Teacher bullys conservative student for her shirt & kicks her out of class...

[KitchenKitten99]

I'd like to see Gabby explain away this one...

http://wap.myfoxtwincities.com/w/main/story/74773497/#ixzz28LXgH4Jg


A local teenager's support for Mitt Romney has landed her teacher in a bit of trouble.

Samantha Pawlucy is an honor student at Charles Carroll High School in Port Richmond.

She isn't even old enough to vote. But, thanks to her choice in wardrobe, she's getting a crash course in politics.

The controversy surrounds a Romney-Ryan campaign T-shirt that Samantha wore during a casual dress day.

"I came in. And she said, 'Are you wearing a Mitt Romney shirt?' And I said, 'Yeah.' She pointed and said, 'Get out of the class.' And I said, 'No.'"

Apparently the shirt didn't go over to well with Samantha's math teacher.

"You can't wear a Republican shirt in a Democratic school," Samantha says her teacher told her.

Samantha says the comments by the teacher led to more teasing about her shirt by other students and a janitor. She was even compared to being in the KKK.

"She took a red marker, tried to draw on it, and then she told me to take off my shirt and she would give me a different one," Samantha said.

Her parents got word of what was going on. But, after a meeting with the principal and the teacher, they're still not satisfied.

......rest of story at link

[logroller]

I believe there's no reason to introduce partisan politics to school. I do have a problem with the teacher saying its a democratic school, because its not. It should be neutral in matters of political parties, and if there is a school rule about no political what-have-you, then enforce it...neutrally. Like, does the teacher have an Obama sticker on his/her car...tsk tsk. Nor is a school a democratic structure; technocratic, meritocratic, but not democratic. Its not as though pupils, nor even their parents get to vote on who is teaching what.

[Thunderknuckles]

That idiot teacher just made life long conservative out of that girl after giving her such a glowing example of what it means to be a liberal. :laugh:

As for disciplining the teacher, if she isn't all that good of a math teacher, fire her. If she has talent, I'd consider keeping her on only after she completed a mandatory written article on both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

[mundame]

It is very difficult to understand how someone who has actually been in training to be a teacher could be so unAmerican. She should be fired INSTANTLY. Immediately. Clear out her desk, escorted out to her car, that's the end.

What is wrong with these terrible leftists?

[Noir]

Depends on the time of the talking, none of us were there, do we don't know, and reading statements, out of context, doesn't represent the situation.

[krisy]

Depends on the time of the talking, none of us were there, do we don't know, and reading statements, out of context, doesn't represent the situation.

Unless the shirt said "f*** Obama,vote Romney" there was NOTHING justifying the teachers actions.

[logroller]

It is very difficult to understand how someone who has actually been in training to be a teacher could be so unAmerican. She should be fired INSTANTLY. Immediately. Clear out her desk, escorted out to her car, that's the end.

What is wrong with these terrible leftists?
Unions.


."It's an adult that's bullying a child," said the girl's mother.

"I expect it from the students, but not from teachers," said her father.


The School District of Philadelphia confirms comments were made about the shirt. And the principal is investigating.


In a statement, the district tells us, "The student was exercising her right to freedom of speech and she didn't violate any rules."


from the op.

first off I wanted to highlight that the school has said no rules were violated by the student! :clapping:
But I was a disappointed in the father remarking that one should expect bullying from students-- really, that's not what I expect. I would expect better. Maybe it is a democratic school. :dunno:

[gabosaurus]

First of all, schools should be politically neutral zones. Which is why no one is allowed to endorse any political candidate or issue in our school.

I don't know what I am supposed to "explain away" here. We've only heard one side of the story here.

Though I am fairly certain if a teacher had mocked a student wearing an Obama shirt, it would not have ended up on Fox News. :rolleyes:

[red states rule]

First of all, schools should be politically neutral zones. Which is why no one is allowed to endorse any political candidate or issue in our school.

I don't know what I am supposed to "explain away" here. We've only heard one side of the story here.

Though I am fairly certain if a teacher had mocked a student wearing an Obama shirt, it would not have ended up on Fox News. :rolleyes:

politically neutral zones?

This has been common since the Bush years




A Colorado school is in upheaval following the suspension of a teacher who was recorded comparing President Bush's rhetoric to that of Adolf Hitler. More than 100 students at Overland High School in Aurora, Colo., walked out of class this morning to protest the decision to put geography teacher Jay Bennish on administrative leave.
The school administration made the move after a student went public with a 20-minute recording of Bennish's comments to his class.

In the tape, the teacher is heard saying there were similarities between remarks Bush made in his State of the Union address and "things that Adolf Hitler used to say."
Superintendent Monte Moses told ABC News affiliate KMGH-TV that policy calls for both sides of an issue to be presented to students. He said Bennish's presentation appeared unbalanced.
Sophomore Takes Recording to Radio Station

The recording was made by 16-year-old sophomore Sean Allen the day after the president's speech. Allen said he had been disturbed by "political rants" he heard in Bennish's class.

"So these kids are going to have notes on why George Bush is related to Hitler and why the state of Israel was founded on violence and terrorism," Allen told KHOW Radio Wednesday when he went public with his tape.

"These kids are going to have notes on this and accept that as fact."

On the tape, Bennish, who has taught in the Colorado district for five years, is heard quoting part of the State of the Union address: "It is our duty as Americans to use the military to go out in the world and make the world like us." Bennish continues: "Sounds a lot like what Adolph Hilter used to say."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1679439







and we have this liberal teacher screaming at a student over his lack of support for Obama


http://youtu.be/vjpWaESn_9g




and we have this at the college level





Professors Admit They’d Discriminate Against Conservatives


Well this came as a bit of a shock. A new study by Yoel Inbar and Joris Lammers (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/1/liberal-majority-on-campus-yes-were-biased/?page=all), two psychologists from the Netherlands, found that liberal professors admitted they would discriminate against openly conservative peers in both hiring and in advancement.

Even the authors of the study were surprised by the candid responses provided by the professors. Inbar (a former Obama campaign volunteer) stated that, “Usually you have to be pretty tricky to get people to say they’d discriminate against minorities.”

This study is troubling for a variety of reasons, and provides a unique glimpse into the mind of the average college professor.

The first cause for concern is the open way in which professors said they would discriminate against a conservative colleague. If a professor admitted they would openly discriminate against a colleague who was a certain religion/ethnicity, they would be fired and blacklisted from academe. On the other hand, discriminating against someone with a different world view is seen as socially acceptable in the modern university.

The second part of this study begs the question: what does this mean for conservative students? If their professors willingly admit that they’d discriminate against conservative professors, does this mean that they’ll also extend those prejudices out against conservative students?

http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/08/23/professors-admit-theyd-discriminate-against-conservatives/






Don't you just love those open minded liberals Gabby?

[SassyLady]

Depends on the time of the talking, none of us were there, do we don't know, and reading statements, out of context, doesn't represent the situation.

Are you saying that the student, her parents, the teacher, the principal and the other students are lying? Just because you don't want to accept that liberals can be prejudiced?

[tailfins]

First of all, schools should be politically neutral zones. Which is why no one is allowed to endorse any political candidate or issue in our school.

I don't know what I am supposed to "explain away" here. We've only heard one side of the story here.

Though I am fairly certain if a teacher had mocked a student wearing an Obama shirt, it would not have ended up on Fox News. :rolleyes:

You mean like this:

Barack Hussein Obama Mmm Mmm Mmm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ty7WU872Lk

[taft2012]

Though I am fairly certain if a teacher had mocked a student wearing an Obama shirt, it would not have ended up on Fox News. :rolleyes: That's not the Fox News network, that's a local affiliate. Secondly, if a teacher had mocked a student wearing an Obama shirt it would be on every news network across the nation, with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson leading marches and rallies, and the teacher would have already been fired.

[Noir]

Are you saying that the student, her parents, the teacher, the principal and the other students are lying? Just because you don't want to accept that liberals can be prejudiced?

Wouldn't matter if the person was liberal or otherwise. Ofcourse liberals can -and some are- prejudice. I wouldn't claim otherwise.

To go through the list - student, teacher, parents, principle, other students. (from the OP source)

Student - The one making the claim, may of taking jokes in bad humour.
Teacher - Has confirmed they made 'comments about the shirt' again the nature of the comments (a joke?) not alluded to.
Parents - Only relaying what their daughter has told them.
Principle - Has confirmed that they are investigating what happened. So they know something happened, but not the nature.
Other students - Seemed to tease (joke?) along with the teacher. Joining in on the joke, or pack mentality bullying? We don't know, and it would be wrong to assume one way or the other.

[jimnyc]

Funny how "we weren't there" or "we only heard one side of the story" on this one. But back when kids were outright told to take shirts off that had the American flag on them, and they didn't want to upset Mexicans and other nationalities, it was the right thing to do.

[jimnyc]

Here's an example of another time a student wearing a shirt, which was for Jesus, and Noir only heard one side and supported the removal of the shirt:


First off the t-shirt is not hate speech.

