US Army on duty...

[jimnyc]

This is what they are doing as the hurricane is moving in, still standing guard. God Bless these men! (Was taken from a friend on FB, this was taken a few hours ago)

http://i.imgur.com/0l403.jpg

[CSM]

simply amazing. Few will understand the dedication these Marines have in performing their duties.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is what they are doing as the hurricane is moving in, still standing guard. God Bless these men! (Was taken from a friend on FB, this was taken a few hours ago)

http://i.imgur.com/0l403.jpg

Just checked in for a couple minutes quick reading, had no plans to log in and post but this and that picture changed my mind!
Thats the spirit of our beloved nation you are looking at and those men represent it as the light of the world in which freedom is known to be so cherished that men die so that others may have it!
THAT'S AMERICA! GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY AND THOSE MARINES..
FOR THATS LOVE OF COUNTRY...-Tyr

[red states rule]

NOTHING makes these men leave the memorial. My God they truely are several cuts above

They show their dedication and loyality to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice

And we bitch about having to walk in the rain or shovel snow

[aboutime]

This is what they are doing as the hurricane is moving in, still standing guard. God Bless these men! (Was taken from a friend on FB, this was taken a few hours ago)

http://i.imgur.com/0l403.jpg



jimnyc: Thanks so much for the reminder. But I must sadly report to you. As the father of a Marine. Those men guarding and serving at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington are NOT...Marines.

They are U.S. Army.

No disrespect intended jimnyc. But accuracy on this is better served here.

Thank you for reminding us.

[red states rule]

jimnyc: Thanks so much for the reminder. But I must sadly report to you. As the father of a Marine. Those men guarding and serving at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington are NOT...Marines.

They are U.S. Army.

No disrespect intended jimnyc. But accuracy on this is better served here.

Thank you for reminding us.

Marines, Army, Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard - they are all great

They serve in the worst shit holes in the world and NOTHING seems to faze them

They know what they have to do and they do it no matter what

Thank God for everyone of those men and women. They protect the freedoms I have and sometimes take for granted

[aboutime]

Marines, Army, Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard - they are all great

They serve in the waorst shit holes in the world and nOTHING seems to faze them

They know what they have to do and they do it no matter what

Thank God for everyone of those men and women. They protect the freedoms I have and sometimes take for granted


I totally agree with you, and jimnyc. My intent was not to hurt, or denigrate here. As a veteran myself, having a Marine for a son. He would want everyone to know that Marines do not take credit for guarding the Tombs of the Unknown.

They do have the IWO JIMA statue nearby in Arlington where ALL BRANCHES OF OUR MILITARY ARE REPRESENTED.

[red states rule]

I totally agree with you, and jimnyc. My intent was not to hurt, or denigrate here. As a veteran myself, having a Marine for a son. He would want everyone to know that Marines do not take credit for guarding the Tombs of the Unknown.

They do have the IWO JIMA statue nearby in Arlington where ALL BRANCHES OF OUR MILITARY ARE REPRESENTED.

I do not think I ever did this but thank you for your service AT :salute:

[Noir]

So how long do they stand there for?

Without movement, soaked clothes, and high winds, hypothermia is a very real possibility.

[red states rule]

So how long do they stand there for?

Without movement, soaked clothes, and high winds, hypothermia is a very real possibility.

They stay until they are relieved

This is what they are trained to do Noir. They simply shrug the weather off

[jimnyc]

jimnyc: Thanks so much for the reminder. But I must sadly report to you. As the father of a Marine. Those men guarding and serving at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington are NOT...Marines.

They are U.S. Army.

No disrespect intended jimnyc. But accuracy on this is better served here.

Thank you for reminding us.

I agree wholeheartedly, and I guess it shows that I was never in the military! Thanks much for pointing out my error, and I will change the thread title. These men have more than my respect, and I hope I didn't offend anyone with my error and ignorance!

[jimnyc]

Thread title fixed....

I have an immense amount of respect for ALL of our military, and a special fondness for the men above who NEVER leave their post. I should have known better and did a few seconds of research before posting incorrectly.

:salute:

[Kathianne]

This is what they are doing as the hurricane is moving in, still standing guard. God Bless these men! (Was taken from a friend on FB, this was taken a few hours ago)

http://i.imgur.com/0l403.jpg

I'm with you on the sentiments, but those are Marines! On sunny days when I've seen them in person, I got chills. This exemplifies their dedication and honor. These are our best!

