Queens residents arm themselves in the post-storm blackout from looters

[tailfins]

Queens residents arm themselves in the post-storm blackout from looters

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-residents-arm-looters-article-1.1196031#ixzz2BCBe53GC

[Little-Acorn]

Queens residents arm themselves in the post-storm blackout from looters

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-residents-arm-looters-article-1.1196031#ixzz2BCBe53GC


And mostly with baseball bats, bows and arrows etc.

Sorta like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Thanks to the liberal fanatics' laws, only criminals have guns while law-abiding citizens don't. GREAT plan.

[jimnyc]

It's more than just Queens too. Tempers are starting to rise all over and the gas shortage is only making things worse. There is looting in a lot of the inhabitable areas and people are going around at night siphoning gas out of others cars! I have 68 miles left to empty in my truck and every station around here is dry. And even if one does get a delivery, within 30 minutes the lines are about 2-4hrs long. Hopefully this will die down before my truck reaches empty! One of the worst areas is Staten Island. Not necessarily the worst hit, but apparently not a ton of crews out there helping them, so the Island is ready to rebel and angers are very high out there. Also Breezy Point, where all the homes burned down. The firemen can't do anymore out there as they ran out of gas and no other emergency crews will help them, not the feds either. They are borrowing bathrooms of damaged homes while they do their best to help. They had to go on TV last night and beg people to give them resources in order to help the people that have nowhere to turn in that neighborhood. And while those 2 areas may be suffering more than others, there are tens of other cities not far behind them and a few million homes still without power. And last I saw, the death toll rose to about 109 and they were still finding bodies.

[tailfins]

It's more than just Queens too. Tempers are starting to rise all over and the gas shortage is only making things worse. There is looting in a lot of the inhabitable areas and people are going around at night siphoning gas out of others cars! I have 68 miles left to empty in my truck and every station around here is dry. And even if one does get a delivery, within 30 minutes the lines are about 2-4hrs long. Hopefully this will die down before my truck reaches empty! One of the worst areas is Staten Island. Not necessarily the worst hit, but apparently not a ton of crews out there helping them, so the Island is ready to rebel and angers are very high out there. Also Breezy Point, where all the homes burned down. The firemen can't do anymore out there as they ran out of gas and no other emergency crews will help them, not the feds either. They are borrowing bathrooms of damaged homes while they do their best to help. They had to go on TV last night and beg people to give them resources in order to help the people that have nowhere to turn in that neighborhood. And while those 2 areas may be suffering more than others, there are tens of other cities not far behind them and a few million homes still without power. And last I saw, the death toll rose to about 109 and they were still finding bodies.


There's plenty of fuel in Hartford if you can make it there.

[jimnyc]

There's plenty of fuel in Hartford if you can make it there.

Just did a map search and from my town to Hartford is about 92 miles. I might try taking a drive in the middle of the night to a lower area of Ct. and see if anything is open.

[tailfins]

Just did a map search and from my town to Hartford is about 92 miles. I might try taking a drive in the middle of the night to a lower area of Ct. and see if anything is open.

I was listening to WTIC and they were telling people once you get about 15 miles into Connecticut, there's plenty of gasoline. By the looks of it, you risk getting trampled if you get between Dannel Malloy and a camera or microphone. I was near Hartford all last week and didn't see a single station out of gas.

[Trigg]

where is the media coverage of the hardship?

It's a virtual news blackout. The msm is deperate to not put out any bad press.

[aboutime]

REMINDER to everyone reading this.

Three days before the most important election this nation makes every four years.

Americans. Millions of Americans are now Homeless, Without Food, Water, Fresh clothing, Hot water, Heat, electricity, telephones, and unsure of where they are going to live.

Meanwhile. The President of the United States....the man assigned to PROTECT those millions of Americans in their time of need. Is spending his VALUABLE time....courting Celebrities like "THE BOSS", and STEVIE WONDER, trying to convince OTHER Americans who have plenty of what those Millions in the NorthEast don't have...to vote for him. THE LOSER IN CHIEF of IGNORANCE, and STUPIDITY.

[jafar00]

Just remember this when some of you decide to call Arabs savages because of the conditions created out of revolution. All it takes is for you to have a little bit of rain for your society to begin unravelling. God forbid, if you actually have a revolution its going to be really nasty.

[Gaffer]

Won't it be great to see New York go red this election. Along with New Jersey and Connecticut And most of the other states that aren't getting assistance. This is going to hurt the media as much as it hurts the dark lord.

[taft2012]

The firemen can't do anymore out there as they ran out of gas and no other emergency crews will help them, not the feds either. They are borrowing bathrooms of damaged homes while they do their best to help.

Oh please.

Any kittens stuck in trees needing rescuing have been blown clear to Vermont by Sandy. Absent that critical duty, the FDNY retreats back to their firehouses and beer.

OEM/Red Cross/FEMA have virtually zero logistical skills, and even less common sense. The NYPD had to step into that void to get things moving.

[jimnyc]

Oh please.

Any kittens stuck in trees needing rescuing have been blown clear to Vermont by Sandy. Absent that critical duty, the FDNY retreats back to their firehouses and beer.

OEM/Red Cross/FEMA have virtually zero logistical skills, and even less common sense. The NYPD had to step into that void to get things moving.

Tell me you're kidding?

We're talking about a city that is sitting in ruins, no water, no bathrooms, 110 houses burnt down, roads cannot be passed, homeless people with nowhere to go and no food or stores to go to. While I won't go as far as to say the firehouses don't have beer for the guys when not working, I hardly think that diminishes the job they do when on call. Did you say the same about them when they requested backup and then died in the WTC's? New York's firemen are some of the finest in the nation and have some of the hardest jobs compared to other cities fire departments. To disparage them while they are trying to save lives and help people isn't cool, IMO.

[jimnyc]

Just remember this when some of you decide to call Arabs savages because of the conditions created out of revolution. All it takes is for you to have a little bit of rain for your society to begin unravelling. God forbid, if you actually have a revolution its going to be really nasty.

