Romney family buys voting machines through Bain Capital investment

[jafar00]

I guess the guy that wins the election will be the one who can by the most voting machines for himself.


Tagg Romney, the son of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (http://www.allvoices.com/people/Mitt_Romney), has purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington and Colorado.
"Late last month, Gerry Bello and Bob Fitrakis at FreePress.org broke the story of the Mitt Romney/Bain Capital investment team involved in H.I.G. Capital which, in July of 2011, completed a "strategic investment" (http://www.higprivateequity.com/NewsRelease.php?id=881) to take over a fair share of the Austin-based e-voting machine company Hart Intercivic (http://www.hartintercivic.com/)," according to independent journalist Brad Friedman. (http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=38)
But Friedman is not the only one to discover the connection between the Romney family, Bain Capital, and ownership of voting machines.
Truth out (http://truth-out.org/news/item/12204-does-the-romney-family-now-own-your-e-vote) reports:
"Through a closely held equity fund called Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called H.I.G. Capital. H.I.G. in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hart Intercivic, a company that owns the notoriously faulty electronic voting machines that will count the ballots in swing state Ohio November 7. Hart machines will also be used elsewhere in the United States (http://www.hartintercivic.com/).
In other words, a candidate for the presidency of the United States, and his brother, wife and son, have a straight-line financial interest in the voting machines that could decide this fall's election. These machines cannot be monitored by the public. But they will help decide who "owns" the White House."
Both The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/article/170470/tagg-team-romney-family-recipe-crony-capitalism) and New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/us/politics/ties-to-romney-08-helped-fuel-equity-firm.html?pagewanted=all) confirm the connection between the Romney family, Solamere and the Bain Capital investment in the voting machine company, Hart Intercivic, whose board of directors (http://www.hartintercivic.com/pages/447) serve H.I.G. Capital.
"Mitt Romney, his wife Ann Romney, and their son Tagg Romney are also invested in H.I.G. Capital, as is Mitt's brother G. Scott Romney.
The investment comes in part through the privately held family equity firm called Solamere, which bears the name of the posh Utah ski community where the Romney family retreats to slide down the slopes." Truth out added.
There are also political connections between Solamere and the Romney's. "Matt Blunt, the former Missouri governor who backed Mr. Romney in 2008, is a senior adviser to Solamere, as is Mitt Romney’s brother, Scott, a lawyer," according to the New York Times. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/us/politics/ties-to-romney-08-helped-fuel-equity-firm.html?pagewanted=all)
Voter ID and voter fraud have been top issues in the 2012 race, as have claims of Republican voter suppression (http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13082266-2012-elections-fraud-if-you-think-you-cant-win-cheat). Mr. Romney's campaign has also been the subject of controversy over misleading ads, false claims, sketchy math on his tax plan, and overall vagueness on women's rights and other hot button issues.
Raising further questions of legitimacy in the Romney campaign is an audio recording recently made public, where Mitt Romney is heard asking independent business owners to apply pressure to their employees (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-employees-voting_n_1975636.html) to influence their votes. What has also been made public are the emails those employers have sent (http://www.salon.com/2012/10/17/plutocrat_bosses_to_employees_vote_romney_or_else/) to their employees with an implied threat that if they don't vote for Romney they may lose their jobs.
What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.
With each passing day, the character and campaign methods of Mitt Romney cast an ever-darker shadow over free and fair American elections.
Yet there is an irony in the Romney campaign that cannot be ignored. For all the noise the right-wing has made in questioning the legitimacy of Obama's presidency, there have been so many questionable efforts made to help put Romney in the White House, if he wins, there should be great dispute over whether his election could ever be called genuinely illegitimate.
The nagging question is why, if Mr. Romney truly has the qualities that American voters want in their president, does he have to go to such great and questionable lengths to try to win the election.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13221476-romney-family-buys-voting-machines-through-bain-capital-investment

[red states rule]

So as you see the election slipping away, you are avoiding the post election rush - and offering your lame ass excuses for Obama's loss now

Don't forget to offer the race card as an excuse as well

[tailfins]

Your posts lead me to believe that Obama, while nominally non-Muslim does their bidding.

[red states rule]

Your posts lead me to believe that Obama, while nominally non-Muslim does their bidding.

People like Jafar would much rather have a bumbling fool like Obama in office who would rather play golf, campaign, and take vacations then actually defend US citizens and stand up to terrorists

[PostmodernProphet]

you see....there's a difference......conservatives manufacture voting machines......liberals manufacture excuses.....

