Dino tissue Carbon-14 dated to less than 40,000 years: Censored conference report

[revelarts]

Several things interesting about this story.
1. Scientist censoring info, say it aint so.
2. soft tissue surviving millions of years, well no thousands it seems .
3. 1000's of years old Dinosaurs?http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/smilies/eek.gif that CAN'T be right.... or can it?

Carbon-14 dating dinosaur bones (http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html)
AOGS 2012 (http://www.asiaoceania.org/aogs2012/public.asp?page=home.htm)



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Dinosaur bones Carbon-14 dated to less than 40,000 years - Censored international conference report

Researchers have found a reason for the puzzling survival of soft tissue and collagen in dinosaur bones – the bones are younger than anyone ever guessed. Carbon-14 (C-14) dating of multiple samples of bone from 8 dinosaurs from Texas, Alaska, Colorado, and Montana revealed that they are only 22,000 to 39,000 years old. Since dinosaurs are thought to be over 65 million years old, the news is stunning. And more than some can tolerate. After the AOGS-AGU conference in Singapore, the abstract was removed from the conference website by two chairmen because they could not accept the findings. Unwilling to challenge the data openly, they erased the report from public view without a word to the authors or even to the AOGS officers, until after an investigation. It won't be restored.

The researchers presented their findings at the 2012 Western Pacific Geophysics Meeting in Singapore, August 13-17, a conference of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) and the Asia Oceania Geosciences Society (AOGS).

Carbon-14 is considered to be unassailable in its reliability among dating methods. It’s accuracy as a technique has been verified by using C-14 to date artifacts whose age is known historically. The possibility that the amount of C-14 in the air has fluctuated adds a small uncertainty. But the greater possibility for error is that the amount of C-14 in bone samples has been altered by contaminants such as decayed organic matter from soils.

Dr. Thomas Seiler, a physicist from Germany, gave the presentation in Singapore. He says that his team and the laboratories they employed took special care to avoid contamination. That included protecting the samples, avoiding cracked areas in the bones, and meticulous pre-cleaning of the samples with chemicals to remove possible contaminants. Knowing that small concentrations of collagen can attract contamination, they compared precision Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS) tests of collagen and bioapatite (hard carbonate bone mineral) with conventional counting methods of large bone fragments from the same dinosaurs. "Comparing such entirely different molecules as minerals and organics from the same bone region, we obtained concordant C-14 signals which were well below the upper limits of C-14 dating. These, together with many other remarkable signal concordances between samples from different fossils, geographic regions and stratigraphic positions make random contamination as origin of the C-14 signals unlikely", he notes. "If dinosaur bones are 65 million years old, there should not be one atom of C-14 left in them."

Many dinosaur bones are not fossilized. Dr. Mary Schweitzer, associate professor of marine, earth, and atmospheric sciences at North Carolina State University, surprised scientists in 2005 when she reported finding soft tissue in dinosaur bones. She started a firestorm of controversy in 2007 and 2008 when she reported that she had sequenced proteins in the dinosaur bone. Critics charged that the findings were mistaken or that what she called soft tissue was really biofilm produced by bacteria that had entered from outside the bone. Schweitzer answered the challenge by testing with antibodies. Her report in 2009 confirmed the presence of collagen and other proteins that bacteria do not make. Also in 2009, the team of Dr. Phil Wilby discovered a fossilized squid that contained a sac of ink so well-preserved that it could be used in a pen for writing, found in rock that is considered to be 150 million years old. ....
...In 2011, a Swedish team found soft tissue and biomolecules in the bones of another creature from the time of the dinosaurs, a Mosasaur, which was a giant lizard that swam in shallow ocean waters. Schweitzer herself wonders why these materials are preserved when all the models say they should be degraded. That is, if they are over 65 million years old as the conventional wisdom says....


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Science OPEN inquiry and all that , for SOME scientist stiil thats good news

...Carbon-14 dating of bone is one of the most difficult tasks in carbon dating, and requires the most care of any carbonaceous material. This is mainly due to the nature of bone, which is a very porous material. Certain parts of bone look like a sponge under the microscope. Many dinosaur bones are hard as rock because the original material has been replaced with a silicon material such as quartz. These are “mineralized” or “fossilized”. We have found un-mineralized dinosaur bones. We then scrape the outer surface off to get rid of surface contamination, and date the inner remaining material. One can date just the purified bioapatite, the total organics, or the collagen. Or, all three components can be dated, as was done by us (see chart).
The discovery of collagen in a Tyrannosaurus-Rex dinosaur femur bone was reported in the journal SCIENCE. This is an outstanding find because collagen, being a soft tissue present in most animals, is supposed to decay in a few thousand years. Collagen is the main protein found in connective tissue of animals. It can make up as much as 1 to 6 percent of muscle mass. Triceratops and Hadrosaur femur bones in excellent condition were discovered in Glendive Montana, and our group received permission to saw them in half and collect samples for Carbon-14 testing. Both bones were tested by a licensed lab for presence of collagen. Both bones did in fact contain some collagen.
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Click here to see YouTube video of the conference dino presentation


