I take my stand, you?

[Jeff]

Here ya have it, the group that some don't support but do agree with their beliefs :rolleyes:



Remember that group of Islamic terrorists that everyone was hashtagging about a few weeks back? Yeah, I know Obama-induced ADD (http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/suffering-obama-induced-add/). Well, let me remind you, the nasty chaps who call themselves Boko Haram who kidnapped some 200 Nigerian girls — and FLOTUS and Hollywood types went on social media about? Ok, now you remember.
Well, everyone was REALLY mad at these varmints but no one did anything about it — like, kill them.
So out of boredom, they decided to do something else violent and horrific. According to a report in Slate (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/06/05/boko_haram_attack_disguised_as_soldiers_militant_g roup_kills_hundreds_of.html), “While dressed as members of the Nigerian army, Boko Haram militants rounded up and killed more than 200 civilians in at least three villages in northeastern Nigeria earlier this week. Community leaders who escaped the massacre said the militants lied to the villagers telling them they were there to protect them.”





http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/boko-haram-keeps-killing-civilians-world-keeps-doingnothing/

[aboutime]

Here ya have it, the group that some don't support but do agree with their beliefs :rolleyes:





http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/boko-haram-keeps-killing-civilians-world-keeps-doingnothing/


Jeff. What I believe is a JOINT problem with this is. Both EDUCATION, and COURAGE.

And the "LACK" of both in almost every case.

People are desperate to learn, but kept in the dark when it comes to actual Knowledge.
And, Large numbers of Human beings live in FEAR, that not agreeing with Terrorists (like Muslim Radicalism) could be Dangerous to their life.

Almost like Americans who voted for OBAMA because they feared being labeled RACIST if they didn't vote for, and support him...MERELY, because of the color of his skin.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.
And I AM STICKING TO IT.

[Jeff]

This is a long video ( a hour and 3 mins ) and I have to be honest it is so graphic I only made it 15 minutes into it, but it shows how peaceful the religion of peace is. Yes they show many killings and some they show 3 or 4 times trying to drive it home, which honestly once was enough. I know I will be told this didn't come from a good site ( only the Muslim times reports accurately :laugh: ) and seriously I am sure there is some truth to that, but the video is a hour long horror film so unless these are all paid actors.... You have to wonder why most of the countries that are in complete turmoil ( killing are a everyday thing ) are Muslim .

So grab some popcorn ( and a bucket just in case ) and enjoy the religion of peace.



WARNING: Several parts are too graphic to watch, but this is essential to understand what we’re up against. No one is safe. THIS is what Islam is about. Are there Muslims who do not believe in killing infidels? Yes, but they are not following the Quran, and they too will be slaughtered by these murdering Muslims.
We need to take the fight to these Muslim animals before they get a chance to behead every innocent American they get their hands on. This clash of civilizations is the modern-day WW III. Like our grandfathers fought the Germans and Japanese, we need to fight radical Muslims in every part of the world. If we don’t, we will suffer at their hands.
WAKE UP AMERICA and get your head out of the sand. We need to win an epic battle against Islamists.





http://clashdaily.com/2014/06/brutal-religion-peace-video-will-conquer-believe-allah-alone/

[aboutime]

This is a long video ( a hour and 3 mins ) and I have to be honest it is so graphic I only made it 15 minutes into it, but it shows how peaceful the religion of peace is. Yes they show many killings and some they show 3 or 4 times trying to drive it home, which honestly once was enough. I know I will be told this didn't come from a good site ( only the Muslim times reports accurately :laugh: ) and seriously I am sure there is some truth to that, but the video is a hour long horror film so unless these are all paid actors.... You have to wonder why most of the countries that are in complete turmoil ( killing are a everyday thing ) are Muslim .

So grab some popcorn ( and a bucket just in case ) and enjoy the religion of peace.





http://clashdaily.com/2014/06/brutal-religion-peace-video-will-conquer-believe-allah-alone/


Jeff. It is scary stuff, without a doubt. But we should also recognize. Those people are still living in the 7th century, and have no concept of modern life because they have been kept down, and prevented from making changes like the rest of the World.
I do wonder if they have any concept of what a Modern day DRONE is, or what it can do; as compared to their BEHEADING PARTIES where nobody wins???

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is a long video ( a hour and 3 mins ) and I have to be honest it is so graphic I only made it 15 minutes into it, but it shows how peaceful the religion of peace is. Yes they show many killings and some they show 3 or 4 times trying to drive it home, which honestly once was enough. I know I will be told this didn't come from a good site ( only the Muslim times reports accurately :laugh: ) and seriously I am sure there is some truth to that, but the video is a hour long horror film so unless these are all paid actors.... You have to wonder why most of the countries that are in complete turmoil ( killing are a everyday thing ) are Muslim .

So grab some popcorn ( and a bucket just in case ) and enjoy the religion of peace.





http://clashdaily.com/2014/06/brutal-religion-peace-video-will-conquer-believe-allah-alone/

I dare any son of a bitch alive to watch that video then stand in my yard an tell me all those ffukking vermin should not be executed by any and every means possible! For should any man do that, I swear I'll stomp his mmtherf\ukiing ass to within an inch of his miserable worthless life!!!
That is a sworn oath or else I'll die trying!!!--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Welcome aboard!!!!!!!
I've been waiting on you guys....--Tyr

:beer: :salute: :beer:, :dance:

[red state]

Well, I'm relived............they have pulled the video. I was headed for bed when I saw this and I truly need my sleep so it's a good thing that I didn't see anything that would have kept me up.

I'm sure it is something I've seen before and that truly (literally) turned my stomach. I still see and remember the sounds of those beheaded a couple years ago. I still see the MANY photos of women who have been blinded and disfigured by American and World-wide muSLUMs who had thrown acid on these women. Folks, it is FAR too predominant within this filthy culture/cult and it is also widely evident that the so-called REAL muSLUMs do nothing to stop it. In fact, more times than not, they PRAISE the evils of the "few" terrorists.

Just take that poor child that jaFART posted on the beach...........my first thoughts was that this child had been victimized to simply make a photo shoot for their propaganda machine. They learned well from the days of HILTLER. Does anyone remember who all were in support of the Nazi Party? I do and much of our problem TODAY is in our forgetfulness of YESTERYEAR!!!

[red state]

I dare any son of a bitch alive to watch that video then stand in my yard an tell me all those ffukking vermin should not be executed by any and every means possible! For should any man do that, I swear I'll stomp his mmtherf\ukiing ass to within an inch of his miserable worthless life!!!
That is a sworn oath or else I'll die trying!!!--Tyr


Tyr, violence never solved anything............remember (as the liberals so often remind us) that CHRISTIANS are to turn the other cheek. I had you there for a minute, didn't I, old buddy?! HA!!!:coffee:

[Gunny]

Who's the wimp justifying people that murder children? Really? I like this thread. Let's play, raghead.

Do you have ANY idea what it smells like when you drop from a 46 into a bunch of burning bodies you weren't expecting? No, you don't. You're an after the fact loser on the internet. Got e-balls and not much else. Ever seen a bunch of grown Marines cry?

They didn't name that place "The Mile of Death" for no reason. We just called it payback. And we had very few prisoners.

Now, you want to keep running your little raghead ass mouth?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Who's the wimp justifying people that murder children? Really? I like this thread. Let's play, raghead.

Do you have ANY idea what it smells like when you drop from a 46 into a bunch of burning bodies you weren't expecting? No, you don't. You're an after the fact loser on the internet. Got e-balls and not much else. Ever seen a bunch of grown Marines cry?

They didn't name that place "The Mile of Death" for no reason. We just called it payback. And we had very few prisoners.

Now, you want to keep running your little raghead ass mouth?

Several were here at the start of this very long thread. I believe now only a couple here still hoping to justify the cowardly acts of the Muslims.
Jafar for sure and another that likes to do it "on the sly" my friend.
Glad you like this thread amigo . -Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ?


`Yes...Islam is a Cult...and not a Religion...Real Religions have evolved...For anyone to think otherwise, they are not familiar with Islam or cults. There is a big difference between religions and cults. The basic difference is freedom. You are free to practice a religion if you choose. Free to go to church. Free not to go. This is not the case with Islam. This is because those who do not practice Islam in Islamic countries are put to death. There is a great deal of pressure to practice Islam in western countries as well.


A cult isolates you from others. One of the first things a cult leader does is to get the cult members away from those who do not share beliefs of the cult. Cult members are often driven away from family members. The purpose is to make the cult member more dependent on the cult. This is how Islam works. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult. Islam teaches that those who do not follow Islam are enemies. Muslims are discouraged from socializing with those of other faiths. The Koran states that those who do not follow Islam are enemies and should be driven off. Violence is even advocated for non believers. This is another example of why Islam is not a religion. Islam is a cult.


Another aspect about cults is that they get followers to do things that disturb others to force their cult on others. Most cult members are brainwashed so that they are totally under control by the cult. This is the reason why so many Muslims are willing to strap on a suicide vest and blow themselves up to take out as many non believers as possible. Regular religions do not advocate this type of violence or behavior. While a religion may ask that you give yourself to God, they do not ask that you do so wearing a suicide vest while killing innocent people. Or learn to fly a plane into buildings so that you can take out as many innocent lives as possible. No religion in the world advocates violence in the way that Islam does.

**Those who defend Islam and make comparisons to Christianity, namely the crusades, do not realize that during the Crusades, that happened many centuries ago, it was convert or die. Again, this did not happen a few years ago, but in a time when people also killed the infirm and used leeches as a form of medicine. And people were given a choice to convert. This is not the case with Islam. You do not have a choice. Suicide bombers and terrorists kill all targets without issuing a choice of conversion. Even their own. Islam requires total and unquestioning devotion to the cult, to the point where women and children are encouraged to die as martyrs and kill innocents. Islam is a cult.

It is hard to realize that Islam is not a religion because for years, we were told it was. An offshoot of Judaism and Christianity with all three religions being closely related. But as Islam has grown, its true colors have come out. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult`

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

`Yes...Islam is a Cult...and not a Religion...Real Religions have evolved...For anyone to think otherwise, they are not familiar with Islam or cults. There is a big difference between religions and cults. The basic difference is freedom. You are free to practice a religion if you choose. Free to go to church. Free not to go. This is not the case with Islam. This is because those who do not practice Islam in Islamic countries are put to death. There is a great deal of pressure to practice Islam in western countries as well.


A cult isolates you from others. One of the first things a cult leader does is to get the cult members away from those who do not share beliefs of the cult. Cult members are often driven away from family members. The purpose is to make the cult member more dependent on the cult. This is how Islam works. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult. Islam teaches that those who do not follow Islam are enemies. Muslims are discouraged from socializing with those of other faiths. The Koran states that those who do not follow Islam are enemies and should be driven off. Violence is even advocated for non believers. This is another example of why Islam is not a religion. Islam is a cult.


Another aspect about cults is that they get followers to do things that disturb others to force their cult on others. Most cult members are brainwashed so that they are totally under control by the cult. This is the reason why so many Muslims are willing to strap on a suicide vest and blow themselves up to take out as many non believers as possible. Regular religions do not advocate this type of violence or behavior. While a religion may ask that you give yourself to God, they do not ask that you do so wearing a suicide vest while killing innocent people. Or learn to fly a plane into buildings so that you can take out as many innocent lives as possible. No religion in the world advocates violence in the way that Islam does.

**Those who defend Islam and make comparisons to Christianity, namely the crusades, do not realize that during the Crusades, that happened many centuries ago, it was convert or die. Again, this did not happen a few years ago, but in a time when people also killed the infirm and used leeches as a form of medicine. And people were given a choice to convert. This is not the case with Islam. You do not have a choice. Suicide bombers and terrorists kill all targets without issuing a choice of conversion. Even their own. Islam requires total and unquestioning devotion to the cult, to the point where women and children are encouraged to die as martyrs and kill innocents. Islam is a cult.

It is hard to realize that Islam is not a religion because for years, we were told it was. An offshoot of Judaism and Christianity with all three religions being closely related. But as Islam has grown, its true colors have come out. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult`



There is no freedom in Islam and it allows it in no others when it can enforce that murdering creed!
They are on the move worldwide and our nation --government refuses to openly tell us , to educate the populace instead it covers for them with crap like "workplace violence" terms and giving out its only the "radicals" when its a core uncompromising part of Islam-Jihad--the holiest cause to die for Allah , to slay infidels .
Sorry just now saw your very fine post --I've been distracted while talking to a child elsewhere .. ;)-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Allah is #1, says this Religion of Peace enthusiast, who went
on to behead a female co-worker in Oklahoma last week.
His prophet did not generally behead women, however.
Muhammad (peace be upon him) usually raped them
after beheading their men and enslaving their children.


Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29


2014.10.01 (Homs, Syria) - Several children are among over thirty souls obliterated when Sunnis set off two bombs near a Shiite school and hospital.
2014.10.01 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Eight people are pulled into pieces by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2014.09.30 (Kobane, Syria) - Three women are among nine Kurds beheaded by the caliphate, which places the heads on display.
2014.09.29 (Michika, Nigeria) - At least forty people, including children and elderly, are reported dead following a 'merciless' Boko Haram attack on two small villages.
2014.09.29 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - A Shahid suicide bomber takes out seven civilians.
2014.09.28 (al-Baida, Yemen) - A Shiite family of six is exterminated by Ansar al-Sharia. The numbers again...

30+8+9+40+7+6= 100 murdered innocent people.
Religion of Pieces strikes yet again..
I am confident that such could never happen here. O' wait a minute it just did....
Lady had her head cut completely off ......
O' wait, sorry that was "workplace violence" I see, government says so. No worries, be happy. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.examiner.com/article/police-captain-punished-for-refusing-to-attend-muslim-brotherhood-linked-mosque

Police captain punished for refusing to attend Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque

October 13, 2014
10:13 PM MST

The city of Tulsa, Oklahoma, punished one of its own veteran police commanders for his refusal to attend a Muslim religious service being held at a mosque he said practiced radical Islamic dogma, according to court records. He also "dared" to refuse to order his officers to visit a mosque he alleges has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.


Capt. Fields' life became a raging storm simply because he refused to visit a mosque that allegedly has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Capt. Fields' life became a raging storm simply because he refused to visit a mosque that allegedly has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Courtesy of the Tulsa FOP

Captain Paul Fields said he was told to participate in what he characterized as a "proselytizing" Islamic worship service and that he must also order the police officers under his command to also attend and participate in the service. As a result he was relieved of his command and was harassed by the Internal Affairs Division (IAD), a group called the "rat squad" by most American cops in a majority of law enforcement agencies.

"Once some IAD squad begins to investigate you, even if you have an immaculate record as a cop, they dig until they find something that they can point to as being misconduct or corruption," said former police detective Sid Franes, who worked with a former IAD lieutenant in New York. "In Fields' case it appears they were claiming he was prejudiced against Muslims and he wasn't fit to lead police officers," Franes added.