[red states rule]

you see....there's a difference......conservatives manufacture voting machines......liberals manufacture excuses.....

How true. Look at the excuses offered for Obama losing the first debate




Here are the five biggest--and worst--excuses for Obama's defeat:

5. We won’t know for 2-3 days whether Mitt Romney actually won. The idea here seems to be that the polls will tell us who won, although even CNN’s instant polling (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/03/top12.pdf) of those who had watched the debate had it at 67%-25% in Romney’s favor. This excuse has a purpose: to buy time for so-called “fact-checkers” to attack Romney’s arguments and change the narrative from “Romney won” to “Romney lied.” Speaking of which...

4. Romney lied with a straight face for ninety minutes. This excuse betrays the fact that so many on the left never leave their own media bubble. They believe what they tell each other about Romney and his policies, rather than listening or learning the truth. A good example was Rachel Maddow’s battle (http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/49282305/%2349282305) with Rudy Giuliani afterwards, in which she insisted Romney lied about a $5 trillion tax cut that he has never, in fact, proposed. Sad.

3. The free-flowing format was bad and let Romney dominate. On the contrary, the format allowed Obama to deploy his favorite defense, the filibuster. It just so happened that Romney didn’t let him get away with it, insisting on the right to reply to repeated distortions of his position. It is Obama’s fault, not the format’s, that he didn’t know when to stop talking, letting himself lose focus while the words kept coming out.

2. The moderator, Jim Lehrer, let Romney win. This is the Obama campaign’s official excuse (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/obamas-cutter-takes-swipe-at-lehrer-137444.html), judging by the post-debate comments of Stephanie “Felon (http://www.mrctv.org/videos/stephanie-felon-cutter-caught-lie)” Cutter, who argued that Lehrer allowed Romney to dominate. Actually, Lehrer was his usual liberal self, and was tougher on Romney than on Obama, interjecting more often with follow-up questions and letting the president use a full four minutes more than his challenger.

1. Obama didn’t show up tonight. This was the lament of Chris Matthews, who suggested--colorfully (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AzmXeZgGS0)--that Obama had not tried hard enough to win the debate. The idea, once again--it is always the same when Obama suffers a setback--is that the president needs to fight harder, to be more aggressive. In fact, Obama was often too hostile. What needs to change are the ideas, not the tactics. And it’s too late for that.

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[aboutime]

I really do believe. jafar is actually Obama in disguise, or drag. Whenever people like Obama have to create, and dig up dirt. Or anything that seems to be dirt in order to appease themselves...laughing, and convinced they are playing GOTCHA. It only proves how Liars are conditioned, brainwashed, and trained to always have, or make excuses AHEAD OF TIME. To cover up any mistakes they might have made with all of the previous LIES they told, but failed to remember when telling the rest of their lies.

jafar is just like Obama, and all of his following sheep. Just a Joke.

[aboutime]

I guess the guy that wins the election will be the one who can by the most voting machines for himself.


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13221476-romney-family-buys-voting-machines-through-bain-capital-investment



jafar. Are you sure you are not OBAMA? You have lying down to a science, all your own.

[Thunderknuckles]

So as you see the election slipping away, you are avoiding the post election rush - and offering your lame ass excuses for Obama's loss now

Don't forget to offer the race card as an excuse as well
Yep, everyone gear up for another round of how Republicans stole the election.

On a more serious note, I don't know all of the facts here but I can't imagine why anyone in the Romney family would want to do this. Maybe it's a good investment with the election looming but they have to know that this is gonna stink to holy hell.

[aboutime]

Yep, everyone gear up for another round of how Republicans stole the election.

On a more serious note, I don't know all of the facts here but I can't imagine why anyone in the Romney family would want to do this. Maybe it's a good investment with the election looming but they have to know that this is gonna stink to holy hell.


LISTEN UP EVERYONE. It is less than two weeks from the election on November 6th. The Democrats have planned this kind of DIRTY attack on anything they can dig up....probably for years.

Nobody should be surprised at anything we hear, or read being leaked from the Obama-Wasserman Idiot Squads.

We all know. When Democrats plan to play dirty. They enjoy playing dirty until the other side Plays their Games, right back at them.

It's politics. Always has been this way. And always will be this way.

Go back and investigate how DIRTY politics was during the Lincoln days.

They didn't have the Internet, or the 24 hour Cable news. But it was Just as Dirty then.