We call them savages as they cut heads off of those they disagree with. Beat their women when upset with them. Blow up innocent people. Blow up places of worship... Come speak to us again when you see this kind of stuff happening as a matter of daily activity like it does in so many Islamic nations.

You have a deep desire to see negativity in the US so that you can say we are no better than the animals we condemn, only it never happens. We have our share of criminals and murderers, and they eventually get what they deserve, after their day in court. But the US is SO, SO, SO different than the hellholes you talk about, not even in the same solar system, let alone the same ballpark.

[taft2012]

Tell me you're kidding?

We're talking about a city that is sitting in ruins, no water, no bathrooms, 110 houses burnt down, roads cannot be passed, homeless people with nowhere to go and no food or stores to go to. While I won't go as far as to say the firehouses don't have beer for the guys when not working, I hardly think that diminishes the job they do when on call. Did you say the same about them when they requested backup and then died in the WTC's? New York's firemen are some of the finest in the nation and have some of the hardest jobs compared to other cities fire departments. To disparage them while they are trying to save lives and help people isn't cool, IMO.

You don't have to tell me, I'm there. There are police officers all over the place.

The job of the NYPD isn't collecting relief supplies and distributing food to people. It's not running temporary warehouses with relief supplies, and providing logistical and personnel support to federal relief agencies, but we're doing it.

It's not the job of the FDNY either, and they're not doing it. They might as well be school teachers.

[jimnyc]

You don't have to tell me, I'm there. There are police officers all over the place.

The job of the NYPD isn't collecting relief supplies and distributing food to people. It's not running temporary warehouses with relief supplies, and providing logistical and personnel support to federal relief agencies, but we're doing it.

It's not the job of the FDNY either, and they're not doing it. They might as well be school teachers.

You live in Breezy Point? I don't recall you saying that previously. And you must have a different set of eyes than I do, as the firemen were the ONLY relief crews in the area. The police were SOLELY patrolling, while the ENTIRE relief operation was being done by the firemen. There was NO red cross, no fema, no guard, no anyone other than police patrols, firemen working and the citizens banding together to help one another.

And they ARE doing it, and in MANY places they are lending a hand with emergency support and helping out the citizens of destroyed towns.

Either way, to infer that the firemen solely get kittens out of trees and drink beer is 100% incorrect and ignorant. And to claim the same about the FDNY who gave so many lives in 9/11 is even more despicable.

[jimnyc]

This was a simple search and nothing extensive, which I can do upon request. But here's what the no good, beer drinking, kitten retrievers were up to:

http://www.firefighternation.com/article/news-2/daring-rescues-during-massive-queens-fire-and-flood
http://nation.time.com/2012/11/01/after-sandy-returning-to-ruins-in-breezy-point/print/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2226532/Fire-heros-widow-Roseellen-Dowdell-Ground-Zero-devastation-Breezy-Point.html
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/firefighter-walks-to-a-neighborhood-in-the-breezy-point-news-photo/155019156
http://firecritic.com/2012/10/30/videos-25-rescued-from-6-alarm-queens-fire-in-breezy-point-200-ffs-on-scene-area-where-rescue-me-was-filmed/
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/30/update-six-alarm-breezy-point-fire-in-queens-worsens-60-homes-reportedly-destroyed-1-firefighter-injured/
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8868001
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/breezy-point-fire_n_2043071.html
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/off-duty-firefighter-rescued-9-people-a-parrot-and-a-few-dogs-in-hurricane-sandy

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[jimnyc]

It appears the lazy firemen helped build the town to begin with as well...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/31/14817184-devastated-ny-community-built-by-firefighters-burned-beyond-their-reach?lite

[jimnyc]

Imagine that, even Australia knows that firemen are a part of the rescue and relief efforts in Breezy...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sandy-sparked-fire-burns-50-homes-in-breezy-point-new-york/story-e6frg6n6-1226507069261

[taft2012]

You live in Breezy Point? I don't recall you saying that previously. And you must have a different set of eyes than I do, as the firemen were the ONLY relief crews in the area. The police were SOLELY patrolling, while the ENTIRE relief operation was being done by the firemen. There was NO red cross, no fema, no guard, no anyone other than police patrols, firemen working and the citizens banding together to help one another.

And they ARE doing it, and in MANY places they are lending a hand with emergency support and helping out the citizens of destroyed towns.

Either way, to infer that the firemen solely get kittens out of trees and drink beer is 100% incorrect and ignorant. And to claim the same about the FDNY who gave so many lives in 9/11 is even more despicable.

Complete and utter bullshit.

Have you seen the relief supply depot at the Aqueduct Racetrack Casino? That's an entirely NYPD operated operation. FEMA people at the Floyd-Bennett field depot acknowledge relief trucks would have been delayed in moving if the NYPD didn't organize the operation.

The Red Cross didn't want to go into storm ravaged areas after the storm because for "next time" they didn't want people thinking if they stayed in evacuation zones that the Red Cross would bring them food anyway. The NYPD realized you can't just leave people out there helpless and acted. What did the FDNY do?

Your portrayal of the police as simply "patrolling" is the most far-removed vision of reality I've seen during this entire storm.

The FDNY's attitude is; "IF there's a fire, call us. If not, don't bother us." They will do their job, but that's about it. So yeah, they might as well be teachers. Maybe you could ask yourself why I haven't posted in so long and what I've been doing.

[jimnyc]

Another good read about what the beer drinking, kitten lovers did to save lives when Sandy hit Breezy Point.

http://nation.time.com/2012/11/01/after-sandy-returning-to-ruins-in-breezy-point/

[jimnyc]

Complete and utter bullshit.

Have you seen the relief supply depot at the Aqueduct Racetrack Casino? That's an entirely NYPD operated operation. FEMA people at the Floyd-Bennett field depot acknowledge relief trucks would have been delayed in moving if the NYPD didn't organize the operation.