When Fields took legal action against his police department, it ended up before the federal judges who sat on the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals and the court upheld the punishment of Capt. Fields. In essence the court ruled that the decorated cop should have visited the mosque and brought his officers with him as he was ordered to do by the city's political leaders.

"Here is another example of lawyers wearing black robes telling Americans what church services they must attend. Would they have ruled this way if it were a Muslim being ordered to attend and participate in a religious service at a Hindu temple? Or at a Catholic Cathedral? I think not," notes former police lieutenant and campus police chief Lloyd Herrington. "Fields was part of an object lesson to follow a politically-correct orthodoxy that's taking over the nation and its public and private sector institutions," Herrington said.

Now Capt. Fields, with the help of a legal foundation that fights for constitutional rights, especially First Amendment rights, is aiming to take his legal battle to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Thomas Moore Law Center is providing Fields with pro-bono legal help in fighting not only a major city police department but also a federal court that has "lost its way" with a warped understanding of the U.S. Constitution and America values

The law center's lead counsel, Richard Thompson, said in a statement: “This case is another startling example of applying a double standard when Christian civil rights are involved. If this were a Catholic or Protestant prayer event, I am positive no Muslim police officer would have been ordered to attend. Further, no federal court would have approved the punishment of a Muslim officer had he refused to attend.”

The Muslim event was characterized as the mosque's Law Enforcement Appreciation Day, but it allegedly had nothing to do with appreciation of police officers. According to Fields' attorneys, Law Enforcement Appreciation Day involved the captain and his officers taking a tour of the mosque, attending a meeting with the mosque's leadership, attending the Muslim's weekly prayer service, acquainting the police officers with Islamic religious reading material, and lectures on Islamic beliefs.

The event, which was scheduled for Friday, March 4, 2011, which the Islamic leaders said was a "holy day," was also going to familiarize the cops with a white-washed version of Mohammad's life as well as key elements of the Muslim religion and prayers. Originally, the police officers were asked to attend voluntarily, but the majority of officers refused the invitation. At that point the police were mandated to show up at the mosque.

According to Thomas More attorneys and Capt. Fields, the mosque's clerics were clever in hiding their suspected radical-brand of Islam. For example, according to the law center, the same Muslim leaders had hosted a dinner to honor one of unindicted Imam Siraj Wahhaj co-conspirators involved in the 1993 bombing in New York City at the lower-level of the World Trade Center, that killed six people and injured many others.

Fields and his legal team possess evidence that the same Siraj Wahhaj told Muslims in New Jersey in 1992, that he wished Muslims were cleverer politically so they could take over the United States and replace its Representative-Republic government with a caliphate and Shariah law...................................

Think this man would be so very severely punished for refusing to attend a Christian church???
They are going to create a --"muslim card" to play just like the blacks have that false "race card" to play....
This is Obama's America folks, just like many of us stated was coming after the scum was sworn in.
This is the standard now being set... Obama leads the way... check NASA FOR THAT ....

I stated this was coming here in my thread titled , I Take My Stand, You---- I posted here 3 years ago.


http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?36912-I-take-my-stand-you

NOW WE SEE VERY CLEAR EVIDENCE OF IT AS I PREDICTED.-Tyr

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From my new thread here in the Current Events forum..

So obvious this examples clearly points to the validity of this extremely long thread ...
Time proves things either right or wrong ..
We can now see the proof of my opening post in this thread and how on the mark it was..-Tyr

[indago]

Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ?

How about we outlaw ALL religions?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

How about we outlaw ALL religions?
Islam is a cult pretending to be a religion. It is quasi/political/military /"religious"
ideology THAT wears a false cloak while it brainwashes hundreds of millions into believing
Allah spoke to his favorite pervert child molester(Mohamboy) giving divine decrees to follow.
Namely, murder non-believers or else convert/enslave them.




http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html

•Tears of Jihad. He claims that Islam is the greatest killer of all time, worse than Christianity, fascism or communism.


•Bill Warner interview, Feb 2007 (and copy) ◦ "First, let's see how ignorant we are about the history of political Islam. How many Christians can tell you how Turkey or Egypt became Islamic? What happened to the Seven Churches of Asia mentioned in Paul's letters? Find a Jew who can tell you the Jewish history of dhimmitude (second class citizens who serve Islam). What European knows that white women were the highest priced slaves in Mecca? Everyone knows how many Jews Hitler killed, but find an unbeliever who can tell you how many died in jihad over the last 1400 years."
◦ "Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest. Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed. The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great's army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the practical result of pacifism. Zoroastrianism was eliminated from Persia. The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam. In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad. Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school."

Approximately 270 million humans murdered. Yet other sources state as low as 240 million murdered by Islam.

Islam is now set to get nukes (Iran) how many millions more??????
Think about it America, your president is one of them.. He is helping Iran get nukes. A fact.

---------------------------------------------
HOW ABOUT WE TARGET THE RIGHT ONE!--Tyr

[aboutime]

How about we outlaw ALL religions?


Great idea. Then....STUPIDITY will rule, for certain.

[DLT]

How about we outlaw ALL religions?


Why? It is a basic human right to be able to 'believe' as you choose. Any religion that does not preach to its followers that lying and killing infidels or non-believers is fine and dandy should be no problem to anyone. When it goes too far and becomes, not a religion, but a political movement and a means to control the masses, then it's not technically a "religion".

Christianity does not teach followers that they should lie to any non-Christians, because it's justified by God. It does not teach that Christians should go out and murder any infidels/non-believers. Quite the opposite, in fact.

So what would the point of outlawing Christianity be? Other than handing the planet over to the evil aholes that are even now, as we speak, turning the world into one big cesspool (or trying to).

Just my two cents.

Oh....and welcome to the forum.:)

[aboutime]

How about we outlaw ALL religions?


Who decides what IS, or ISN'T a religion? Athiests?

If non-believers fear something they INSIST, does not exist. What would be a reason to outlaw anything they call religion...if it doesn't exist in the first place?

So. What would be the logic in outlawing something some people claim...ISN'T?

[BoogyMan]

You can't ask people who are not patriots to come up with a patriotic plan.
You can't ask people with no sense of sanity to come up with a sane response.
You can't ask people who favor violent revenge to come up with a plan to answer violence.

This from the person here who belongs to the party that hosts people who would kidnap and torture radio personalities because they disagree with them. (http://www.westernjournalism.com/nsfw-left-wing-tolerance-dealers-totally-contradict-racist-fantasies-torturing-rush-limbaugh/)

This from the person whose party wants to silence political speech on the Internet. (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dems-on-fec-move-to-regulate-internet-campaigns-blogs-drudge/article/2555270)

This from the person whose party tried to radically change the 1st amendment so that free speech is at the whim of congress. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/the-democrats-assault-on-free-speech-110641_Page2.html#.VEwacvnF914)

This from the person whose party forced through legislation to take over health care in America based on nothing but lies and deception.

Gabs, careful where you toss those rocks.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Currently Obama operates directly against the best interests of this nation in the majority of actions he takes. After spearheading the disaster now called Obamacare, he has repeatedly used Executive Orders to go around Congress to do things that Are Illegal and definitely not part of his Presidential duties. They are instead his personal political desires that he twists the authority of his office to institute.
That is treason, not mere political hijinks or ineptness.....

He should be impeached and tried for his treason!!!!!!! --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Our nations 7 top threats, not presented in any order of importance or magnitude.

1. Obama/Globalist agenda/New World Order
2. Islam
3. The Democrat Party
4. Illegal immigration/Amnesty
5. Totally inept Liberal/socialist styled Education System
6. Sold out media
7. Foreign nations, Russia, Iran, China, etc...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Read the opening to this thread and then look at this current situation-link provided.
Seems my critics three years ago didn't have a clue and I was dead on the mark..



http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/muslim-caucus-says-islam-commands-all-muslims-to-vote-in-a-bloc/

Muslim Caucus in Washington Says Islam Commands All Muslims to Vote in a Bloc

October 31, 2014 by Daniel Greenfield

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


A little taste of the Islamization of America.




Well that’s good news for democracy. You can see why Democrats want more Muslim immigrants. What’s better than a choice between a bloc vote and a beheading?


The endorsements are flying ahead of next week’s D.C. general election, but only one group’s have come with a religious edict.

That would be the endorsements of the D.C. Muslim Caucus, a group that is backing the Democratic nominees in the races on the D.C. ballot, plus independent at-large council candidate Elissa Silverman and two candidates in nonpartisan State Board of Education races. It is also urging a vote against Initiative 71, which would legalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana.

What sets the Muslim Caucus apart isn’t the candidates it is backing but this sentence in the Monday news release announcing those endorsements: “According to Islamic tenets, Muslims participating in democratic elections are obligated to vote as a bloc based upon a consensus of the Muslim community.”

Asked about that exhortation, Muslim Caucus spokesman Talib Karim offered two publications he said supported the view that followers of Islam should vote en bloc for favored candidates. One is a statement adopted by a council of Islamic legal scholars at a 2007 meeting of the Muslim World League in Mecca…

No need to worry about Islamic Sharia law coming to America. I doubt the Washington Post would have written this up if they hadn’t called for voting against legal pot. It must be tough for liberals to choose between marijuana and political correctness.


ALL in just three short years folks...

ALL vote as a bloc and that vote goes to the Dems..
There is that unwritten alliance I spoke of long ago... --Tyr

[red state]

Tyr, as you well know......the Germans had such an alliance (as well as one they planned to use) but, instead, they got used AND ABUSED before it was all said and done.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr, as you well know......the Germans had such an alliance (as well as one they planned to use) but, instead, they got used AND ABUSED before it was all said and done.

Out future as a nation will soon see its greatest test ever. How we choose to meet that test will determine its survival.
That test will erupt from internal division. And could very likely be during Obama term and from his deeds or even later but ,trust me, his foundation he is laying shall cause or allow it to eventually bear rotten fruit; for he is a destroyer--it is what he lives for--his hatred of the Western civilization , America, Israel and ALL we infidels (NON-MUSLIMS).
I see him for exactly what he is..... Piss on anybody that does not , says this man.. --Tyr

[red state]

Yeah...THEY are my (this Nation's) enemy #1 cuz THEY (not a OBL or a million muslums) are the ones who can, will and ARE causing the fall of this once GREAT Christian nation.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Britain falls if... --Tyr



http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47529-Britain-falls-if&p=713867#post713867


Britain falls within a decade if it does not deport every muslim there. I mean massive deportation and no mercy!!
100 a week will soon turn into a hundred a day and they damn sure will not catch them all in time to stop them.

Check out my posts from 3,2 and 1 year ago citing this was going to happen to Britain and how fast it mushrooms after the ffing muslims get too much power in a nation.



http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...K-plots-a-week
Terror cops smash 100 UK plots a week as British fanatic issues a beheading warning

By Jerry Lawton / Published 17th October 2014


POLICE are carrying out 100 anti-terror operations- a-week in a bid to stave off Islamic State attacks in Britain, it was revealed last night.

They have prevented “several” terrorism atrocities on the UK mainland in the past 10 months and made 218 arrests.

Sixteen Brits who have returned from Syria have been charged with terrorist activity.

Specialist police internet experts have removed 51,000 ‘illegal and deeply damaging’ websites aimed at recruiting jihadists.



“Against an increasing operational tempo we are disrupting several attack plots a year”

Mark Rowley, Scotland Yard assistant commissioner

They are now shutting down 1,000 sites-a-week showing beheadings, torture and suicide bombings in a bid to lure Islamic extremists to the Middle East with the prospect of martyrdom.

Last night police revealed they were probing the disappearance of 66 people reported missing by relatives who fear they have travelled to Syria to join IS.

Intelligence agencies estimate the authorities have not been told about 500 more who have also made the trek.

Scotland Yard assistant commissioner Mark Rowley, national policing lead for counter terrorism, said he was running “exceptionally high numbers” of investigations “the likes of which we have not seen for several years”.
He added: “Against an increasing operational tempo we are disrupting several attack plots a year. These plots are of varied sophistication from individuals planning to carry out spontaneous yet deadly attacks to more complex conspiracies, almost all seemingly are either directed by or inspired by terrorism overseas.

“The volume, range and pace of counter-terrorism activity has undergone a step-change.

“Public safety is our number one priority and we will always focus our disruption activity against those posing the greatest and most imminent threat. Why? Why are they not arresting the murdering vermin when they come back into Britain there?
Arrest , imprison or execute them.. Soon the world will wake up to the cancer called Islam..............
Yet that will be only after they use their first few nukes IMHO...

[puma237]

Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts.
Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide.
Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated !
Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations..
Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life!
Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr

No link , my composition...

so there it is. the core problem that faces the world is the same as it has been for over 500 years. Christians vs Islam. while you get all busy killing to prove who's superstition is the best, you may want to remember to keep an eye on the banksters.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

so there it is. the core problem that faces the world is the same as it has been for over 500 years. Christians vs Islam. while you get all busy killing to prove who's superstition is the best, you may want to remember to keep an eye on the banksters.
No thanks. The unprovoked killing being done is by them, the murdering is being done by them. I think I will keep my eye on them.
Strange you ignore that fact and glance over it so effortlessly.
I authored another very long thread reporting the activities of these scum and if you care to dispute the truth of that thread -then go for it.
Either we deserve it and should be slaughtered or else they are the monsters. You cant have it both ways..

This is about their spreading their power and religion, bankers be damned.. Its religion not banking.
They arent murdering people because of overdrafts.. Cutting off heads because of hot checks.. -Tyr

[Drummond]

so there it is. the core problem that faces the world is the same as it has been for over 500 years. Christians vs Islam. while you get all busy killing to prove who's superstition is the best, you may want to remember to keep an eye on the banksters.

'Fascinating', this .... from your wording, do I understand that you see Christianity and Islam as 'the same' .... somehow ? And why use the word 'superstition' to describe BOTH ? Is your position one of outright dismissal of religions, just because they dare to BE such (i.e are you applying the blinkered mindset of automatic dismissal that comes from the arrogant rigidity of atheism) .. ??

On the second point ... how do you explain your existence (or anybody's) ? Is yours one of an 'I don't have any answers, so I'll reject everybody else's out of hand' philosophy ?

But on the first point .... if you really see no difference between Christianity and Islam, perhaps you can fill in some gaps in my knowledge ?

Can you supply me with, say ....

A Christian equivalent to 9/11 ?

A list of Christian terrorist groups, to rival those we hear of which follow and exist to further the cause of Islam ?

A list of Christian instances of beheadings? Come to that ....

... a list of Islamists having been captured and held by Christian terrorists, to help blackmail Nation States into not trying to stop our incursions into foreign countries ?

Does even the concept (an equivalent of it) of 'JIHAD' even so much as EXIST in Christianity ?

I could go on. But, you see my point ? Islam is savagery, determined to achieve the widest possible domination of human affairs .. but achieved through savagery and in order to implement more of the same as a 'norm' in human affairs.