[DragonStryk72]

"Through a closely held equity fund called Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called H.I.G. Capital. H.I.G. in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hart Intercivic, a company that owns the notoriously faulty electronic voting machines that will count the ballots in swing state Ohio November 7. Hart machines will also be used elsewhere in the United States (http://www.hartintercivic.com/).
In other words, a candidate for the presidency of the United States, and his brother, wife and son, have a straight-line financial interest in the voting machines that could decide this fall's election. These machines cannot be monitored by the public. But they will help decide who "owns" the White House."

THAT's a straight line?! You actually had to jump points in order to get there. Oh my God, yes, the fund they invested in bought voting machines, but that's the thing, is it a FUND. I'm willing to bet the CAPITAL company is involved with CAPITAL in a number of firms, becasue they provide fucking CAPITAL! They INVEST, meaning that they have controlling interests in a number of companies.

Here let's try an exercise: "Through a closely held equity fund called Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called McDonalds. McDonalds in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hunt Club, a company that sells notoriously underweight cows. Hunt Club cows will also be used elsewhere in the United States (http://www.hartintercivic.com/).

Now, seems a lot more common sense. OF course McDonald's would have a deal with a farm that sells beef, right? This does not in any way mean that the individual investors are *purchasing* (the claim of the article) inferiors cows simply by having money in the fund, and if you tried to insinuate that they did, you'd be laughed clean out of the room. This is no different, and it is a cheap shot by Dems that drives me even further away from voting for them.

And Dear Lord, they're actually trying to make a conspiracy out of his family having bought shares in the the fund as well? God forbid someone should actually recommend a good invest to friends and family. clearly he should be tarred and feathered, then stoned.

[jimnyc]

I guess the guy that wins the election will be the one who can by the most voting machines for himself. /QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DragonStryk72;587620]THAT's a straight line?! You actually had to jump points in order to get there. Oh my God, yes, the fund they invested in bought voting machines, but that's the thing, is it a FUND. I'm willing to bet the CAPITAL company is involved with CAPITAL in a number of firms, becasue they provide fucking CAPITAL! They INVEST, meaning that they have controlling interests in a number of companies.

Here let's try an exercise: "Through a closely held equity fund called Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called McDonalds. McDonalds in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hunt Club, a company that sells notoriously underweight cows. Hunt Club cows will also be used elsewhere in the United States (http://www.hartintercivic.com/).

Now, seems a lot more common sense. OF course McDonald's would have a deal with a farm that sells beef, right? This does not in any way mean that the individual investors are *purchasing* (the claim of the article) inferiors cows simply by having money in the fund, and if you tried to insinuate that they did, you'd be laughed clean out of the room. This is no different, and it is a cheap shot by Dems that drives me even further away from voting for them.


I guess the guy that doesn't leap to conclusions and actually knows what he is talking about appears to be slightly more intelligent.

[DragonStryk72]

"Mitt Romney, his wife Ann Romney, and their son Tagg Romney are also invested in H.I.G. Capital, as is Mitt's brother G. Scott Romney.
The investment comes in part through the privately held family equity firm called Solamere, which bears the name of the posh Utah ski community where the Romney family retreats to slide down the slopes." Truth out added.
You mean they... named their business after a place they go to to connect as family?! Yeah, that's an entirely non-issue. This isn't even worth of tabloid journalism. What they basically did was point and scream "LOOK! LOOK! They're doing something totally normal!"

There are also political connections between Solamere and the Romney's. "Matt Blunt, the former Missouri governor who backed Mr. Romney in 2008, is a senior adviser to Solamere, as is Mitt Romney’s brother, Scott, a lawyer," according to the New York Times. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/us/politics/ties-to-romney-08-helped-fuel-equity-firm.html?pagewanted=all)
You mean... sometimes friends go into business together or invest in one another's businesses?! Oh wait, yeah, that's pretty incredibly normal, isn't it?

And, Oh god, major shareholders.... can have a say in how the company acts?! What's the part of this that's abnormal?

Voter ID and voter fraud have been top issues in the 2012 race, as have claims of Republican voter suppression (http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13082266-2012-elections-fraud-if-you-think-you-cant-win-cheat). Mr. Romney's campaign has also been the subject of controversy over misleading ads, false claims, sketchy math on his tax plan, and overall vagueness on women's rights and other hot button issues.

1) His ads were not misleading at any point, I've seen them all DOZENS of times, he gives his five point plan to you. It's clear and coherent.

2) No false claims, since as it turns out, the claims that were supposedly false, are, in fact, entirely true, such as the "acts of terror" comment, and Obama's reducing the security of the ambassadors in Libya.

3) There is no sketchy math on Romney's side, because there is no five trillion dollar tax cut. That is a completely made up number by the Dems, who also purposely left out of their "research" the removal of deductions and exemptions. The sketchy math is on Obama's side, not Romney's.