The Red Cross didn't want to go into storm ravaged areas after the storm because for "next time" they didn't want people thinking if they stayed in evacuation zones that the Red Cross would bring them food anyway. The NYPD realized you can't just leave people out there helpless and acted. What did the FDNY do?

Your portrayal of the police as simply "patrolling" is the most far-removed vision of reality I've seen during this entire storm.

The FDNY's attitude is; "IF there's a fire, call us. If not, don't bother us." They will do their job, but that's about it. So yeah, they might as well be teachers. Maybe you could ask yourself why I haven't posted in so long and what I've been doing.

Sure, and all the articles from media all over the place, I'm sure they are all lying. The videos of them rescuing people from Breezy Point, all doctored.

Again, did you say the same crap about the FDNY when so many gave their lives battling 9/11 WTC towers? Or are you just an uninformed and disrespectful idiot during hurricanes? I'm sure hoping you didn't know anyone on Breezy Point or in the Twin Towers when firemen were leading the charge and saving so many lives.

[taft2012]

Another good read about what the beer drinking, kitten lovers did to save lives when Sandy hit Breezy Point.

http://nation.time.com/2012/11/01/after-sandy-returning-to-ruins-in-breezy-point/

That's all you got? A liberal link from a cop hating rag? No boots on the ground? No skin in the game?

The firemen showed up to put out a fire. Whoop-de-doo. That's what they're paid for. Where's the Fire Department's relief depot? What are they contributing to the OEM/FEMA effort? Are they out knocking on doors, looking for old folks trapped inside, cold and hungry, and giving them hot meals? It's not their job, but it's not the NYPD's job either. And that's what the NYPD is doing.

And that's what the NYPD contributes everyday. Why isn't there a Fire Athletic League for kids in NYC like the Police Athletic League? Because it's not their job. Not the NYPD's either, but they do it.

There's something else you might not know; Breezy Point has a volunteer fire department comprised of local residents. All props to them. And Breezy Point is *HEAVILY* occupied by firefighters.... basically their second home.

[jimnyc]

Another story talking about no one yet at that point showing up to Breezy, and pretty much only police and firemen there, and firemen of course involved in the entire thing, from rescue to relief. I just don't understand why all of this media is lying? And yes, that is a fireman in the picture, not saving a cat and not drinking beer, but perhaps one of the brave firemen that saved countless lives, saved homes, saved pets & are helping with the relief efforts.

http://i.imgur.com/obisr.jpg


BREEZY POINT, N.Y. -- Some residents in Breezy Point, a tiny seaside community in New York inundated by flooding and ravaged by a fire triggered by Hurricane Sandy, questioned Wednesday when help would arrive from the American Red Cross, the National Guard, and the Sanitation Department and other city agencies that would provide key services.

While they cleaned their homes of the debris, some worried about rotting food and mold, while others said it would be nice to have a blanket or a hot cup of tea or coffee as the New York weather dipped into the low 50s with chilly gusts off the ocean making it feel even colder. Others asked about getting dumpsters or a temporary cell tower, since a weak signal made it very tough to make calls after the disaster.

“Don’t leave us. Don’t leave us,” said John Manning, a 45-year-old EMT with the New York Fire Department. His friend, firefighter Joe Adinolfi, said he had for the first time less than an hour before spotted the Red Cross in Breezy Point, where the fire claimed more than 100 homes.

“I understand there's casualties and tragedy everywhere, and I’m sure they are spread out thin,” Manning said.

He noted that firefighters and police were assisting the community, and that there were casualties and destruction elsewhere, but he said he had seen workers from city agencies come down to Breezy Point and take photos -- and then leave without helping.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/01/14863522-dont-leave-us-breezy-point-residents-wonder-when-help-will-come-after-sandy?lite

[jimnyc]

That's all you got? A liberal link from a cop hating rag? No boots on the ground? No skin in the game?

The firemen showed up to put out a fire. Whoop-de-doo. That's what they're paid for. Where's the Fire Department's relief depot? What are they contributing to the OEM/FEMA effort? Are they out knocking on doors, looking for old folks trapped inside, cold and hungry, and giving them hot meals? It's not their job, but it's not the NYPD's job either. And that's what the NYPD is doing.

And that's what the NYPD contributes everyday. Why isn't there a Fire Athletic League for kids in NYC like the Police Athletic League? Because it's not their job. Not the NYPD's either, but they do it.

There's something else you might not know; Breezy Point has a volunteer fire department comprised of local residents. All props to them. And Breezy Point is *HEAVILY* occupied by firefighters.... basically their second home.

Firemen where there from the minute the fires started and entire divisions are STILL there assisting. They were on several news stations throughout the week, where the stations put them on the air in hopes of help, where they were begging for assistance from other areas or the feds to bring gasoline, portable toilets and other relief so that they can better help. At the time it was ONLY police and firemen there, and the police were working security as the firemen were the only ones at the time assisting in recovery and relief efforts. And I got news for you - they DON'T get paid, the fire department first on scene, and still there assisting, is a VOLUNTEER department. Please learn what you speak of. The FDNY wasn't even initially able to get in there due to flooding.

[jimnyc]

I'm not even gonna get angry and reply to your tripe anymore. You can disrespect the various firemen all you like, refer to them as drinkers and cat chasers all you like. Anyone wanting to know the truth can read the various articles I linked to or search further on relief efforts in Breezy Point. Not only that, they can do a search and see how much the FDNY has been involved from ALL departments throughout NY, and barely any of their bravery and hard work was fire related, and NONE of it related to cats or drinking. But you have a ball disparaging them.

[Kathianne]

I'm not even gonna get angry and reply to your tripe anymore. You can disrespect the various firemen all you like, refer to them as drinkers and cat chasers all you like. Anyone wanting to know the truth can read the various articles I linked to or search further on relief efforts in Breezy Point. Not only that, they can do a search and see how much the FDNY has been involved from ALL departments throughout NY, and barely any of their bravery and hard work was fire related, and NONE of it related to cats or drinking. But you have a ball disparaging them.