Secondly the t-shirt is wrong, as it states an opinion as a fact. Just because someone is of the opinion that my life is wasted without their god, doesn't make it so.

Thirdly I think it says more about their opinion of their own lives, I mean, to have the opinion that a life without Jesus is wasted, is to say that things like your children, wife, friends, and other loved ones etc are just waste, and that only their god makes their life non-wasteful.

Tis in this thread - http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?35018-HS-Student-accused-of-hate-speech-for-Jesus-shirt

And 2 more semi-related:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?33325-Teen-suspended-over-Confederate-flag-shirt-mom-says-school-is-wrong
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?27670-Students-Kicked-Off-Campus-for-Wearing-American-Flag-Tees

[fj1200]

Uniforms for all.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Wouldn't matter if the person was liberal or otherwise. Ofcourse liberals can -and some are- prejudice. I wouldn't claim otherwise.

To go through the list - student, teacher, parents, principle, other students. (from the OP source)

Student - The one making the claim, may of taking jokes in bad humour.
Teacher - Has confirmed they made 'comments about the shirt' again the nature of the comments (a joke?) not alluded to.
Parents - Only relaying what their daughter has told them.
Principle - Has confirmed that they are investigating what happened. So they know something happened, but not the nature.
Other students - Seemed to tease (joke?) along with the teacher. Joining in on the joke, or pack mentality bullying? We don't know, and it would be wrong to assume one way or the other.

^^^ Pretty much a load of horse hockey IMHO..

[gabosaurus]

Another reason why students in our schools are not allowed to wear shirts with any printed messages or logos on them. Outside of school shirts.
Faculty and staff are bound by the same restrictions, in addition to the requirement to "dress professional."

In a country so deeply divided by partisan politics, how can anyone expect to wear a political endorsement and expect not to cause a stir?

[Voted4Reagan]

If it had been my child who had this happen to them....I'd have my lawyer dropping off the papers for a lawsuit the next day...

I would sue them for everything under the sun that I could get to stick.

The teacher in question is a bully.... plain and simple...

I had a teacher pull that with me back in 1980 when I wore a Reagan/Bush Shirt to class (i was a member of the Young Republicans) and the teacher told me to go home and change...I said NO...I refuse.. Teacher said go to the Principles office...I said WHY? Teacher said because you are disrupting the class...I asked..HOW? She said that my shirt was disruptive and Violated the Dress Code.

I pulled out the school handbook and showed her the Dress Code... I told her there was nothing in it against political expression only against OFFENSIVE or Inappropriate Words... And that if she was interested we could take it up with the School Board as she was up for Tenure and my Mother was the head of the Board.

She shut her fucking mouth....

[logroller]

Another reason why students in our schools are not allowed to wear shirts with any printed messages or logos on them. Outside of school shirts.
Faculty and staff are bound by the same restrictions, in addition to the requirement to "dress professional."

In a country so deeply divided by partisan politics, how can anyone expect to wear a political endorsement and expect not to cause a stir?


tolerance.

noun1.a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward thosewhose opinions, practices, race (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race), religion (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion), nationality, etc.,differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

2.a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinionsand practices that differ from one's own.

3.interest in and concern for ideas, opinions, practices, etc.,foreign to one's own; a liberal, undogmatic viewpoint.

4.the act or capacity of enduring; endurance: My tolerance ofnoise is limited.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tolerance

[logroller]

Uniforms for all.

segregation.:laugh2:

[gabosaurus]

If you expect tolerance in a secondary school, you haven't been in school nature. Kids at that stage are naturally judgmental.

Nice to see that V4R responded to bullying by bullying his teacher. I suppose the "Nanny State" was in vogue back in 1980 as well. :rolleyes:

[cadet]

If you expect tolerance in a secondary school, you haven't been in school nature. Kids at that stage are naturally judgmental.

Nice to see that V4R responded to bullying by bullying his teacher. I suppose the "Nanny State" was in vogue back in 1980 as well. :rolleyes:

Notice the bold. we're talking about an intolerant closeminded liberal.



Edit:

Nothing irks me more then adults who act like children.

[logroller]

If you expect tolerance in a secondary school, you haven't been in school nature. Kids at that stage are naturally judgmental.

School nature? Did you mean lately? Well gabs, people are naturally judgmental; this is not unique to teenagers in public schools; experience begets expectations. One of the precepts of a public education is learning to discern rationally what is otherwise a naturally irrational response to diverse experiences. With teachers like those in the OP at the helm, what do you think that experience begets? Get the point. Banning the activity eliminates the experience altogether. But I suppose with such demonstrations of imprudence, if not incompetence (thanks in part to union tenure), administrators are left with no alternative save dilution of the public fora.

[logroller]

Notice the bold. we're talking about an intolerant closeminded liberal.



Edit:

Nothing irks me more then adults who act like children.
Nothing irks me more than oxymoronic statements. I noticed you thanked me for my tolerance posting; check out the 4th? Definition which shows just how UN-liberal "liberals" are-- liberal, by definition, is neither intolerant nor close-minded. It's high time we take that word back. Progressive is out too IMO; aggressive is more accurate.

[red states rule]

and allow me to share this example of liberal tolerance in the classroom





Professor receives slew of backlash after f-word e-mail

A University of Iowa professor who sent a vulgar e-mail to members of the UI College Republicans has seen an outpouring of negative e-mails from students, graduates, and community members.

UI anthropology/women's studies Professor Ellen Lewin has received more than 370 e-mails in the last two days, expressing strong distaste for the message she sent Monday. The e-mails were obtained by The Daily Iowan through an open records request.

In response to the College Republicans' universitywide e-mail encouraging students to take part in "Conservative Coming Out Week," Lewin sent an e-mail saying, "FUCK YOU, REPUBLICANS."

In an e-mail exchange between Lewin and UI spokesman Tom Moore regarding a public records request for the messages, Lewin said, "Do you really want all these? They're pretty ugly."

The disapproving e-mails ranged from swearword-riddled rants to detailed repudiations of Lewin's comments. Many e-mails to Lewin included foul and sexually oriented slurs, some of which The Daily Iowan chose not to publish due to their offensive content.

"You're a cartoon. You make my 10-year-old grandson look like St. Augustine," "You're a terrible human being," and "I'm glad you suffer," were among the statements.

A professor named Jacque from Florida said he was "appalled and ashamed" that she could have used such vulgar language toward students.

"As a psychologist, I highly recommend you seek counseling for your poor impulse control and unresolved rage and hate for anyone with a different view as yours, that is pathological!" he wrote.

However, Lewin also received some encouraging e-mails.

One graduate student in the Anthropology Department supported Lewin, telling her he "completely and utterly [agrees] with every thing you said."

UI senior Chris Page, who served as Student Government director of sustainability this year, also supported Lewin, thanking her for sending the e-mails to the group.

"Hopefully, some day in the future, the UI administration will see your point of view," Page wrote.

UI President Sally Mason also received hundreds of e-mails regarding the incident. Senders said they were "outraged" with Lewin's comments. Some said they planned to pull support from the university, while others called for Lewin's firing. At least one e-mailer said she no longer plans to send her daughter to the UI.

Despite the harsh e-mails, Moore said he has not "received any report of a credible threat" to Lewin.

Moore also said it is far too early to speculate about any action the university may or may not take.

"Those decisions would be considered confidential personnel matters," he said.

http://www.dailyiowan.com/2011/04/22/Metro/23036.html

[aboutime]

I'd like to see Gabby explain away this one...

http://wap.myfoxtwincities.com/w/main/story/74773497/#ixzz28LXgH4Jg


Expecting, or dreaming that gabby would be able to explain this, would be like asking Obama if he paid his REPUBLICAN PARTY DUES yet?

[logroller]

and allow me to share this example of liberal tolerance in the classroom
That story is neither liberal nor tolerant. You're sarcasm is noted, as is mine.;)

[red states rule]

That story is neither liberal nor tolerant. You're sarcasm is noted, as is mine.;)

LR that IS liberal tolerance. I have exerienced it many times for the last 40 years - starting with my Social Studies teacher in HS

I am sure you remember Virgil and his "get well wishes" to me during my cancer treatments

[aboutime]

LR that IS liberal tolerance. I have exerienced it many times for the last 40 years - starting with my Social Studies teacher in HS

I am sure you remember Virgil and his "get well wishes" to me during my cancer treatments


red states rule. We must all remind ourselves occasionally, when speaking to known liberals. How they must, at all costs. Always DENY, or DEFEND what they loosely define as Liberal Tolerance.

In other words. Those two words only apply IF, and WHEN everyone else agree's with them to be appeased, and prevent being labeled with that long series of typical, Liberal accusations.

[mundame]

Student - The one making the claim, may of taking jokes in bad humour.
Teacher - Has confirmed they made 'comments about the shirt' again the nature of the comments (a joke?) not alluded to.
Other students - Seemed to tease (joke?) along with the teacher. Joining in on the joke, or pack mentality bullying? We don't know, and it would be wrong to assume one way or the other.