4) He literally did absolutely everything as an employer that should have had women's rights group chanting his name in the street, but because he... GASP!... Wants to actually read a bill that has not been filed, before he agrees to vote it into law, how is that vague? I WANT a president who actually takes time to read a bill before agreeing to it or going against it. That's a plus point, not a take away.

5) What issues? He's been clear on every issue he's been asked about, and he's been asked a lot.

The media is just trying to create scandal where none exists.

[red states rule]

I guess the guy that wins the election will be the one who can by the most voting machines for himself.


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13221476-romney-family-buys-voting-machines-through-bain-capital-investment

Looks like you and others were SUCKERED into this fake story. This is what happens when libs run with a story they want to be true but fail to do a fact check first




Tagg Romney Is Not an 'Investor In a Voting Machine Company'

Several left-wing news outlets are reporting on a financial relationship between one of Mitt Romney's sons and a voting machine company--with some even implying that the relationship could lead to tampering with votes on Election Day to benefit the Republican. The only problem? There doesn't seem to be any evidence of any financial relationship between Romney's son, Tagg, and the company.

Solamere Capital, an investment fund founded and run by Tagg Romney, is a financial partner with HIG Capital, a private equity firm that manages a whole range of investments. HIG also invests in Hart Intercivic, a polling machine company that operates machines at polling places in Hamilton County, Ohio. But Solamere does not have any financial interest in Hart, a spokesman for Solamere tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

A recent article in the Nation (http://www.thenation.com/article/170470/tagg-team-romney-family-recipe-crony-capitalism#) about Solamere claims that the fund indirectly invests in Hart, and a report from MSNBC (http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/10/22/jennifer-brunner-tagg-romneys-stake-in-voting-machine-company-doesnt-look-good/) repeats this implication:
H.I.G. Capital, a large investment fund, is a 'significant investor' in Hart Intercivic, according to an announcement (http://www.hartintercivic.com/pr/108) put out last year by Hart. And H.I.G., in turn, is one of the largest partners, with nearly $10 billion of equity capital, of Solamere Capital, the investment fund founded and run by Tagg Romney (pictured), Mitt’s eldest son, The Nation recently reported (http://www.thenation.com/article/170470/tagg-team-romney-family-recipe-crony-capitalism)*.


The MSNBC article also quotes former top elections official from Ohio, Democrat Jennifer Brunner, saying that it “doesn’t look good for a presidential candidate’s son to be an investor in a voting machine company.”

But the Solamere spokesman says that is “totally wrong.”

“Not only does Solamere have no direct or indirect interest in this company [Hart Intercivic], Solamere and its partners have no ownership in this company, nor do they have any ownership in nor have made any investments in the fund that invested in the voting machine company,” the spokesman said.

So while Solamere does partner with HIG on investments, none of those investments involve Hart Intercivic. HIG may be simultaneously managing investments with both companies, but the investments are kept separate, as required by law. Put simply, Tagg Romney is not an “investor in a voting machine company.”

As even the liberal Think Progress points out (http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1059171&preview=true&mobile=nc), some left-wing blogs have floated the idea that Hart’s machines in Ohio might be tampered with to benefit Mitt Romney in the presidential election. But, Think Progress notes, there’s “absolutely no evidence” of any plans to tamper with those machines.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/tagg-romney-not-investor-voting-machine-company_657183.html

[taft2012]

How true. Look at the excuses offered for Obama losing the first debate

These are all very good, however...

... since it actually came out of the mouth of a former two-term United States Vice President I would have to go with "it was the mile high elevation in Denver" as the top "lame excuse".

[revelarts]

Vote Counting/Stealing is a real serious issue.
Who owns and who has access to the machines is an issue to everyone except the Republicans who do most of the owning. And those who like to imagine that Republicans would never fix an election. But Democrats cheat all the time because well they are #*%&^@ democrats. No need for much proof beyond a sketchy news story on that front.
that's logical and rational, because it just is you fool.

Still waiting for comments on the story of republicains Sueing to keep 3rd party candidates off the ballot. no ready excuses at hand for that one i guess. spread democracy and free elections around the world, and that by the point of a gun, but sue to keep candidates OFF the ballot in the U.S.. makes sense.

Any ol partisan company owning voting machines is no problem. I'm sure.

[taft2012]

Still waiting for comments on the story of republicains Sueing to keep 3rd party candidates off the ballot.