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Carbon-14 dated dinosaur bones - under 40,000 years old - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbdH3l1UjPQ)

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Click here for conference document of schedule (17:00) and abstract BG02-A012
http://newgeology.us/BG02-A012%20Abstract.pdf

On the conference website, the abstract was removed from position number 5;
AOGS - AGU (WPGM) Joint Assembly (http://www.asiaoceania.org/aogs2012/mars2/pubViewAbs.asp?sMode=session&sId=2&submit=Browse+Abstracts)

[Gaffer]

Interesting. So it's possible some large reptiles existed 40,000 years ago. What's the big deal. Just another piece of the evolutionary puzzle. Sounds like a bunch of scientists are just battling over their own ideologies.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Interesting. So it's possible some large reptiles existed 40,000 years ago. What's the big deal. Just another piece of the evolutionary puzzle. Sounds like a bunch of scientists are just battling over their own ideologies.

Here is the big deal. Evolution gives huge amounts of time to allow for the changes that allowed extremely small organisms(microscopic) to evolve into the larger organisms then into the much more complex and larger animals.
Evolution gives time frames in millions of years but here we have 40,000 years ago that dino's still existed which clearly tosses a big kink in the whole evolution theory and it time frames.. Which by the way is bull anyways IMHO..-TYR

[Gaffer]

Just cause something survived until 40,000 years ago doesn't discount evolution. The dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago. But there's nothing says some didn't make it through and remain as they had been during that whole time. They have found fish they though were extinct for millions of years. It's all pieces of a very large puzzle and we only have a few of the pieces. They are not even sure if the dating is correct or might have been contaminated in some way. So there's nothing definite about this yet. The thing about science and evolution is that nothings set in stone. Hypothesis and theories change based on new evidence.

[aboutime]

Just cause something survived until 40,000 years ago doesn't discount evolution. The dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago. But there's nothing says some didn't make it through and remain as they had been during that whole time. They have found fish they though were extinct for millions of years. It's all pieces of a very large puzzle and we only have a few of the pieces. They are not even sure if the dating is correct or might have been contaminated in some way. So there's nothing definite about this yet. The thing about science and evolution is that nothings set in stone. Hypothesis and theories change based on new evidence.


Gaffer. Finally. A real life, Biography that proves LARRY KING has been around longer than everyone else!

We all know. LARRY KING didn't evolve. CNN didn't come till much later.
:laugh2:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Just cause something survived until 40,000 years ago doesn't discount evolution. The dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago. But there's nothing says some didn't make it through and remain as they had been during that whole time. They have found fish they though were extinct for millions of years. It's all pieces of a very large puzzle and we only have a few of the pieces. They are not even sure if the dating is correct or might have been contaminated in some way. So there's nothing definite about this yet. The thing about science and evolution is that nothings set in stone. Hypothesis and theories change based on new evidence.

All thats true . So when people try to tell me its a done deal on Evolution I dont believe it. When a theory is constantly having to be changed then its not a done deal and not a reality as if its been proven yet.. However the Evolution supporters declare that it is. It is not.. -Tyr

[Gaffer]

All thats true . So when people try to tell me its a done deal on Evolution I dont believe it. When a theory is constantly having to be changed then its not a done deal and not a reality as if its been proven yet.. However the Evolution supporters declare that it is. It is not.. -Tyr

The real evolution supporters don't believe anything is a done deal until it's been completely proven with undeniable proof and then it becomes law in the scientific community. Like the Law of gravity. And even then they will look for any anomaly that may prove differently. Nothing is absolute.

[Noir]

Carbon dating can give wildly innacurate dates if not applied correctly.
I've read about tests were living mice have be Carbon Dated to be thousands of years old. etc.

[gabosaurus]

http://www.anycalculator.com/carbon14calculator.htm

[revelarts]

Gaffer
here's the issue
Scientist have been saying it's a SURE thing that Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago.
and have been using that as a whipping post for ANYONE casting doubt on that "fact" of evolution.