About "jokes" ---

It's only, ever, a joke if both parties are laughing. If one party is sneering and the other party is not laughing -- and that seems to be what happened here, as in most bullying -- then it's not a joke.

People are always saying about their own bullying, "I was joking and you can't take a joke!" That lets them bully and mock and at the same time get in an EXTRA dig by claiming the mistreated person doesn't have a sense of humor.

The only answer to so-called jokes like this is to tell the people they need to tell funnier jokes; jokes someone besides themselves want to laugh at.

Mocking isn't joking.

[red states rule]

red states rule. We must all remind ourselves occasionally, when speaking to known liberals. How they must, at all costs. Always DENY, or DEFEND what they loosely define as Liberal Tolerance.

In other words. Those two words only apply IF, and WHEN everyone else agree's with them to be appeased, and prevent being labeled with that long series of typical, Liberal accusations.

Ph I know. Virgil was a preacher at his church, and he actually posted he hoped I would die from my cancer so he could piss on my grave

Yes, he was a poster boy for the modern day tolerant liberal

[aboutime]

Ph I know. Virgil was a preacher at his church, and he actually posted he hoped I would die from my cancer so he could piss on my grave

Yes, he was a poster boy for the modern day tolerant liberal


red states rule. At another place like this forum, at another time in the not too distant past. I also had other people who sounded just like this fellow you are talking about who HOPED, and some even PRAYED for my demise. Wishing my bout with cancer would be terminal, or those who knew of my Heart attacks....actually posted their Wishes, and Dreams that I would suffer a fatal heart attack. Just to silence me from exposing them to the TRUTH.
They are the sickness in this nation. And sadly. Nearly all of them are Admitted Obama fans.

[logroller]

LR that IS liberal tolerance. I have exerienced it many times for the last 40 years - starting with my Social Studies teacher in HS

I am sure you remember Virgil and his "get well wishes" to me during my cancer treatments
Well I've been trying for almost two years to get you to quit maligning the good concept of being truly liberal in its classical sense; but now that understand your stubborn ass beat the big C-- I guess that stubbornness has served you well. :smileyflag:

[red states rule]

Well I've been trying for almost two years to get you to quit maligning the good concept of being truly liberal in its classical sense; but now that understand your stubborn ass beat the big C-- I guess that stubbornness has served you well. :smileyflag:

I do not consider you a liberal LR. You come across as a "middle of the roader". I have never had an issue with you. Hell, I even rep some of you of your posts

However, if you consider yourself a liberal that is a good thing. The step on the road to recovery is admit you have a problem:laugh2:

[red states rule]

red states rule. At another place like this forum, at another time in the not too distant past. I also had other people who sounded just like this fellow you are talking about who HOPED, and some even PRAYED for my demise. Wishing my bout with cancer would be terminal, or those who knew of my Heart attacks....actually posted their Wishes, and Dreams that I would suffer a fatal heart attack. Just to silence me from exposing them to the TRUTH.
They are the sickness in this nation. And sadly. Nearly all of them are Admitted Obama fans.

From one cancer survivor to another :salute:

[aboutime]

From one cancer survivor to another :salute:


Thank you fellow Survivor. SIX Years and counting. Just to make Liberals even madder than before.

I owe it to FIVE little people who call me POP.

This is also why I am no longer fearful of anyone who threatens me in any way with their tired, false accusations.
I have a HIGHER POWER working for me, watching over me. And we both know. After reading, and listening to Obama fans. GOD really does have a great sense of HUMOR.

[red states rule]

Thank you fellow Survivor. SIX Years and counting. Just to make Liberals even madder than before.

I owe it to FIVE little people who call me POP.

For me. my last treatment was on July 3, 2006

I have quit smoking (went over to E-cigs) and I am feeling great

Much to the dismay of ol Virgil

[Voted4Reagan]

If you expect tolerance in a secondary school, you haven't been in school nature. Kids at that stage are naturally judgmental.

Nice to see that V4R responded to bullying by bullying his teacher. I suppose the "Nanny State" was in vogue back in 1980 as well. :rolleyes:

oh... so you'll make excuses and say that the teacher had every right to do what she did...

and my father was a Marine... he told us to stick up for ourselves when ever we were challenged. I consider coming back at the teacher to be defending my right to wear a shirt that was harmful to nobody, whose message was not hateful, violent or sexual in Nature.

The Teacher exceeded her authority and possibly violated my 1st amendment rights. almost all the teachers that year carried on about Carter and hoping he'd win...they even wore buttons on their clothing during school!

Gabby... you're as far from IMPARTIAL as they come on this....because you are part of the problem. well hear this Gabby... The tide is turning and governments are fighting back now against overreaching teachers unions that seek to INDOCTRINATE rather then EDUCATE.

The days of the UFT are numbered.... the end cant come soon enough.

[logroller]

I do not consider you a liberal LR. You come across as a "middle of the roader". I have never had an issue with you. Hell, I even rep some of you of your posts

However, if you consider yourself a liberal that is a good thing. The step on the road to recovery is admit you have a problem:laugh2:
We tactfully disagree, but our mutual respect is deserved.I'm a classical liberal~ libertarian. I cant stand that the elitists among the democrats have commandeered the term liberal so effectively that now conservatives refer to them as such-- that's been my point all along.

The democrats might as well be called the bandwagon party IMO. Seriously, you wanna know why Obama was so stoic during the debate... because when you don't actually have a platform to stand on, you're just an observer.

[Noir]

Here's an example of another time a student wearing a shirt, which was for Jesus, and Noir only heard one side and supported the removal of the shirt:

Tis in this thread - http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?35018-HS-Student-accused-of-hate-speech-for-Jesus-shirt

And 2 more semi-related:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?33325-Teen-suspended-over-Confederate-flag-shirt-mom-says-school-is-wrong
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?27670-Students-Kicked-Off-Campus-for-Wearing-American-Flag-Tees

I didnot support the removal of the short at all =/ all I said in that thread (which you posted) was that the statement on the shirt (without Jesus your life is meaningless) is wrong.

And looking through the other two threads (briefly) I dont even think I made a post in either of them =/

IMO people should be able to wear whatever they want, and be prepared to have the piss taken out of them of what they wear is in anyway political or worthy of piss takery.

[red states rule]

We tactfully disagree, but our mutual respect is deserved.I'm a classical liberal~ libertarian. I cant stand that the elitists among the democrats have commandeered the term liberal so effectively that now conservatives refer to them as such-- that's been my point all along.

The democrats might as well be called the bandwagon party IMO. Seriously, you wanna know why Obama was so stoic during the debate... because when you don't actually have a platform to stand on, you're just an observer.

LR when I talk about liberal, this is a classic example of the type of person I am referring to

(and you do NOT fit the description)


http://youtu.be/N6K7PfNJUEI

[mundame]

From one cancer survivor to another :salute:


Congrats to you both! And best wishes.

[Thunderknuckles]

Damn, Schultz is CRAAAZZZYY.
How is he even still on the air?
How is that man not locked up in a padded room yet?

[red states rule]

Congrats to you both! And best wishes.


Thank you

As the late great Lou Albano once said

"I'm hell when I'm well and I ain't never sick"

[red states rule]

Damn, Schultz is CRAAAZZZYY.
How is he even still on the air?
How is that man not locked up in a padded room yet?

Ed is not crazy. He is showing off his liberal tolerance and civility

Yes, he still has his radio show and show on MSNBC

Of course the combined number of listeners/viewers is perhaps slightly more then a packed movie theater- but he is held in high esteem in the liberal media

[mundame]

oh... so you'll make excuses and say that the teacher had every right to do what she did...

and my father was a Marine... he told us to stick up for ourselves when ever we were challenged. I consider coming back at the teacher to be defending my right to wear a shirt that was harmful to nobody, whose message was not hateful, violent or sexual in Nature.

The Teacher exceeded her authority and possibly violated my 1st amendment rights. almost all the teachers that year carried on about Carter and hoping he'd win...they even wore buttons on their clothing during school!





I agree with you (and your father!) -- it's best not to let people get away with this sort of thing, if they do it just grows and grows, like Nazism, which it closely resembles.

A lot of people think the bitter politics now is the worst ever, but your post made me remember that Carter/Reagan election, and in a long life I'd say that was the worst ever. Leftists were absolutely FRANTIC, and bullied everyone night and day furiously, constantly, I never saw anything like it. Conservatives just shut right up, I know I did! First time in my life I refused to say who I would vote for, it was just too much heat!

And that led to the weird election result, that Reagan won by a landslide that seemed to come out of NOWHERE, and I have always thought that this was because everyone planning to vote for Reagan just shut up and didn't talk about it, so the polls were all wrong.

And then Reagan ended up being the best president probably of the 20th century; goes to show something, I'm not sure what.

[aboutime]

Congrats to you both! And best wishes.