Oh please. Remember Jimmy Carter boycotting the presidential debates to keep third party candidate John Anderson out of the debates? Disqualifying problematic third party candidates is a practice as old as the republic.


Any ol partisan company owning voting machines is no problem. I'm sure.

Interesting premise. Any *proof* of partisanship? Or is it just mere speculation?

[revelarts]

Oh please. Remember Jimmy Carter boycotting the presidential debates to keep third party candidate John Anderson out of the debates? Disqualifying problematic third party candidates is a practice as old as the republic.

Just dismiss it out of hand that's good, Keeping people OFF the Ballot is another level than out of the Debate don't you think though? probably not.
Cheat is as old as the republic. that why we have to be honest and upfront about it.
but that's just me i guess.


Interesting premise. Any *proof* of partisanship? Or is it just mere speculation?

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" i'm a computer programmer, ... i've worked for NASA etc.. ....Tom Fenny (R) was working with Yang the voting machine company... and was the on the Florida election board...They asked me to fix the vote..."



VOTER’S WATCHDOG: ELECTION OFFICIALS ARRESTED FOR RIGGING ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES; PLUS DIEBOLD ATM MACHINES FOUND TO CONTAIN SECRET ID-STEALING SOFTWARE
April 1, 2009 (La Mesa)—The prospect of election-rigging via electronic vote machines is no longer a theory. In Kentucky, election officials have been arrested for reportedly buying and selling votes—and manipulating votes using electronic voting machines without the knowledge of voters. Officials arrested and charged under Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) laws normally reserved for organized crime included a circuit court judge, the county clerk, a school superintendent and other members of the Clay County elections board, Brad Friedman reported in an article titled “Kentucky Fried Clickin’” at Bradblog.com (http://Bradblog.com). According to the indictment, the officials’ alleged criminal actions affected outcomes of federal, local and state primary and general elections in 2002, 2004 and 2006. Charges include extortion, mail fraud, obstruction of justice, conspiracy to injure voters’ rights and conspiracy to commit voter fraud. The scheme involved both Democrats and Republicans, though a poster claiming to be from Clay County alleged that the Democrats arrested were actually Republicans who re-registered in order to wrest control of precinct leadership positions and influence primary election outcomes.
The machines in the Kentucky scam were ES&S touch-screens capable of flipping votes. ES&S machines are not used in San Diego County, which relies on Diebold electronic voting equipment instead. Last month, Voter’s Watchdog reported (http://eastcountymagazine.org/?q=node/886) on how Diebold machines in California have been found to contain a secret “delete” option capable of wiping out large numbers of ballots in a virtually undetectable way.
But Diebold’s unreliability isn’t limited to voting equipment. In late March, ITWire revealed that anti-virus provider Sophos has discovered malware coding on Diebold automated teller machines (ATM). The software code creates a skimmer capable of secretly recording ATM card details and personal identification numbers (PIN numbers) without the customer’s knowledge. Sophos concluded that the software was pre-installed at the Diebold factory.
“It appears to be an inside job, as it uses undocumented functions of the ATM software and appears to use the printer,” stated an article in ITWire. Similar undocumented functions have repeatedly been found in Diebold voting software.
My bank uses Diebold ATM machines. On my next visit, I will be visiting the bank manager and asking them to remove these untrustworthy machines capable of committing identity theft and/or robbing customers of our funds. I suggest that all of you do the same.



i'd use more recent stories but the level of denial on the R side here is so high that unless someone has gone to court it's not real if Rs are accused.
But if democrats do it, then an amateur video sting is good enough, proof.

[taft2012]

Impressive. You wound up missing more points than a bald porcupine.

1. I don't dismiss third party controversies "out of hand", I just don't automatically accept third party complaints as legitimate. There can be a host of legitimate reasons to disqualify third party candidates from a ballot.

... and that neither side is more guilty than the other. Depends on whose ox is being gored.

... and third parties have no superior morality that prevents them from engaging in signature gathering shenanigans to get themselves onto ballots.

2. I wasn't saying voting machines *CAN'T* be rigged. I was asking for proof in this particular case.

The notion that "Romney used to work at Bain, which invested in a company, which owns a subsidiary company, that invested in ..."

That's the same Kevin Bacon Game reasoning Romney exploded in the debate when he pointed out that Obama himself was invested in China.

Check your 401K. *YOU* might have the same interests in those voting machines that Romney does.

[aboutime]

Vote Counting/Stealing is a real serious issue.
Who owns and who has access to the machines is an issue to everyone except the Republicans who do most of the owning. And those who like to imagine that Republicans would never fix an election. But Democrats cheat all the time because well they are #*%&^@ democrats. No need for much proof beyond a sketchy news story on that front.
that's logical and rational, because it just is you fool.