Now you want to say it doesn't matter. But some scientist aren't at that point yet. They don't even want to acknowledge it yet. they know it's a pillar of their time lines. It throws stuff off, the so called meteor that "may have" (they don't know ) caused the now in doubt extinction 65 MILLION years ago for instance.

It doesn't completely crush evolution but it calls into question a lot of stuff.


Carbon dating can give wildly inaccurate dates if not applied correctly.
I've read about tests were living mice have be Carbon Dated to be thousands of years old. etc.

Now that fact has been used by creationist for years but often poo pooped by "real" scientist and evolution supporters.
But I agree, there's no doubt that the carbon dating methods are often inaccurate and inconclusive. In this case they are suppose to be using it to date within the range of yrs it's suppose to be accurate. 100,000 yrs and less. That's by the standards most evolutionary scientist use. So it's their own standard, carefully and rigorously applied on multiple samples. And as Good scientist they ask others to REPEAT the test to see what they find.

But just the fact that they've found cartilage AT ALL proves that many Dinosaurs fossils are NOT Millions of years old. Cartilage and other soft tissue would not survive that long. No need really for other test. That's Proof by scientific standards most people can grasp. Living tissue decays/rots/fossilizes over decades and centuries, rarely into millenniums and never into 10s of millions of years.

[Robert A Whit]

Interesting. So it's possible some large reptiles existed 40,000 years ago. What's the big deal. Just another piece of the evolutionary puzzle. Sounds like a bunch of scientists are just battling over their own ideologies.

I beleive that in the old days, dinosaurs were thought to be reptiles. But more recent discoveries show they were warm blooded and indeed related to birds.

No known bird is cold blooded.

Some dinosaurs were thought to be slow moving. This is because most reptiles are slow until fully warmed up in the sunlight.

Birds as you know don't need to warm up in the sun.

A Paleontologist from Bozeman MT came up with the idea that dinosaurs were warm blooded.

As to DNA taken from bones even 40,000 years ago and carbon dating?

I dunno. Not sure.

[Gaffer]

I beleive that in the old days, dinosaurs were thought to be reptiles. But more recent discoveries show they were warm blooded and indeed related to birds.

No known bird is cold blooded.

Some dinosaurs were thought to be slow moving. This is because most reptiles are slow until fully warmed up in the sunlight.

Birds as you know don't need to warm up in the sun.

A Paleontologist from Bozeman MT came up with the idea that dinosaurs were warm blooded.

As to DNA taken from bones even 40,000 years ago and carbon dating?

I dunno. Not sure.

Yep, there is a theory that our present day birds are decedents of the dinosaurs. Actually it makes sense. Since evolution is all about adapting to environment.

[Abbey Marie]

Why toss it out of the conference? Afraid of something? :rolleyes:

[Noir]

Why toss it out of the conference? Afraid of something? :rolleyes:

Because in science you don't publish every set of findings you have to conference or the media. The data has to be reviewed, subjected to rigger and testing.
Otherwise it ends with egg on its face, classic examples like 'Cold Fusion' and 'Faster than light nutrinos' show all to well what happens when scientists rush to publication and conference when bizarre results are recorded, even if they are recored again and again.

Either way there will be something big in this story, better make sure and get it right, no?

[PostmodernProphet]

You should take a look at a book called Forbidden Archaeology.......there are something like 200,000 incidents of evidence that contradict the scientific explanation of how things came to be that have been rejected.....seems that each one of them is merely a single example of an isolated event that can be dismissed out of hand......

[Marcus Aurelius]

Carbon dating can give wildly innacurate dates if not applied correctly.
I've read about tests were living mice have be Carbon Dated to be thousands of years old. etc.

Not C-14 dating. It's generally extremely accurate.

[revelarts]

Because in science you don't publish every set of findings you have to conference or the media. The data has to be reviewed, subjected to rigger and testing.
Otherwise it ends with egg on its face, classic examples like 'Cold Fusion' and 'Faster than light nutrinos' show all to well what happens when scientists rush to publication and conference when bizarre results are recorded, even if they are recored again and again.

Either way there will be something big in this story, better make sure and get it right, no?

As mentioned in the article, the testing was careful and rigorous. And it's not the 1st time the results have been shown. AND they asked others to review there findings. And they've asked other to repeat the test on different samples.

one of the issues here is that since everyone has assumed that's all dinos are 65million + yrs old so no ones been looking to see if there is cartilage and soft tissue available to test.

which again, cartilage and soft tissue, should prove on it's face that many Dinosaurs remnants are NOT millions of years old.