[Kathianne]

jimnyc: Thanks so much for the reminder. But I must sadly report to you. As the father of a Marine. Those men guarding and serving at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington are NOT...Marines.

They are U.S. Army.

No disrespect intended jimnyc. But accuracy on this is better served here.

Thank you for reminding us.

Thank you for that! With the stripe on pant leg, it's easy to mistake. You are so correct:

http://www.homeofheroes.com/gravesites/unknowns/0_unknowns_sentinels.html


The 3rd United States Infantry has served our Nation continuously since 1784, and today is the oldest active-duty infantry unit in the U.S. Army. Headquartered out of Fort Myer, Virginia, it is traditionally known as "The Old Guard", a proud nickname ascribed by General Winfield Scott during a victory parade at Mexico City in 1847.


Since World War II The Old Guard has been the Army's official HONOR GUARD. Among their duties, beyond providing security to our Nation's Capitol in time of national emergency or civil disturbance, are some of the most impressive displays of military ceremony.



Soldiers from The Old Guard escort the President, conduct military ceremonies at the White House, Pentagon, and national memorials in our Capitol City, including funeral details and other special ceremonies at Arlington National Cemeteries. One of their most recognized responsibilities is providing sentinels...Tomb Guards, at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

Since April 6, 1948 the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier has been guarded 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, regardless of weather. Millions of Americans annually visit the Memorial Amphitheater to watch these dedicated soldiers of a new generation, dutifully pace 21 steps across a black mat on the west face of the Tomb. It is a time honored ritual, executed with great precision and filled with American pride...

[Gaffer]

They are army. Part of the 1st Bn. of the 1st Infantry Regiment. They do all the ceremonial things in Washington. Honor guard, parades, band recitals. The oldest regiment in army. I was in the 2nd of the 1st which is the combat arm. The regimental motto is semper primus.

I learned all this many years later. I had no idea at the time I was part of an historical regiment.

[Kathianne]

They are army. Part of the 1st Bn. of the 1st Infantry Regiment. They do all the ceremonial things in Washington. Honor guard, parades, band recitals. The oldest regiment in army. I was in the 2nd of the 1st which is the combat arm. The regimental motto is semper primus.

I learned all this many years later. I had no idea at the time I was part of an historical regiment.

LOL! You sound like my dad did the first time my mom dragged us all to Cantigny Museum (http://www.cantigny.org/museums/firstdivision.aspx) when I was around 5 years old. My dad didn't know he had been part of a famous division of the army,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/US_1st_Infantry_Division_SSI.svg/150px-US_1st_Infantry_Division_SSI.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:US_1st_Infantry_Division_SSI. svg&page=1)
1st Infantry Division shoulder sleeve insignia

[Noir]

They stay until they are relieved

This is what they are trained to do Noir. They simply shrug the weather off

You don't shrug off hypothermia, it shrugs you off. I can only assume the shifts are short, given the weather.

[Kathianne]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknowns


...Walking the Mat
There is a meticulous routine which the guard follows when watching over the graves:[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknowns#cite_note-27)


The soldier walks 21 steps across the Tomb. This alludes to the twenty-one gun salute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21-gun_salute),[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknowns#cite_note-28) which is the highest honor given to any military or foreign dignitary in America. His weapon is always on the shoulder opposite the Tomb (i.e., on the side of the gallery watching the ritual).
On the 21st step, the soldier turns and faces the Tomb for 21 seconds.
The soldier then turns to face the other way across the Tomb and changes his weapon to the outside shoulder.
After 21 seconds, the first step is repeated.

This is repeated until the soldier is relieved of duty at the Changing of the Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_Mounting).


The mat is usually replaced twice per year: before Memorial Day and before Veterans Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Day). This is required because of the wear on the rubber mat by the special shoes worn by Tomb Guards. The sentinels have metal plates built into the soles and inner parts of their shoes to allow for a more rugged sole and to give the signature click of the heel during maneuvers. The sentinels wear sunglasses because of the bright reflection from the marble surrounding the Tomb and the Memorial Amphitheater.


