Obama nearing 1 billion dollars in his bid to buy the Office .

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49317004/ns/us_news-education_nation/?ocid=msnhp

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Early in the presidential campaign, there was talk of President Obama (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Barack+Obama) raising and spending $1 billion on his re-election effort. With the latest report and a month still to go as the hotly-contest race accelerates toward Election Day (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Election+Day), it looks like he’ll easily make that figure.

“Some amazing news this morning: 1,825,813 people came together to raise $181 million for this campaign in September,” Obama tweeted Saturday as the campaign released its figures for last month.
That brings the Obama campaign’s total fund raising to $947 million – well on the way to passing the billion-dollar mark and the 2008 total.
The $181 million, raised by the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Democratic+National+Committee), was far more than the $114 million raised in August and nearly as much as the record monthly amount collected in September 2008 ($193 million).
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How much of that is foreign contributions? Illegal foreign political campaign contributions!?? Last time around much of it was and this time he needs it even more, so here it is , delivered right when he needs it most. So convenient , eh? -Tyr

[tailfins]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/06/obama-raises-183-million-in-september-campaign-says/


The average donation was $53, the campaign said, and 98% of donations were under $250.

How many $49 debit cards were involved, where it's not even required to report the name of the donor? I smell Chinese military and Mexican drug money.

[Kathianne]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/06/obama-raises-183-million-in-september-campaign-says/



How many $49 debit cards were involved, where it's not even required to report the name of the donor? I smell Chinese military and Mexican drug money.

Yes, less than 1% is 'reportable.' Unreal. Brings to mind:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57405077/obama-im-not-hiding-the-ball-on-russia/


...Obama got caught on tape Monday (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57404379/obama-asks-russia-for-space-on-missile-defense/) telling Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he would have more room to negotiate on missile defense after getting through a November election, presumably expecting to win and not have to face voters again...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes, less than 1% is 'reportable.' Unreal. Brings to mind:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57405077/obama-im-not-hiding-the-ball-on-russia/


Obama, a liar and a traitor. I am firmly convinced that if a fair investigation was conducted into whether he has committed treason or not it would show that he has.. Nobody could do as many things to harm this nation as he has and it be accidental. Then we have his open defiance of the Constitution( with utter contempt for) that he is sworn by oath to protect.--Tyr

[glockmail]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/06/obama-raises-183-million-in-september-campaign-says/



How many $49 debit cards were involved, where it's not even required to report the name of the donor? I smell Chinese military and Mexican drug money.

I smell George Soros.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/100812-628607-obama-campaign-raises-illegal-cash-overseas.htm





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Corruption: A new study suggests that President Obama's campaign systematically pursued foreign contributions to fuel his run for the presidency, a violation of law. Is America's democracy now for sale to the highest bidder?
The Government Accountability Institute, which is headed by Stanford University Professor Peter Schweizer, used sophisticated Internet investigative tools — including something called "spidering" software — to determine how the web is being used to raise political funds.
What it found should be of concern, since it suggests that many in Congress and, more importantly, the Obama campaign have systematically exploited loopholes in the law to raise millions of dollars overseas — a big chunk of it in the People's Republic of China.
How is this done? Through the mundane use of what's called in the credit-card world the Card Verification Value, or CVV. It's the three-digit number on the back of a card that helps positively identify that the person using the card has it in his or her possession. It's a key anti-fraud weapon, used by nearly all legitimate e-commerce businesses and charities.
Obama's campaign doesn't use it. Mitt Romney's does. So why the particular concern over Obama?
As the report notes, letting a flood of money into the political system with no verification of its source is an invitation to fraud — especially from overseas.
The report adds, "the Internet's ability to disintermediate campaign contributions on a mass scale, as well as outmoded and lax Federal Election Commission rules, make U.S. elections vulnerable to foreign influence."
Is Obama exploiting this? Under federal election law, contributions from foreign sources are prohibited. But the law also doesn't require a campaign to disclose the source of contributions less than $200, and it doesn't even have to keep records for those giving less than $50.
In September, for instance, Obama's campaign announced it had raised $181 million. But if you're looking for transparency, you won't find it: Just 2% of that amount — $3.6 million — has to be reported to the FEC.
Of special concern are funds flowing into the Obama campaign from foreign sources, especially China.
In 2008, Robert Roche, a U.S. businessman based in Shanghai with extensive commercial ties to the Chinese government, bought the website Obama.com.






Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/100812-628607-obama-campaign-raises-illegal-cash-overseas.htm#ixzz28lkj66Q1

[Kathianne]

Just like 2008, Obama is encouraging foreign donations, citizenry is of no matter. Makes perfect sense, since in Obama vision, Americans are generally xenophobic, obese, Neanderthals. A few exceptions for democrat volunteers, unless they are fat.