Still waiting for comments on the story of republicains Sueing to keep 3rd party candidates off the ballot. no ready excuses at hand for that one i guess. spread democracy and free elections around the world, and that by the point of a gun, but sue to keep candidates OFF the ballot in the U.S.. makes sense.

Any ol partisan company owning voting machines is no problem. I'm sure.

revelarts. Please answer one, very simple question for me? Do you believe the destruction of World Trade Center, Building 7 was an intentional act of the U.S. Govt. or other sources?

I am asking this for one reason, and one reason only.

[jimnyc]

If the shitty candidates from the whiners were anything NEAR what America was interested in, they would be in every primary, every debate, every ballot and every election. I suppose I could whine that other Republicans aren't on the ballot either. Why should only one get to be there? Oh, wait, that's the current regulations? And America wants it that way, and don't want the shitty candidates wasting our time, money and resources? Oh well, that's why the Ron Paul's and Johnson's don't get what their whiners want, because America shows little to no interest in them. If they can't attract enough attention to win a local mayor's position, too bad, try harder next time.

[jimnyc]

revelarts. Please answer one, very simple question for me? Do you believe the destruction of World Trade Center, Building 7 was an intentional act of the U.S. Govt. or other sources?

I am asking this for one reason, and one reason only.

Rev believes it because Jesse Ventura said so!! And if you tune into that blowhard this week, you'll learn about his newest conspiracy - time travel!

[DragonStryk72]

If the shitty candidates from the whiners were anything NEAR what America was interested in, they would be in every primary, every debate, every ballot and every election. I suppose I could whine that other Republicans aren't on the ballot either. Why should only one get to be there? Oh, wait, that's the current regulations? And America wants it that way, and don't want the shitty candidates wasting our time, money and resources? Oh well, that's why the Ron Paul's and Johnson's don't get what their whiners want, because America shows little to no interest in them. If they can't attract enough attention to win a local mayor's position, too bad, try harder next time.

Actually, The Democratic and Republican parties OWN the debate group that's used for the debates, so they get to set all their own rules, and can exclude whomever they want, as well as making sure they never get asked a question they don't want to aswer. The reason they can't AFFORD the necessary funds to stand a real chance against the big two is because Dems and Reps have already spent over a billion EACH on campaigning this cycle. When you go back, even as far as the 60s-70s, third party candidates could get whole states, actually scoring point in the electoral. Ron Paul DID get to run, since he's a Republican, and was at the Republican debates, so his voice did get heard on a fair playing field there.

Gary Johnson and the rest of the third party candidates were purposely excluded, for a very simple point: It's very difficult to divide the base when there are more than two candidates. Dems and Reps KNOW that they're polarizing us, and they're using that because it's useful to getting them, and keeping them, in office.

[jimnyc]

Actually, The Democratic and Republican parties OWN the debate group that's used for the debates, so they get to set all their own rules, and can exclude whomever they want, as well as making sure they never get asked a question they don't want to aswer. The reason they can't AFFORD the necessary funds to stand a real chance against the big two is because Dems and Reps have already spent over a billion EACH on campaigning this cycle. When you go back, even as far as the 60s-70s, third party candidates could get whole states, actually scoring point in the electoral. Ron Paul DID get to run, since he's a Republican, and was at the Republican debates, so his voice did get heard on a fair playing field there.

Gary Johnson and the rest of the third party candidates were purposely excluded, for a very simple point: It's very difficult to divide the base when there are more than two candidates. Dems and Reps KNOW that they're polarizing us, and they're using that because it's useful to getting them, and keeping them, in office.

And many of the debates over the years are from groups who invite the candidates, who in turn can choose to accept or turn down the invitation. If these candidates were of any value, and enough of America wanted them to be heard, they would. The fact is, they just aren't popular enough and America simply doesn't want them in the mix yet. If they can't seem to get 15% of the vote, which is per rule, then they get knocked out - no different than candidates getting knocked out in the primaries. It would be dumb to have debates and force them to allow 7-10 candidates partake, when some of them will get 2-3% of the national vote, if that. We also have rules as to getting enough signatures before candidates can get on certain ballots. We've always had checks in place to ensure candidates had a chance in hell before allowing them in, to keep the elections from becoming a mockery and having endless entries. Johnson would be allowed into the official debates, ran by the commission, if he reached the 15% plateau on at least 5 national polls - he hasn't - and that's why he was excluded.