Christianity is nothing of the kind, however. Christians do not seek world conquest, as Islamists do.

What's more, we do not seek genocide against Israel ......

[puma237]

'Fascinating', this .... from your wording, do I understand that you see Christianity and Islam as 'the same' .... somehow ? And why use the word 'superstition' to describe BOTH ? Is your position one of outright dismissal of religions, just because they dare to BE such (i.e are you applying the blinkered mindset of automatic dismissal that comes from the arrogant rigidity of atheism) .. ??

do I see Christianity and Islam as the same? in many ways, yes. of course there are obvious differences, but they are both faith based. I use the word superstition because it is an accurate objective description of any faith based philosophy. any dismissal, by me, of religion would not be automatic. I am a well experienced, catechized, confirmed, baptized, three times recruited to the pulpit veteran of Christianity. Therefore, not automatic, but well earned. I see that your knee jerked and caused you to spew out the word "atheism" with virtually no actual evidence to back it up. or perhaps you simply do not understand the meaning of "atheism". I have no problem with the concept of higher powers drum, it is religion that I have a righteous problem with.....not god. hopfully you do understand that religion an god are two entirely different things


On the second point ... how do you explain your existence (or anybody's) ? Is yours one of an 'I don't have any answers, so I'll reject everybody else's out of hand' philosophy ?

my corporeal existence is a breathtaking miracle. I reject nobodies philosophies until someone attempts to present theirs as the truth



But on the first point .... if you really see no difference between Christianity and Islam, perhaps you can fill in some gaps in my knowledge ?

Can you supply me with, say ....

A Christian equivalent to 9/11 ?

really? you seriously need help with that one? ok, off the top of my head: god nukes cities for partying too hard. god throws humanity out of paradise for seeking knowledge.
thousands of "witches" drowned and burned alive by Christians. the Spanish inquisition.
enough for now? I left out the crusades to attempt to avoid having to deal with Christian cognitive dissonance on the subject. not accusing you personally of this, just experience talking.

A list of Christian terrorist groups, to rival those we hear of which follow and exist to further the cause of Islam ?

other than Jesuit assassins, I would have to dig a bit.

A list of Christian instances of beheadings? Come to that ....

beheadings? not so much. equivalence? see burning and drowning above for starters.

... a list of Islamists having been captured and held by Christian terrorists, to help blackmail Nation States into not trying to stop our incursions into foreign countries ?

don't have list, but gitmo is full of em. love the mention of our incursions into foreign countries being mentioned without so much as pause to consider the cause and effect ramifications in that

Does even the concept (an equivalent of it) of 'JIHAD' even so much as EXIST in Christianity ?

the crusades.

I could go on. But, you see my point ? Islam is savagery, determined to achieve the widest possible domination of human affairs .. but achieved through savagery and in order to implement more of the same as a 'norm' in human affairs.

go burn some more witches and, I dunno, torcher and murder some Templars or something, then get back to me on the savagery thing.

Christianity is nothing of the kind, however. Christians do not seek world conquest, as Islamists do.
joke, right?

What's more, we do not seek genocide against Israel ......

just against islam.

[jimnyc]

Christians vs Islam. while you get all busy killing to prove who's superstition is the best[/B]

Speaking currently, of our lives right now, recent past.... I wouldn't say "all" - as there really only seems to be one "superstition" out there killing in astronomical numbers. There have been over 20,000 terror attacks throughout the world since 9/11. Those accounted for hundreds of thousands of deaths. Then add in deaths for apostasy and other stupid petty crimes that Islam kills for. While there may have been killing by various religions, on a larger scale, over the last 500 years or so - only ONE religious group is killing in those huge numbers AND still has no sign of slowing, only increasing. So bring in other religions, or specifically Christianity - but the facts are that Christianity doesn't even come remotely close to the killing that Islam is delivering in this day and age. So rhetoric and superstitions aside, and looking solely at facts and numbers - it's a one way killing party for Islam.

[puma237]

Speaking currently, of our lives right now, recent past.... I wouldn't say "all" - as there really only seems to be one "superstition" out there killing in astronomical numbers. There have been over 20,000 terror attacks throughout the world since 9/11. Those accounted for hundreds of thousands of deaths. Then add in deaths for apostasy and other stupid petty crimes that Islam kills for. While there may have been killing by various religions, on a larger scale, over the last 500 years or so - only ONE religious group is killing in those huge numbers AND still has no sign of slowing, only increasing. So bring in other religions, or specifically Christianity - but the facts are that Christianity doesn't even come remotely close to the killing that Islam is delivering in this day and age. So rhetoric and superstitions aside, and looking solely at facts and numbers - it's a one way killing party for Islam.

I will give you the "in this day and age" thing. but we must remember that islam is younger than Christianity and still trying hard to catch up. overall, Christians are still way ahead in blood and mayhem. but them muslims are working hard, no doubt.

[jimnyc]

I will give you the "in this day and age" thing. but we must remember that islam is younger than Christianity and still trying hard to catch up. overall, Christians are still way ahead in blood and mayhem. but them muslims are working hard, no doubt.

Lots of skeletons in all the closets. What really matters is how folks progress, and what they leave behind them. It's silly to hold them equal today - while only one group is out there creating this blood and mayhem. When such a huge percentage of Muslims are radicalized, and another huge number are killing, there's really not much to compare at all.

[LongTermGuy]

Lots of skeletons in all the closets. What really matters is how folks progress, and what they leave behind them. It's silly to hold them equal today - while only one group is out there creating this blood and mayhem. When such a huge percentage of Muslims are radicalized, and another huge number are killing, there's really not much to compare at all.


Yup agree...it is what it is...

Anyone who has a sound mind and is informed...Understands....Islam is *not like any Religion....In-fact...Islam is a cult of death and submission.... Hell ...even a dumb-ass should understand this...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I will give you the "in this day and age" thing. but we must remember that islam is younger than Christianity and still trying hard to catch up. overall, Christians are still way ahead in blood and mayhem. but them muslims are working hard, no doubt.

Source, facts and numbers please for that broad accusation. -Tyr



overall, Christians are still way ahead in blood and mayhem.

Lets compare the real numbers that are gleaned by way of historic evidence. I contend that your accusation is blatantly false!

I await your source and your numbers... ......-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Since you ignored my previous two replies to you I'll post my body count for Islam.--Tyr


http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html

May 31, 2014

The Greatest Murder Machine in History

By Mike Konrad

When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty.

The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none.


The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. -- Will Durant, as quoted on Daniel Pipes site.

Conservative estimates place the number at 80 million dead Indians.


According to some calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). -- Koenrad Elst as quoted on Daniel Pipes site

80 Million?! The conquistadors' crimes pale into insignificance at that number. No wonder Hitler admired Islam as a fighting religion. He stood in awe of Islam, whose butchery even he did not surpass.

Over 110 Million Blacks were killed by Islam.


... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the trans-Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue

Add just those two numbers alone together, and Islam has surpassed the victims of 20th-century totalitarianism. However, it does not end there. Add the millions who died at the hand of Muslims in the Sudan in our lifetime.

Much of Islamic slavery was sexual in nature, with a preference for women. Those men who were captured were castrated. The mulatto children of the women were often killed, which explains why Islam was not demographically shifted towards the black race, unlike slaves in the West, who bore children to breed a mestizo class. Add in those dead children; and we arrive at well over 200 million.

Remember that in the 7th century, North Africa was almost totally Christian. What happened to them?


By the year 750, a hundred years after the conquest of Jerusalem, at least 50 percent of the world's Christians found themselves under Muslim hegemony… Today there is no indigenous Christianity in the region [of Northwest Africa], no communities of Christians whose history can be traced to antiquity.-- "Christianity Face to Face with Islam," CERC

What happened to those Christian millions? Some converted. The rest? Lost to history.

We know that over 1 million Europeans were enslaved by Barbary Pirates. How many died is anybody's guess.


...for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000 - BBC

In the Middle Ages…


…many slaves were passed through Armenia and were castrated there to fill the Muslim demand for eunuchs. -- Slavery in Early Medieval Europe.

The same practice ran through Islamic Spain. North Europeans captured from raids up to Iceland, or purchased, were butchered in the castratoriums of Iberia. Many died from the operations that ran for centuries.

The number of dead from the Muslim conquest of the Balkans and Southern Italy is unknown, but again the numbers add up, surely into the millions over the centuries. Don't forget the 1.5 million Armenian Christians killed by the Turks during WWI. We do know that over five centuries, vast numbers of Christian boys were kidnapped to become Islamic Janissary mercenaries for the Turks. Add those in, too.

Muslims prized blonde women for their harems; and so enslaved Slavic women were purchased in the bazaars of the Crimean Caliphate. In Muslim Spain, an annual tribute of 100 Visigothic [blonde] women was required from Spain's Cantabrian coast.


For decades, 100 virgins per year were required by the Muslim rulers of Spain from the conquered population. The tribute was only stopped when the Spaniards began fighting back -- Jihad: Islam's 1,300 Year War Against Western Civilisation

Add in the death toll from the Reconquista and the numbers climb higher.

Research has shown that the Dark Ages were not caused by the Goths, who eventually assimilated and Christianized:


…the real destroyers of classical civilization were the Muslims. It was the Arab Invasions... which broke the unity of the Mediterranean world and turned the Middle Sea -- previously one of the world’s most important trading highways -- into a battleground. It was only after the appearance of Islam... that the cities of the West, which depended upon the Mediterranean trade for their survival, began to die. -- Islam Caused the Dark Ages

Add in those unknown millions who died as a consequence.

How many know the horrors of the conquest of Malaysia? The Buddhists of Thailand and Malaysia were slaughtered en masse.


When attacked and massacred by the Muslims, the Buddhists initially did not make any attempt to escape from their murderers. They accepted death with an air of fatalism and destiny. And hence they are not around today to tell their story. – History of Jihad.org

We may never know the numbers of dead.


Add this all up. The African victims. The Indian victims. The European victims. Add in the Armenian genocide. Then add in the lesser known, but no doubt quite large number of victims of Eastern Asia. Add in the jihad committed by Muslims against China, which was invaded in 651 AD. Add in the Crimean Khanate predations on the Slavs, especially their women.

Though the numbers are not clear, what is obvious is that Islam is the greatest murder machine in history bar none, possibly exceeding 250 million dead. Possibly one-third to one-half or more of all those killed by war or slavery in history can be traced to Islam; and this is just a cursory examination.

Now consider the over 125 Million women today who have been genitally mutilated for Islamic honor's sake. In spite of what apologists tell you, the practice is almost totally confined to Islamic areas.


New information from Iraqi Kurdistan raises the possibility that the problem is more prevalent in the Middle East than previously believed and that FGM is far more tied to religion than many Western academics and activists admit. – “Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem?” ME Quarterly

[Drummond]

just against islam.

Answering within my own post (as you can see) doesn't work well for replies. A fuller reply to follow fairly soon -

[puma237]

Yup agree...it is what it is...

Anyone who has a sound mind and is informed...Understands....Islam is *not like any Religion....In-fact...Islam is a cult of death and submission.... Hell ...even a dumb-ass should understand this...

and only a dumb-ass would. interesting how the 5 ton elephant in the room continues to go unnoticed. we invaded them. we stole their resources, maintain a military presence in their land and bomb the crap out of them on a regular basis. so, let us imagine that table being turned and the muslims have invaded us, bomb us and police us. your house is a burnt out rubble and half your family is dead. do you get down on your knees and pray to jehova to forgive them for their transgressions?
be honest.

[jimnyc]

and only a dumb-ass would. interesting how the 5 ton elephant in the room continues to go unnoticed. we invaded them. we stole their resources, maintain a military presence in their land and bomb the crap out of them on a regular basis. so, let us imagine that table being turned and the muslims have invaded us, bomb us and police us. your house is a burnt out rubble and half your family is dead. do you get down on your knees and pray to jehova to forgive them for their transgressions?
be honest.

NONE of that changes what Islam has been for a LONG LONG time. Islam doesn't kill because of us, or kill people because of apostasy because of us, or kill children because of insults, or kill women for crying rape, or kill infidels, or want to dominate the middle east or the entire world. You state what we did to them - did we invade EVERY Islamic country for the past 500 years? Of course not. So why are the Islamic areas that we didn't invade, identical in their actions, which is killing and destruction? And you somehow want to compare to Christianity? Or absolve them and claim it's our fault for invading? And now comes the stealing of resources, the "war for oil" crap, as prices rose more than ever before during this time.

Compare religions all you like. Lay blame all you like. NOTHING will make scum and murderers change into decent folks. Society has evolved over many years - one group of people have not, and prefer to live in a world of death and destruction. No matter how much you try, you simply cannot change the facts right in front of our faces. The 5 ton elephant would only get his head sliced off if this discussion were in an Islamic lead area.

*** Please try and refrain from using bold letters in your responses. It actually makes it more difficult to read, especially in long threads with a lot of back and forth. Thanks!

[Drummond]

and only a dumb-ass would. interesting how the 5 ton elephant in the room continues to go unnoticed. we invaded them. we stole their resources, maintain a military presence in their land and bomb the crap out of them on a regular basis. so, let us imagine that table being turned and the muslims have invaded us, bomb us and police us. your house is a burnt out rubble and half your family is dead. do you get down on your knees and pray to jehova to forgive them for their transgressions?
be honest.

Don't worry - I'll get to my intended reply to you a little later. As for the above .... I have my own answer to offer.

For starters .... the comparison you're making is ludicrous. IF (as I think you are) you're trying to go all the way back to the Crusades for the origin-point of the acrimony you're concerning yourself with ... well, how many CENTURIES does that involve ??

It's a bit like saying that all black people should, right now, form their own terrorism cells, or form their own army, to lock the US into perpetual civil war ... because they have suddenly dredged up a grudge against the slavery of the past.

As for more recent events ... the 'invasions' and 'bombings' that have happened have not been, specifically, 'pro-Christian' actions. Rather - they've been defensive actions against Islamic terrorists. Those terrorists mandated the actions which followed BECAUSE of their terrorism - as a REACTION to it.

Maybe Middle Eastern countries don't like to be bombed ! Nonetheless, the actions taken had to be, as anti-terrorist measures. And ask yourself ... how many terrorist sympathisers ARE actually what they ARE, because their RELIGION makes them such ?

Terrorism has to be neutralised. It must be defeated. Unless ....you want to confer a so-called 'right' to terrorists, to murder and destroy innocents as they see fit ??

It's not a pretty world out there, and a disgusting savagery is making its mark in the service of a religion wanting global conquest. That MUST be stopped.

One side or the other must ultimately win. If it isn't the West ... then the world has a new Dark Age in prospect. That's the simple truth of it.

[tailfins]

I take my stand every time I wipe my rear end.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Since you ignored my previous two replies to you I'll post my body count for Islam.--Tyr
Hey, muslim shill, are my replies too tough for you? You come to this thread I authored and make stupid statements, I call you on it and you run away by ignoring my replies.
Yet this is the first confrontational post Ive made to you..
So back up your damn lies or else admit you are full of shit as CHRISTMAS TURKEY.