Thanks very much. And the same back at you.

Get your physical exams. Don't play hero, or ignore the strange events you body is advertising.

You, your family, and friends will be GLAD YOU DID.

[red states rule]

I agree with you (and your father!) -- it's best not to let people get away with this sort of thing, if they do it just grows and grows, like Nazism, which it closely resembles.

A lot of people think the bitter politics now is the worst ever, but your post made me remember that Carter/Reagan election, and in a long life I'd say that was the worst ever. Leftists were absolutely FRANTIC, and bullied everyone night and day furiously, constantly, I never saw anything like it. Conservatives just shut right up, I know I did! First time in my life I refused to say who I would vote for, it was just too much heat!

And that led to the weird election result, that Reagan won by a landslide that seemed to come out of NOWHERE, and I have always thought that this was because everyone planning to vote for Reagan just shut up and didn't talk about it, so the polls were all wrong.

And then Reagan ended up being the best president probably of the 20th century; goes to show something, I'm not sure what.

Why would anyone want to vote for Carter in 1980? We had a terrible economy, and serious problems overseas. High unemployment, soaring gas prices, and people sat in gas lines

Almost like we have right now. We do have Carter 2.0 in the White House right now

[mundame]

Why would anyone want to vote for Carter in 1980? We had a terrible economy, and serious problems overseas. High unemployment, soaring gas prices, and people sat in gas lines




Very true! And everybody knows that about that time, now. I guess it wasn't as clear to some when we were right in the middle of it. I have never seen such bitter hate and mockery and slander EVER before or after, even now, as came from the Carter side. I was married into a university environment at that time, which was pretty awful, but the post about the schoolteacher misbehaving reminded me this kind of thing was all over, this kind of terrible behavior and bullying.

I wonder if that is when the country started to go south, to split, to separate as we see now. The Carter administration events were just such a national catastrophe -- OPEC, the Iran hostages, the terrible stagflation, we were poor as churchmice, no raises in years -- we see it now, but then the leftists were so frantically afraid of Reagan they somehow talked themselves into thinking they wanted Carter again.

You are right, that really was strange. ANY change would have been better.

[red states rule]

Very true! And everybody knows that about that time, now. I guess it wasn't as clear to some when we were right in the middle of it. I have never seen such bitter hate and mockery and slander EVER before or after, even now, as came from the Carter side. I was married into a university environment at that time, which was pretty awful, but the post about the schoolteacher misbehaving reminded me this kind of thing was all over, this kind of terrible behavior and bullying.

I wonder if that is when the country started to go south, to split, to separate as we see now. The Carter administration events were just such a national catastrophe -- OPEC, the Iran hostages, the terrible stagflation, we were poor as churchmice, no raises in years -- we see it now, but then the leftists were so frantically afraid of Reagan they somehow talked themselves into thinking they wanted Carter again.

You are right, that really was strange. ANY change would have been better.

a national catastrophe - just like Obama is

[Noir]

About "jokes" ---

It's only, ever, a joke if both parties are laughing. If one party is sneering and the other party is not laughing -- and that seems to be what happened here, as in most bullying -- then it's not a joke.

People are always saying about their own bullying, "I was joking and you can't take a joke!" That lets them bully and mock and at the same time get in an EXTRA dig by claiming the mistreated person doesn't have a sense of humor.

The only answer to so-called jokes like this is to tell the people they need to tell funnier jokes; jokes someone besides themselves want to laugh at.

Mocking isn't joking.

Exactly, now maybe the teacher was trying deliberately to insult and degrade the student, if so, hopefully that will come out and the teacher will be punished.

But maybe the student was just sensitive to a few jokes, which if she hadn't been sensitive too, they would of just been jokes. Which begs the question 'at what point does telling unfunny jokes become bullying' which is a mine-field of grey thinking and subjectivity.

[red states rule]

Exactly, now maybe the teacher was trying deliberately to insult and degrade the student, if so, hopefully that will come out and the teacher will be punished.

But maybe the student was just sensitive to a few jokes, which if she hadn't been sensitive too, they would of just been jokes. Which begs the question 'at what point does telling unfunny jokes become bullying' which is a mine-field of grey thinking and subjectivity.

For some reason libs have no sense of humor. Hell, they voted for Obama that taht proves they can take a joke

But now they more thin skinned then Obama

[mundame]

Exactly, now maybe the teacher was trying deliberately to insult and degrade the student, if so, hopefully that will come out and the teacher will be punished.

But maybe the student was just sensitive to a few jokes, which if she hadn't been sensitive too, they would of just been jokes. Which begs the question 'at what point does telling unfunny jokes become bullying' which is a mine-field of grey thinking and subjectivity.



I think that was very well said.

[jimnyc]

I didnot support the removal of the short at all =/ all I said in that thread (which you posted) was that the statement on the shirt (without Jesus your life is meaningless) is wrong.

And looking through the other two threads (briefly) I dont even think I made a post in either of them =/

IMO people should be able to wear whatever they want, and be prepared to have the piss taken out of them of what they wear is in anyway political or worthy of piss takery.

Yep, fair enough. I made one comment, then followed it up with a few links, and should have noted that you didn't even participate in the other two. My apologies for making it seem worse than it was. It just seemed to me that "some" support the removal of shirts for some reasons, and not for others. Other than for something like porno or cussing - I think ALL should be allowed if ONE is allowed - or NONE should be allowed. Picking a political side, a nationality side or a religious side is just plain 'ol wrong. Then again, I take that partially back, as I think taking the American side should be quite fine, so long as we are talking about American schools. I'm tired of Americans in American schools (and other places) having rights/privileges taken away for fear of insulting non-Americans. I would expect the exact same thing in other countries too, for their home country of course.

[Abbey Marie]

Another reason why students in our schools are not allowed to wear shirts with any printed messages or logos on them. Outside of school shirts.
Faculty and staff are bound by the same restrictions, in addition to the requirement to "dress professional."

In a country so deeply divided by partisan politics, how can anyone expect to wear a political endorsement and expect not to cause a stir?

We caused a stir in the 1770's and the 1960's, too. It's called free speech. I love how we tell everyone how important it is to vote, but when a youngster shows interest in politics, it's a bad thing.

Here's what I would absolutely LOVE to see happen here: The teacher should be forced to go to Sensitivity training for several weeks. :laugh:

[Abbey Marie]

About "jokes" ---

It's only, ever, a joke if both parties are laughing. If one party is sneering and the other party is not laughing -- and that seems to be what happened here, as in most bullying -- then it's not a joke.

People are always saying about their own bullying, "I was joking and you can't take a joke!" That lets them bully and mock and at the same time get in an EXTRA dig by claiming the mistreated person doesn't have a sense of humor.

The only answer to so-called jokes like this is to tell the people they need to tell funnier jokes; jokes someone besides themselves want to laugh at.

Mocking isn't joking.

I'm not a real fan of how we are making just about any insult or joke practically a criminal offense these days. Too much restriction of speech for my liking. I do feel, though, that a teacher has a lot of power and influence, and to mock a student, especially in front of the class, is a whole different and much worse thing.

[red states rule]

We caused a stir in the 1770's and the 1960's, too. It's called free speech. I love how we tell everyone how important it is to vote, but when a youngster shows interest in politics, it's a bad thing.

Here's what I would absolutley LOVE to see happen here: The teacher should be forced to go to Sensitivity training for several weeks. :laugh:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eavcMkhQAEU/UFh7_ahyP3I/AAAAAAAAazY/UszPcoRenLg/s640/training+memorial.jpg

[SassyLady]

Exactly, now maybe the teacher was trying deliberately to insult and degrade the student, if so, hopefully that will come out and the teacher will be punished.

But maybe the student was just sensitive to a few jokes, which if she hadn't been sensitive too, they would of just been jokes. Which begs the question 'at what point does telling unfunny jokes become bullying' which is a mine-field of grey thinking and subjectivity.

A teacher should never make a student the "butt" of a joke.....even if that student has a great sense of humor. I'm appalled that you think it's OK for a teacher to make jokes about something a student is wearing....knowing that the other kids will jump on it. Talk about inciting bad behavior.

[SassyLady]

We caused a stir in the 1770's and the 1960's, too. It's called free speech. I love how we tell everyone how important it is to vote, but when a youngster shows interest in politics, it's a bad thing.

Here's what I would absolutely LOVE to see happen here: The teacher should be forced to go to Sensitivity training for several weeks. :laugh:

Aren't those taught by liberals? :laugh:

[Abbey Marie]

Aren't those taught by liberals? :laugh:

Yup, that's why I would love to see her go through it.:laugh2:

[007]

This kind of thing has happened before, a ten year old in California described himself as a republican, his teacher called him a racist and refused to teach him.
the school district supported the teacher!

[Noir]

A teacher should never make a student the "butt" of a joke.....even if that student has a great sense of humor. I'm appalled that you think it's OK for a teacher to make jokes about something a student is wearing....knowing that the other kids will jump on it. Talk about inciting bad behavior.