I agree. It seems Taft wants firemen on their own or through their managers to leave their posts to go do the police or National Guards jobs. He laughs at the firemen putting out fires or performing paramedical jobs. Of course if they are out of the station, doing police jobs, they will not be able to make timely response to the calls that are fire department related.

[taft2012]

Another story talking about no one yet at that point showing up to Breezy, and pretty much only police and firemen there, and firemen of course involved in the entire thing, from rescue to relief. I just don't understand why all of this media is lying? And yes, that is a fireman in the picture, not saving a cat and not drinking beer, but perhaps one of the brave firemen that saved countless lives, saved homes, saved pets & are helping with the relief efforts.

http://i.imgur.com/obisr.jpg



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/01/14863522-dont-leave-us-breezy-point-residents-wonder-when-help-will-come-after-sandy?lite


From your very own liberal cop hating rag link:


The same, sadly, can’t be said of the neighborhood itself, home to scores of firefighters

It's their home. Where are the firemen in Coney Island? Brighton Beach? Manhattan Beach? They don't live there, so they're not there. The police are, though. The police are everywhere.

And you never answered my question; Where is the Fire Department's relief donation depot? The NYPD has the Aqueduct Racino parking lot set up to collect donations, scores of vehicles and drivers in place darting supplies out all over the city. Not a fireman in sight. It's not their job.

Give it up Jimmy. This is my city.

[jimnyc]

Give it up Jimmy. This is my city.

Interesting, you've claimed previously to be in NYC.

[gabosaurus]

where is the media coverage of the hardship?

It's a virtual news blackout. The msm is deperate to not put out any bad press.

The storm and its aftermath have been the top stories every day since it happened. I think you are desperate to stir up crap.
And how many of you were bitching about all the "whining and moaning" done by people on the Gulf Coast after Katrina? There was a lot of it on DP, as I recall.

[jimnyc]

The storm and its aftermath have been the top stories every day since it happened. I think you are desperate to stir up crap.
And how many of you were bitching about all the "whining and moaning" done by people on the Gulf Coast after Katrina? There was a lot of it on DP, as I recall.

Link to the posts where people were whining and moaning about the relief efforts and rescue efforts after Katrina hit. Or will you ignore this post as well when you like like an idiot?

[jimnyc]

Anyone remember the hundreds of FDNY killed in the WTC's? Or how about the hundreds and hundreds piling through the rubble for weeks after? Does anyone else think these people are cat chasers and beer drinkers? Anyone else agree that these men had the attitude of "if there's a fire, call us, if not.."?

Personally, I admire the FDNY and the efforts they gave, and lives they gave, through 9/11 and their continued efforts and bravery through this hurricane. I think EVERY time they go on a call they are perhaps putting their lives on the line. I find them admirable even if they are rescuing someone's beloved cat from a tree too. And I think with the bravery and work they do, they are entitled to a beer on their downtime.

[aboutime]

The storm and its aftermath have been the top stories every day since it happened. I think you are desperate to stir up crap.
And how many of you were bitching about all the "whining and moaning" done by people on the Gulf Coast after Katrina? There was a lot of it on DP, as I recall.


Okay gabby. Time to PUT UP, or SHUT UP. Show us the stories, the reports, the links from EVERY DAY since it happened.

Then prove who is STIRRING UP what? If you had an honest, knowledgeable brain you'd be dangerous to everyone here.

[gabosaurus]

Link to the posts where people were whining and moaning about the relief efforts and rescue efforts after Katrina hit. Or will you ignore this post as well when you like like an idiot?

Katrina hit in August 0f 2005. The DP archives stretch back only to 2007.

If Sandy has any positive merits, perhaps the aftermath will finally convince New Yorkers what an idiot Bloomberg is.

[aboutime]

Katrina hit in August 0f 2005. The DP archives stretch back only to 2007.

If Sandy has any positive merits, perhaps the aftermath will finally convince New Yorkers what an idiot Bloomberg is.


Wrong gabby. Nobody was talking about reports, links, or stories from HERE on DP. Nice try in evading the way to provide any proof to back up your claims.
If DP didn't exist during KATRINA...how would you create links to something that did not exist.

In other words gabby. You have no proof. But sound so much like Obama. Always armed with someone else to blame for your own stupidity.

[jimnyc]

The storm and its aftermath have been the top stories every day since it happened. I think you are desperate to stir up crap.
And how many of you were bitching about all the "whining and moaning" done by people on the Gulf Coast after Katrina? There was a lot of it on DP, as I recall.


Katrina hit in August 0f 2005. The DP archives stretch back only to 2007.

If Sandy has any positive merits, perhaps the aftermath will finally convince New Yorkers what an idiot Bloomberg is.

Please reconcile these 2 statements then, please? Seems like one of them is incorrect, and I believe you just admitted you lied. DP didn't even start until 2007.

[gabosaurus]

There was a message board before 2007. It might have been under a different name, but it was primarily the same people. Jim was the Evil Overlord, even back then. For those new to this, we have been fussing and feuding and generally getting under each other's skins for quite a long time now.

Regardless of our political and personal differences, I feel quite a bit of empathy for Sandy survivors. Obviously because so many of you are east coast residents.
Because of such, my husband and I have made quite significant contributions to Sandy relief causes. You can laugh and belittle it all you want, but it is all I can do while living on the opposite coast.

[jimnyc]

There was a message board before 2007. It might have been under a different name, but it was primarily the same people. Jim was the Evil Overlord, even back then. For those new to this, we have been fussing and feuding and generally getting under each other's skins for quite a long time now.

Regardless of our political and personal differences, I feel quite a bit of empathy for Sandy survivors. Obviously because so many of you are east coast residents.
Because of such, my husband and I have made quite significant contributions to Sandy relief causes. You can laugh and belittle it all you want, but it is all I can do while living on the opposite coast.

