind of schemes the liberals are pushing.

Rereading the above post, I think I just did it, finally.

Or at least got close.

Comment/criticism?

[gabosaurus]

Or, it could be -- voters didn't like Romney.

Or perhaps Obama bought more votes than Romney did. I am guessing that Rove's PAC didn't collect that $300 million to buy cookies and punch for the election day victory party.

But that's the way it goes. Bush won a close election in 2004 and it was a mandate. Obama won a close election in 2012 and it was fraud.

[Missileman]

Or, it could be -- voters didn't like Romney.

Or perhaps Obama bought more votes than Romney did. I am guessing that Rove's PAC didn't collect that $300 million to buy cookies and punch for the election day victory party.

But that's the way it goes. Bush won a close election in 2004 and it was a mandate. Obama won a close election in 2012 and it was fraud.

How many precincts across the country did Bush win 100% of the vote in?

[Abbey Marie]

The vote went the way it did for the following reasons:

1) People like those who promise free shit.
2) Voter Fraud.
3) Voter ignorance.


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[Abbey Marie]

Hmm. You know, for years I have been trying to figure out a brief way to explain what's wrong with socialism, and what's wrong with (in general) the kind of schemes the liberals are pushing.

Rereading the above post, I think I just did it, finally.

Or at least got close.

Comment/criticism?

I think you should start a separate thread on the topic. It is too big a topic for the middle of another thread.
:salute:

[Little-Acorn]

I think you should start a separate thread on the topic. It is too big a topic for the middle of another thread.
:salute:

Done.

And I expanded it a little... which might have been a mistake. One I often make.

[gabosaurus]

The vote went the way it did for the following reasons:

1) People like those who promise free shit.
2) Voter Fraud.
3) Voter ignorance.

The exact same thing can be said about the 2000 election. Especially the voter fraud part.
Bush promised shit. And he delivered shit. Along with over 4,000 dead soldiers.

[Abbey Marie]

The exact same thing can be said about the 2000 election. Especially the voter fraud part.
Bush promised shit. And he delivered shit. Along with over 4,000 dead soldiers.

Insofar as they failed to count a boatload of military absentee ballots, I would agree.