On the ground not covered by the mat, a wear pattern in the tile can be seen that corresponds to the precise steps taken during the changing of the guard. On the mat itself, footprints worn in by standing guard are also visible.
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Changing of the Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_Mounting) at the Tomb of the Unknowns. Assistant Relief Commander at left, Guard passing orders in center, and Guard receiving orders at right. The tomb is behind the Assistant Relief Commander.


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A Tomb Guard in full uniform in August 2006




During the day in summer months from April 1 to September 30, the guard is changed every half hour. During the winter months, from October 1 to March 31, the guard is changed every hour. After the cemetery closes to the public (7 p.m. to 8 a.m. April through September, and 5 p.m. to 8 a.m. October through March), the guard is changed every 2 hours. The ceremony can be witnessed by the public whenever Arlington National Cemetery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_National_Cemetery) is open.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknowns#cite_note-29)[27]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknowns#cite_note-30)

The guard change is very symbolic, but also conducted in accordance with Army regulations. The relief commander or assistant relief commander, along with the oncoming guard, are both required for a guard change to take place. The guard being relieved will say to the oncoming guard, "Post and orders remain as directed." The oncoming guard's response is always, "Orders acknowledged."
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[Robert A Whit]

simply amazing. Few will understand the dedication these Marines have in performing their duties.

I hear something new daily. I thought they were US Army???

[Kathianne]

http://youtu.be/vqZ-mkdp1H0

Oh, and they do take their responsibilities seriously:


http://youtu.be/1mzTsCN7mNs

[aboutime]

They stay until they are relieved

This is what they are trained to do Noir. They simply shrug the weather off

Anyone who is interested in, or has any questions about the GUARDS of the UNKNOWN'S (as they are called). Only need to do some personal investigation to learn whatever you need to know.

There are probably dozens of websites that contain information about them.

Just visit Google, or whatever other Search Engine you like. Type the words Unknown Soldier Tomb, or Guards, and GUESS WHAT???

Here is a good link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Unknown_Soldier

[Robert A Whit]

Turns out the guards are Army and not marines.

Though the photo went viral, it was taken last September on the 18th.

I am wondering since I have been to Arlington cemetary where the tomb is, does anybody actually expect that with no guards, somebody could take off with the tomb?

Also, can't they wear protective garb on such days?

[aboutime]

Turns out the guards are Army and not marines.

Though the photo went viral, it was taken last September on the 18th.

I am wondering since I have been to Arlington cemetary where the tomb is, does anybody actually expect that with no guards, somebody could take off with the tomb?

Also, can't they wear protective garb on such days?


Robert. As I kindly tried to tell jimnyc earlier. Yes. They are a specially designated branch of the U.S.Army who perform those duties guarding the Tombs of the Unknowns.

The tombs are located just in front of the large, open-air ampi-theater, where the President, and other officials Speak on Memorial, and Veterans days to large audiences.

There is a collection of video's that accompany the information. It explains many of the detailed questions, like those you asked above.

Sometimes it just pays to Read, Listen, and Learn things on your own. It helps to educate, and provides all the truthful facts you need.

[007]

simply amazing. Few will understand the dedication these Marines have in performing their duties.
Third infantry are not Marines!!
They are army.
the piping down their trousers is yellow, marines are red!

[007]

You don't shrug off hypothermia, it shrugs you off. I can only assume the shifts are short, given the weather.
You can shrug off hypothermia, it takes planning, preperation and balls!!
its as easy as falling off a log!!

[jafar00]

From experience, the Army makes you do a lot of stupid stuff. Like standing in the rain for no reason, or marching up and down the square.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLJ8ILIE780


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Qhbdijv5Y

[Robert A Whit]

ARLINGTON, Va. – In the face of Hurricane Sandy, the Army continued to guard the Tomb of the Unknowns on Monday but not with the familiar, choreographed 21 paces that the public typically sees.
A photo that went viral on social media of three soldiers from the Army's Third U.S. Infantry Regiment, known as The Old Guard, keeping watch over the tomb was actually taken during a September rainstorm. The Army became aware of the photo and said on its Twitter account and to media that it was from September.
The Army handed out a photo that was taken Monday morning before Arlington National Cemetery closed because of the storm. Afterward, when morning funerals were completed, the Old Guard soldiers were still on duty but had moved into an enclosure covered by a green awning known as "the box," about 20 feet away from the tomb, according to regiment spokesman Maj. John Miller.
He said if the weather becomes intolerable, the tomb can also be guarded from a room inside a nearby amphitheater. But no such order was given on Monday afternoon.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2012/10/29/old-guard-remains-at-tomb-unknowns-at-arlington-cemetery-despite-superstorm/#ixzz2AjlNcKgn