Go to USMB and search - I GUARANTEE YOU that you can't produce posts of people talking smack about Katrina during the relief efforts and rescue efforts. Maybe down the line, based on other factors, but not about that. I will pony up $50 if you can do so, you merely donate $10 to the board if you can't. How does that sound?

[gabosaurus]

Go to USMB and search - I GUARANTEE YOU that you can't produce posts of people talking smack about Katrina during the relief efforts and rescue efforts. Maybe down the line, based on other factors, but not about that. I will pony up $50 if you can do so, you merely donate $10 to the board if you can't. How does that sound?

Dang, now you are going to make me go look through the crappy remnants of what used to be a decent board. Which of the 85 forums do you think it will be under? :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

Dang, now you are going to make me go look through the crappy remnants of what used to be a decent board. Which of the 85 forums do you think it will be under? :rolleyes:

No need, do a board wide search of "Katrina" and what other keywords you would like. I'm sure you have individuals in mind, since we don't have exactly a ton of people posting here. So is the bet on? You sounded very confident in your accusation, and I'm very confident you won't find this during the times of suffering from Katrina - but "I" am willing to put my money where my mouth is, and will honor my bet if I lose.

[gabosaurus]

You will note, however, that my original comment specifically referred to people talking smack after Katrina.
But whatever.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25603-katrina-excellent-commentary.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25592-dont-militarize-disaster-relief.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25684-on-katrina-racism.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25178-sen-barack-obama-misses-the-point-it-wasnt-about-race-and-or-class.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25105-enough-is-enough-katrina-my-ass.html


I don't think it's stupid to live on the Gulf Coast, as long as you take the steps to protect yourself financialy for when the "day" came. What I do think is stupid is, expecting the Country to bail-out those that didn't take such steps, no matter the reason and expect total restoration. And W, for saying we will foot the BILL! BS..
---Mr. P

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25166-anybody-else-tired-of-katrina-yet.html


Not that I don't have any sympathy for the victims, but I'd much rather just donate and then forget about it.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25155-before-katrina-hit.html

Please donate my $50 to the board, thank you. :salute:

[gabosaurus]

Reading this stuff makes me really miss Stephanie. Her abrasive wit has no equal. :(


The article states that recent polls indicat that Americans are willing to pay to rebuild New Orleans. "According to a CBS-New York Times poll released Wednesday, 73 percent expect their taxes will increase as a result of Katrina, and more than half said they were willing to pay more taxes to help with Katrina recovery, job training and housing for victims."

Are you part of the 73% or the 27%?

I don't want to sound cold but I'm not so sure about how much I am willing to pay.

Oh, here is a perfect comment that can be applied to New York as well as New Orleans. By the esteemed Mr. Dilloduck:


Good observation and another ridiculous poll question. Don't worry about feeling cold-be proud of being honest. I have been volunteering my time at the Austin Convention Center and the average time by far that the average volunteer spends there is 1 shift. The well intentioned do-gooders are quickly overwhelmed when they discover that thay actually have to work there in an environment that is not safe, the chances of getting ill are quite high, the clients are often demanding and rude, and hundreds are so mentally ill that convesation with them is nearly impossible.

[jimnyc]

The storm and its aftermath have been the top stories every day since it happened. I think you are desperate to stir up crap.
And how many of you were bitching about all the "whining and moaning" done by people on the Gulf Coast after Katrina? There was a lot of it on DP, as I recall.


You will note, however, that my original comment specifically referred to people talking smack after Katrina.
But whatever.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25603-katrina-excellent-commentary.html

I don't see anyone bitching about "whiners" in this thread.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25592-dont-militarize-disaster-relief.html

Don't see anyone bitching about "whiners" in this thread.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25684-on-katrina-racism.html

I don't see anyone bitching about "whiners" in this thread.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25178-sen-barack-obama-misses-the-point-it-wasnt-about-race-and-or-class.html

I don't see anyone bitching about "whiners" in this thread.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25105-enough-is-enough-katrina-my-ass.html

---Mr. P

I don't think so either. P merely said that people should have taken pro-active steps and not expect total restoration. I hardly see him bitching about anyone "whining"


http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25166-anybody-else-tired-of-katrina-yet.html

The person you attribute that quote 2 is an unknown and was never a part of the "community" and certainly never came to DP. You simply picked out anything and everything Katrina here.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/25155-before-katrina-hit.html

No bitching about anyone whining here either.


Please donate my $50 to the board, thank you. :salute:

Did you even read anything you linked to? First off, NONE of it was bitching about any of the victims or responders complaining or anything towards people that were hit hard and suffered. Secondly, 95% of the people in those threads were never regulars and never followed here. Hell, I don't even know if they were democrats or republicans, but certainly not "regulars" from over the years that came here. Try a little harder next time than just typing in Katrina and thinking you had a "gotcha" when none of it at all applies. I won't even bother mentioning you donating as you'll probably pull your usual and bail from the thread now anyway, like you do with so many others. Regardless, I wanted to prove a point with your posts, and I did just that, with your help no less.

[Abbey Marie]

Just remember this when some of you decide to call Arabs savages because of the conditions created out of revolution. All it takes is for you to have a little bit of rain for your society to begin unravelling. God forbid, if you actually have a revolution its going to be really nasty.

I have to agree on that point.

[aboutime]

I have to agree on that point.


Abbey. We should all ask jafar. Who here called any ARAB a savage? Then. When that member is identified. jafar owes the rest of us an apology for twisting words, making accusations that are not valid, or honest.

I for one. Have never said such a thing. Though I am proud of identifying jafar as a supporter of those who wish to kill ME, and other Americans.

[Abbey Marie]

I would highly recommend reading Avatar's comment in the first link about Obama, back in 2005. Avi, you were prescient.