I simply asked for your source and the numbers to be given to back up that rather bold lie..

Yet you hide and pretend I made no such request..
Who are you really??
I called you out and you run!!
And do not try that shit You didn't see my replies or I'm not worth replying to.
I authored this thread and you'd rather banter with others. why?
Aren't you calling my views and contentions lies and mistakes?

Why so happy to engage others? I myself view that as very cowardly.. --Tyr

[Drummond]

just against islam.

.. OK. Now to the full reply.

You added to my post .. with (in red) ...


'Fascinating', this .... from your wording, do I understand that you see Christianity and Islam as 'the same' .... somehow ? And why use the word 'superstition' to describe BOTH ? Is your position one of outright dismissal of religions, just because they dare to BE such (i.e are you applying the blinkered mindset of automatic dismissal that comes from the arrogant rigidity of atheism) .. ??

1] do I see Christianity and Islam as the same? in many ways, yes. of course there are obvious differences, but they are both faith based. I use the word superstition because it is an accurate objective description of any faith based philosophy. any dismissal, by me, of religion would not be automatic. I am a well experienced, catechized, confirmed, baptized, three times recruited to the pulpit veteran of Christianity. Therefore, not automatic, but well earned. I see that your knee jerked and caused you to spew out the word "atheism" with virtually no actual evidence to back it up. or perhaps you simply do not understand the meaning of "atheism". I have no problem with the concept of higher powers drum, it is religion that I have a righteous problem with.....not god. hopfully you do understand that religion an god are two entirely different things


On the second point ... how do you explain your existence (or anybody's) ? Is yours one of an 'I don't have any answers, so I'll reject everybody else's out of hand' philosophy ?

2] my corporeal existence is a breathtaking miracle. I reject nobodies philosophies until someone attempts to present theirs as the truth


But on the first point .... if you really see no difference between Christianity and Islam, perhaps you can fill in some gaps in my knowledge ?

Can you supply me with, say ....

A Christian equivalent to 9/11 ?

3] really? you seriously need help with that one? ok, off the top of my head: god nukes cities for partying too hard. god throws humanity out of paradise for seeking knowledge.
thousands of "witches" drowned and burned alive by Christians. the Spanish inquisition.
enough for now? I left out the crusades to attempt to avoid having to deal with Christian cognitive dissonance on the subject. not accusing you personally of this, just experience talking.

A list of Christian terrorist groups, to rival those we hear of which follow and exist to further the cause of Islam ?

4] other than Jesuit assassins, I would have to dig a bit.

A list of Christian instances of beheadings? Come to that ....

5] beheadings? not so much. equivalence? see burning and drowning above for starters.

... a list of Islamists having been captured and held by Christian terrorists, to help blackmail Nation States into not trying to stop our incursions into foreign countries ?

6] don't have list, but gitmo is full of em. love the mention of our incursions into foreign countries being mentioned without so much as pause to consider the cause and effect ramifications in that

Does even the concept (an equivalent of it) of 'JIHAD' even so much as EXIST in Christianity ?

7] the crusades.

I could go on. But, you see my point ? Islam is savagery, determined to achieve the widest possible domination of human affairs .. but achieved through savagery and in order to implement more of the same as a 'norm' in human affairs.

8] go burn some more witches and, I dunno, torcher and murder some Templars or something, then get back to me on the savagery thing.

Christianity is nothing of the kind, however. Christians do not seek world conquest, as Islamists do.
9] joke, right?

What's more, we do not seek genocide against Israel ......

My first observation has to be simply this: you are massively biased against Christianity ! Your objections to it reach WAY into the past .. and any Christian committing any of the actions you list belonged to a different age, a different world, from generations long since dead.

By total comparison, Islam is committing its atrocities TODAY, IN THE MODERN WORLD. IN THE AGE OF GLOBAL MEDIA. IN THE AGE OF THE INTERNET, OF INSTANT GLOBAL COMMUNICATION.

Christians, today, don't behave as Islamic terrorists EXULT in doing ... simple fact.

Specific replies, corresponding to the numbers attributed to each of your comments:-

1]. Christianity is vastly different to Islam in many ways, not least the issue of history v current actions.

You say that dismissal by you of a religion would not be automatic. Yet .. you give grounds for JUST such an automatic dismissal in your first comment ! You say 'superstition' is a word applying to any faith-based 'philosophy' .. but religions are founded on faith, and you see the religions you discuss as mere superstition.

You are effectively dismissing all religions in that way, leaving no room for acceptance .. IF you mean what you say.

As a point of debate, I'll take your correction of me in my labelling you as an atheist. OK .. so you say you have no trouble with accepting a higher power. THAT SAID .. you also seemingly have no way at all of relating to this. Beyond intellectually accepting the concept, what else can you possibly say for that belief ?? Do you have any concept of WHAT it is you believe in ? Any form of identification, kinship ? Any concept of anything beyond a raw, unformed idea about it ?

Christians know right from wrong. Their religion addresses that. But how does any belief of YOURS do that for you ?

I see no way that it can. For this reason .. and the identification / kinship aspect .. I say that, if you mean what you say, you're in the same essential position as that of an atheist, albeit one intellectually accepting a 'possibility' that atheists do not ...
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2]. You say .. I reject nobodies philosophies until someone attempts to present theirs as the truth. Well .. that's ridiculous. It's actually totally illogical. If you're going to reject any philosophy presented to you 'as truth', then your rejection of it cannot help but be automatic !!!

I surely need not add to that. Your statement has no logic to it, other than a self-defeating one.

3]. I'm unaware of God using nuclear weapons, ever. I look forward to your proving otherwise (... did He get them wholesale, with a reasonable discount .. ??) ... and as for the rest of your comment, what truth it contains refers to practises and events from hundreds of years ago ... a bygone age. If this is the best you can do, then you're clutching at straws, trying to make historical happenings preposterously relevant to 'today' ... when, of course, they're nothing of the kind.

4]. Good luck with that digging ..

5]. A further reference to happenings from the dim and distant past ... at 'best'.

6]. Gitmo is indeed full of ISLAMIC TERRORISTS ... kept there by the American authorities, not least to keep them away from doing harm to others (.... not counting those Obama has traitorously released, of course !!). All Gitmo does is to testify to the proper vigilance against Islamic scum.

As for 'incursions into foreign countries' ... what else do you suggest ? Leaving terrorist strongholds entirely ALONE ?? Leaving maverick regimes .. such as Saddam's .. ALONE ?

Perhaps global security means nothing to you .. should terrorists do whatever they please, without 'ramifications' .. ??

7]. You're really reaching with that one. A thousand years into the past, no less ??

And please ... identify from the Christian Bible its own mention of 'Jihad'.

8]. Yet more reaching into the dim and distant past for your examples. By comparison .. there's a thread on this forum which charts Islamic terrorism IN MODERN TIMES. You should check it out.

9]. No joke. There is no effort being made to convert Middle Eastern Islamic nations to Christianity. Compare that with the efforts being made on the Islamic side. Even discounting all the terrorism .. and Israel's plight .. consider Muslim conduct in foreign countries. ALWAYS the demand is there for greater and greater deference to Islamic worship and practices. It never ceases. What it DOES do, if allowed to, is reach such a pitch that, ultimately, it becomes the dominant force.

This might interest you. Not historic ... but a story that is CURRENT news, in my country, RIGHT NOW ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-30129645


Pupils at six small Muslim private schools in east London are at risk of extremist views and radicalisation, says Ofsted's chief inspector.

Sir Michael Wilshaw said the pupils' "physical and educational welfare is at serious risk" following a series of emergency inspections.

He said all the schools focused too heavily on Islamic teachings.

One of the schools called Ofsted "unprofessional", while another said its findings did not reflect reality.

Education Secretary Nicky Morgan says the schools will be closed down if changes are not made quickly.
This is NOT the only story of its kind. Just months ago, I posted about an equivalent situation happening elsewhere in the UK.

Now, can you post for me an example of Christians doing this in a Muslim country .. trying to subvert the country concerned .. ?

I think not. But still, try to prove me wrong if you can.

And while you're at it, try dispensing with your obvious prejudice against Christianity. Your attempts to 'equivalise' it with Islam were, frankly, just pathetic.

[LongTermGuy]

and only a dumb-ass would. interesting how the 5 ton elephant in the room continues to go unnoticed. we invaded them. we stole their resources, maintain a military presence in their land and bomb the crap out of them on a regular basis. so, let us imagine that table being turned and the muslims have invaded us, bomb us and police us. your house is a burnt out rubble and half your family is dead. do you get down on your knees and pray to jehova to forgive them for their transgressions?
be honest.


`You sound like you are very left leaning....and always blaming America....Your empty very familiar sounding simplistic "talking-point" comment above is ridiculous and not worth responding to `in detail`... Either you need to do much more research...or your Blocking everything out intentionally.`

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

`You sound like you are very left leaning....and always blaming America....Your empty very familiar sounding simplistic "talking-point" comment above is ridiculous and not worth responding to `in detail`... Either you need to do much more research...or your Blocking everything out intentionally.`

Comes to this thread, I authored and hold dear, then refuses to respond to my initial queries . Then attacks more the premise of this thread and runs more from my refutations. I see cowardice but that's just me. Seems eager to respond to others but my style of refuting such stupidity with truth,( facts backed with multiple links) apparently scares the hell out of this puma.
A leftist tactic, run away, come back while ignoring the refutations as if they are ancient history and thus irrelevant.
I do not let the leftists/libs play that game on me. I call 'em on it every damn time!
Just as I am now doing to this puma.. Nobody gets to attack my comments on this long thread with impunity.

I still want him to give the source and the specific numbers that he maintains prove his stupid and false accusations against Christians.. He made it so very boldly but runs cowardly when asked to prove it or give source and specific numbers backed by historic facts to back the damn lie up!!

Nor has this hit and run member offered any refutation to the murdering and evil acts in this very long thread..


http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks

^^^^^ I suspect that's why the running from my comments came to be.. --Tyr

[aboutime]

Comes to this thread, I authored and hold dear, then refuses to respond to my initial queries . Then attacks more the premise of this thread and runs more from my refutations. I see cowardice but that's just me. Seems eager to respond to others but my style of refuting such stupidity with truth,( facts backed with multiple links) apparently scares the hell out of this puma.
A leftist tactic, run away, come back while ignoring the refutations as if they are ancient history and thus irrelevant.
I do not let the leftists/libs play that game on me. I call 'em on it every damn time!
Just as I am now doing to this puma.. Nobody gets to attack my comments on this long thread with impunity.

I still want him to give the source and the specific numbers that he maintains prove his stupid and false accusations against Christians.. He made it so very boldly but runs cowardly when asked to prove it or give source and specific numbers backed by historic facts to back the damn lie up!!

Nor has this hit and run member offered any refutation to the murdering and evil acts in this very long thread..



^^^^^ I suspect that's why the running from my comments came to be.. --Tyr



LongTerm, and Tyr. Something we should always remember is. When the use of NAME CALLING begins here. There's probably a very Miserable Liberal using the tactic to distract attention from their lack of intelligence.

[Drummond]

`You sound like you are very left leaning....and always blaming America....Your empty very familiar sounding simplistic "talking-point" comment above is ridiculous and not worth responding to `in detail`... Either you need to do much more research...or your Blocking everything out intentionally.`

I agree, 'LongTermGuy' - 'Puma' comes across as Left wing.

Given that this is the case, I don't see that Tyr had much room to expect more from this individual than he's 'got' ... after all, Tyr, when you're dealing with Lefties, you're dealing with individuals that cannot stray appreciably from the 'Party Line' - they DARE not. So ... anything he'd have difficulty in answering, he simply WON'T answer.

Perhaps the most telling characteristic of the lot, where Lefties are concerned, is that they'll do whatever it takes to avoid conceding anything at all. They will NEVER admit when they're wrong. To do that risks the unravelling of whatever shaky threads of reason underpin what they advocate.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I agree, 'LongTermGuy' - 'Puma' comes across as Left wing.

Given that this is the case, I don't see that Tyr had much room to expect more from this individual than he's 'got' ... after all, Tyr, when you're dealing with Lefties, you're dealing with individuals that cannot stray appreciably from the 'Party Line' - they DARE not. So ... anything he'd have difficulty in answering, he simply WON'T answer.

Perhaps the most telling characteristic of the lot, where Lefties are concerned, is that they'll do whatever it takes to avoid conceding anything at all. They will NEVER admit when they're wrong. To do that risks the unravelling of whatever shaky threads of reason underpin what they advocate.

So true my friend. This hit and run posting being done by puma is not for me as it reveals both cowardice and ignorance.
This person has very little honor in my opinion for posting in this manner , reveals a lack of honesty, integrity and knowledge. It does however reveal a hatred for Christianity without just cause and certainly without any logical reasoning behind taking that erroneous stand. Lack of faith is one thing but hatred and ignorance used in his bias presents a much deeper picture of stupidity in my opinion.
And cowardice too, since this new member attacks this thread, my views and refuses to even engage or answer my, at first, very polite inquiries.
Now that I see the deception going on, I have no reason to be polite. I call it exactly like I see it..
He/she(?), very welcome to engage me with discussion but I think his/her(?) fear and ignorance will prevent that from happening. Although it lumped Islam in with its disdain in one comment, I suspect the true target is Christianity which leads me to believe its either a muslim or a muslim appeaser at work. And that because this person went after Christianity and dropped anything critical of the true evil-Islam!!! --Tyr

[Drummond]

So true my friend. This hit and run posting being done by puma is not for me as it reveals both cowardice and ignorance.
This person has very little honor in my opinion for posting in this manner , reveals a lack of honesty, integrity and knowledge. It does however reveal a hatred for Christianity without just cause and certainly without any logical reasoning behind taking that erroneous stand. Lack of faith is one thing but hatred and ignorance used in his bias presents a much deeper picture of stupidity in my opinion.
And cowardice too, since this new member attacks this thread, my views and refuses to even engage or answer my, at first, very polite inquiries.
Now that I see the deception going on, I have no reason to be polite. I call it exactly like I see it..
He/she(?), very welcome to engage me with discussion but I think his/her(?) fear and ignorance will prevent that from happening. Although it lumped Islam in with its disdain in one comment, I suspect the true target is Christianity which leads me to believe its either a muslim or a muslim appeaser at work. And that because this person went after Christianity and dropped anything critical of the true evil-Islam!!! --Tyr

Seems to me that you're describing a fairly typical Leftie, Tyr. One that tries us on, but cannot counter with any great substance. One with, perhaps (I suspect), a secular mission, but is unused to being questioned to any great degree ?

Such individuals are rather sad, in my opinion. Full of their own blinkered ideas, not being able to vary from them when tested.