[gabosaurus]

Obama is raising so much money, they ought to make him an honorary Republican.

[Kathianne]

Obama is raising so much money, they ought to make him an honorary Republican.

True. Of the Chinese elite.

[gabosaurus]

True. Of the Chinese elite.

If Romney had checked his facts, he would be surprised at how relatively little we owe China.
I even found a Fox News source about it.



But if you thought China's been doing most of the bankrolling, you might be surprised to learn who really holds our federal mortgage.
Fully two-thirds of the national debt is owed to the U.S. government, American investors and future retirees, through the Social Security Trust Fund and pension plans for civil service workers and military personnel. China, it turns out, holds less than 8 percent of the money our government has borrowed over the years.
China has actually decreased its holdings of U.S. debt over the past year, dropping from $1.31 trillion in June 2011 to $1.16 trillion a year later, according to the Treasury Department. Japan holds nearly as much, at $1.12 trillion. Those countries are by far the biggest foreign holders, but dozens of other nations, including Brazil, Russia, Taiwan, Switzerland and the United Kingdom hold trillions more.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/04/who-do-owe-most-that-16-trillion-to-hint-it-isnt-china/#ixzz28m0tIjua

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If Romney had checked his facts, he would be surprised at how relatively little we owe China.
I even found a Fox News source about it.





http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/04/who-do-owe-most-that-16-trillion-to-hint-it-isnt-china/#ixzz28m0tIjua

You do realise that is a 150 billion dollar decrease going from 1.31 trillion to 1.16 trillion dollars. Easily could have been done because they've invested many tens of billions more in their military. Also they would want to shed much more if they think to greatly oppose or fight us in the near future. If your boy gets another term they will during that time likely shed more of their investments in our nation prepping for war with us in the future or else they will greatly increase it in order to have far greater influence in our affairs , especially our politics and elections. Recently they have very greatly increased their miltary spending and its not to go sailing around the oceans for the joy of it.. I doubt any of this sinks in because Im betting that your IQ is far too low but hey I gave it a shot anyways.
Additionally the decrease could be the transfer of our debt by selling it in order to buy gold, which they are doing big time. That is because they are among the nations that seek to replace the U.S. dollar.. Most of what they do is against us but you libs just love them.. --Tyr
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Do you ever study the subjects you comment on or is your "smarter than you are" comment infinite in its scope and reach???--:laugh:--Tyr

[red states rule]

Obama is raising so much money, they ought to make him an honorary Republican.


If only Obama was bringing in the money legally. No wonder he brought Bill Clinton on board

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37249-Obama-campaign-illegally-solicited-foreign-donors

[fj1200]

Do you ever study the subjects you comment on or is your "smarter than you are" comment infinite in its scope and reach???

:shakeshead:

[red states rule]

:shakeshead:

Wow, FJ you really nailed him and refuted his post with that highly researched fact filled post :laugh2:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Wow, FJ you really nailed him and refuted his post with that highly researched fact filled post :laugh2:

Yep, his intensive , indepth research and posting is fantastic! Sure amazes me often..-;)--Tyr

[red states rule]

Yep, his intensive , indepth research and posting is fantastic! Sure amazes me often..-;)--Tyr

His posts are an excellent cure for insomnia

[fj1200]

Wow, FJ you really nailed him and refuted his post with that highly researched fact filled post :laugh2:


Yep, his intensive , indepth research and posting is fantastic! Sure amazes me often..-;)--Tyr

You guys are right, it's hard to argue with all the "what ifs," "could bes," and "might happens," that were buried in that post. :rolleyes:

[fj1200]

BTW, how much is Romney raising in his bid to "buy" the Office?

[red states rule]

You guys are right, it's hard to argue with all the "what ifs," "could bes," and "might happens," that were buried in that post. :rolleyes:

From what I have seen from you recently it is hard for you to argue with logic, reason, truth, and facts

BUt you have perfected the art of snobbery FJ

[fj1200]

From what I have seen from you recently it is hard for you to argue with logic, reason, truth, and facts

Show me some.


BUt you have perfected the art of snobbery FJ

Yes, I am snobbish over the ignorant.

[red states rule]

Show me some.



Yes, I am snobbish over the ignorant.

Yes FU you are a legend in your own mind and you do mind reminding all of us

I guess we should thank you for taking time to speak to the commoners.

[fj1200]

Yes FU you are a legend in your own mind and you do mind reminding all of us

I guess we should thank you for taking time to speak to the commoners.

So you're not going to show me some "logic, reason, truth, and facts"?

I will take snobbish over classless anytime though.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So you're not going to show me some "logic, reason, truth, and facts"?

I will take snobbish over classless anytime though.