[Marcus Aurelius]

As mentioned in the article, the testing was careful and rigorous. And it's not the 1st time the results have been shown. AND they asked others to review there findings. And they've asked other to repeat the test on different samples.

one of the issues here is that since everyone has assumed that's all dinos are 65million + yrs old so no ones been looking to see if there is cartilage and soft tissue available to test.

which again, cartilage and soft tissue, should prove on it's face that many Dinosaurs remnants are NOT millions of years old.

That is the key word... 'assumed'. Personally, I find the thought that dinos, or at least 'some' dinos, may not be nearly as old as we thought fascinating.

[revelarts]

Because in science you don't publish every set of findings you have to conference or the media. The data has to be reviewed, subjected to rigger and testing.
Otherwise it ends with egg on its face, classic examples like 'Cold Fusion' and 'Faster than light nutrinos' show all to well what happens when scientists rush to publication and conference when bizarre results are recorded, even if they are recorded again and again.

Either way there will be something big in this story, better make sure and get it right, no?

And as the article also stated it's not the 1st time this information has been presented.
news came out about the soft tissue in dinosaurs in 2005 . But everyone knew that it "SHOULD NOT be there" if the evolutionary timelines were correct. So many people tried to come up with alternative explanations, however the research has confirmed the soft tissue finds now this research just confirms what it obviously means, that the soft tissue is not millions of years old. therefore the dinosaurs didn't die off 65 millions yrs ago. EVEN THOUGH they were found in ROCK ASSUMED to be that old.

[Marcus Aurelius]

fascinating article on this discovery, from 2006.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur.html


Schweitzer, one of the first scientists to use the tools of modern cell biology to study dinosaurs, has upended the conventional wisdom by showing that some rock-hard fossils tens of millions of years old may have remnants of soft tissues hidden away in their interiors. “The reason it hasn’t been discovered before is no right-thinking paleontologist would do what Mary did with her specimens. We don’t go to all this effort to dig this stuff out of the ground to then destroy it in acid,” says dinosaur paleontologist Thomas Holtz Jr., of the University of Maryland. “It’s great science.” The observations could shed new light on how dinosaurs evolved and how their muscles and blood vessels worked. And the new findings might help settle a long-running debate about whether dinosaurs were warmblooded, coldblooded—or both.


“When she first found the red-blood-cell-looking structures, I said, Yep, that’s what they look like,” her mentor recalls. He thought it was possible they were red blood cells, but he gave her some advice: “Now see if you can find some evidence to show that that’s not what they are.” What she found instead was evidence of heme in the bones—additional support for the idea that they were red blood cells. Heme is a part of hemoglobin, the protein that carries oxygen in the blood and gives red blood cells their color. “It got me real curious as to exceptional preservation,” she says. If particles of that one dinosaur were able to hang around for 65 million years, maybe the textbooks were wrong about fossilization.

[pete311]

Good God people. Look at the damn sources provided. A some no name crackpot website and a no name conference with like 20 people attending. There has been no legit news or journal studies on this.

[darin]

Do you get dirt in your ears from having your head in the sand? :)

[Marcus Aurelius]

As mentioned in the article, the testing was careful and rigorous. And it's not the 1st time the results have been shown. AND they asked others to review there findings. And they've asked other to repeat the test on different samples.

one of the issues here is that since everyone has assumed that's all dinos are 65million + yrs old so no ones been looking to see if there is cartilage and soft tissue available to test.

which again, cartilage and soft tissue, should prove on it's face that many Dinosaurs remnants are NOT millions of years old.

ding ding ding ding! we have a winner.

[pete311]

ding ding ding ding! we have a winner.

It's a little more than an assumption when 99.999% of the tests performed on dino fossils suggest millions of years old.

One small fry unverified study does not flip the current consensus on it's head.

cartilage and soft tissue were not found. you make it sound like rotting flesh was in the bone. the mineral matrix was dissolved with an acid and the result was proteins and collagen fibers were found. They mean that polymer molecules were interspersed with mineral crystals. That is a lot different. protein preservation is amazing no doubt. I've read a few quotes from scientists that it's not out of the realm of possibility for proteins to be preserved for millions of years given the right conditions. After all a very poorly made mummy can preserve collagen after 2000+ years. Organic molecules don't decompose on a fixed schedule. Organic molecules last until something happens to them. There is no expiration date on organic molecules isolated from microorganisms.

[gabosaurus]

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[revelarts]

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Jul 24, 2014 ... Attorneys for a Cal State Northridge scientist who was terminated from his job after discovering soft tissue on a triceratops fossil have filed a ...