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

From experience, the Army makes you do a lot of stupid stuff. Like standing in the rain for no reason, or marching up and down the square.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLJ8ILIE780


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Qhbdijv5Y

Really, Jafar, movie skits,, really. And you pretend they measure up to reality!
You watch too many movies dude..-Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

I spent a lot of time in the 3rd division and I assure all of you that it is the 3rd regiment and not the 3rd ID that guards the tomb. Come to learn, in bad weather, the guards have an enclosed awning to guard under and if it gets too bad, they use a nearby building.

[Noir]

http://youtu.be/vqZ-mkdp1H0



Okay, wow, that was hilarious :laugh:
Like that walk is straight out of Monty Python (woops, already beaten to the python comparison, though i was thinking more 'Ministry of Silly Walks')
The things we apes do for tradition.

[Kathianne]

I spent a lot of time in the 3rd division and I assure all of you that it is the 3rd regiment and not the 3rd ID that guards the tomb. Come to learn, in bad weather, the guards have an enclosed awning to guard under and if it gets too bad, they use a nearby building.

and you've a link? Because your claim contradicts others.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/soldiers-guard-the-tomb-of-unknowns-during-hurricane-sandy/

An inspirational picture making the rounds on the Internet today is reminding people of the service of the elite soldiers who guard Arlington Cemetery’s Tomb of the Unknowns in any kind of weather, even during Hurricane Sandy. That the picture was actually taken in September is another matter, because even as Hurricane Sandy makes its way along the Eastern seaboard, soldiers are there, guarding the tomb in the fierce wind and rain.
Tomb Sentinels from the Army’s 3rd Infantry Regiment’s “The Old Guard” have guarded the Tomb for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year regardless of the weather (http://abcnews.go.com/US/hurricanes/vigilant-tomb-unknowns-irene/story?id=14397525#.UI6sB2_A9Dk), since 1948.

This link cites it as the Army's 3rd Infantry Regiment...-Tyr

[Gaffer]

I spent a lot of time in the 3rd division and I assure all of you that it is the 3rd regiment and not the 3rd ID that guards the tomb. Come to learn, in bad weather, the guards have an enclosed awning to guard under and if it gets too bad, they use a nearby building.

I heard them say on FOX news that the guards were from the 3rd regiment. That's contrary to what I was told and read in the past. I could be wrong and things may have changed over the years. But I understood them to be from the 1st regiment. But then, I don't attempt to keep up with all the re designations or moving of units from one division to another. My old brigade is now a training brigade in Hawaii and my old battalion is now part of the 10th Mountain Division.

No one said a thing about the 3rd ID as far as I know, you must have misread something.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://tombguard.org/tomb-guards/

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[jafar00]

Really, Jafar, movie skits,, really. And you pretend they measure up to reality!
You watch too many movies dude..-Tyr

I've done my fair share of marching up and down the square. Also sitting in a gun pit up to my knees in mud.

[Robert A Whit]

and you've a link? Because your claim contradicts others.

Better than a link, I posted an article that explains all of this. Check other messages on this thread.

[Robert A Whit]

I heard them say on FOX news that the guards were from the 3rd regiment. That's contrary to what I was told and read in the past. I could be wrong and things may have changed over the years. But I understood them to be from the 1st regiment. But then, I don't attempt to keep up with all the re designations or moving of units from one division to another. My old brigade is now a training brigade in Hawaii and my old battalion is now part of the 10th Mountain Division.

No one said a thing about the 3rd ID as far as I know, you must have misread something.


About TOG

The 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) is the face of the Army. Old Guard Soldiers represent all Soldiers in ceremonies in the National Capitol Region and throughout the nation.
The 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) is the official Escort to the President of the United States and our nation's Premier Memorial Affairs and Ceremonial Unit. Old Guard Soldiers are in Arlington National Cemetery daily rendering final honors to our fallen, both past and present.
The 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) is the oldest active Infantry Regiment in the U.S. Army and has a distinguished history of service throughout our nation's conflicts; from its creation in 1794 through Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Old Guard Soldiers are tactically proficient in their soldiering skills. Besides our ceremonial duties we stand ready to defend the National Capitol Region in the event of an emergency.