Utter failure, snobbish is classless .. Our society suffers from a severe lack of decency . One does not applaud snobbery. Much as one does not celebrate farting in public. You should already know that but your comment certainly did not indicate so.-Tyr

[Noir]

BTW, how much is Romney raising in his bid to "buy" the Office?

+1

The last stat i saw (though it was several weeks ago now) was that both candidates had passed the 600 million mark, so unless Romney's intakes have slowed down considerably compared to Obamas, i'm sure he's not far off the billion mark himself.

[red states rule]

Utter failure, snobbish is classless .. Our society suffers from a severe lack of decency . One does not applaud snobbery. Much as one does not celebrate farting in public. You should already know that but your comment certainly did not indicate so.-Tyr

FU is much happier with his own kind

http://thesmartly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/snobs.gif

[fj1200]

Utter failure, snobbish is classless .. Our society suffers from a severe lack of decency . One does not applaud snobbery. Much as one does not celebrate farting in public. You should already know that but your comment certainly did not indicate so.-Tyr

I guess I'm in company with you then. :2up: BTW, for me to be snobbish, you two need to be ignorant and classless. ;)


FU is much happier with his own kind

Who would my kind be? Nevertheless, we certainly know who sticks together around here; Facts, logic, truth, reason be damned.

[glockmail]

BTW, how much is Romney raising in his bid to "buy" the Office?This ignores the issue of The Obama getting all though $49 donations...

[fj1200]

This ignores the issue of The Obama getting all though $49 donations...

Maybe, but has nothing to do with the thread title.

[glockmail]

Maybe, but has nothing to do with the thread title. What? Last month he got half of his revenue with $49 donations.

[Kathianne]

I'll try.


So you're not going to show me some "logic, reason, truth, and facts"?

I will take snobbish over classless anytime though.


Oct 9, 2012 8:06am

Group Warns of Foreign, Fraudulent Donors to Obama Campaign
A conservative political watchdog group (http://campaignfundingrisks.com/) is raising the prospect of an “illegal-donor loophole” in the nation’s campaign finance system, and suggesting the grassroots-donor-heavy Obama Campaign may stand to benefit.


In a 109-page report published at a new website CampaignFundingRisks.com (http://campaignfundingrisks.com/), the Government Accountability Institute alleges the current online campaign contribution system lacks accountability and transparency, making it highly susceptible to foreign and fraudulent gifts...

[red states rule]

and FU gives us the sound of crickets chirping :laugh2:

[fj1200]

and FU gives us the sound of crickets chirping :laugh2:

Your buddy sold you out...


First major sign that you have lost is attempting to score by corrupting the name of your opponent. A bit childish too.-:laugh:


are you going to let him get away with that?

[fj1200]

What? Last month he got half of his revenue with $49 donations.

So if that were not the case then he wouldn't be attempting to "buy" the election?

[fj1200]

I'll try.

It's bad and should be changed to ensure transparency to the political process.

[glockmail]

So if that were not the case then he wouldn't be attempting to "buy" the election? The amount that he raises is not the issue, but how it's raised. There is little doubt that George Soros is doing this, just like he did in the last election. The Obama is his puppet.

[Noir]

Sometimes the cognitive dissonance on displaying when it comes to Obama/Romney discussions is bewildering, from both sides.

As regards this thread - the term 'buy' it's obviously used to try and imply that the presidency is effectively for sale, and Obama is trying to buy it...however, if you believe that then you must also believe that Romney is also trying to 'buy' the presidency with the hundreds of millions he's so far raised.

This is nothing to do with who is donating monies, or what size the donations are. If you think Obamas trying to buy the office, then unless you're severely lacking in critical faculties, you should say then same of Romney.

[glockmail]

...

This is nothing to do with who is donating monies, or what size the donations are. ...

Actually there is. Campaign donations from foreign sources is illegal. Donations above a certain amount to a candidate are illegal. It's obvious that The Obama is breaking both laws.

[Noir]

Actually there is. Campaign donations from foreign sources is illegal. Donations above a certain amount to a candidate are illegal. It's obvious that The Obama is breaking both laws.

But my post was on regards to the thread title, and the language used.

Put it this way, two questions
A) Do you think Obama is trying to 'buy' the presidency?
B) Do you think Romney is trying to 'buy' the presidency?

[glockmail]

But my post was on regards to the thread title, and the language used.

Put it this way, two questions
A) Do you think Obama is trying to 'buy' the presidency?
B) Do you think Romney is trying to 'buy' the presidency?

Maybe you need to understand what is happening here. Both campaigns have wealthy donors and small donors. Over a certain amount (less than $2500 or so), donations must go to "political action committees", or PACs, and the funds spent to promote issues, not individual candidates. Over $50 to an individual and that candidate must keep your name and amount on file, to make sure that you don't have numerous donations that exceed the maximum. But The Obama's small donors have tapped out in recent month, so his wealthy donors are cheating by donating hundreds of times in $49 increments. The evidence is clear and he did the exact same thing in 2008.