[aboutime]

Rev believes it because Jesse Ventura said so!! And if you tune into that blowhard this week, you'll learn about his newest conspiracy - time travel!

I'm still hoping rev will answer my question. How he answers will determine whether my suspicions about him are true, or false.

They weren't difficult questions. What do you think Rev?

[jimnyc]

I'm still hoping rev will answer my question. How he answers will determine whether my suspicions about him are true, or false.

They weren't difficult questions. What do you think Rev?

I hope you're into nonsense and conspiracy garbage then!

[revelarts]

So the potato's to hot to answer any questions about why Republicans own voting machines and sue 3rd party candidates to get them off the ballots yet send troops to foreign countries to make SURE they can vote for however they want. "spreading democracy"

Can't answer that Stuff soooo You know what time it is Kids?
It's time to attack the questioner!!!
Not own up to what the party's doing/done wrong, ever.
Lame debating techniques folks.

Why not just say "well you know Rev you might have a point here. That guy testifying before congress said that a Republican asked him to fix some voting machines in Florida. i just didn't know that . That's just so WRONG. I hope that republican goes to freaking jail. he's a DISGRACE to the party and AMERICA!
:salute::salute::salute: How can i bash Democrats in good conscious if some few handful of Republicans might be doing the same? Voting machine ownership and handling should be open to public view and the programing, chain of custody etc should all be completely transparent so that we all can trust the process. That's what this country stands for. Free and honest elections. We want it here ...AND in foreign countries... It's not my place to decide who others will vote for but we all should stand together on a clean count. I think your Batstink Crazy on some issues Rev but i'm with ya here buddy, lets root out those vote stealing crooks whoever they are for America and the Children...."

Now Something like that would do my old heart good. But no, what do i get, slight personal attacks for pointing out real crooks. I'm the the bad guy?
Is it just wrong to question any Republican on the vote count process?
Do we wait until after the votes are counted to check into who might even remotely have influence over the count?
Is it impossible for Republicans to do wrong here? (no my above post and others proves that.)
Is it that if it does happen we surely don't admit it or mention it?

But those questions won't be touched, no it's about me. somethings wrong with me?

alright fellas, sure that's the best way to handle these questions.

[aboutime]

I hope you're into nonsense and conspiracy garbage then!



jimnyc: Yeah. I see what you mean. Sad, ain't it? And just as you predicted, and...come to think of it. Just as I thought as well.

I was also hoping Rev. would bring up Romney's Offshore accounts...that seem to be a huge Liberal thorn in most cases. But, did anyone from the MSM happen to mention how Romney pointed out....How Obama also had Offshore accounts. And, let's not forget. When Obama told Romney his Pension was bigger than his. That was just another of Obama's lies. So. Let's let Rev. think, or say whatever makes a Liberal happy...impressing themselves.

[jimnyc]

jimnyc: Yeah. I see what you mean. Sad, ain't it? And just as you predicted, and...come to think of it. Just as I thought as well.

I was also hoping Rev. would bring up Romney's Offshore accounts...that seem to be a huge Liberal thorn in most cases. But, did anyone from the MSM happen to mention how Romney pointed out....How Obama also had Offshore accounts. And, let's not forget. When Obama told Romney his Pension was bigger than his. That was just another of Obama's lies. So. Let's let Rev. think, or say whatever makes a Liberal happy...impressing themselves.

He's a 9/11 nutter who basically believes anything Jesse Ventura or Ron Paul tells him. Rev told us during the primaries not to count out Ron Paul as he was a "great strategist". Well, the great strategist got absolutely devoured and embarrassed off of the national stage, and Rev's a bit off the rails since. The whole world is a conspiracy, black helicopters and the D's and R's are the new Bin Laden's to him. And as you can see, he gets a little butt hurt when people don't have an orgasm over inanity. :coffee: :lol: :laugh2:

[aboutime]

He's a 9/11 nutter who basically believes anything Jesse Ventura or Ron Paul tells him. Rev told us during the primaries not to count out Ron Paul as he was a "great strategist". Well, the great strategist got absolutely devoured and embarrassed off of the national stage, and Rev's a bit off the rails since. The whole world is a conspiracy, black helicopters and the D's and R's are the new Bin Laden's to him. And as you can see, he gets a little butt hurt when people don't have an orgasm over inanity. :coffee: :lol: :laugh2:

jimnyc: Thanks for filling me in. Maybe the REV. could use a little love, and a couple hugs to hold him over.
So, here is my offering to the REV. For that Little Butt Hurt....4024

[jimnyc]

jimnyc: Thanks for filling me in. Maybe the REV. could use a little love, and a couple hugs to hold him over.
So, here is my offering to the REV. For that Little Butt Hurt....4024

And it's not just WTC7, Rev thinks buildings 1 and 2 had thermite in them and explosives brought them down. It was all a conspiracy, and WE are the ones who are nuts for not believing the endless youtube videos and book sellers he posts about. Just do a search on the subject, but be forewarned, it's liable to hurt your brain if you read too much of the crap about 9/11.