What a boring place my school would of been if the teachers didn't take the piss along with the students. IMO its more a case of students (selectively) feeling disrespected or some vague notion of 'they have no right to make a joke about me' nonsense, which they then carry on outside of school life.

School should prepare you for life, and in life *lots* of people are going to be making you the butt of jokes, some you'll find funny, others you won't. You can't have a mindset that when you don't find it funny you can go moan about your rights and how you should be respected etc.

Again i must note that this is only in regards to jokes that may or may not be found funny by all, and not in regards to intentional malicious bullying and such.

[Noir]

This kind of thing has happened before, a ten year old in California described himself as a republican, his teacher called him a racist and refused to teach him.
the school district supported the teacher!

A ten year old child, with fiscal, and social philosophical ideals?
I wish i could of had a talk with him at the time.

[DragonStryk72]

Schools shouldn't be politically neutral. No I didn't make a typo, but there is caveat to that. Schools, especially high schools, are supposed to teach you how to interact in our country. Politics, especially the election of the President of the country, is a huge part of our culture.

What schools need to teach in this regards, and are not currently with crap like this, is that it's okay to disagree, even to disagree passionately, and that we can still comport ourselves with dignity despite our differences. To shy away from politics is to give them undue status, but to try and make your politics the law of the land is immoral from a teacher. There is a better way.

[krisy]

Funny how "we weren't there" or "we only heard one side of the story" on this one. But back when kids were outright told to take shirts off that had the American flag on them, and they didn't want to upset Mexicans and other nationalities, it was the right thing to do.

JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly what I was thinking. Isn' that double standard curious? :rolleyes:

[SassyLady]

What a boring place my school would of been if the teachers didn't take the piss along with the students. IMO its more a case of students (selectively) feeling disrespected or some vague notion of 'they have no right to make a joke about me' nonsense, which they then carry on outside of school life.

School should prepare you for life, and in life *lots* of people are going to be making you the butt of jokes, some you'll find funny, others you won't. You can't have a mindset that when you don't find it funny you can go moan about your rights and how you should be respected etc.

Again i must note that this is only in regards to jokes that may or may not be found funny by all, and not in regards to intentional malicious bullying and such.

I guess that's the difference in generations ... we didn't go to school to be entertained. We went to school to learn ..... what we learned was how to respect each other and it started with respecting our teachers and the teachers respecting us. Perhaps you found learning boring, but I didn't.

I will say, however, that we had a very strict dress code .... no one was allowed to wear T-shirts to school, so there was no political billboard so to speak.

I do not ever remember being the "butt of jokes" in my life......probably because I didn't really care what people said about me. When you come from a family that is so screwed up at home, there is nothing at school that holds a candle when it comes to level of cruelty.

A teacher telling a child that wearing a T-shirt with the name of someone she respects and supports should not be made to feel ashamed ..... which is what the teacher intended ... whether a joke or not.

And, I still cannot believe that you condone that type of behavior from a teacher towards a student.

[Noir]

I guess that's the difference in generations ... we didn't go to school to be entertained. We went to school to learn ..... what we learned was how to respect each other and it started with respecting our teachers and the teachers respecting us. Perhaps you found learning boring, but I didn't.

I didn't go to school to be entertained either, nor do I go to work to be entertained, but I still have a laugh with people at work like I did at school.

Just because entertainment isn't a primary goal doesn't mean that entertainment is detrimental. Not that I think this issue is about entertainment as such, but still.


I will say, however, that we had a very strict dress code .... no one was allowed to wear T-shirts to school, so there was no political billboard so to speak.

As did we, however, people do have mouths, which is all the political billboard anyone needs.


I do not ever remember being the "butt of jokes" in my life......probably because I didn't really care what people said about me. When you come from a family that is so screwed up at home, there is nothing at school that holds a candle when it comes to level of cruelty.

No one has ever made a joke about you? How odd, or maybe I'm the odd one idk, but I've been the butt of countless jokes (plenty enough on this very forum!). But I mean especially at school...


A teacher telling a child that wearing a T-shirt with the name of someone she respects and supports should not be made to feel ashamed ..... which is what the teacher intended ... whether a joke or not.

And, I still cannot believe that you condone that type of behavior from a teacher towards a student.

I had plenty enough teachers who wanted me to 'feel ashamed' of supporting my quiff...except they weren't, they were just joking, because that does make a difference, much as you may say it does not.

If the students feels shame because of jokes, she is the problem. If the teacher was being deliberately malicious, then he is the problem. I thought it was all rather simple.

[SassyLady]

I didn't go to school to be entertained either, nor do I go to work to be entertained, but I still have a laugh with people at work like I did at school.

Just because entertainment isn't a primary goal doesn't mean that entertainment is detrimental. Not that I think this issue is about entertainment as such, but still.



As did we, however, people do have mouths, which is all the political billboard anyone needs.



No one has ever made a joke about you? How odd, or maybe I'm the odd one idk, but I've been the butt of countless jokes (plenty enough on this very forum!). But I mean especially at school...



I had plenty enough teachers who wanted me to 'feel ashamed' of supporting my quiff...except they weren't, they were just joking, because that does make a difference, much as you may say it does not.

If the students feels shame because of jokes, she is the problem. If the teacher was being deliberately malicious, then he is the problem. I thought it was all rather simple.

I don't know, Noir. I don't think you be arguing so passionately if the teacher had bullied a student who was wearing an atheist t-shirt. Somehow, I think you would have been offended. However, because this was a student wearing a Romney t-shirt, you think it was all a joke made at the student's expense and that the student and parents should just "laugh" it off.

I do get that too many people are easily offended these days and shouldn't let it get to them. Perhaps the joke was on the teacher....perhaps the student knew that the teach would go ballistic. Now who's bullying who?

In all honesty, I believe the student wanted to show her support for a political figure, just as young children all over America have been showing their support of Obama ..... and the teacher was just a tad too much of a progressive "intolerant" liberal to applaud a child who is involved enough to want to tell the world.

Liberals want the world to be tolerant of their "progressive" ideology, however, they are the most intolerant of all.

[red states rule]

Liberals are so tolerant, respectful of others, and so loving



http://youtu.be/gkQoJA8CcSg

[Noir]

I don't know, Noir. I don't think you be arguing so passionately if the teacher had bullied a student who was wearing an atheist t-shirt. Somehow, I think you would have been offended. However, because this was a student wearing a Romney t-shirt, you think it was all a joke made at the student's expense and that the student and parents should just "laugh" it off.

Yep, you really don't know. Especially if the athirst t-shirt says something stupid like 'God doesn't exist, fact.' Then they're just begging for someone to say something at their expense, hopefully witty.
As for the latter half of the paragraph (because it was a Romney shirt I assume it was a joke) I have never said it *was* a joke. Rather - that we don't know if it was a joke or not. We have no context of the tone of the statements, or previous history between that teacher and other students etc.


I do get that too many people are easily offended these days and shouldn't let it get to them. Perhaps the joke was on the teacher....perhaps the student knew that the teach would go ballistic. Now who's bullying who?

...are you trying to say you can bully someone by wearing a t-shirt that supports a politician you know someone disagrees with? I wouldn't consider that bullying =/
In any case of the teacher went ballistic at the sight of a shirt they should be punished.


In all honesty, I believe the student wanted to show her support for a political figure, just as young children all over America have been showing their support of Obama ..... and the teacher was just a tad too much of a progressive "intolerant" liberal to applaud a child who is involved enough to want to tell the world.

Liberals want the world to be tolerant of their "progressive" ideology, however, they are the most intolerant of all.

That's fine - believe that as you wish. But IMO you are making a lot of assumptions about the teacher an the student from literally two dozens single sentences in the OP.

[red states rule]

Aren't those taught by liberals? :laugh:


Yep, you really don't know. Especially if the athirst t-shirt says something stupid like 'God doesn't exist, fact.' Then they're just begging for someone to say something at their expense, hopefully witty.
As for the latter half of the paragraph (because it was a Romney shirt I assume it was a joke) I have never said it *was* a joke. Rather - that we don't know if it was a joke or not. We have no context of the tone of the statements, or previous history between that teacher and other students etc.



...are you trying to say you can bully someone by wearing a t-shirt that supports a politician you know someone disagrees with? I wouldn't consider that bullying =/
In any case of the teacher went ballistic at the sight of a shirt they should be punished.



That's fine - believe that as you wish. But IMO you are making a lot of assumptions about the teacher an the student from literally two dozens single sentences in the OP.

Noir, from my personal experience and dealing with libs - they wake up pissed off. They go throught heir day pissed off. They go to sleep pissed off.

They go through life looking for things to be offened by. Right now they are highly offened by anything pro Romney and any thing they consider a religious symbol.

As Christmas comes closer your frindly neighborhood atheist assholes will target anything promoting Merry Christmas and the birth of Christ. Just as they do every year

[Noir]

Noir, from my personal experience and dealing with libs - they wake up pissed off. They go throught heir day pissed off. They go to sleep pissed off.