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In fossils like these, the body was protected from decay long enough for minerals to replace the soft tissues faster than they could decay. The soft tissues ...

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Jul 25, 2014 ... Several ground-breaking discoveries in the last decade have revealed preserved soft tissue on dinosaur remains, such as the recent finding of ...

Dinosaur Soft Tissue is Original Biological Material | Bob Enyart Live (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue)

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More Soft Dinosaur Tissue, Now from an "80 Million" Year Old Hadrosaur: Consistent with the expectations of biblical creationists, according to Nat'l Geographic, ...

Apologetics Press - Soft Tissue from a Dinosaur? (http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/304)

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Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained - LiveScience (http://www.livescience.com/41537-t-rex-soft-tissue.html)

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Nov 26, 2013 ... They found the proteins really did come from dinosaur soft tissue. The tissue was collagen, they reported in the journal Science, and it shared ...

Blood from Stone: How Fossils Can Preserve Soft Tissue - Scientific ... (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/blood-from-stone/)

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Mounting evidence from dinosaur bones shows that, contrary to common belief, organic materials can sometimes survive in fossils for millions of years.

Dinosaur soft tissue - creation.com (http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue)

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Jan 28, 2014 ... Evolutionist Mary Schweitzer trying desperately to explain dinosaur soft tissue by saying iron in blood preserved it 70+ million years.

University Fired Scientist For Finding Soft Tissue on Dinosaur Horn (http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/18549/)

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Jul 25, 2014 ... In the summer of 2012, while at the world-famous dinosaur dig at Hell ... “The finding of soft tissue in a triceratops horn, complete with bone ...

Mary Higby Schweitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Higby_Schweitzer)

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... is known for leading the groups that discovered the remains of blood cells in dinosaur fossils and later discovered soft tissue remains in the Tyrannosaurus rex ...

Iron Key to Preserving Dinosaur Soft Tissue | Answers in Genesis (https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/bones/iron-key-to-preserving-dinosaur-soft-tissue/)

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Dec 4, 2013 ... Iron may paradoxically be the key, claim evolutionist researchers, to preserving dinosaur soft tissue for evolution's assumed millions of years.

Scientist Fired After Soft Tissue Found On A Dinosaur Fossil ... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRb153blmSA)

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Jul 26, 2014 ... http://www.undergroundworldnews.com A microscope scientist working for California State University has been fired following the discovery ...

Massive Dinosaur Soft Tissue Discovery In China – Includes Skin ... (http://www.infowars.com/massive-dinosaur-soft-tissue-discovery-in-china-includes-skin-and-feathers/)

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Mar 7, 2014 ... A fossil bed in China that is being called “Jurassic Park” has yielded perhaps the greatest dinosaur soft tissue discovery of all time. According to ...

WORLD | Trumpeting a dinosaur horn | Daniel James Devine | July ... (http://www.worldmag.com/2014/07/trumpeting_a_dinosaur_horn)

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Jul 25, 2014 ... Other scientists have recognized the quandary created by soft dinosaur tissue. In 2008, some researchers attempted to solve the problem by ...

Dinosaur Soft Tissue Issue Is Here to Stay (http://www.icr.org/article/dinosaur-soft-tissue-issue-here-stay/)

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In recent decades, soft, squishy tissues have been discovered inside fossilized dinosaur bones. They seem so fresh that it appears as though the bodies were ...

Dinosaur Soft Tissue Preserved by Blood? (http://www.icr.org/article/dinosaur-soft-tissue-preserved-by-blood/)

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Dec 11, 2013 ... Researchers are now suggesting that iron embedded in blood proteins preserved the still-soft tissues, cells, and molecules discovered inside ...

T. Rex Soft Tissue Found Preserved - National Geographic News (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0324_050324_trexsofttissue.html)

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Mar 24, 2005 ... For the first time, scientists have extracted what appears to be soft tissue from a dinosaur. The meaty-looking tissue seems to contain blood ...

Molecular analysis supports controversial claim for dinosaur cells ... (http://www.nature.com/news/molecular-analysis-supports-controversial-claim-for-dinosaur-cells-1.11637)

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Oct 22, 2012 ... New evidence adds heat to the argument over prehistoric dinosaur ... Do fossils of dinosaurs, such as Tyrannosaurus rex, contain soft tissues?




etc etc...