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[SassyLady]

Noir,

We know how you feel about traditions and symbolism. That walk is a culmination of dedication, commitment, persistence and attention to detail. People who just drift through life without purpose wouldn't understand any of it.

Everyone else .... my ex and I were able to get a tour of the inside of their barracks and watch them prepare for duty.

Interesting fact:


For a person to apply for guard duty at the tomb, he must be between 5' 10" and 6' 2" tall and his waist size cannot exceed 30".


Other requirements of the Guard:


They must commit 2 years of life to guard the tomb, live in a barracks under the tomb, and cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. They cannot swear in public FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES and cannot disgrace the uniform {fighting} or the tomb in any way.


After TWO YEARS, the guard is given a wreath pin that is worn on their lapel signifying they served as guard of the tomb. There are only 400 presently worn. The guard must obey these rules for the rest of their lives or give up the wreath pin.

more........

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/1126293/posts

[Noir]

Noir,

We know how you feel about traditions and symbolism. That walk is a culmination of dedication, commitment, persistence and attention to detail. People who just drift through life without purpose wouldn't understand any of it.

Everyone else .... my ex and I were able to get a tour of the inside of their barracks and watch them prepare for duty.

Interesting fact:



It is a silly walk, and of course the whole point of it is to be silly, to extend from that that such as I 'drift though life without purpose' is wonderful.

Also it has to be mentioned that the 'no swearing' rule is even sillier than the walk, for one simple reason - Swearing is the communication of offence. Personally i very very rarely 'swear'. Why? Because i prefer to call people guttersnipes and swine rather than bastards and shits etc.

Now, in knowing that to me a guttersnipe is a bastard, does that make my utterance of guttersnipe swearing? One would be tempted to say yes, after all it is the communication of offence. But then what would the implications be to our solider, as then he would not be able to substitute words, and so never communicate offence to anyone! Nonsense. Pure tosh (<- see what i did there?) that someone made up because they thought it would sound impressive, without taking into account what language is.

[Gaffer]

About TOG



The 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) is the face of the Army. Old Guard Soldiers represent all Soldiers in ceremonies in the National Capitol Region and throughout the nation.
The 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) is the official Escort to the President of the United States and our nation's Premier Memorial Affairs and Ceremonial Unit. Old Guard Soldiers are in Arlington National Cemetery daily rendering final honors to our fallen, both past and present.
The 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) is the oldest active Infantry Regiment in the U.S. Army and has a distinguished history of service throughout our nation's conflicts; from its creation in 1794 through Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Old Guard Soldiers are tactically proficient in their soldiering skills. Besides our ceremonial duties we stand ready to defend the National Capitol Region in the event of an emergency.

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Interesting, I stand corrected. I was apparently misinformed. Wouldn't be the first time.

[Gaffer]

It is a silly walk, and of course the whole point of it is to be silly, to extend from that that such as I 'drift though life without purpose' is wonderful.

Also it has to be mentioned that the 'no swearing' rule is even sillier than the walk, for one simple reason - Swearing is the communication of offence. Personally i very very rarely 'swear'. Why? Because i prefer to call people guttersnipes and swine rather than bastards and shits etc.

Now, in knowing that to me a guttersnipe is a bastard, does that make my utterance of guttersnipe swearing? One would be tempted to say yes, after all it is the communication of offence. But then what would the implications be to our solider, as then he would not be able to substitute words, and so never communicate offence to anyone! Nonsense. Pure tosh (<- see what i did there?) that someone made up because they thought it would sound impressive, without taking into account what language is.

You are a guttersnipe. This attitude is exactly why you will never amount to anything. You have no concept of dedication and honor. A true liberal. What little respect I had for you before has been erased by those comments.

[Noir]

You are a guttersnipe. This attitude is exactly why you will never amount to anything. You have no concept of dedication and honor. A true liberal. What little respect I had for you before has been erased by those comments.

So far i'll be drifting through life without a purpose, and never amount to anything? Fairplay.

But as for the "those comments" do you mean calling the walk silly, or the problem with swearing substitutes?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It is a silly walk, and of course the whole point of it is to be silly, to extend from that that such as I 'drift though life without purpose' is wonderful.