They go through life looking for things to be offened by. Right now they are highly offened by anything pro Romney and any thing they consider a religious symbol.

As Christmas comes closer your frindly neighborhood atheist assholes will target anything promoting Merry Christmas and the birth of Christ. Just as they do every year

Ofcourse, how stupid of me, the teacher in question was a liberal. In which case I don't need to hear any more detail, context, or personal history, surrounding this story. Nor do I need to be cautious over drawing judgement about what happened, because now i know what happened.
The teacher -being liberal- let out a barbaric verbal salvo at the poor child. Unbound by his left leaning philosophy he sought only what comes naturally to him - to lead a class of blood thirsty guttersnipes into the weeping misery of a wounded white lamb, to pick the still warm flesh of her morality wounded soul, as her dignity limped out of the classroom gasping, weak, helpless.

[red states rule]

Ofcourse, how stupid of me, the teacher in question was a liberal. In which case I don't need to hear any more detail, context, or personal history, surrounding this story. Nor do I need to be cautious over drawing judgement about what happened, because now i know what happened.
The teacher -being liberal- let out a barbaric verbal salvo at the poor child. Unbound by his left leaning philosophy he sought only what comes naturally to him - to lead a class of blood thirsty guttersnipes into the weeping misery of a wounded white lamb, to pick the still warm flesh of her morality wounded soul, as her dignity limped out of the classroom gasping, weak, helpless.

NOt stupid Noir - being a liberal yourself you must find some way to dismiss the unprofessional conduct of your fellow libs. You also are ignoring the links I posted showing libs have been doing this for over ten years as well as openly admitting they will not tolerate conservatives in their world

Being a young, and somewhat immature lib, you also post the usual over the top BS in a feeble attemot to try and not discuss the issue at hand. Which is what I have experienced with libs for over 40 years

[logroller]

Schools shouldn't be politically neutral. No I didn't make a typo, but there is caveat to that. Schools, especially high schools, are supposed to teach you how to interact in our country. Politics, especially the election of the President of the country, is a huge part of our culture.

What schools need to teach in this regards, and are not currently with crap like this, is that it's okay to disagree, even to disagree passionately, and that we can still comport ourselves with dignity despite our differences. To shy away from politics is to give them undue status, but to try and make your politics the law of the land is immoral from a teacher. There is a better way.
It was a math class. I suppose if the joking we're in regards to the electoral college system or some other math related concept, I'd Agree with you. If, as it were, a joke or insult upon the candidacy more generally (outside of a government class, or even history) I'd say its just not germane to class discussion.

[red states rule]

It was a math class. I suppose if the joking we're in regards to the electoral college system or some other math related concept, I'd Agree with you. If, as it were, a joke or insult upon the candidacy more generally (outside of a government class, or even history) I'd say its just not germane to class discussion.

The last thing the left wants to happen is to have logic, reason, and objectivity intrude on their liberal indoctrination sessions

[logroller]

The last thing the left wants to happen is to have logic, reason, and objectivity intrude on their liberal indoctrination sessions
I'm just saying that if a teacher's telling jokes to their students I think they need to be related to th subject at hand.

[red states rule]

I'm just saying that if a teacher's telling jokes to their students I think they need to be related to th subject at hand.


School has changed alot since I was attened. LR in 1976 I was in my Social Studies class and the teacher was late getting in

There was road work going on outside and the windows were wide open and the smell of tar was very strong

The teacher walked in and said "I smell something terrible"

I said "Yea, you sould use deodorant"

The class erupted with laughter and he just gave me the WTF look.

He was a liberal and I rather enjoyed taking that shot

Those were the good ol' days LR

[Abbey Marie]

Update. Looks like people are losing it:


Angered by a teenager's claims of being humiliated by a teacher over a Romney/Ryan T-shirt, students at Charles Carroll High School ignored warnings from administrators and shouted obscenities out school windows at the girl's parents Friday morning.
Samantha Pawlucy had accused her geometry teacher of humiliating her for wearing the shirt, and stayed out of school after saying she learned students had made threats against her. To calm the situation, district officials addressed students Friday, urging them to leave Pawlucy alone.
Minutes later, some students were heckling Pawlucy's parents, shouting obscenities at them
...

Gaymon (teacher) reportedly was not in school Friday. Samantha Pawlucy and her parents said Gaymon apologized during a meeting Monday but they questioned her sincerity. Gaymon maintained that she had been joking, the family said, and that Samantha should have known that.
Gaymon could not be reached for comment. A member of her household said a death threat against her was among several other threatening phone calls received by Friday evening.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20121006_Students_heckle_parents_of_Philadelphia_t een_over_T-shirt_incident.html

[red states rule]

Update. Looks like people are losing it:


Looks like we have many future SEIU employees and MSNBC hosts attending that school Abbey

[taft2012]

If it had been my child who had this happen to them....I'd have my lawyer dropping off the papers for a lawsuit the next day...

No you wouldn't.

You'd say; "Oh well, rules are rules. I'm sure they're being enforced fairly and evenly."

Then you'd make a complete jackass of yourself running around pointing out others violating the rules, yet still insisting it's "all fair" when the kids on the other side aren't disciplined.

We've seen you in action.

[red states rule]

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/unionized-teachers-cant-add-or-subtract-rally-funny-graphic.jpg

[logroller]

School has changed alot since I was attened. LR in 1976 I was in my Social Studies class and the teacher was late getting in

There was road work going on outside and the windows were wide open and the smell of tar was very strong

The teacher walked in and said "I smell something terrible"

I said "Yea, you sould use deodorant"

The class erupted with laughter and he just gave me the WTF look.

He was a liberal and I rather enjoyed taking that shot

Those were the good ol' days LR

Taking snide pot shots at liberals rsr...I'd say the good times aren't really over.

[Kathianne]

Update. Looks like people are losing it:

There's another article that sheds some light on the teacher, she graduated university in 2006 and seems to have made a huge error with this incident. Her aunts offered up some quotes that strike me as sensible, one seemingly a teacher or retired one. She pointed out the problems her niece got herself into:

1. pointing out the t-shirt
2. mentioning the kkk

She also offered up that her niece would be willing to walk with the girl into school on Tuesday, to bring some calm to a racially divided school. This sort of talk sounds right to me:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20121007_More_threats_alleged_in_shirt_flap.html


Posted: Sun, Oct. 7, 2012, 3:01 AM
Another threat alleged over shirt Relatives of the teacher accused of humiliating a student said she had received ominous calls. By Jonathan Lai
Inquirer Staff Writer


The first call came Friday evening, tinged with racist hate.


"Watch your back, (racist slur). I'mma blow your (profanity) brains out," one of Lynette Gaymon's aunts said Saturday.


Gaymon, a geometry teacher at Charles Carroll High School in Port Richmond, has been accused of humiliating a student who wore a pink Romney/Ryan T-shirt on "dress-down" day Sept. 28.


After the story drew media attention last week, the teacher's aunts said, she stayed out of school and took refuge with friends.


On Friday, harassing phone calls began to come in, they said.


Gaymon lives with two of her aunts in Philadelphia; one of them said that she picked up the phone and heard a death threat around 6 p.m. Friday and that after that, they stopped answering the phone. The calls continued, with several callers leaving messages, before the women unplugged the phone, they said.


They agreed to be interviewed, but, because of the alleged threat, asked that they not be identified...


Gaymon told her aunts Wednesday about the incident after realizing it was more controversial than she at first thought.


She told them she left school on the day of the incident believing her students, including Pawlucy, knew she had been joking...



When Pawlucy's parents dropped off complaint forms at the school Friday, some students shouted obscenities at them from the windows.


Gaymon's aunts said she appreciated the support but wasn't happy with the divisive anger.


"Lynn's really hurting about Samantha. She's really, really hurting for that child," one of them said. "Do what Lynn would want, what she always wants her kids to do: Come to school. Do your homework. Be on time. Be respectful."


She said Gaymon had expressed willingness to walk into the school with Pawlucy if that would help calm the situation...


With the calls to their house and the harassment of the Pawlucys, the two women said, things have gotten out of control. Both expressed a desire to see both sides come together in a face-to-face meeting and settle things.
"Fair and square for everyone. How can this be rectified?" one aunt said. "I do believe that this still can be a done deal."


She said that when Gaymon told them about what happened, she knew her niece had made a mistake, albeit an honest one.


"I told her, 'There were two things that you did wrong,' " she said. "I said: 'One, you pinpointed the shirt. The second thing was to use the KKK.' "


She said her 28 years of experience teaching in New York City had taught her, "You have to be very careful what you say and how you say it, especially when it comes to a child. . . . The fact remains, in the classroom, you are the adult." ...

[Voted4Reagan]

No you wouldn't.

You'd say; "Oh well, rules are rules. I'm sure they're being enforced fairly and evenly."