[revelarts]

http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue

"* Another RSR Prediction (http://kgov.com/predictions#soft) Confirmed: Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams had predicted on air early in 2014 that original dinosaur and other soft tissue would be found largely independent of the claimed age of the fossil. Now that allegedly 530 million-year-old remains have been reported in the Journal of Paleontology (http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1666/13-003) of the original and still soft tissue of Precambrian "beard worm" fossils, we are calling that prediction confirmed!RSR presents here the scientific journals reporting, the kinds of biological material found so far, and the dinosaurs yielding up these exciting discoveries:"


Scientific Journals: Nature, Science, PNAS, PLoS One, Proceedings of the Royal Society, Bone, the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, and others below in our chronological catalog (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#research), "the web's most complete list of dinosaur soft tissue discoveries," as published in many leading journals, according to a co-author of one of those papers.

Biological Material Found: As of April 2014, in fossils from dinosaur-layer and deeper strata, researchers have discovered flexible and transparent blood vessels, red blood cells, many various proteins including the microtubule building block tubulin, collagen, the cytoskeleton component actin, and hemoglobin, bone maintenance osteocyte cells, and powerful evidence for DNA.

Dinosaur and Dinosaur-Layer Creatures: The dinosaurs and other Mesozoic creatures that have yielded their biological material are hadrosaur, titanosaur, ornithomimosaur [ostrich-like dinosaurs], mosasaur, triceratops, Lufengosaurs, T. rex, and Archaeopteryx.
As you view the exciting scientific discoveries below in this chronological catalog, please feel free to listen (http://kgov.s3.amazonaws.com/bel/2013/20130517-BEL099.mp3) to Real Science Radio (http://kgov.com/science) co-hosts Fred Williams (http://evolutionfairytale.com/) and Bob Enyart (http://KGOV.com/about) observe their annual tradition of presenting dinosaur soft tissue and other amazing discoveries including short-lived left-handed amino acids (http://kgov.com/soft#amino-acids), DNA (http://kgov.com/soft#dna-half-life), and Carbon 14 (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#C14), all in bones and other specimens from dinosaur-layer Mesozoic and even deeper strata.http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050324/050324_trex_softtissue_hlg10a.hlarge.jpg (http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050324/050324_trex_softtissue_hlg10a.hlarge.jpg) http://kgov.com/files/images/science/t-rexbloodvessels-cells.jpg (http://KGOV.com/files/images/science/t-rexbloodvessels-cells.jpg)


* "65-million" Year Old T. rex Soft Tissue: The T. rex photos above are actually old news, whereas all the latest published journal papers, through 2013, are listed chronologically, below (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#research). As for these photos though, North Carolina State University discovered this original biological tissue from a supposedly 65-million year old Tyrannosaurus Rex thighbone, with transparent and pliable blood vessels containing red blood cells. See these and other T. rex (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10061&d=1155001614) photos at Smithsonian Magazine (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/multimedia/photos/?c=y&articleID=10021606) and MS-NBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/), and see an early Nat'l Geographic report (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070412-dino-tissues.html). Famed paleontologist Jack Horner (http://kgov.com/jack-horner) of Montana State University worked the excavation site (http://KGOV.com/files/images/science/t-rexsoftexcavationsite.jpg). In a 2011 development, ten leading universities and institutes including Harvard, the University of Manchester, and the University of Pennsylvania published in PLoS One, a peer-reviewed journal, that they had verified that presumed dinosaur material is indeed original biological tissue from a dinosaur (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0020381)! Creationists refer to dinosaurs as missionary lizards for many reasons including:
- the short-lived Carbon 14 everywhere (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#C14) including in dinosaur bones
- the 521-year half-life of DNA (http://KGOV.com/soft#dna-half-life) that helps date the actual age of fossils containing dinosaurian genetic material, and
- the mostly left-handed (http://KGOV.com/list#amino-acids) amino acids that should be equally right and left handed if they were "Jurassic", and
- the research on Egyptian mummies that established 10,000 years as an upper limit for how long original biological molecules could survive. Interestingly, the renowned evolutionist PZ Myers ridiculed (http://kgov.com/PZ-Myers) our Real Science Radio program by repeating what had been a widely-discredited secular hope that the "soft-tissue" dinosaur finds were "biofilm (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#biofilm)" contamination from bacteria. But as 60 Minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJOQiyLFMNY#t=8m57s) shows and Bob Enyart sums it up, "This is dinosaur."