This is why Conservatives are so very much better suited to facing, and dealing with, the REAL world in REAL terms.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/islamism_islamofascism_and_islam.html

November 25, 2014

Islamism, Islamofascism, and Islam

By G. Murphy Donovan

Words matter. Alas, neologisms come into the language all the time, especially when the drama index is high. Ironically, polemicists on the Right and Left abhor words like Islamism.

Liberals think the word unfairly links radicals or terrorists with religion. Some on the Left, team Obama for example, would have you believe that mayhem in Mohamed’s name has nothing to do with Islam, a little like claiming that the Crusades were sponsored by Rotarians. The thought police at the White House, at CIA, and even at the Associated Press have stricken words like Islamism from their vocabularies by fiat. The Left traditionally believes that candor, or the action that truth might require, will make a problem worse. Appeasement is an honored liberal idiom.





Conservatives, on the other hand, suspect the “ism” is a hedge, a reluctance to call a spade a spade. Some on the Right would have you believe that Islam and its adherents are coherent; a kind of terror, rhetoric, and religious monolith.

Here ends are confused with means. The objective of imperial Islam may be monoculture. Yet, with 1.5 billion followers, realities will always be at odds with utopian dreams. The Shia/Sunni schism, for example, has plagued the Ummah for 1300 years. To suggest that all Muslims are militant radicals or terrorists is a little like confusing the bulls with the dairy cows.

Arabs, Muslims, and the Islamic Press use words like Islamism. Why is that?

Islamism, as opposed to Islam, suggests movement and militancy. You might think of Islamists as Muslim crusaders. Such distinctions are self-evident when militants are parsed from the so-called “moderate” majority. That majority in turn are happy to be separated from the swords, shooters, and beards. Unfortunately, these asserted distinctions do nothing to moderate the menace.

If only ten percent of Muslims (150 million) are militant, then the threat is substantial by any measure.



Icon translation: “I have been ordered by Allah to fight against the people until they testify….”

Neologisms are born when ordinary language fails to capture a phenomenon or an idea. Terms like Islamism and “Islamofascism” fill a void of meaning. Yes, the majority are not terrorists. They are worse! Passive aggressors might be a better description for most of the silent Muslim majority.

How many Russians were Communists and how many Germans were Nazis in the beginning? The numbers never have to be large. Militancy and terror are usually a minority and minorities still prevail. A kinetic vanguard can always depend on the silence and apathy of majorities. The Islamist menace is no different today.

Indeed, the propagandists and the swords are the lesser of two evils. We know what they believe, what they fight for, and we see what they do on a daily basis. Militants make no secret of their Islamic motivation. Whatever the number of radicals, they will never be as numerous, or as guilty, as the larger Ummah which is routinely disingenuous, routinely apathetic, routinely absolved, routinely hypocritical, and routinely given a pass on accountability.

Most Americans and Europeans believe that most Muslims are innocents. How is this different than what most Muslims believe? Sadly, the great crimes of any century are more a function of apathy and appeasement, and less a product of militancy. Apathy and denial about the Islamism problem is as much a problem in the West as it is in the East.

A malignant force, once set in motion, tends to stay in motion unless confronted by an equal or superior force (hat tip to Isaac). The real strength of Islamists is the apathy of 57 Muslim nations worldwide, a sixth of the world’s population. Islamofascism is an Ummah community problem. The progressive West cannot save the Islamic East from itself.

Calling Islamists criminals, militants, radicals, fundamentalists, or even terrorists might be necessary but not sufficient. These are half-truths, euphemisms at best. Proselytizers, apologists, and jihadists must also be linked precisely, directly, and routinely to the ideology that motivates them. Without motive, crime or any barbarity would not be a problem. That culture is Islam! Culture is the primary culprit midst James Clapper’s “nefarious” characters.

So let’s be clear when we speak of the enemy. With the Muslim wars, there are probably three relevant semantic distinctions to be made. Islam is the big tent phenomenon, for the most part an apathetic, apologetic, passive, or mostly bovine majority. Islamists are the proselytizing militants or financiers, missionaries, domestic or immigrant activists who believe they act in the name of a “great” religion. Islamofascists are the kinetic Muslims, those who oppress or kill in the name of Mohamed, the Koran, or imperial Islam. The terms are related, but not necessarily interchangeable.*

The necessity to distinguish militants from moderates is not trivial. The so-called moderate is the more difficult problem, numerically and ideologically. Islamism is in the end a philosophical, political, religious, now kinetic, quest to reverse the vector of Emanuel Kant’s optimism. There is more than a little evidence to support the irredentist world view. The passage of time is not progress. The vector of history moves forward -- or backwards. Contemporary Islamism is a very large sanguinary bet on door number two, the recidivist option.

And yes, Islamists claim that their aggression is actually defense, a victim’s posture. Let’s allow that historical delusion. Muslim scholars and clerics have been looking to the past in search of the future for centuries. Recidivism, yea political immaturity, is the fatal flaw of all utopians, especially fascists. There is no question that imperial Islam will fail -- implode or be defeated. The question is how much masochism, denial, and damage the Ummah and the civilized world will endure before that day arrives. Unfortunately, the predicate of all fascism, religious or secular, is coercion. ISIS and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi are the logical products of Islamism unchallenged.

…………….


*Some of the best defense for terms like Islamism and Islamofascism often comes, ironically, from serious writers on the American Left. See Christopher Hitchens seminal essay in Slate or almost anything written by Paul Berman on the subject.

G. Murphy Donovan writes about the politics of national security


Words matter. Alas, neologisms come into the language all the time, especially when the drama index is high. Ironically, polemicists on the Right and Left abhor words like Islamism.

Liberals think the word unfairly links radicals or terrorists with religion. Some on the Left, team Obama for example, would have you believe that mayhem in Mohamed’s name has nothing to do with Islam, a little like claiming that the Crusades were sponsored by Rotarians. The thought police at the White House, at CIA, and even at the Associated Press have stricken words like Islamism from their vocabularies by fiat. The Left traditionally believes that candor, or the action that truth might require, will make a problem worse. Appeasement is an honored liberal idiom.




Conservatives, on the other hand, suspect the “ism” is a hedge, a reluctance to call a spade a spade. Some on the Right would have you believe that Islam and its adherents are coherent; a kind of terror, rhetoric, and religious monolith.

Here ends are confused with means. The objective of imperial Islam may be monoculture. Yet, with 1.5 billion followers, realities will always be at odds with utopian dreams. The Shia/Sunni schism, for example, has plagued the Ummah for 1300 years. To suggest that all Muslims are militant radicals or terrorists is a little like confusing the bulls with the dairy cows.

Arabs, Muslims, and the Islamic Press use words like Islamism. Why is that?

Islamism, as opposed to Islam, suggests movement and militancy. You might think of Islamists as Muslim crusaders. Such distinctions are self-evident when militants are parsed from the so-called “moderate” majority. That majority in turn are happy to be separated from the swords, shooters, and beards. Unfortunately, these asserted distinctions do nothing to moderate the menace.

If only ten percent of Muslims (150 million) are militant, then the threat is substantial by any measure.

Neologisms are born when ordinary language fails to capture a phenomenon or an idea. Terms like Islamism and “Islamofascism” fill a void of meaning. Yes, the majority are not terrorists. They are worse! Passive aggressors might be a better description for most of the silent Muslim majority.

How many Russians were Communists and how many Germans were Nazis in the beginning? The numbers never have to be large. Militancy and terror are usually a minority and minorities still prevail. A kinetic vanguard can always depend on the silence and apathy of majorities. The Islamist menace is no different today.

Indeed, the propagandists and the swords are the lesser of two evils. We know what they believe, what they fight for, and we see what they do on a daily basis. Militants make no secret of their Islamic motivation. Whatever the number of radicals, they will never be as numerous, or as guilty, as the larger Ummah which is routinely disingenuous, routinely apathetic, routinely absolved, routinely hypocritical, and routinely given a pass on accountability.

Most Americans and Europeans believe that most Muslims are innocents. How is this different than what most Muslims believe? Sadly, the great crimes of any century are more a function of apathy and appeasement, and less a product of militancy. Apathy and denial about the Islamism problem is as much a problem in the West as it is in the East.

A malignant force, once set in motion, tends to stay in motion unless confronted by an equal or superior force (hat tip to Isaac). The real strength of Islamists is the apathy of 57 Muslim nations worldwide, a sixth of the world’s population. Islamofascism is an Ummah community problem. The progressive West cannot save the Islamic East from itself.

Calling Islamists criminals, militants, radicals, fundamentalists, or even terrorists might be necessary but not sufficient. These are half-truths, euphemisms at best. Proselytizers, apologists, and jihadists must also be linked precisely, directly, and routinely to the ideology that motivates them. Without motive, crime or any barbarity would not be a problem. That culture is Islam! Culture is the primary culprit midst James Clapper’s “nefarious” characters.

So let’s be clear when we speak of the enemy. With the Muslim wars, there are probably three relevant semantic distinctions to be made. Islam is the big tent phenomenon, for the most part an apathetic, apologetic, passive, or mostly bovine majority. Islamists are the proselytizing militants or financiers, missionaries, domestic or immigrant activists who believe they act in the name of a “great” religion. Islamofascists are the kinetic Muslims, those who oppress or kill in the name of Mohamed, the Koran, or imperial Islam. The terms are related, but not necessarily interchangeable.*

The necessity to distinguish militants from moderates is not trivial. The so-called moderate is the more difficult problem, numerically and ideologically. Islamism is in the end a philosophical, political, religious, now kinetic, quest to reverse the vector of Emanuel Kant’s optimism. There is more than a little evidence to support the irredentist world view. The passage of time is not progress. The vector of history moves forward -- or backwards. Contemporary Islamism is a very large sanguinary bet on door number two, the recidivist option.

And yes, Islamists claim that their aggression is actually defense, a victim’s posture. Let’s allow that historical delusion. Muslim scholars and clerics have been looking to the past in search of the future for centuries. Recidivism, yea political immaturity, is the fatal flaw of all utopians, especially fascists. There is no question that imperial Islam will fail -- implode or be defeated. The question is how much masochism, denial, and damage the Ummah and the civilized world will endure before that day arrives. Unfortunately, the predicate of all fascism, religious or secular, is coercion. ISIS and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi are the logical products of Islamism unchallenged.

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Here is another great new site that reveals the truth about the cult that seeks to enslave or murder every non-muslim in the world!!!-Tyr





http://www.barenakedislam.com/


By BareNakedIslam • Posted in Religion of Hate
Dec 24 2014

AUSTRIA: Muslim cuts down figure of Jesus on a cross because he considered in an “eyesore”


An Egyptian Muslim man who moved into a house in Grossenzersdorf in Lower Austria told his neighbors the 60-year-old figure of Jesus on a cross outside his home was an “eyesore” – so he decided to cut it down with an angle grinder.

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The Local (h/t TROP) Shortly after the man bought the house in Augasse, he was heard complaining to his neighbors about the two-metre high crucifix with the figure of Jesus that stood for several decades on the grass verge in front of his property. “I don’t want that. It has to go,” he said, according to a report in the news daily Heute.

Soon, during renovations to his house, he had access to an angle grinder, so he simply cut it down, slightly damaging the Jesus figure in the process. His neighbors weren’t happy. Local mayor Hubert Tomsic of the socialist Christian Democrats (SPÖ) said “I had a conversation with the man about repositioning the cross at a different location in the alley – at his expense.”

Tomsic said that such a ‘radical’ response to the common Christian symbol was offensive, and inflammatory. The right-wing Austrian People’s Party (ÖVP) said on Monday that they have lodged a complaint with the police for criminal damage, and denigration of religious teachings.

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[Jeff]

Here is another great new site that reveals the truth about the cult that seeks to enslave or murder every non-muslim in the world!!!-Tyr

Sounds like a great site to show what murdering scum Muslims really are, yes there are some that to them they don't understand the religion they just now that is what they where born as ( yes I had a friend of mine that was just as I described, now he may understand it I am sure but he is not violent at all, I would consider him just a good old dude that doesn't practice any religion ) WE have many like my buddy then we have the ones in prison that there basic belief is the white man is the devil and then the terrorist who just want to kill anyone that isn't Muslim !! Someone needs to inform everyone but some are too dense to understand no matter how many sites ya have.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/12/the_dupe_of_islam.html

January 1, 2015

The Dupe of Islam

By Richard Butrick

The real face of Islam is a peaceful religion based on the dignity of all human beings. It’s one where Muslim communities are leading the fight against poverty. It’s one where Muslim communities are providing basic healthcare and emergency assistance on the front lines of some of our most devastating humanitarian crises. And it is one where Muslim communities are advocating for universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the most basic freedom to practice one’s faith openly and freely.

freely.

If the likes of ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, the Taliban, and Hamas are not following real Islam then what are they following? Unreal Islam?

And passages like the following from the Koran, how are they to be explained away?




Sura 2:193: "fight against them until Allah's religion reigns supreme."

Sura 8:39: "make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme."

Sura 3:151: "We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve [or "infidels"] for what they have associated with Allah [reference to Christian Trinity] of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers."

Sura 8:12: "When the Lord inspired the angels [saying to them], ‘I am with you; so make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite their necks and smite of them each finger’."

The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) released its 2012 Annual Report, in which more than 16 nations were designated as “countries of particular concern” (CPC) for their flagrant and consistent human and religious rights violations. They include Iran (2 -- just behind North Korea); Pakistan (3); Egypt (4); and Saudi Arabia (6). Of Iran the report states, “Christian persecution, particularly for Muslim converts, has steadily intensified in Iran in recent years, where many Christians suffer from societal ostracism, discrimination, and abuse. Because Islamic law is strictly observed in Iran -- a country that has boasts the highest population of Shi’a Muslims in the world -- the court system even reserves the right to execute male apostates and impose a life sentence on female apostates. Nearly all Christian activity, including proselytizing and Bible publishing, is illegal in Iran
Does this not then mean that Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia are not following real Islam since real Islam supports “the most basic freedom to practice one’s faith openly and freely”?

This would be all quite funny if the Dupe of Islam were not shaping U.S. foreign policy. This is a propaganda war as well as guns and bullets war. The Honorable Secretary of State, John Kerry, has been co-opted in the propaganda war at the outset. He has failed the basic first step articulated by Sun Tzu in The Art of War -- know thine enemy. With his leadership in concert with the rest of the president’s inner circle the U.S. and the West will be crucified on the cross of Islamophilia.


This would be all quite funny if the Dupe of Islam were not shaping U.S. foreign policy. This is a propaganda war as well as guns and bullets war. The Honorable Secretary of State, John Kerry, has been co-opted in the propaganda war at the outset. He has failed the basic first step articulated by Sun Tzu in The Art of War -- know thine enemy. With his leadership in concert with the rest of the president’s inner circle the U.S. and the West will be crucified on the cross of Islamophilia.