Also it has to be mentioned that the 'no swearing' rule is even sillier than the walk, for one simple reason - Swearing is the communication of offence. Personally i very very rarely 'swear'. Why? Because i prefer to call people guttersnipes and swine rather than bastards and shits etc.

Now, in knowing that to me a guttersnipe is a bastard, does that make my utterance of guttersnipe swearing? One would be tempted to say yes, after all it is the communication of offence. But then what would the implications be to our solider, as then he would not be able to substitute words, and so never communicate offence to anyone! Nonsense. Pure tosh (<- see what i did there?) that someone made up because they thought it would sound impressive, without taking into account what language is.

Noir, you will never become a man until you come to understand the meaning of duty and honor. They are not just words to those that understand and embrace them both.. I have a family thus I have -duties as a husband, duties as a father, duties as a citizen, duties as the head of my family, duties to my mother,sisters ,brothers etc. I honor those duties without complaint. Those men serve and place their lives into the hands of the military. They do that and serve as a duty and as a love for freedom and justice. Love of country, love for freedom and as an expression of the honor they feel serving a higher calling. I respect and admire that greatly as should any decent person.
There is far more to life than book learning and cynicism. Men that serve to protect freedom and have often sacrificed their lives so that OTHERS MAY BE FREE should never be insulted as you just did!
You are young and in my estimation have a damn lot to learn. -Tyr

[Gaffer]

So far i'll be drifting through life without a purpose, and never amount to anything? Fairplay.

But as for the "those comments" do you mean calling the walk silly, or the problem with swearing substitutes?

All of the comments.

[aboutime]

You are a guttersnipe. This attitude is exactly why you will never amount to anything. You have no concept of dedication and honor. A true liberal. What little respect I had for you before has been erased by those comments.



Noir just can't help it. People who are miserable, frustrated, and confused like him always need to try to pull others down to their level. Disrespect is just natural for people who hate their life, and dedicate themselves to the destruction of everyone else's life.

Noir is just another OBAMA wannabe. Practicing stupidity, hate, ignorance, and misery so well. Anyone, or anything that exposes them for the stupidity they express so easily. Must always be degraded in order to match those who do the degrading.

[007]

Noir just can't help it. People who are miserable, frustrated, and confused like him always need to try to pull others down to their level. Disrespect is just natural for people who hate their life, and dedicate themselves to the destruction of everyone else's life.

Noir is just another OBAMA wannabe. Practicing stupidity, hate, ignorance, and misery so well. Anyone, or anything that exposes them for the stupidity they express so easily. Must always be degraded in order to match those who do the degrading.

So you too are an Obama wannabe?
your description of Noir was Aldo a pretty accurate description of you and your posting habits.

[SassyLady]

Noir .... do you have any sense of duty, honor, respect, commitment, dedication? If so, can you please point them out to me? What do you have a sense of duty to protect? Who or what do you honor and/or respect? What are you committed/dedicated to?

What have you accomplished with your life so far ... other than having a "silly" hair style?

As for the swearing ...... it shows that these soldiers are able to make a commitment and stick to their commitment ... even for something as simple as no swearing. I'm sure this is something you would never be able to accomplish because you are unable to see the symbolism that in honoring the simple things will lead to the ability to honor the important things.

[aboutime]

So you too are an Obama wannabe?
your description of Noir was Aldo a pretty accurate description of you and your posting habits.

Normally, under real time conditions. I would never bother answering children like you.

Now. Come to think of it. I am still going to observe that. How does it feel to have your own TWIN, Noir, pretending to be you?

[Noir]

Noir .... do you have any sense of duty, honor, respect, commitment, dedication? If so, can you please point them out to me? What do you have a sense of duty to protect? Who or what do you honor and/or respect? What are you committed/dedicated to?

Nope, absolutely none =p


What have you accomplished with your life so far ... other than having a "silly" hair style?

The love of my friends and family, what more in life is their to accomplish?


As for the swearing ...... it shows that these soldiers are able to make a commitment and stick to their commitment ... even for something as simple as no swearing. I'm sure this is something you would never be able to accomplish because you are unable to see the symbolism that in honoring the simple things will lead to the ability to honor the important things.