[fj1200]

Scientists just found soft tissue inside a dinosaur fossil. Here's why that's so exciting. (http://www.vox.com/2015/6/9/8748035/dinosaur-fossil-blood-proteins)

Dinosaur fossils, it was long thought, are simple objects. The fossilization process leaves the overall shape of a dinosaur's bones intact, but all the microscopic structures inside them — the blood cells, connective fibers, and other sorts of soft tissue — inevitably decay over time.
But that view is changing — and it's possible that many ancient fossils may preserve more detail than meets the eye. The sort of biological tissue now being found in some fossils could tell us about dinosaur anatomy, behavior, and evolution in ways that weren't possible just a few years ago.

:dunno:

[revelarts]

Scientists just found soft tissue inside a dinosaur fossil. Here's why that's so exciting. (http://www.vox.com/2015/6/9/8748035/dinosaur-fossil-blood-proteins)




:dunno:

Yeah "the view is changing."

but the science of decay is fixed. But creating stories to keep the old theoretical dates intact are fluid.

so far there have been at least 3 scientific options floated to try to explain away the soft tissue.

1st it was that it was not Dino tissue at all, that it was a --get it now RECENT-- bio film. that was the 1st.
why? because the science of decay rate for living tissue is well known. it's real experimental science.

after the 1st option was proved false.
then the more creative speculations came up,
mostly based on the environments the fossil where found in.

one said it was "DRY" therefore... But the tissue has been found in areas were it's been wet overtime as well.

the 1st discoverer of Dino tissue has tried to say that it's becsue there's the presence of extra IRON in the soils therefore....
but that doesn't account for it either.

the fact is there is no way account for what we all know.
if you put a bone in the ground. Desert, bog, snowy mountain, river bed, forest floor, that over time within a few to a few thousand years your not going have have any soft tissue left.

it's been shown in mummies, and other buried bones of known date.
And add to the that the carbon 14 dating and you have 2 reliable scientific points to fix your recent dates with.
if we want to be scientific then the FACTS should change the therioes of long ages. but it's DOGMA so people will fight rather than change.

[revelarts]

dinosaur soft tissue
http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue


...the allegedly 530 million-year-old still soft, original biological material has been reported in the Journal of Paleontology (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#Journal-of-Paleontology-2014) from a pre-Cambrian marine.

..* Carbon-14 Found Everywhere It's Not Supposed To Be (even in dinosaur fossils (http://realscienceradio.com/dating-a-dinosaur)): C-14 decays in only thousands of years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dWTeregEA) and therefore cannot last for millions. Thus evolutionists did not expect to find C-14 EVERYWHERE it shouldn't be if the earth were old (Answers, 2011 (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v6/n1/carbon-14)). Carbon-14 is found in coal (http://www.globalflood.org/papers/2003ICCc14.html), oil, limestone, fossil wood (http://creation.com/geological-conflict), graphite, natural gas (http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/abstracts/Abstracts44-2.htm), marble (http://www.globalflood.org/papers/2003ICCc14.html), dinosaur fossils (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#peer-reviewed-dino-carbon-dating), and even in supposedly billion-year-old diamonds (http://creation.com/diamonds-a-creationists-best-friend)! A secondary assumption by old-earth scientists proposed that the C-14 in diamonds (coal, etc.) must have come from N-13 (or C-13, etc.) and neutron capture (http://creation.com/diamonds-a-creationists-best-friend). Calculations can falsify this claim as Dr. Jonathan Sarfati argues, for scarce crustal radioactivity (http://kgov.com/files/docs/USGSradioactive-abundance.pdf) could explain less than one 10,000th of the C-14 in diamonds, and similarly, there would have to be thousands of times more uranium, thorium, etc. throughout the earth's crust everywhere that these globally dispersed materials are found.) That Mosasaur (above (http://kgov.com/list#mosasaur), shown by researchers to have original biological material and not contamination, also contained five percent modern carbon. Radiocarbon also exists even in supposedly million-year-old two-mile deep natural gas wells (CRSQ Fall 2007 (http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/abstracts/Abstracts44-2.htm)): "Once again, fossil gas is not carbon-14 dead. Thus, the age of the gases is on the order of thousands, not millions of years.” See RSR 3-28-08 (http://kgov.com/bel/20080328). See more at RSR's List of Not So Old Things (http://realscienceradio.com/list#c14)and in Round Four (http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=132742&sid=cea86fe38006c5bb8bbdd372d944a97a#p132742) of our debate with AronRa. C-14 in specimens supposedly millions or a billion years old is so ubiquitous that it is longer an anomaly. And while old-earthers had hoped they could attribute it to contamination, Dr. John Baumgardner, of Los Alamos National Labs has documented in Dec, 2010 Creation Matters (http://www.creationresearch.org/creation_matters/2010.htm) that C-14 exists even in the hardest naturally-occurring, contamination-resistant substance on earth, within diamonds. The earth is young.* RSR Offers $23,000 Grant to Paleontologist Jack Horner for C-14 Test: You can listen to our Real Science Radio conversation with famed paleontologist Jack Horner, curator at Montana State University's Museum of the Rockies, who excavated the above soft tissue T. rex. Bob offered Jack Horner a $23,000 grant to carbon date his specimen. (See also the grant letter (http://kgov.com/jack-horner).)