Obama put in another leftist traitor to do his bidding.. Always Obama places people to catch the bullet should one be fired.. Its never laid at his feet--he always has semi-plausible deniability. At least plausible to idiots, asshats, fools, liberals ,dems and other stinking vermin!--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/570450/Convicted-robber-FREE-Taliban-threat-young-poppy-seller-court-case

OUTRAGE as man who told 12-year-old poppy seller he would be shot by Taliban goes free

A JUDGE has sparked outrage after he freed a Muslim who threatened to have a 12-year-old Army cadet selling poppies “shot by the Taliban.”

By ANIL DAWAR
PUBLISHED: 16:41, Tue, Apr 14, 2015 | UPDATED: 15:30, Wed, Apr 15, 2015

Convicted armed robber Adelso Saws skipped out of court with a suspended sentence despite being found guilty of threatening the terrified Army cadet ahead of Remembrance Sunday last year.

It is the second time in three months that thugs who have threatened young Army cadets have escaped jail terms.

In February, unemployed Romanian Marius Dura, 26, was handed a six-week suspended sentence despite admitting telling two girl cadets he was going to “chop their heads off”.

News of the latest slap-on-the-wrist punishment prompted anger yesterday.

Gerard Batten of Ukip said: “This sentence is far too lenient for someone with such a serious previous conviction.

“His 12-year-old victim was supporting our magnificent Armed Forces and represents the decent people of this country who should be allowed to go about their business without these hideous kinds of threats.

“This man should have been made an example of and given a stiff jail sentence.”

Details of the “disturbing and frightening” incident were spelled out during a one-day trial at North East Derbyshire and Dales Magistrates Court this week.

Saws, 34, from Kilburn in Derbyshire, spotted two Army cadets selling poppies outside a supermarket in nearby Belper on October 25 last year

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Yet another reason why I take my stand here and now in our country.
Britain can be lead to do crap like this to appease the stinking muzzies so can and will we, some future day !-Tyr

These animals are relentless and never stop with their agenda, not even for a minute.

[Gunny]

Sounds like a great site to show what murdering scum Muslims really are, yes there are some that to them they don't understand the religion they just now that is what they where born as ( yes I had a friend of mine that was just as I described, now he may understand it I am sure but he is not violent at all, I would consider him just a good old dude that doesn't practice any religion ) WE have many like my buddy then we have the ones in prison that there basic belief is the white man is the devil and then the terrorist who just want to kill anyone that isn't Muslim !! Someone needs to inform everyone but some are too dense to understand no matter how many sites ya have.

Sorry Jeff, but I have to kinda laugh at this. Reverse the psychology. This Nation was born by committing treason and acts of terrorism against our King and his army. We were fighting to win.

Sherman and Grant were terrorists. Phil Sheridan was terrorist. The US waged wars of attrition to get what it wanted, whatever the price. We peaked in WWII. Except for the First Gulf War, we haven't won anything clean since then.

Idealists need to stifle some of the idealism and add some realism into the equation. We're weak. We have forgotten how to win, and every superiority we have we lose daily as they grow stronger and we sit on our thumbs. They're fighting to win at all costs and we aren't. They're using what offends us most as a weapon which prompts a rebuke in the media. Big deal. It's like they read Ho Chi Mihn's handbook on how to beat us.

They're beating us at home because pussies won't take a stand. We have the capability to take out ISIS in 3 months. But we're" "civilized". We can't hurt civilians. Doesn't matter the longer we do nothing the more civilians die anyway. War IS Hell. I'd rather fight it in THEIR sandbox than on my street.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sorry Jeff, but I have to kinda laugh at this. Reverse the psychology. This Nation was born by committing treason and acts of terrorism against our King and his army. We were fighting to win.

Sherman and Grant were terrorists. Phil Sheridan was terrorist. The US waged wars of attrition to get what it wanted, whatever the price. We peaked in WWII. Except for the First Gulf War, we haven't won anything clean since then.

Idealists need to stifle some of the idealism and add some realism into the equation. We're weak. We have forgotten how to win, and every superiority we have we lose daily as they grow stronger and we sit on our thumbs. They're fighting to win at all costs and we aren't. They're using what offends us most as a weapon which prompts a rebuke in the media. Big deal. It's like they read Ho Chi Mihn's handbook on how to beat us.

They're beating us at home because pussies won't take a stand. We have the capability to take out ISIS in 3 months. But we're" "civilized". We can't hurt civilians. Doesn't matter the longer we do nothing the more civilians die anyway. War IS Hell. I'd rather fight it in THEIR sandbox than on my street.


"They're beating us at home because pussies won't take a stand. We have the capability to take out ISIS in 3 months. But we're" "civilized". We can't hurt civilians. Doesn't matter the longer we do nothing the more civilians die anyway. War IS Hell. I'd rather fight it in THEIR sandbox than on my street."

^^^^^^ Yet those of us that DEMAND that our government actually start fighting to win are called extremists and hate filled bigots ,etc...
Unless one has a revolution all we as citizens can do is express our views and try to inform others of what is so wrong ABOUT THE LIBERAL GUILT AND COWARDICE INFECTING THIS NATION IMHO.
I have previously pointed out how fast our military could take out ISIS -IF- allowed to do so--obama will not allow it..
We as a nation should be asking why and demanding he do his damn job.
Can not criticize him because he is black is what we get and what we see.
The pussies are the political leaders(primarily dems) that ALWAYS seek appeasement first!
We need a damn prez with balls and a Chesty Puller to do the damn job right!
Start killing the ffing bastards until the roaches are all dead, thats how war works.....
We have not fought like that since the big one, WW2...

Obama makes damn sure that one day we will have to fight it here in our streets.. thats his true agenda.... -TYR

[Gunny]

^^^^^^ Yet those of us that DEMAND that our government actually start fighting to win are called extremists and hate filled bigots ,etc...
Unless one has a revolution all we as citizens can do is express our views and try to inform others of what is so wrong ABOUT THE LIBERAL GUILT AND COWARDICE INFECTING THIS NATION IMHO.
I have previously pointed out how fast our military could take out ISIS -IF- allowed to do so--obama will not allow it..
We as a nation should be asking why and demanding he do his damn job.
Can not criticize him because he is black is what we get and what we see.
The pussies are the political leaders(primarily dems) that ALWAYS seek appeasement first!
We need a damn prez with balls and a Chesty Puller to do the damn job right!
Start killing the ffing bastards until the roaches are all dead, thats how war works.....
We have not fought like that since the big one, WW2...

Obama makes damn sure that one day we will have to fight it here in our streets.. thats his true agenda.... -TYR

Might be the way you say it that gets you called an extremist, hate-filled bigot?

ISIS, and Iran and its satellite groups are REAL military threats. I agree "Neville Chamberlain" Obama is THE problem. He is an incompetent CinC, and he is incompetent at foreign relations. It's going to cost MORE lives when we finally do have to take them out. Likely alone since he's alienated our allies in the ME for his "Peace in Our Time" deal with Iran.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Might be the way you say it that gets you called an extremist, hate-filled bigot?

ISIS, and Iran and its satellite groups are REAL military threats. I agree "Neville Chamberlain" Obama is THE problem. He is an incompetent CinC, and he is incompetent at foreign relations. It's going to cost MORE lives when we finally do have to take them out. Likely alone since he's alienated our allies in the ME for his "Peace in Our Time" deal with Iran.

Fair enough if that be the case. I say it with hate in my heart true but I am not now and never was a tender kind of guy. Certainly never a diplomatic type.
I like to let the cards fall were they may, and whomever gets painted black is just fine with me as long as its true.
The cold hard truth is the kind I prefer to embrace as it leaves all the bullshit of pretenses back in the damn dust.

Stark reality makes for an easier more direct target to hit when action is called for... (DEFINITELY CALLED FOR WITH ISIS)
You are dead on right about the obama but to me it is not mere incompetence (ALTHOUGH SOME OF IT IS), its more about his true religion, his true alliances and his true hatred for the Western word/ America AND THE JEWS.

Never underestimate an enemy and the obama by any competent reasoning is an avowed enemy of this nation IMHO.... -Tyr

[Gunny]

Fair enough if that be the case. I say it with hate in my heart true but I am not now and never was a tender kind of guy. Certainly never a diplomatic type.
I like to let the cards fall were they may, and whomever gets painted black is just fine with me as long as its true.
The cold hard truth is the kind I prefer to embrace as it leaves all the bullshit of pretenses back in the damn dust.

Stark reality makes for an easier more direct target to hit when action is called for... (DEFINITELY CALLED FOR WITH ISIS)
You are dead on right about the obama but to me it is not mere incompetence (ALTHOUGH SOME OF IT IS), its more about his true religion, his true alliances and his true hatred for the Western word/ America AND THE JEWS.

Never underestimate an enemy and the obama by any competent reasoning is an avowed enemy of this nation IMHO.... -Tyr

And when have you EVER seen me not speak my mind? Straight up and don't care who I piss off. That's not an issue. It's the vitriol.

I doubt Obama hates this country. Seems obvious he DOES think we are the bad guys and all our traditional allies as well. I think his dumb ass thinks what he is doing is right. I will say what I did in 2008 -- he's not qualified for the position. He hasn't grown into it. And since the GOP took over Congress, he's acted like a spoiled brat who isn't getting his way.

He is completely inept at geo-politics and the political and military ramifications. He's a "paper tiger", and our enemies know it. So far, he's been wrong about almost everything.

I feel sorry for whoever has to follow him up. In THAT regard, I think Bush is the best candidate. Everyone else is too much of a rookie, no matter how good they are on domestic issues.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And when have you EVER seen me not speak my mind? Straight up and don't care who I piss off. That's not an issue. It's the vitriol.

I doubt Obama hates this country. Seems obvious he DOES think we are the bad guys and all our traditional allies as well. I think his dumb ass thinks what he is doing is right. I will say what I did in 2008 -- he's not qualified for the position. He hasn't grown into it. And since the GOP took over Congress, he's acted like a spoiled brat who isn't getting his way.

He is completely inept at geo-politics and the political and military ramifications. He's a "paper tiger", and our enemies know it. So far, he's been wrong about almost everything.

I feel sorry for whoever has to follow him up. In THAT regard, I think Bush is the best candidate. Everyone else is too much of a rookie, no matter how good they are on domestic issues.

Speaking my mind is me putting it as bluntly as I can and as vitriolic as I want to. If you consider that too vitriolic thats fine by me because I will speak my mind regardless.
Since you take great stock in speaking your mind then do so but so shall I every time. I have no special desire to appease the finer sensibilities of any person here. Instead I prefer each person has absolutely no doubt where I stand.
As far as I can tell none do have any such doubt... A success for me IMHO.

We both seem to agree that the obama is bad, is a coward , is inept and the next prez should be a strong leader that far better represents the American of freedom , inherent human rights and will work for the greater prosperity of this nation.
Now who best represents that and has the character and integrity to pursue it if elected is another matter.
No Dem alive fits that bill IMHO. And very few of our candidates fit it either. Bush already is and has been a amnesty guy, thus he is out for me in the primary, although would vote for him against any dem..
Right now, Walker and Cruz look fairly good to me.............-Tyr

[Gunny]

Speaking my mind is me putting it as bluntly as I can and as vitriolic as I want to. If you consider that too vitriolic thats fine by me because I will speak my mind regardless.
Since you take great stock in speaking your mind then do so but so shall I every time. I have no special desire to appease the finer sensibilities of any person here. Instead I prefer each person has absolutely no doubt where I stand.
As far as I can tell none do have any such doubt... A success for me IMHO.

We both seem to agree that the obama is bad, is a coward , is inept and the next prez should be a strong leader that far better represents the American of freedom , inherent human rights and will work for the greater prosperity of this nation.
Now who best represents that and has the character and integrity to pursue it if elected is another matter.
No Dem alive fits that bill IMHO. And very few of our candidates fit it either. Bush already is and has been a amnesty guy, thus he is out for me in the primary, although would vote for him against any dem..
Right now, Walker and Cruz look fairly good to me.............-Tyr

I wasn't telling you how to speak. Knock yourself out. I was merely making a point. I GET what you are saying. You made the assertion you were being called this or that because of your beliefs and that just isn't so. You get labelled because of how you say it. Either way, I'm not telling you what to do. Just pointing out the obvious.

And don't think I don't get it. If I lose my temper, I'm drunk according to any-and-everyone. Truth is, my temper is worse when I'm sober than when I'm drunk. Everyone's looking fr an excuse to label. You give them one. No one ever considers the fact I can can get angry at shit without ANY "help".

There are no "inherent human rights". Only the ones you are willing to fight and die for.

Obama is a weak POS. We agree.

Don't know enough about Bush to form an opinion yet.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I wasn't telling you how to speak. Knock yourself out. I was merely making a point. I GET what you are saying. You made the assertion you were being called this or that because of your beliefs and that just isn't so. You get labelled because of how you say it. Either way, I'm not telling you what to do. Just pointing out the obvious.

And don't think I don't get it. If I lose my temper, I'm drunk according to any-and-everyone. Truth is, my temper is worse when I'm sober than when I'm drunk. Everyone's looking fr an excuse to label. You give them one. No one ever considers the fact I can can get angry at shit without ANY "help".

There are no "inherent human rights". Only the ones you are willing to fight and die for.

Obama is a weak POS. We agree.

Don't know enough about Bush to form an opinion yet.

Not a problem amigo. I have no care at all how I am labeled if its because I take a very ,very hard line.
And that is me speaking to all humans not just you.
I will not fault you for any of your anger issues because I have my own to deal with-always have had. Tis why I am basically a loner, that
on most things do not give a rip.

I disagree about the rights . Of course we can only have the ones we fight for and daily maintain. However, man by Nature and design is made to be an intelligent creature THAT uses free will to survive and prosper IMHO.
The state of the world forces the fighting part as man is now a fallen creature..

We seem to agree, any man must fight for his principles and his freedoms. Those physically capable yet refuse to do so deserve none IMHO.
For their inaction aids the opposition and thus that decision threatens me and mine.... example obama and the dem party.. -Tyr

[Gunny]

Not a problem amigo. I have no care at all how I am labeled if its because I take a very ,very hard line.
And that is me speaking to all humans not just you.
I will not fault you for any of your anger issues because I have my own to deal with-always have had. Tis why I am basically a loner, that
on most things do not give a rip.

I disagree about the rights . Of course we can only have the ones we fight for and daily maintain. However, man by Nature and design is made to be an intelligent creature THAT uses free will to survive and prosper IMHO.
The state of the world forces the fighting part as man is now a fallen creature..

We seem to agree, any man must fight for his principles and his freedoms. Those physically capable yet refuse to do so deserve none IMHO.
For their inaction aids the opposition and thus that decision threatens me and mine.... example obama and the dem party.. -Tyr

That may be so, but cross reference this with the libertarian thread. Everyone's about labels and excuses. Labels suck. As far as being unapologetic goes, I'm as unapologetic is it comes. Yet some choose to take it personally instead of just agreeing to disagree. They make it personal. I'd rather you tell me what you think than try to blow smoke up my ass. But I expect the same in return.