[gabosaurus]

Jim, I proved my point. You did not prove your point. If you think otherwise, you are flat out lying. No to mention your usual stubborn pride that prevents you from admitting you are wrong. Which apparently you never are.
There is bitching and whining all over those threads, and others. Doesn't matter who made them.

[jimnyc]

Jim, I proved my point. You did not prove your point. If you think otherwise, you are flat out lying. No to mention your usual stubborn pride that prevents you from admitting you are wrong. Which apparently you never are.
There is bitching and whining all over those threads, and others. Doesn't matter who made them.

You said you saw it here on DP, that was wrong. Then you said it was primarily the same people, that was wrong. Then you give links and claim they contain people bitching about people affected in Katrina whining and moaning. The links are here for all of us to see, it simply doesn't add up. The only thing you posted about Mr. P was not him bitching about those people. Feel free to literally post directly to the posts of the same people that post here that made these comments you speak of, instead of general links to threads. Prove me wrong, you have the links already, now you need only show where members from here were bitching about the affected Katrina people whining or moaning about their plight. It's no lie. And it DOES matter who made them as YOU stated it was the same people from here. Don't move the goal posts, just point to specific posts and post them here for all to see. You simply won't be able to do so.

[taft2012]

Anyone remember the hundreds of FDNY killed in the WTC's? Or how about the hundreds and hundreds piling through the rubble for weeks after? .

Yeah, I remember. I remember the police officers there too. But since you brought up 9/11, let's review:

Approximately 240 firefighters perished that day and 60 police officers. What do you see in that number? The 240 firefighters perished fighting a fire. That's the hazard of their job. Why were 60 police officers killed trying to rescue people from the burning buildings? I think even cop haters like you would admit that rescuing people from burning buildings is not the work of police officers.

Yet the police were there, actively participating, doing the best they could (even outside their job description) to help in a crisis.

Now here's another question you can conveniently ignore; how many firefighters do you ever hear of getting killed doing police officers' work?

Let the chorus of crickets commence.

When it was decided that the search through the rubble would cease at the WTC site, the firefighters had a riot in lower Manhattan. They were searching through the rubble for their lost brothers, which I could understand. But it wasn't out of concern for anyone who wasn't a firefighter. They were just worried about themselves.

Long after it became obvious that there were no more survivors in the rubble, it was decided to have the wreckage brought to the Staten Island landfill where police detectives would sift through the rubble mechanically to search for signs of remains. The firefighter riot was just a a manifestation of their semi-psychotic egos; they simply could not stand the notion of the police recovering one of their lost brothers.

If you think for a second that firefighters really care about you, then you probably believed Bill Clinton really "felt your pain" and that Obama is really trying to create jobs.

[Abbey Marie]

I once dated a really hot guy from Breezy Point. Memories... :eek:

[taft2012]

This relief site was conceived by the NYPD inspector directing it and is staffed largely by on-duty police, which has attracted other volunteers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/nyregion/volunteers-and-donations-flock-to-areas-affected-by-hurricane-sandy.html?_r=0

http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2012/44/hurricanerelief_web_2012_11_01_q.html

This site became a necessity when the Red Cross refused to enter the stricken areas on the premise that they don't want people staying in evacuation zones in the future thinking the Red Cross will come out to them anyway. IOW, the Red Cross was going to let them starve and freeze.

The NYPD has opened a similar site in Staten Island, where I imagine that after the election we'll hear about the almost criminal neglect of the hurricane victims by the feds.

The entire NYPD has been working 12 hour shifts since the storm, with no days off.

The Fire Department? Nowhere to be seen.

[taft2012]

I once dated a really hot guy from Breezy Point. Memories... :eek:

Was he a cop or a firefighter? :laugh:

[Dilloduck]

This relief site was conceived by the NYPD inspector directing it and is staffed largely by on-duty police, which has attracted other volunteers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/nyregion/volunteers-and-donations-flock-to-areas-affected-by-hurricane-sandy.html?_r=0

http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2012/44/hurricanerelief_web_2012_11_01_q.html

This site became a necessity when the Red Cross refused to enter the stricken areas on the premise that they don't want people staying in evacuation zones in the future thinking the Red Cross will come out to them anyway. IOW, the Red Cross was going to let them starve and freeze.

The NYPD has opened a similar site in Staten Island, where I imagine that after the election we'll hear about the almost criminal neglect of the hurricane victims by the feds.

The entire NYPD has been working 12 hour shifts since the storm, with no days off.

The Fire Department? Nowhere to be seen.

Red Cross only goes to places where it receives an invitation. Many times local judges or OEMs are actually pleased that certain areas of town have been "cleaned out" by a storm.

[Abbey Marie]

Was he a cop or a firefighter? :laugh:


I don't think so, though I can't remember what he did for a living. Didn't seem important at the time. :laugh:

[taft2012]

Red Cross only goes to places where it receives an invitation. Many times local judges or OEMs are actually pleased that certain areas of town have been "cleaned out" by a storm.

No, that's not what happened here. NYC was basically saying "Go in! Help them!" and the Red Cross was shaking it's head "No" over and over. It didn't make any damned sense to anyone but them.

This is NYC, not a small locality. And Breezy Point and Staten Island are solid Republican/working class strongholds.

[Dilloduck]

And Breezy Point and Staten Island are solid Republican/working class strongholds.

You may have answered it right there

[jimnyc]

Yeah, I remember. I remember the police officers there too. But since you brought up 9/11, let's review:

Approximately 240 firefighters perished that day and 60 police officers. What do you see in that number? The 240 firefighters perished fighting a fire. That's the hazard of their job. Why were 60 police officers killed trying to rescue people from the burning buildings? I think even cop haters like you would admit that rescuing people from burning buildings is not the work of police officers.