* Studies Carbon Dating Mosasaur and Dinosaur Bones: Saving RSR a lot (http://kgov.com/jack-horner) of money, including in connection with soft tissue, scientists have begun reporting carbon dating of Mesozoic-layer (not era) fossil bones:
- Carbon 14 in a Mosasaur Bone: The 2011 peer-reviewed PLoS One paper excerpted below (http://kgov.com/soft#2011-PLoS) reported significant 14C measured in an allegedly 80-million year old dinosaur-layer fossil. However, they interpreted it in a manner inconsistent with the primary finding of their paper, claiming that the 14C must be from contamination. This runs somewhat counter to their conclusion that the biological material in the small bone IS NOT from bacterial or other contamination. If the carbon 14 were from contamination, such a condition would make the claim of survival of allegedly 80-million year old biological material even more obviously impossible.
- 14C in 10 Dinosaurs Reported at 2012 AGU Conference: Real Science Radio interviewed (http://realscienceradio.com/dating-a-dinosaur) a scientist returning from the American Geophysical Union's conference in Singapore where his international team presented results from five respected laboratories documenting significant quantities of Carbon 14 in bones from ten dinosaurs excavated from Alaska, Europe, Texas, Montana, and China's Gobi Desert. Radioactivity tests helped to discount neutron capture as a source for the modern carbon. And see also the reasons why contamination is not a valid explanation (http://realscienceradio.com/dating-a-dinosaur#contamination).
- Some Dino 14C from Contamination: The PLoS One 2008 study (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#2008-PLoS) that had found bacterial biofilm carbon dated that specimen and found so much modern carbon, in excess of 1950 quantities, that it was rightly attributed to contamination.
- Mary Schweitzer 14C Rumor: A spring 2012 rumor has it that Mary Schweitzer has carbon dated soft tissue dinosaur specimens but has not released the results. Of course she may interpret the results as misleading or insignificant but let's hope and pray that she makes the data public.

* Historic DNA Discovery: Dr. Mary Schweitzer has published her 2013 discovery in the journal Bone, documenting the presence of four proteins in dinosaur fossils and the presence of dinosaur DNA (see below (http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#2013-Bone) and Dr. Jonathan Sarfati's analysis at creation.com (http://creation.com/dino-dna-bone-cells)).

[fj1200]

but it's DOGMA so people will fight rather than change.

I'll agree with you on dogma but not that man walked the earth with dinosaurs. :poke:

[revelarts]

I'll agree with you on dogma but not that man walked the earth with dinosaurs. :poke:


But if the evidence indicates that, what are we suppose to do?:poke:

[fj1200]

But if the evidence indicates that, what are we suppose to do?:poke:

Go see Jurassic Park and duck. :eek:

[Voted4Reagan]

Seriously... you guys just HAD to NECRO this turd from 3 years ago?

Slow news day or something?

[red state]

I actually enjoyed reading some old posts that I missed out on when my mom was battling cancer that year. I even placed a couple of THANKS and a REP to Noir from the first few posts.

[fj1200]

Seriously... you guys just HAD to NECRO this turd from 3 years ago?

Slow news day or something?

If the thread is still valid...

[aboutime]

But if the evidence indicates that, what are we suppose to do?:poke:


Easy answer to all of this, and NO Human being on Earth...not even you rev, can answer it.

Were you there? Were you able to provide any kind of evidence from Personally witnessing such?

What some INSIST is evidence, is someone else's DOUBT, or Disbelief.

Until someone, other than a scientist can state...Without a Doubt. It's all DOGMA.

[darin]

Science today seeks less truth than affirmation. Just as folks were burned or killed or mock with radical ideas of the earth being ROUND, ANY...and I mean ANY evidence that the party-line isn't followed will result in scoffs and branding-a-fool.

Tearing at the heart of the 'millions and billions?' of years of evolution is this: Nothing in our biological systems would have maintained if not beneficial to the organism. We tout the education of 'experts' - who aren't taught truth-seeking; they are taught based on the preconceptions of professors - taught based on ideology.

:-/