My point regarding the swearing, is 'what is swearing' ...if you define it as (say) 20 words that someone can't say, and they replace those words with 20 other words, is the meaning not the same? And what is the point in a word, if not its meaning?

[Kathianne]

Nope, absolutely none =p



The love of my friends and family, what more in life is their to accomplish?



My point regarding the swearing, is 'what is swearing' ...if you define it as (say) 20 words that someone can't say, and they replace those words with 20 other words, is the meaning not the same? And what is the point in a word, if not its meaning?

I don't know if you're ignorant or just full of blather. If you truly care about your friends and family, you are not wishing for a socialistic hell. I truly do not care about your lack of religion, not an issue for me. Your lack of faith in the rule of law though? Yeah, it bothers me. Only in the sense that I give credence that your posts speak for a segment of the educated European citizenry.

[SassyLady]

Nope, absolutely none =p



The love of my friends and family, what more in life is their to accomplish?



My point regarding the swearing, is 'what is swearing' ...if you define it as (say) 20 words that someone can't say, and they replace those words with 20 other words, is the meaning not the same? And what is the point in a word, if not its meaning?

I think you'll find that these men do not substitute words because they simply have committed themselves to a life of honor .... which means they don't even think about swear words and substitutes.

You keep trying to define them within your own set of values and it's just not comparable. Perhaps some day you'll mature enough to understand, but at this point it isn't even worth trying to educate you about honor, duty, dedication and commitment.

[Noir]

I don't know if you're ignorant or just full of blather. If you truly care about your friends and family, you are not wishing for a socialistic hell. I truly do not care about your lack of religion, not an issue for me. Your lack of faith in the rule of law though? Yeah, it bothers me. Only in the sense that I give credence that your posts speak for a segment of the educated European citizenry.

I'm intrigued to know what/why you don't think i have faith in the rule of law?

[Noir]

I think you'll find that these men do not substitute words because they simply have committed themselves to a life of honor .... which means they don't even think about swear words and substitutes.

You keep trying to define them within your own set of values and it's just not comparable. Perhaps some day you'll mature enough to understand, but at this point it isn't even worth trying to educate you about honor, duty, dedication and commitment.

Are they humans, with like, emotions?

[SassyLady]

Are they humans, with like, emotions?

Mature and disciplined enough to control them and not childish enough to give into them. They understand their commitment.

[Noir]

Mature and disciplined enough to control them and not childish enough to give into them. They understand their commitment.

So none of these soldiers ever get angry, or passionate, or emotionally involved?
I mean, run me through this, one of these soldiers is dandering down the street, and he sees someone being mugged. He does what exactly? I mean, we've already established he can't fight, and he's not allowed to insult the robber (heaven forbid!). So he just walks on by? Or waits around, impassively, to see the victim get his head kicked in?

[aboutime]

So none of these soldiers ever get angry, or passionate, or emotionally involved?
I mean, run me through this, one of these soldiers is dandering down the street, and he sees someone being mugged. He does what exactly? I mean, we've already established he can't fight, and he's not allowed to insult the robber (heaven forbid!). So he just walks on by? Or waits around, impassively, to see the victim get his head kicked in?



Noir. Obviously. Honor, Service, and Country mean nothing to you. Much like dedication is foreign to you as well.

Because YOU established what you say to be true about them. Does not mean they are as weak minded as you.

[Noir]

Noir. Obviously. Honor, Service, and Country mean nothing to you. Much like dedication is foreign to you as well.

Because YOU established what you say to be true about them. Does not mean they are as weak minded as you.

If you want you're welcome to answer the hypothetical i put in my post, as a pose to trying to insult me (:

[aboutime]

If you want you're welcome to answer the hypothetical i put in my post, as a pose to trying to insult me (:


I don't deal in hypothetical situations, or suggestions. There are no FIRM answers, nor any way to prove they work.

You brought a dumb kind of suggestion here, posed as a hypothetical. Which is a typical, liberal method used to say things, you claim, you didn't mean to say. But it becomes an excuse you believe will get you off the hook for personal responsibility.

Comedians use hypothetical situations all the time. Then hide behind the "IT WAS A JOKE" excuse. But they are still idiots.

[Noir]

I don't deal in hypothetical situations, or suggestions. There are no FIRM answers, nor any way to prove they work.