So The Fucking Obama is attempting to "buy" the election with the help of a few wealthy individuals.

Do you see how that is different than the GOP candidate?

[fj1200]

The amount that he raises is not the issue, but how it's raised. There is little doubt that George Soros is doing this, just like he did in the last election. The Obama is his puppet.

Someone should start a thread about that. :poke:

[red states rule]

Your buddy sold you out...



are you going to let him get away with that?

Once again FU you duck a direct question while whining how people do not debate on this borad

I will make things esay for you - here is the link Kat was talkiing about

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37249-Obama-campaign-illegally-solicited-foreign-donors

[fj1200]

Once again FU you duck a direct question while whining how people do not debate on this borad

I will make things esay for you - here is the link Kat was talkiing about

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37249-Obama-campaign-illegally-solicited-foreign-donors

What question did I duck Mr. Class? I said it's bad.

EDIT:

And just now I commented in your thread. It seems to have gotten much attention.

[red states rule]

But my post was on regards to the thread title, and the language used.

Put it this way, two questions
A) Do you think Obama is trying to 'buy' the presidency?
B) Do you think Romney is trying to 'buy' the presidency?


The history of Obama on this issue is so typical of the left.

Whe GWB first ran for President in 2000 the Dems and liberal media were outraged he refused public funding and went on to set records for rasing money

Then in 2008 Obama "promised" to get the big money out of policitcs and said he would take public funding. The Dems and liberal meida swooned over Obama and his "change"

Well, Obama lied and borke his promise. the same people who were outraged at Bush and so starry eyed over Obama yawned and said OK

[red states rule]

What question did I duck Mr. Class? I said it's bad.

EDIT:

And just now I commented in your thread. It seems to have gotten much attention.


Gee that's real white of you FU. I guess you think I should be honored YOU may reply to MY thread? :laugh2:

[fj1200]

Gee that's real white of you FU. I guess you think I should be honored YOU may reply to MY thread? :laugh2:

Well no one else bothered to reply and you were so anxious for my thoughts on the subject. BTW, you should have a higher opinion of yourself.

[red states rule]

Well no one else bothered to reply and you were so anxious for my thoughts on the subject. BTW, you should have a higher opinion of yourself.

Please FU no more whining how people here do not debate. You are so much like Obama I am beginning to think you two were seperated at birth

[fj1200]

Please FU no more whining how people here do not debate. You are so much like Obama I am beginning to think you two were seperated at birth

Listing of how I am like Obama please. Or is personal insults all you have left?

[red states rule]

Listing of how I am like Obama please. Or is personal insults all you have left?

For starters, your huge ego, arrogance, condescending attitude, and the never endng impression you give that you are always right and so much smarter then everyone else

Again that is only for starters

[fj1200]

For starters, your huge ego, arrogance, condescending attitude, and the never endng impression you give that you are always right and so much smarter then everyone else

Again that is only for starters

I'm sorry that you feel that your posting is inadequate. Your listing sure does sound about how you talk about those evil libs though.

[red states rule]

I'm sorry that you feel that your posting is inadequate. Your listing sure does sound about how you talk about those evil libs though.

I rest my case FU. I do not know what happened to you - at one time you were a good contributor to the board.

Now you more like Virgil and OCA

[fj1200]

I rest my case FU. I do not know what happened to you - at one time you were a good contributor to the board.

Now you more like Virgil and OCA

God you're an idiot. Go post a cartoon.

[red states rule]

God you're an idiot. Go post a cartoon.

YOu do ot need to go out of your way to show what a poor poster you have become. You really do not have to work at it FU it comes natural to you these days

and you were whining about personal insults a few posts back?

[fj1200]

YOu do ot need to go out of your way to show what a poor poster you have become. You really do not have to work at it FU it comes natural to you these days

and you were whining about personal insults a few posts back?

You're a damn fool with zero ability to have an intelligent conversation. Your pathetic attempts at insult and derision are mere cover for your lack of decency.

[red states rule]

You're a damn fool with zero ability to have an intelligent conversation. Your pathetic attempts at insult and derision are mere cover for your lack of decency.


Originally Posted by fj1200

Or is personal insults all you have left?

:laugh2:

[fj1200]

One of us, one of us...

You confuse insult with truth.

[red states rule]

You confuse insult with truth.

Spoken like a Virgil and OCA wannabe. Get some more practice and get back to me :lol:

[fj1200]

Spoken like a Virgil and OCA wannabe. Get some more practice and get back to me :lol:

Why don't you get back to me when you learn basic human decency and some debating skills.