Then you'd make a complete jackass of yourself running around pointing out others violating the rules, yet still insisting it's "all fair" when the kids on the other side aren't disciplined.

We've seen you in action.

Taft... i'll say it again... if you want to have a Bitchfest... bring it in PM... if not... grow the hell up and ignore me...

[gabosaurus]

Childishness appears to have taken over this topic. Like so many others.

[Kathianne]

Childishness appears to have taken over this topic. Like so many others.

Really? I thought Abbey's and my own posts were pretty informative.

[gabosaurus]

Really? I thought Abbey's and my own posts were pretty informative.

I wasn't referring to you and Abbey. You two had some outstanding posts and very helpful links.
I referring to the children, who enjoy wrecking pretty much every DP thread with their hateful squabbling.

[Kathianne]

I wasn't referring to you and Abbey. You two had some outstanding posts and very helpful links.
I referring to the children, who enjoy wrecking pretty much every DP thread with their hateful squabbling.

I find it best to ignore them, in that mode. LOL!

[DragonStryk72]

Ofcourse, how stupid of me, the teacher in question was a liberal. In which case I don't need to hear any more detail, context, or personal history, surrounding this story. Nor do I need to be cautious over drawing judgement about what happened, because now i know what happened.
The teacher -being liberal- let out a barbaric verbal salvo at the poor child. Unbound by his left leaning philosophy he sought only what comes naturally to him - to lead a class of blood thirsty guttersnipes into the weeping misery of a wounded white lamb, to pick the still warm flesh of her morality wounded soul, as her dignity limped out of the classroom gasping, weak, helpless.

lol, okay, I laughed. Yeah, a lot of people don't know how to separate. The thing is, though, in this context, the teacher made a serious blunder in losing a teachable moment, whether it was a liberal teacher doing this or a conservative teacher doing this, they still failed in the most basic part of a teacher's job: She refused the chance for a lesson.

There were so many options for something to teach in that moment, and she denied them all.

[gabosaurus]

lol, okay, I laughed. Yeah, a lot of people don't know how to separate. The thing is, though, in this context, the teacher made a serious blunder in losing a teachable moment, whether it was a liberal teacher doing this or a conservative teacher doing this, they still failed in the most basic part of a teacher's job: She refused the chance for a lesson.

There were so many options for something to teach in that moment, and she denied them all.

I totally agree with you here. That is why I have been following this closely. Many of my co-workers agree that this was a lost opportunity.
But it also reinforces my belief that schools are not the proper forum for politics.
Look at it like this: We have been trying for years to convince kids that schools are not the proper venue for gang activity. Schools need to be a neutral ground where everyone can feel safe. You wouldn't believe how many kids in the inner city avoid schools because they don't want to walk through a rival gang's turf.
How can we back up our talk if we allow partisan politics into schools? When you look at it, Democrats and Republicans are two rival gangs that dislike each other. Affiliation with one or the other can be cause for strife and conflict.
Dems and GOP are no better than the Crips and Bloods in trusting and understanding each other. Which is why schools ban open affiliation with any of them.

[logroller]

I totally agree with you here. That is why I have been following this closely. Many of my co-workers agree that this was a lost opportunity.
But it also reinforces my belief that schools are not the proper forum for politics.
Look at it like this: We have been trying for years to convince kids that schools are not the proper venue for gang activity. Schools need to be a neutral ground where everyone can feel safe. You wouldn't believe how many kids in the inner city avoid schools because they don't want to walk through a rival gang's turf.
How can we back up our talk if we allow partisan politics into schools? When you look at it, Democrats and Republicans are two rival gangs that dislike each other. Affiliation with one or the other can be cause for strife and conflict.
Dems and GOP are no better than the Crips and Bloods in trusting and understanding each other. Which is why schools ban open affiliation with any of them.

Right, because criminal gangs and political parties are totally the same thing. :rolleyes:

Nice try though.

[DragonStryk72]

I totally agree with you here. That is why I have been following this closely. Many of my co-workers agree that this was a lost opportunity.
But it also reinforces my belief that schools are not the proper forum for politics.
Look at it like this: We have been trying for years to convince kids that schools are not the proper venue for gang activity. Schools need to be a neutral ground where everyone can feel safe. You wouldn't believe how many kids in the inner city avoid schools because they don't want to walk through a rival gang's turf.
How can we back up our talk if we allow partisan politics into schools? When you look at it, Democrats and Republicans are two rival gangs that dislike each other. Affiliation with one or the other can be cause for strife and conflict.
Dems and GOP are no better than the Crips and Bloods in trusting and understanding each other. Which is why schools ban open affiliation with any of them.

The problem is that you don't see the forest for the trees. There will always be gangs, there will always be cliques, there will always be this group or that that does not like another group. Sweeping it into the shadows teaches nothing, least of all tolerance and expansion of our culture. We don't teach kids how to argue with one another without making it personal, or how to agree to disagree. We teach them to throw it away, to avoid all things that smack of conflict, but the world is conflict, always has been, and always will be.

By robbing these kids of the ability to learn how to respectfully disagree, schools unintentionally undermine the very tolerance of others they desperately want to teach. Meanwhile, the students take the hit, and they feel like they're being slapped down for their belief, and well, it's not like the teachers are gonna stop being in charge, so the aggravation goes elsewhere, so if there's target of convenience they'll take it.

How do you teach children to accept opinions other than their own, when the entire education system repeatedly keeps from expressing opinions other than its own opinion?

[Kathianne]

When it comes to politics, I think the school staff/teachers should remain out of it as far as the kids go. Nearly all high schools have 'mock elections' encouraging students to argue and vote for the candidate they support, some middle schools do too. Seems to me that students have a right to wear partisan clothing if they choose, as long as doesn't interfere with handbook rules.

However, teachers advocating? No. While principles of our government, constitution are something that can fit into nearly any classroom, the partisan hasn't a place. In any reasonably run school, it's only in social studies classroom that one should run into bulletin board election info, then it should be even handed. Bumper stickers for one? The other should also be displayed. Item per iterm. Principles may be discussed, but a candidate? No.

[taft2012]

Taft... i'll say it again... if you want to have a Bitchfest... bring it in PM... if not... grow the hell up and ignore me...

Awww, poor baby. Why not take your lame complaints to SMAC and see if they can help you.

[red states rule]

Taking snide pot shots at liberals rsr...I'd say the good times aren't really over.

Thanks for clearing things up LR

Liberal teachers make jokes while conservative students take snide pot shots

[007]

The teacher, a typical intolerant fanatical liberal totalitarian should be fired and have her teaching license revoked.
using humiliation, threat or violence to force a child to believe what you believe is wrong.
this teacher is in Americal, typical of all fanatical liberal totalitarians!

[red states rule]

When it comes to politics, I think the school staff/teachers should remain out of it as far as the kids go. Nearly all high schools have 'mock elections' encouraging students to argue and vote for the candidate they support, some middle schools do too. Seems to me that students have a right to wear partisan clothing if they choose, as long as doesn't interfere with handbook rules.

However, teachers advocating? No. While principles of our government, constitution are something that can fit into nearly any classroom, the partisan hasn't a place. In any reasonably run school, it's only in social studies classroom that one should run into bulletin board election info, then it should be even handed. Bumper stickers for one? The other should also be displayed. Item per iterm. Principles may be discussed, but a candidate? No.

The problem is Kat with so many of the teachers are liberals they now feel confortable teaching their political opinions as facts. That was what I had to deal with when I was in school and it has not changed in the last 35 years


The only difference is, the teachers (like the liberal media) no longer try to hide their bias and openly show contempt toward their conservative students

[007]

The union expects this from their members!

Got to silence the opposition, by any possible meens!

mockery, abuse, humiliation, violence!

what ever works!!

[red states rule]

The union expects this from their members!

Got to silence the opposition, by any possible meens!

mockery, abuse, humiliation, violence!

what ever works!!


The party of tolerance aways welcomes the open enxchange of ideas - as long as everyone agrees with the liberal talking points of the day

[mundame]

The problem is Kat with so many of the teachers are liberals they now feel confortable teaching their political opinions as facts. That was what I had to deal with when I was in school and it has not changed in the last 35 years


The only difference is, the teachers (like the liberal media) no longer try to hide their bias and openly show contempt toward their conservative students



This kind of behavior by bad and morally destitute teachers is exactly why so many families have pulled out of the public school system and are either home-schooling or sending their children to private schools.

[007]

This kind of behavior by bad and morally destitute teachers is exactly why so many families have pulled out of the public school system and are either home-schooling or sending their children to private schools.
Public school is no longer a place of learning, it is a liberal indoctrination facility.

unionised teachers are driving this indoc with their fanatical liberal totalitarian ideas!

[Abbey Marie]

Taft... i'll say it again... if you want to have a Bitchfest... bring it in PM... if not... grow the hell up and ignore me...

That would be preferable.