My opinion's my opinion. Yours is yours. And there's the groundwork for a war. IF you can't listen. The only difference between two people disagreeing on a message board and Western civilization vs Islam is the scale. And it always boils down to one word: intolerance. On BOTH sides.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That may be so, but cross reference this with the libertarian thread. Everyone's about labels and excuses. Labels suck. As far as being unapologetic goes, I'm as unapologetic is it comes. Yet some choose to take it personally instead of just agreeing to disagree. They make it personal. I'd rather you tell me what you think than try to blow smoke up my ass. But I expect the same in return.

My opinion's my opinion. Yours is yours. And there's the groundwork for a war. IF you can't listen. The only difference between two people disagreeing on a message board and Western civilization vs Islam is the scale. And it always boils down to one word: intolerance. On BOTH sides.

As far as interaction on a message board goes I do exactly as I do in person, give just as good as I get. I make no demand that all agree with me and certainly never, never declare that I am perfect.
I do demand that those I chose to banter with give me the same respect that they expect from me.
Labels are used to get points across or to castigate a person often inaccurately and wrongly IMHO.
I authored this thread about 3 years ago and the subject of the thread is taking a stand. I took one and neither hell nor high water will cause me to abandon that stand.
As of now I only point out what the ffing muslims truly are with no fighting. Anybody that thinks Ill not fight is ffing crazy.
When/if that times comes I will fight gladly.
You know why?
Because those ffkking vermin(muslims) threaten my family with deadly harm . I'll kill anybody doing that, just that damn simple.. --Tyr

[Gunny]

As far as interaction on a message board goes I do exactly as I do in person, give just as good as I get. I make no demand that all agree with me and certainly never, never declare that I am perfect.
I do demand that those I chose to banter with give me the same respect that they expect from me.
Labels are used to get points across or to castigate a person often inaccurately and wrongly IMHO.
I authored this thread about 3 years ago and the subject of the thread is taking a stand. I took one and neither hell nor high water will cause me to abandon that stand.
As of now I only point out what the ffing muslims truly are with no fighting. Anybody that thinks Ill not fight is ffing crazy.
When/if that times comes I will fight gladly.
You know why?
Because those ffkking vermin(muslims) threaten my family with deadly harm . I'll kill anybody doing that, just that damn simple.. --Tyr

Labels are what they are. Blind. One size fits all.

Extremist Muslim jihadists threaten our entire way of life. The problem is, civilized people have their heads stuck so far up their butts they have that "it happens to the other guy" attitude. But make no mistake ... ISIS is a part of Islam about as much as Fred Phelps represented the Baptist church. You have to see past the smoke and mirrors. These people are making money out of war. They'd have to get a real job otherwise. War pays better. "Jihad" is just the smokescreen they use to get dumbass idealists to follow them.

But we don't have to be dumb enough to not see through the smoke to what these thugs really are. Just gangbangers by another name.

And if you don't think I haven't taken a stand, I got 21 years and 7 stripes that says you would be wrong on that account.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Labels are what they are. Blind. One size fits all.

Extremist Muslim jihadists threaten our entire way of life. The problem is, civilized people have their heads stuck so far up their butts they have that "it happens to the other guy" attitude. But make no mistake ... ISIS is a part of Islam about as much as Fred Phelps represented the Baptist church. You have to see past the smoke and mirrors. These people are making money out of war. They'd have to get a real job otherwise. War pays better. "Jihad" is just the smokescreen they use to get dumbass idealists to follow them.

But we don't have to be dumb enough to not see through the smoke to what these thugs really are. Just gangbangers by another name.

And if you don't think I haven't taken a stand, I got 21 years and 7 stripes that says you would be wrong on that account.


Extremist Muslim jihadists threaten our entire way of life. The problem is, civilized people have their heads stuck so far up their butts they have that "it happens to the other guy" attitude. But make no mistake ... ISIS is a part of Islam about as much as Fred Phelps represented the Baptist church. You have to see past the smoke and mirrors. These people are making money out of war.


Never said you haven't taken a stand. I have and do say I took one.
As of now I'll not break the law to fight these ffing savages, these murdering scum but if and when the times comes to fight I will be johnny on the spot and defend all that I hold dear = my family...
Their problem is I know how and will be more savage than they if I ever get started. Talk is cheap as they say but mine is not idle talk.
At my age I hope it never comes but know damn well its coming, just hope its when I can still do my part...
Aint in no damn hurry but I have no fear of dying--cause we all going to do it someday. Can not think of a better cause than that of defending my family. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

More proof of the muslim infiltration into nations to destroy then.
And they are going into high gear here in USA now too. Same tactics, same strategy as they are using in BRITAIN.
And why not, because of liberalism it works so well for them!-Tyr



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168511/Britain-s-biggest-police-force-demands-wanting-join-beat-bobby-bilingual-one-14-languages.html

Britain's biggest police force now demands that anyone wanting to join as a beat bobby has to be bilingual in one of 14 languages

New Met Police recruits must now be able to speak a second language
Commissioner said it was because 300 languages are spoken in London
But Scotland Yard criticised by a former officer and the public on Twitter
Concerns those from minority backgrounds will be put off from applying
By SAM TONKIN FOR MAILONLINE

Scotland Yard has come under fire today after placing an advert demanding that anyone wanting to join as a police officer be able to speak a second language.
The Metropolitan Police wants to bolster the number of officers able to speak and understand 14 languages which are widely used across London.
But the move has sparked criticism from a former officer and members of the public on Twitter.

Retired Met Police officer Chris Hobbs wrote: 'I've kept reading and re-reading it. Can't believe it. What about potential BME (black and minority ethnic) recruits who only speak English.'
He added: 'Won't this also adversely affect the recruitment of guys and girls from the black community whom we would like 2 [sic] see more of?'

After Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe set an ambitious target of having 40 per cent of all officers from Black and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, only 18 per cent met that criteria when the latest intake passed out in March.
According to a report published by the London Assembly Police and Crime Committee in December 2014, before the most recent recruitment campaign, only 11 per cent of officers serving in the Met were from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic background, compared with approximately 40 per cent of the population of London. The current BME figure in the Met is now 12 per cent.
Members of the public also appeared less than enthusiastic about the new initiative.
Simon Holdaway tweeted: 'The Met's lack of understanding of the problems it faces is stunning', while another user wrote: 'the lunatics have finally overtaken the asylum.'
Meanwhile, Carole Hawkins tweeted: 'For £19,000 a year, this country is now getting really stupid.'

As part of a month-long trial which started today, new recruits must speak English and one of Yoruba (Nigeria), Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi, Punjabi, Italian, German, Turkish, Greek, Spanish, Polish, Portuguese, Sinhala (Sri Lanka) or Bengali to join as Met Police officers.
Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said: 'We know that almost 300 languages are spoken in the capital. We need to recruit and deploy officers with second languages in areas where those languages are spoken.
'I believe it will help boost confidence, help to solve crime more effectively and support victims and witnesses.'
A Met Police spokesman said: 'It's a pilot scheme for four weeks. We will review it after four weeks and see what the take-up is and how successful it has been in terms of the number of people expressing an interest.
'With so many languages spoken in London we recognise that some of our victims, witnesses and others who come into contact with the police may not be fluent in English

This is about strengthening our capability to match the needs of some Londoners. We know there is a demonstrable link between the skills and capabilities of our workforce and public confidence in London's police.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168511/Britain-s-biggest-police-force-demands-wanting-join-beat-bobby-bilingual-one-14-languages.html#ixzz3k4xwIsM6
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This is about strengthening our capability to match the needs of some Londoners. We know there is a demonstrable link between the skills and capabilities of our workforce and public confidence in London's police.

^^ NO! Its about giving the non-whites, the non-Native born , the muslims more and more power!
Its about setting the foundation for the London police to eventually become an enforcement arm for the vastly growing Sharia population in Britain and to enforce its edicts against the infidels(non-muslims)!

They will do the same here ,may take a bit longer but the same.
And they will do it with fed government blessings, support and financing IMHO.-Tyr

[Gunny]

More proof of the muslim infiltration into nations to destroy then.
And they are going into high gear here in USA now too. Same tactics, same strategy as they are using in BRITAIN.
And why not, because of liberalism it works so well for them!-Tyr





^^ NO! Its about giving the non-whites, the non-Native born , the muslims more and more power!
Its about setting the foundation for the London police to eventually become an enforcement arm for the vastly growing Sharia population in Britain and to enforce its edicts against the infidels(non-muslims)!

They will do the same here ,may take a bit longer but the same.
And they will do it with fed government blessings, support and financing IMHO.-Tyr

We're just as bad. Try getting a job in the SW US without being bilingual. Talk about discrimination. You get paid more for being bilingual here. PC at it's finest.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We're just as bad. Try getting a job in the SW US without being bilingual. Talk about discrimination. You get paid more for being bilingual here. PC at it's finest.

I was applying for a job back in 91'. My good friend worked there in the office and begged me to come apply as they were going to hire 8 people and I was 100% qualified. Long story short , I went, applied and all went well. I was not hired.. I ask my friend Jason, what could be the reason. He found out and told me next day.
They had 8 people to hire.
They had decided to hire
5 BLACKS
2 MEXICAN
1 FEMALE

I being white had no chance from the start but they will never put up a sign-----saying if white do NOT apply because we hire minorities and thus shaft you! We shaft you because the Fed government require that we do so..

I've seen this ffing shat first hand for a longtime...
No longer does top ability and past record of great performance/attendance matter as much as skin color does.

That is the dem so-called equality in action!!!
Tis why I so dearly hate the arrogant and stupid ffing scum..... -Tyr

[Gunny]

I was applying for a job back in 91'. My good friend worked there in the office and begged me to come apply as they were going to hire 8 people and I was 100% qualified. Long story short , I went, applied and all went well. I was not hired.. I ask my friend Jason, what could be the reason. He found out and told me next day.
They had 8 people to hire.
They had decided to hire
5 BLACKS
2 MEXICAN
1 FEMALE

I being white had no chance from the start but they will never put up a sign-----saying if white do apply because we hire minorities and thus shaft you! We shaft you because the Fed government require that we do so..

I've seen this ffing shat first hand for a longtime...
No longer does top ability and past record of great performance/attendance matter as much as skin color does.

That is the dem so-called equality in action!!!
Tis why I so dearly hate the arrogant and stupid ffing scum..... -Tyr

Try being a qualified LT in the Maine corps and being passed over because of racial quotas. Stark reality no one wants to address. The less qualified black LT gets the promotion because he's a minority quota. If they're lucky, he is a she so they can fill two minority quotas at once.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

More proof of what I saw coming and why I took my stand!!



http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?51552-Colleges-brainwash-students-into-believing-9-11-was-our-fault&p=762082#post762082





http://nypost.com/2015/09/06/revisionist-history-of-911-being-taught-to-our-college-students/

Colleges brainwash students into believing 9/11 was our fault
By Paul Sperry September 6, 2015 | 6:00am


Not all of us will be mourning 9/11 victims and their families this Friday on the 14th anniversary of the attacks. Hundreds of college kids across the country will instead be taught to sympathize with the terrorists.
That’s because their America-hating leftist professors are systematically indoctrinating them into believing it’s all our fault, that the US deserved punishment for “imperialism” — and the kids are too young to remember or understand what really happened that horrific day.
Case in point is a freshman-level English class taught at several major universities across the country called “The Literature of 9/11” — which focuses almost entirely on writings from the perspective of the Islamic terrorists, rather than the nearly 3,000 Americans who were slaughtered by them.
The syllabus, which includes books like “The Reluctant Fundamentalist” and “Poems from Guantanamo: Detainees Speak,” portray terrorists as “freedom fighters” driven by oppressive US foreign policies.
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Even highly ranked University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has adopted the curriculum. The 9/11 seminar is taught by UNC associate English professor Neel Ahuja, who specializes in “post-colonial studies.”
In Ahuja’s twisted worldview, al Qaeda terrorists are the real victims. “Abu Zubaydah’s torture may be interpreted as simply one more example of the necropower of US imperialism, the power to coerce and kill targeted populations,” Ahuja recently wrote in an academic paper criticizing the war on terror.
He says America’s depiction of the 9/11 terrorists as “monsters” is merely an attempt to “animalize” them as insects and justify “squashing” them in “a fantasy of justice.”
This colonialist “construct” of an “animalized enemy,” he added, “dovetails with the work of mourning the nation after 9/11 (which in the logic of security must be made perpetual, melancholic).” To him, it’s all cynically designed to justify more “imperial violence” against “Muslim, Arab and South Asian men.”
Ahuja goes on to decry the US “colonization” of Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan, along with “aerial bombing (and) indefinite detention” of al Qaeda terrorists at Gitmo. In other writings, the professor bashes Israel and sides with Palestinian terrorists, further revealing his agenda.
He clearly has an ax to grind, which critics say the university gives him license to exercise through “The Literature of 9/11” curriculum.
A group of concerned UNC students has complained to administrators that the 9/11 course, also taught at the University of Maryland and other campuses, is being used to brainwash impressionable underclassmen.
“These readings offer points of view that justify terrorism, paint the United States and its government as wholly evil and immoral and desecrate the memory of the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks,” the UNC College Republicans said in a recent letter to Chancellor Carol Folt.

“There is not a single reading required that focuses on the lives of the victims, the victim’s [sic] families, American soldiers (or) families of American soldiers,” they added. “Nor is there a perspective that portrays the United States as acting in good faith before, during and after the Sept. 11 attacks.”
The course, moreover, “does not teach students how to think, it teaches them what to think,” the letter continued. “And the material it presents is an apologetic for the violence and murder against the United States.”
The university replied that freshmen should be exposed to differing points of view, even radical ones.
“Part of the college experience is the opportunity to learn from those who have differing points of view. Carolina’s first-year seminar program is part of that growth,” the administration said in a press statement, while insisting “the university isn’t forcing a set of beliefs on students.”
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But several students who have taken the course warned in a professor review blog that Ahuja, who earns $72,100 a year spewing his unAmerican propaganda, does not tolerate dissent.
“He favors kids who share his views, so learn to do that,” said one reviewer. “A very interesting guy, just don’t disagree with him.”
Added another student, in a January 2014 post: “I would avoid contradicting him openly.”
“AGREE WITH HIS STANCE IN YOUR PAPERS!!!!!” advised another in November.
What’s happening in Chapel Hill is not isolated. Presenting terrorists in a sympathetic light and the US as an imperialist nation is standard fare. This is what, in varying degrees, most college kids are learning today, all over the country.
Paul Sperry, a visiting media fellow at the Hoover Institution, is author of “Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington.”
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The university replied that freshmen should be exposed to differing points of view, even radical ones.