You brought a dumb kind of suggestion here, posed as a hypothetical. Which is a typical, liberal method used to say things, you claim, you didn't mean to say. But it becomes an excuse you believe will get you off the hook for personal responsibility.

Comedians use hypothetical situations all the time. Then hide behind the "IT WAS A JOKE" excuse. But they are still idiots.

If you want firm answers to anything, ever, join Mathematica boards. All politics, philosophy, sociology, theology and economy discussions are based on hypotheticals, innuendo, and unknowable open answers.

[aboutime]

If you want firm answers to anything, ever, join Mathematica boards. All politics, philosophy, sociology, theology and economy discussions are based on hypotheticals, innuendo, and unknowable open answers.



Noir. Tell us the truth, not a hypothetical. Were you born this arrogant, and dumb. Or have you been trained to be arrogant and dumb.

Not a multiple choice question, and not hypothetical.

[SassyLady]

So none of these soldiers ever get angry, or passionate, or emotionally involved?

Of course they do.



I mean, run me through this, one of these soldiers is dandering down the street, and he sees someone being mugged. He does what exactly? I mean, we've already established he can't fight, and he's not allowed to insult the robber (heaven forbid!). So he just walks on by? Or waits around, impassively, to see the victim get his head kicked in?

If one of these soldier's is "dandering" down a street and sees someone being victimized they will take necessary and appropriate action. Who am I to say what type of action will be taken?

What would you do, Noir? Insult the robber by calling him a guttersnipe and hope he is so offended he stops what he's doing? Do you really think a person cannot act to save another person without swearing, fighting or being passive? And here I thought your generation had an imagination.

[Gaffer]

Noir, you won't eat meat. What would it take to get you to eat meat? How hungry would you have to be? How long can you stand by your convictions? How dedicated are you?

The members of the honor guard are volunteers. They chose to do this, the same as you chose not to eat meat or harm animals. There's always a parallel to draw from.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If you want firm answers to anything, ever, join Mathematica boards. All politics, philosophy, sociology, theology and economy discussions are based on hypotheticals, innuendo, and unknowable open answers.

Math eh?
Two plus two equals four
Noir needs to grow up a bit more
Two plus three equals five
Duty and Honor are still alive
Two plus four equals six
Noir's attitude needs a fix
Two plus five equals seven
Hell exists, so does heaven
Two plus six equals eight
Noir wise up before its too late..--;)--Tyr

[Noir]

Of course they do.

If one of these soldier's is "dandering" down a street and sees someone being victimized they will take necessary and appropriate action. Who am I to say what type of action will be taken?

What would you do, Noir? Insult the robber by calling him a guttersnipe and hope he is so offended he stops what he's doing? Do you really think a person cannot act to save another person without swearing, fighting or being passive? And here I thought your generation had an imagination.

Imagination? The person being beaten needs help to fend off their attacker, not someone improvising a standup routine or making a colour canvas on the sidewalk.

[Noir]

Noir, you won't eat meat. What would it take to get you to eat meat? How hungry would you have to be? How long can you stand by your convictions? How dedicated are you?

The members of the honor guard are volunteers. They chose to do this, the same as you chose not to eat meat or harm animals. There's always a parallel to draw from.

We've long since decided in this thread that i'm not dedicated to anything (an impressive feat for a vegan lol)

In any case, if i was put in a position were i was all but forced to eat meat, or die etc, then ofcourse i'd eat meat, and i wouldn't be considered a disgrace or unworthy etc, were these men/women, would.

[SassyLady]

We've long since decided in this thread that i'm not dedicated to anything (an impressive feat for a vegan lol)

In any case, if i was put in a position were i was all but forced to eat meat, or die etc, then ofcourse i'd eat meat, and i wouldn't be considered a disgrace or unworthy etc, were these men/women, would.

See, Noir, this is what you don't understand. No one around them would considered them disgraced ... they would feel it internally for themselves because they did not honor their commitment.

[SassyLady]

Imagination? The person being beaten needs help to fend off their attacker, not someone improvising a standup routine or making a colour canvas on the sidewalk.

Seriously, Noir, you can't imagine any other solution to help someone other than swearing at them, or hitting them, or passively turning away?

And to think you would immediately think of a comedic stand-up routine, or painting on a sidewalk says volumes about your solution oriented thinking.