[Kathianne]

The problem is Kat with so many of the teachers are liberals they now feel confortable teaching their political opinions as facts. That was what I had to deal with when I was in school and it has not changed in the last 35 years


The only difference is, the teachers (like the liberal media) no longer try to hide their bias and openly show contempt toward their conservative students

I'm in schools every day and have been for over 16 years now. Not seeing it. Does it happen? Indeed, we read about the incidents in the papers, see those involved on the news. If it was common, wouldn't be newsworthy.

[Kathianne]

I totally agree with you here. That is why I have been following this closely. Many of my co-workers agree that this was a lost opportunity.
But it also reinforces my belief that schools are not the proper forum for politics.
Look at it like this: We have been trying for years to convince kids that schools are not the proper venue for gang activity. Schools need to be a neutral ground where everyone can feel safe. You wouldn't believe how many kids in the inner city avoid schools because they don't want to walk through a rival gang's turf.
How can we back up our talk if we allow partisan politics into schools? When you look at it, Democrats and Republicans are two rival gangs that dislike each other. Affiliation with one or the other can be cause for strife and conflict.
Dems and GOP are no better than the Crips and Bloods in trusting and understanding each other. Which is why schools ban open affiliation with any of them.

I disagree, students should be allowed, even encouraged openly to state their opinions and begin the process of listening and evaluating critically. The most difficult thing is to keep the teachers opinions on candidates out of it. One can certainly encourage students thinking of principles, ideas, and issues, but the teachers personal ideas need to be kept out.

However, math class and many others are not the place for debates or discussions on politics. Period.

[logroller]

Thanks for clearing things up LR

Liberal teachers make jokes while conservative students take snide pot shots
Unless you think the smell of asphalt is a ideological platform, you're liberal teacher wasn't taking a pot shot nor making a joke anymore than the student in the op wore the shirt as a joke. Your rimshot one liner was a cruel joke at the teacher's expense; nothing more, nothing less;the issue in the op has no bearing beyond snide humor being a benchmark of adolescent behavior-- to which, as your 'those were the good ol' days' remark would suggest, the time and experience inherent to maturity precludes adults from engaging in such.

Just to clear things up, I roundly condemned the teacher in the op as unbecoming of an educated professional--show me where I implied otherwise...but nice try at muddying the issue.

[Noir]

What State did you grow up in RSR? I assume it was a reasonably liberal one for the time, cus like all the stories my dad has of acting up in school result in him getting whipped across the hands with a wick, I can't imagine it would have been much different in the states.

[aboutime]

I disagree, students should be allowed, even encouraged openly to state their opinions and begin the process of listening and evaluating critically. The most difficult thing is to keep the teachers opinions on candidates out of it. One can certainly encourage students thinking of principles, ideas, and issues, but the teachers personal ideas need to be kept out.

However, math class and many others are not the place for debates or discussions on politics. Period.


Sounds to me as if Gabby would also go along with the Censorship of Books she disagree's with as well.
Children who are old enough, and capable enough to begin forming their OWN opinions NEED to be able to Discuss Political views IN SCHOOL.
If our Teachers were permitted to teach HISTORY, or what many of us once called SOCIAL STUDIES. Political discussions would be a primary topic of discussion.
Ruling politics out of the classroom...UNLESS the topic is acceptable to the Teacher is next to Communistic. SOUND FAMILIAR Union members?

[gabosaurus]

I disagree, students should be allowed, even encouraged openly to state their opinions and begin the process of listening and evaluating critically. The most difficult thing is to keep the teachers opinions on candidates out of it. One can certainly encourage students thinking of principles, ideas, and issues, but the teachers personal ideas need to be kept out.

However, math class and many others are not the place for debates or discussions on politics. Period.

Not sure how it is now, but when I was in high school, we learned the election process using students instead of the real politicians. Each government class elected two people to run as president and vice president. They had to develop a platform and go through debate. I found it more effective since you could identify with the people running. On Election Day in November, we had an election.

Our school also had a mock Congress. When I was a senior, I was the Senate leader. My best friend was Speaker of the House. We made back room deals with our cronies and bribed undecided members with home made cookies. Twas very educational. :cool:

[Kathianne]

Not sure how it is now, but when I was in high school, we learned the election process using students instead of the real politicians. Each government class elected two people to run as president and vice president. They had to develop a platform and go through debate. I found it more effective since you could identify with the people running. On Election Day in November, we had an election.

Our school also had a mock Congress. When I was a senior, I was the Senate leader. My best friend was Speaker of the House. We made back room deals with our cronies and bribed undecided members with home made cookies. Twas very educational. :cool:

I sub at 4 different high schools and 5 middle schools. Everyone of them will be holding mock presidential elections in the next 2 weeks. Especially in the middle schools, the votes overwhelmingly reflect discussions at home, including not wanting to vote.

High schools are a bit different, underclassmen follow their parents or possibly the candidate they feel is most popular. Upperclassmen are beginning to consider their own preferences based on where they perceive the candidates stand on issues most important to them.

Voting for classmates? Seems like student council, not mock elections.

[Kathianne]

I sub at 4 different high schools and 5 middle schools. Everyone of them will be holding mock presidential elections in the next 2 weeks. Especially in the middle schools, the votes overwhelmingly reflect discussions at home, including not wanting to vote.

High schools are a bit different, underclassmen follow their parents or possibly the candidate they feel is most popular. Upperclassmen are beginning to consider their own preferences based on where they perceive the candidates stand on issues most important to them.

Voting for classmates? Seems like student council, not mock elections.

Looked online for some examples, I like the following one. Could easily be a collaborative effort between social studies and language arts. It takes time to prepare kids for debates.

http://www.mosesbrown.org/podium/default.aspx?t=204&tn=Mock-Presidential+debate+comes+to+MB&nid=656464&ptid=133114&sdb=False&pf=pgt&mode=0&vcm=False

[red states rule]

Unless you think the smell of asphalt is a ideological platform, you're liberal teacher wasn't taking a pot shot nor making a joke anymore than the student in the op wore the shirt as a joke. Your rimshot one liner was a cruel joke at the teacher's expense; nothing more, nothing less;the issue in the op has no bearing beyond snide humor being a benchmark of adolescent behavior-- to which, as your 'those were the good ol' days' remark would suggest, the time and experience inherent to maturity precludes adults from engaging in such.

Just to clear things up, I roundly condemned the teacher in the op as unbecoming of an educated professional--show me where I implied otherwise...but nice try at muddying the issue.

LR, in his SS class this teacher took many shots at me for speaking up and trying to refute his liberal beliefs as fact

In fact on many occassions he said Hitler was a right winger, and how I should not be so intolerant

Of course that is standard talking points for liberals and in every case the bell rang to end the period or he changed the subject

I saw recently he did his 30 plus years and retired. He is now a foot solider for the local Dem party

No surprise there

and you touched on the main differecne between libs and conservatives. Conservatives grew out of our adolescence - something libs have yet to acieve

[red states rule]

I'm in schools every day and have been for over 16 years now. Not seeing it. Does it happen? Indeed, we read about the incidents in the papers, see those involved on the news. If it was common, wouldn't be newsworthy.


Kat we have to agree to disagree. I am sure it happens constanltly. Like Fast and Furious, the liberal media knows about it but will not report it as it does not fit their agenda.

In the cases that do make it in the liberal media, it is when the student has a recording or other proof

[Kathianne]

Kat we have to agree to disagree. I am sure it happens constanltly. Like Fast and Furious, the liberal media knows about it but will not report it as it does not fit their agenda.

In the cases that do make it in the liberal media, it is when the student has a recording or other proof

We'll disagree on this. The example currently involved with the OP, no table, nothing but the girl's accounting of what happened. The teacher basically agrees with the story from the sound of it. She called it a joke. Seems the aunt corrected her on what's funny.

[red states rule]

We'll disagree on this. The example currently involved with the OP, no table, nothing but the girl's accounting of what happened. The teacher basically agrees with the story from the sound of it. She called it a joke. Seems the aunt corrected her on what's funny.

But on the other hand we have teachers making kids sing Obama songs, liberal profesors admitting they do not want conservatives in their class or employed at their college, and teachers screaming at students who do not support Obama

It may not be a common everyday occurance, but I beleive it happens more then we know

[Kathianne]

But on the other hand we have teachers making kids sing Obama songs, liberal profesors admitting they do not want conservatives in their class or employed at their college, and teachers screaming at students who do not support Obama

It may not be a common everyday occurance, but I beleive it happens more then we know

That Obama song stuff, was 2008 and I heavily criticized teachers for making their personal preferences known, as well as a campaign attempting to use the schools that way.

[red states rule]

That Obama song stuff, was 2008 and I heavily criticized teachers for making their personal preferences known, as well as a campaign attempting to use the schools that way.

I have no doubt you would NEVER push your personal views as fact in the classroom nor would you go after a student who had different views

I am saying there are many liberal teachers who do push their views in the classroom. I personally experienced it and it has gone on for the last 35 years since I was in school