A cop hater? You're a delusional idiot. I have NO problem with the police at all, and one of my best friends is an officer here in Mamaroneck. And who died where and how many is besides the point. Those firemen died doing their jobs - which was saving lives of the people in the Trade Centers - and you like to say they are only cat chasers and beer drinkers. Personally, I think both did their job MORE than admirably and way beyond the call of duty and what they signed up for. I diminish neither job and have the utmost respect for both. Both were some of the bravest men I've witnessed in the NY area.

I'm not the one diminishing the work of either job. I've seen both departments throughout the hurricane outside in the thick of things helping everyone and anyone. To diminish either side that is out there getting their hands dirty is a slap to their faces.

[Robert A Whit]

It's more than just Queens too. Tempers are starting to rise all over and the gas shortage is only making things worse. There is looting in a lot of the inhabitable areas and people are going around at night siphoning gas out of others cars! I have 68 miles left to empty in my truck and every station around here is dry. And even if one does get a delivery, within 30 minutes the lines are about 2-4hrs long. Hopefully this will die down before my truck reaches empty! One of the worst areas is Staten Island. Not necessarily the worst hit, but apparently not a ton of crews out there helping them, so the Island is ready to rebel and angers are very high out there. Also Breezy Point, where all the homes burned down. The firemen can't do anymore out there as they ran out of gas and no other emergency crews will help them, not the feds either. They are borrowing bathrooms of damaged homes while they do their best to help. They had to go on TV last night and beg people to give them resources in order to help the people that have nowhere to turn in that neighborhood. And while those 2 areas may be suffering more than others, there are tens of other cities not far behind them and a few million homes still without power. And last I saw, the death toll rose to about 109 and they were still finding bodies.

Remember the stink by the MSM over Katrina?

Well, I am on the left coast and I swear that my TV news is not even talking in the way you speak. We know of the long gas lines. We know homes burned and others are destroyed due to the surge. But the MSM went bonkers over Katrina and tried to present Bush in a bad light yet in this storm all I near on my news is that Obama is doing a great job.

Imagine that.

[jimnyc]

Remember the stink by the MSM over Katrina?

Well, I am on the left coast and I swear that my TV news is not even talking in the way you speak. We know of the long gas lines. We know homes burned and others are destroyed due to the surge. But the MSM went bonkers over Katrina and tried to present Bush in a bad light yet in this storm all I near on my news is that Obama is doing a great job.

Imagine that.

I think that's what Trigg mentioned before Gabby intervened and "corrected" her. It's still horrible in many, many areas in NY, especially Staten Island and parts of Long Island and Queens. Up here in Westchester there are still a few hundred thousand without power. And yeah, those gas lines. I hope they start getting in more gas soon and fix this. You either wait in line forever to get overpriced gas, or if you drive anywhere near a station you get caught up in chaos.

[tailfins]

I think that's what Trigg mentioned before Gabby intervened and "corrected" her. It's still horrible in many, many areas in NY, especially Staten Island and parts of Long Island and Queens. Up here in Westchester there are still a few hundred thousand without power. And yeah, those gas lines. I hope they start getting in more gas soon and fix this. You either wait in line forever to get overpriced gas, or if you drive anywhere near a station you get caught up in chaos.

Well, Jimbo, I'm posting this link to help keep you out of jail. They can't get gas to you, but they can find a way to arrest you if you don't get gas THEIR way. The headline is misleading (I expect nothing less from NBC).

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Two-Arrested-for-Gasoline-Hoarding-177184891.html?dr


Police arrested a 47-year-old New York man accused of filling up 30 five-gallon Home Depot buckets with gasoline on Saturday night.


That owner of the Valero gas station, located at 347 Boston Post Road, was arrested as well.


The gas was returned to underground storage tanks, police said.

[jimnyc]

Well, Jimbo, I'm posting this link to help keep you out of jail. They can't get gas to you, but they can find a way to arrest you if you don't get gas THEIR way. The headline is misleading (I expect nothing less from NBC).

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Two-Arrested-for-Gasoline-Hoarding-177184891.html?dr

The only thing I can think of, but this was in NJ while growing up, is that gas MUST have been placed into a RED gas container. Technically, you can be issued a summons in NJ as well, for pumping your own gas, while in NY you MUST pump your own gas (at almost every station). Weird. I guess if people are going between states, they should be careful to observe the laws, or ask the establishment.

I heard one station in NY is selling their gas for over $8 a gallon! Now THAT'S someone who should receive some serious fines.

[Kathianne]

I would highly recommend reading Avatar's comment in the first link about Obama, back in 2005. Avi, you were prescient.

I noticed that too! I also noticed that Gabby mostly relied on discussions of nearly 2 months after the hurricane hit.

[fj1200]

I heard one station in NY is selling their gas for over $8 a gallon! Now THAT'S someone who should receive some serious fines.

I disagree, price signals encourage economizing scarce resources.

[Kathianne]

I disagree, price signals encourage economizing scarce resources.

and provides incentives for allocating resources to where the money is. As supply increases, prices will decrease. The first to provide will benefit the most.

[jimnyc]

I disagree, price signals encourage economizing scarce resources.

It's called "price gouging" and is highly against the law, at least here in NY. The AG announced 60 gas stations receiving major fines today for this gouging, as well as some hotels for unreasonably raising rates.

[jimnyc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging

[fj1200]

It's called "price gouging" and is highly against the law, at least here in NY. The AG announced 60 gas stations receiving major fines today for this gouging, as well as some hotels for unreasonably raising rates.

I know that, politicians across the country have decided that they have to legislate private exchanges of goods and services. If the price reflects current supply and demand situations then consumers will be more likely to buy what they need rather than stock up at an artificially low price.

[taft2012]

Those firemen died doing their jobs

Precisely. The firemen who died that day were doing their job. The police officers who perished that day did so going "above and beyond." Thank you for affirming my point.

The police are again going above and beyond in NYC, covering for the Red Cross, who needed a few days of convincing and watching the police doing more relief work than they were before they came around to sanity.

And thank you for affirming my other point that you would ignore the question asking for examples of firemen perishing by going above and beyond.