[aboutime]

And it's not just WTC7, Rev thinks buildings 1 and 2 had thermite in them and explosives brought them down. It was all a conspiracy, and WE are the ones who are nuts for not believing the endless youtube videos and book sellers he posts about. Just do a search on the subject, but be forewarned, it's liable to hurt your brain if you read too much of the crap about 9/11.



I know exactly what you are talking about jimnyc. I have visited the YOUTUBE site many times. And found myself visiting with the LOONIES who are convinced....BUSH orchestrated 911, and despite them always calling him an Idiot. They actually are convinced HE and Rumsfeld...whom they also thought was an idiot....coordinated, arranged, and magically caused Imaginary Planes....Millions of People DID NOT SEE, crash into those buildings

And we can't forget. I bumped into a FLIGHT 93 conspiracy jerk whom...to this day. Insists the Passengers, and crew, with the hijackers are all on the CIA Program that Created New Identities for each of them. SO...we will never be told the truth that NO PLANES, but Missiles were sent into those buildings from OUR AIR FORCE Jets...all stationed around AREA 51.

And IT GETS BETTER, AND FUNNIER...the longer you HURT YOUR BRAIN....laughing.

[taft2012]

That guy testifying before congress said that a Republican asked him to fix some voting machines in Florida. i just didn't know that . That's just so WRONG. .

If it's true, it's wrong.

But WTF does that have to do with the price of eggs in Guam?

Voting machines are now basically scanners, meaning there are a host of companies who can manufacture them.

Your Kevin Bacon game of backtracking through mutual funds, investments, subsidiaries, and subsidiary investments is an argument so weak that even Michael Jackson could have whipped its ass.

[aboutime]

If it's true, it's wrong.

But WTF does that have to do with the price of eggs in Guam?

Voting machines are now basically scanners, meaning there are a host of companies who can manufacture them.

Your Kevin Bacon game of backtracking through mutual funds, investments, subsidiaries, and subsidiary investments is an argument so weak that even Michael Jackson could have whipped its ass.


Rev. Making statements as you have. Probably wasn't thought out, or reasoned very well on your part.

Think about this. VOTING MACHINES are made in the U.S., or somewhere Overseas.

Let's just say. VOTING MACHINES are all manufactured here in the United States.

So. Reason this. If I happen to be the owner of a VOTING MACHINE company...and I am a Republican. Do I have Democrat employee's who help in building, and assembling My VOTING MACHINES...like any other company in this country. Or...
If YOU happened to be the owner of a VOTING MACHINE company, and you are a Democrat. Do you have Republican employee's who help in building, and assembling YOUR VOTING MACHINES...like any other company in this country????

If you say I will only employ Republicans, or You will only employ Democrates..

BOTH of us are guilty of Breaking FEDERAL LAWS.

So. What is wrong with Romney, or Obama possibly knowing someone, of having invested shares in such companies IF...those companies want to remain competitive, legal, and fair. In order to Remain in business. What is the problem as long as they Obey, and Follow Federal Laws????

Or....Are you just pulling a typical Liberal, Democrat accusation game...worried about someone else...CHEATING and getting away with it...like YOU don't want anyone to know....YOU ARE DOING?

[jimnyc]

Another thing I'm curious about, the 3rd party candidate supporters... Johnson and Stein are on ballots... are we perhaps to believe that the alleged fraudulent activity and other things these supporters disagree with, would somehow affect these candidates chances? In other words, should these votes be taken verbally, house by house, and each vote assured of being correct, would these candidates have a chance anyway? Not a chance in hell! I'm not saying that any fraud found shouldn't be corrected, but it's certainly not going to do a damn thing to help what America is barely voting for anyway. Any issues found, as usual, will solely affect the 2 candidates that the haters already hate. The great strategist never had a chance and neither did any of these 3rd party candidates.

[red states rule]

Looks like you and others were SUCKERED into this fake story. This is what happens when libs run with a story they want to be true but fail to do a fact check first





Looks like jafar and Gabby have something in common. You inject facts into their threads they run away like a wet dog