A cop hater? You're a delusional idiot.

And yet it took you how many pages to grudgingly acknowledge the police *MAY* be as heroic as firefighters? It took how much irrefutable proof?


I have NO problem with the police at all, and one of my best friends is an officer here in Mamaroneck.

Congratulations. I bet you even have black and Jewish friends.


I've seen both departments throughout the hurricane outside in the thick of things helping everyone and anyone.

Yeah, you're seeing it from Mamaroneck as filtered through your beloved cop-hating liberal media. I'm seeing it on the ground, in person. Even that New York Times article yesterday didn't do justice to what the police *started* at Aqueduct when no one else was there, when it was just an empty parking lot.

[Abbey Marie]

Precisely. The firemen who died that day were doing their job. The police officers who perished that day did so going "above and beyond." Thank you for affirming my point.

The police are again going above and beyond in NYC, covering for the Red Cross, who needed a few days of convincing and watching the police doing more relief work than they were before they came around to sanity.

And thank you for affirming my other point that you would ignore the question asking for examples of firemen perishing by going above and beyond.



And yet it took you how many pages to grudgingly acknowledge the police *MAY* be as heroic as firefighters? It took how much irrefutable proof?



Congratulations. I bet you even have black and Jewish friends.



Yeah, you're seeing it from Mamaroneck as filtered through your beloved cop-hating liberal media. I'm seeing it on the ground, in person. Even that New York Times article yesterday didn't do justice to what the police *started* at Aqueduct when no one else was there, when it was just an empty parking lot.


You have stunning misconceptions about what Jim believes.

[jimnyc]

Precisely. The firemen who died that day were doing their job. The police officers who perished that day did so going "above and beyond." Thank you for affirming my point.

The police are again going above and beyond in NYC, covering for the Red Cross, who needed a few days of convincing and watching the police doing more relief work than they were before they came around to sanity.

And thank you for affirming my other point that you would ignore the question asking for examples of firemen perishing by going above and beyond.



And yet it took you how many pages to grudgingly acknowledge the police *MAY* be as heroic as firefighters? It took how much irrefutable proof?



Congratulations. I bet you even have black and Jewish friends.



Yeah, you're seeing it from Mamaroneck as filtered through your beloved cop-hating liberal media. I'm seeing it on the ground, in person. Even that New York Times article yesterday didn't do justice to what the police *started* at Aqueduct when no one else was there, when it was just an empty parking lot.

As usual, clueless. I've been a HUGE fan of the NYPD for a long, long time, so where you even got the idea I had an issue with police is beyond me. I've never had a single problem with them and see almost all of them as heroes and very brave. I never disparaged them in a single way. You are the one who disparaged the men who died on 9/11 and those who worked for weeks and then those who continue to serve and do their jobs admirably.

[jimnyc]

You have stunning misconceptions about what Jim believes.

He thinks he's a know it all because he's in NYC, and yet I could get to the areas in discussion quicker than him if I wanted to, used to live in those areas and still have friends out there. I've posted a ton of links showing the work of the firemen, but I guess that's all made up, and anyone can do a simple search to find zillions more for confirmation. And for some idiotic reason, he seems to think me applauding the fire department means I have a problem with the police department, which I don't. And then to publicly make fun of the very men who lost so many in 9/11 and continued at ground zero for so long is disgusting. These men rebuilt, started again and continue to do their jobs, but to him it's a joke and they should be "teachers" or they're only drunks. IMO, our men and women in the military, police, fire departments and any other job where they potentially place their lives on the line when doing their jobs - all heroes, and unless an individual does something illegal or egregious, I would never disparage them in such a manner.

[Abbey Marie]

He thinks he's a know it all because he's in NYC, and yet I could get to the areas in discussion quicker than him if I wanted to, used to live in those areas and still have friends out there. I've posted a ton of links showing the work of the firemen, but I guess that's all made up, and anyone can do a simple search to find zillions more for confirmation. And for some idiotic reason, he seems to think me applauding the fire department means I have a problem with the police department, which I don't. And then to publicly make fun of the very men who lost so many in 9/11 and continued at ground zero for so long is disgusting. These men rebuilt, started again and continue to do their jobs, but to him it's a joke and they should be "teachers" or they're only drunks. IMO, our men and women in the military, police, fire departments and any other job where they potentially place their lives on the line when doing their jobs - all heroes, and unless an individual does something illegal or egregious, I would never disparage them in such a manner.

These attacks don't even make sense.

Btw, my brother was a firefighter in the South Bronx for many years, then in Philadelphia. I know almost firsthand what they do.

[jimnyc]

Congratulations. I bet you even have black and Jewish friends.

Usually ignorant comments such as this imply that the person is lying or exaggerating about the person they claim to know. Here is 2 cards issued to me by my cop friend in Mamaroneck and his business card. Excuse me for scratching my name out as I don't trust some bastards on here.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2hxotqg.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/209ioig.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/6r6ip2.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/5uelpi.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2cmkcon.jpg

[jimnyc]

I might also add, the above backs up what I've stated in the past about my Muslim friends, and one of them being from Iran who has translated things for me in the past. Of course, he's not a "true Muslim" according to Jafar! :laugh2:

[taft2012]

Let's watch this video and see how many firemen we can spot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD5Dgy3w1dE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD5Dgy3w1dE

What? None?

Doggonit. Who'd a thunk it?

[jimnyc]

What? None?

Doggonit. Who'd a thunk it?

Because the men that survived 9/11, the collapses, the recovery efforts, that rebuilt, and saved lives from the water during the hurricane and battled the flames - they were all too busy chasing kittens and drinking beer, according the scumbags who like to disparage the men and women in uniform that perform their jobs admirably to help keep so many safe.

[gabosaurus]

Jim has always stood for the rights of first responders. I remember Jim make some very impassioned statements following 9-11.
Anyone who has known Jim for a while knows how much he respects first responders.