Exposed? or indoctrinated into? The authority and presumed truth maintain by the prestige of the university and its teachers
will naturally give greater credit/credence to the ideas and propaganda espoused by the leftist, socialists, terrorists and other anti-american scum!
This is nothing but further liberal "hate America first' indoctrination and these lying university bastards all know it.
They just depend on the ignorant masses falling for their insanely defensive lies about such activities.
IMHO they all should be fired and many of them actually jailed for pure and deliberate treason(as in their deliberately aiding of our enemies muslim terrorists).. --Tyr
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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?51623-Pastor-Wilson-students-being-brainwashed-with-Islam





http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/wilson/2015/09/11/pastor-wilson-students-being-brainwashed-islam/72074178/


Pastor: Wilson students being brainwashed with Islam
Andy Humbles, ahumbles@tennessean.com 8:28 p.m. CDT September 11, 2015

A Mt. Juliet pastor went on video with concerns Wilson County Schools is indoctrinating and brainwashing students with Islam through its curriculum, which generated a denial by the district on its Facebook page.

Pastor Greg Locke of Global Vision Bible Church filmed the video in front of West Wilson Middle School, which was posted on his Facebook page. The video was also on the Parents of Wilson County Schools page.

Locke said church families were concerned and upset about middle school students being taught “a half-page of watered down Christianity,” in sixth grade and then are taught 28 pages of Islamic curriculum.

“We have a number of our families at our church that are really upset and up and arms over all of this new Islamic indoctrination in our public school system,” Locke said early in the video. Later he states:
"That is nothing more than absolute brainwashing of religion and we're not going to stand for it."
Wilson County Schools Director Donna Wright responded on the district’s Facebook page and called Locke’s claims blatantly false and stated his video was done to intentionally incite parents and the community.

“No one in any Wilson County School is teaching any indoctrination of Islam or of any world religion for that matter,” Wright said. “To imply or state otherwise shows a lack of knowledge about the standards used in our schools.”

Greg Locke

Locke, contacted Friday, did not back off statements in the video and felt curriculum has gone too far teaching fundamentals of Islam while Christianity is glossed over. He also stated students are being taught different religions worship the same God.

"It's straight up indoctrination, I'm not backing off that," he said Friday.

Christianity, Judaism, Muslim, Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism and Shinto, are covered in grades six and seven, and again in high school, according to Wilson County Schools Deputy Director of Academics Monty Wilson in the Facebook response.

“Although these religions will be taught at some point in these three courses, the focus on each religion will depend on the context and influence of the time period,” Wilson said. “World History is taught at three different times in a student’s K-12 education. First in grades six and seven and again in high school. The courses cover World History from the beginning of time to the present.”

Donna Wright

The response also states the content of religion Tennessee social studies standards isn’t new, but the sequence has been revised with State Board of Education approval in July 2013.
Locke also called a scheduled test on Islamic curriculum for Friday, Sept. 11, as a “slap in the face,” and said in the video he told parents "you need to tell your kids take an F for the class because I’d rather fail in man’s class and get an A plus in God’s class and we need some kids that have some character and stand up.”

I pointed out that this was coming in my thread, I Take My Stand OVER 3 YEARS AGO..

ACADEMIA IS FAVORING ISLAM OVER ANY AND ALL OTHER RELIGIONS...

We should be looking into why and demanding this insanity stop!

Later will be too late!!!

Who saw this coming ? Saw it at my other forum 5 long years before posting about it here.
Every time there that I made a strong post about it, some lib mod deleted that post.
Muslim appeasers-dem/lib/leftists will be the ruin of this nation IMHO...
HARD AND COLD JUSTICE SHOULD BE SERVED UNTO THEM AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!! -Tyr

[Gunny]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?51623-Pastor-Wilson-students-being-brainwashed-with-Islam

Later is ALWAYS too late for us. We end up paying 100x the price in after thought than if we'd just be proactive.

Iran's going to bite us in the ass so hard it ain't going to be funny when could could just kick their asses NOW.

[Gunny]

What these people don't get is: my daughter's feet are already jacked because of Iraq. Now this moron useless, unamerican so-called President has dragged it into my granddaughter's ages?

Fuck him. I hope he chokes and dies. And I hope it takes awhile.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What these people don't get is: my daughter's feet are already jacked because of Iraq. Now this moron useless, unamerican so-called President has dragged it into my granddaughter's ages?

Fuck him. I hope he chokes and dies. And I hope it takes awhile.

Careful there, perhaps some residing weasel here will report that post to the FBI.
NAMING NO NAMES AS TO WHO WOULD DO THAT IN MY OPINION BUT
F orget not J oke not.. just sayin' .... ;)--Tyr

[Gunny]

Careful there, perhaps some residing weasel here will report that post to the FBI.
NAMING NO NAMES AS TO WHO WOULD DO THAT IN MY OPINION BUT
F orget not J oke not.. just sayin' .... ;)--Tyr

Was waiting for THAT response. Report me. I didn't say I was going to do anything. I'm not PC, and last I checked, the 1st Amendment still applies. If he drops dead, it's on HIM, not me.

I'm not going to do anything to his sorry ass. He just ain't worth it. All I've ever said is put him in the octagon with me. Legal, one-on-one confrontation. Got to sign a contract to walk through the gate.

[Gunny]

Oh, and he thinks he can play ball too. I'd LOVE THAT. I'd duct tape my knees to get out there and school his ass.

But, I got this 3 months old baby that thinks I'm the bomb. THAT is what it's all about. It's what we fight for. A moron president who lied his way into office and the left STILL voted for him? Oh yeah, I retired last time I had to serve one.

[Black Diamond]

Was waiting for THAT response. Report me. I didn't say I was going to do anything. I'm not PC, and last I checked, the 1st Amendment still applies. If he drops dead, it's on HIM, not me.

I'm not going to do anything to his sorry ass. He just ain't worth it. All I've ever said is put him in the octagon with me. Legal, one-on-one confrontation. Got to sign a contract to walk through the gate.

When did duels become illegal?

[Black Diamond]

When did duels become illegal?

And the better question may be why

[Gunny]

When did duels become illegal?

I think 1798. However, signing a disclaimer and getting into a ring is STILL legal.

Just means I have to beat your ass instead of shooting you at 20 paces with a .32 dueling pistol. Hell, I'd rather use a sword.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Was waiting for THAT response. Report me. I didn't say I was going to do anything. I'm not PC, and last I checked, the 1st Amendment still applies. If he drops dead, it's on HIM, not me.

I'm not going to do anything to his sorry ass. He just ain't worth it. All I've ever said is put him in the octagon with me. Legal, one-on-one confrontation. Got to sign a contract to walk through the gate.

EIGHT YEARS AGO A LIBERAL AT MY OLD FORUM POSTED ABUT 10 TIMES IN THE SPICE OF THREE MONTHS TIME THAT HE WAS REPORTING MY PREVIOUS POSTS TO THE FBI. :laugh::laugh:
I shot back, go ahead to hell with them too! Freedom of speech fool and my wishing or praying something happen is not me threatening to actually do that something. The liberal asswipe crying and trying to deter me from exercising my free speech rights was not ever warned by admin there to knock it off but I was warned for daring to reply to his crap and daring to call him fool- a word that was not banned there. In fact was that word and worse in daily usage there.

By the way, read my post again and check those two capital letters at the end of it. . ;)--Tyr

[Gunny]

EIGHT YEARS AGO A LIBERAL AT MY OLD FORUM POSTED ABUT 10 TIMES IN THE SPICE OF THREE MONTHS TIME THAT HE WAS REPORTING MY PREVIOUS POSTS TO THE FBI. :laugh::laugh:
I shot back, go ahead to hell with them too! Freedom of speech fool and my wishing or praying something happen is not me threatening to actually do that something. The liberal asswipe crying and trying to deter me from exercising my free speech rights was not ever warned by admin there to knock it off but I was warned for daring to reply to his crap and daring to call him fool- a word that was not banned there. In fact was that word and worse in daily usage there.

By the way, read my post again and check those two capital letters at the end of it. . ;)--Tyr

This what I can say about THAT, I learned once I was retired and worked as an electrician in the FBI building in SA is that I have a higher security clearance than most of their stooges. Those little MIB goofs can come after me if they want. Kindergartners scare me more. What are they going to do? Shave my head and make me join the Marine Corps? Deploy me on my birthday and make me miss my youngest daughter learning to walk and talk?

Unlike another person we all know and idiots will still vote for and are giving her a pass, I know the law, what I am allowed to say, and I ain't got my own personal server. You can get an interim Secret clearance as a dumbass -- which is what all those FBI wannabe's have -- but they take your life apart for a higher clearance. THAT is what aggravates me about this. There is NO excuse. You don't NOT know what is classified. It doesn't have to be marked. That lame shit is going over like a lead balloon here. What concerns me more than her transparent bullshit is the people that will still vote for her.

BUT .. all I've done is threaten to take him on in legal contests. BFD.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is Islam in its unvarnished reality. It is what the Koran commands and its coming here and tis why I started this thread over three years ago! Read this and then consider its abject brutality ,disregard for human lie and utter insanity! Yet we have members here still try to defend Islam!


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610676/Islamic-State-ISIS-executioner-The-Bulldozer-torture-Free-Syrian-Army-teen
Islamic-State-ISIS-executioner-The-Bulldozer-torture-Free-Syrian-Army-teen


The man mountain jihadi strung the 14-year-old boy up and subjected him to unimaginable abuse, all because he refused to join the ranks of the fanatical hate group.

The youngster, called Omar, was helping a moderate group of rebels in its battle against brutal Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad when he was captured by the cruel jihadis.

They imprisoned him in their stronghold of Mosul, northern Iraq, and demanded that he join their cause.

When the courageous teenager refused, the fanatics called in their most fearsome executioner to perform the most horrific acts of torture on him, often in public.

At one point during the horrific six-week campaign of abuse 'The Bulldozer' - who covers his face to hide his identity - hacked off the boy's hand and foot in front of a baying crowd before taking photographs of the mutilation to sell to his distraught family for £130 a time.

Omar, whose name has been changed for his own protection, said he has "given up on life" following his harrowing ordeal.

He told a Channel 4 documentary: “They gathered the people, they tied down my hand and my leg. They put my hand on a wooden block cut it off with a butcher’s knife.

"Then they cut off my foot and put both of them in front of me for me to see."

In another sign of the jihadis' growing desperation to recruit new members to their cause, Omar said ISIS fighters repeatedly asked him why he would not join their group.

He said: “I was strung up and tortured for a month and a half.

“They were saying ‘Why don’t you pledge allegiance to Islamic State? Why don’t you fight against the non-Muslims with us?’ But they are slaughtering Muslims."

The youngster was captured by ISIS whilst running food and medical supplies to the frontline for the Syrian Free Army, which has been backed by Britain and America, in the Deir Ezzor province of Syria.

His torturer, known as 'The Bulldozer of Fallujah', is one of ISIS' most feared and recognisable jihadis.

The giant fanatic, whose real identity and nationality is unknown, is a celebrity figure amongst the hate group and carries a giant machine gun so heavy it usually has to be mounted on a pick-up truck.

Alongside British executioner Jihadi John - real name Mohammed Emwazi - he is one of ISIS' most prized propaganda assets and has featured in a number of videos pumped out by the hate group.

Click the link and view what these stinking monsters do and are!
And know this--they are Islam! They are exactly what it does when it has control!-Tyr
That control is ever growing our nation led and promoted by dem party, libs/leftists , the obama and CAIR! Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://10news.dk/?p=1931

Denmark: 77 percent of Muslims think that the Quran’s instructions must be
“applied fully”

OCTOBER 12, 2015 , BY NICOLAI SENNELS

Research show that Islam is the only religion where people become more violent,
the more they practise their faith.

Translated from JP:

“Muslims in Denmark have begun to pay more attention to their religion and religious
practices.

This shows a poll among Muslims in Denmark … which is comparable to a similar measure
for almost 10 years ago in 2006.

Back then it was 37 per cent., who prayed daily five times or more. Now 50 per cent are
praying five times a day or more. Similarly, an increasing proportion – 77 per cent.
– think that the Quran’s instructions must be applied fully against 62 per cent.
in 2006. Finally, there are also some
who believe that Muslim girls from adolescence should cover themselves with headscarves.“

^^^^^^^^^^^ Coming here soon, far too soooooooooon! The obama is importing them in by the hundreds of thousands.
This thread was started over 3 years ago and everything I predicted and warned about in regards To Islam's evil, its nation destroying agenda, its infiltration into the dem party , etc. has come to pass..
And do not worry--the obama will soon do even far more outrageous shat for these stinking vermin! -Tyr

[Gunny]

^^^^^^^^^^^ Coming here soon, far too soooooooooon! The obama is importing them in by the hundreds of thousands.
This thread was started over 3 years ago and everything I predicted and warned about in regards To Islam's evil, its nation destroying agenda, its infiltration into the dem party , etc. has come to pass..
And do not worry--the obama will soon do even far more outrageous shat for these stinking vermin! -Tyr

I'd like to know how we can get these limpdick leftwingnut punks a one-way ticket to NW Iraq.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'd like to know how we can get these limpdick leftwingnut punks a one-way ticket to NW Iraq.

Or to Syria-because their boy obama is hellbent on helping THE MUSLIMS WIN SO THE STINKING MUSLIM CALIPHATE CAN BE BORN.
SEND THEIR SORRY ASSES THERE AND LET PUTIN'S BOYS SHOOT 'EM U REAL GOOD. :beer: :beer:

RUSSIAN LEADER ACTUALLY IS HITTING ISIS WHILE BAMBASTARD ONLY PRETENDS TO DO SO-
75/80% of our airstrike missions are coming back fully loaded !!
Thats by design my friend. As was all that heavy armor(U.S.) left for ISIS to just walk in grab and start using. Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Bumped for the Rev. to find and read..

[Gunny]

Bumped for the Rev. to find and read..

It's not as long as one of his posts. :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It's not as long as one of his posts. :laugh:

I myself often feel the same.... :laugh:

Rev is a big believer in winning by volume. And man can he ever dish it out..-:laugh:-Tyr

[revelarts]

I myself often feel the same.... :laugh:

Rev is a big believer in winning by volume. And man can he ever dish it out..-:laugh:-Tyr

Ahem.. I try to win by the facts. but often I just can't say.
"the constitution says XYZ therefore you are wrong."
end of post

i have to spend time finding other republicans you guys respect who say the same,
find a places where fox news says it, or said it in the past,
finding supreme court cases that back it up,
finding foundering fathers that said the same,
showing from the bible even why it's the right POV,
showing from history of other countries why it was it is good or bad.
Show historical docs, news reported, eyewitness reports, scientific reports etc etc

but still with all the evidence i can muster for my POV, i rarely make a dent in anyones thinking.
And some people get pissed off even.

I may as well keep it short.

[Perianne]

Ahem.. I try to win by the facts. but often I just can't say.
"the constitution says XYZ therefore you are wrong."
end of post

i have to spend time finding other republicans you guys respect who say the same,
find a places where fox news says it, or said it in the past,
finding supreme court cases that back it up,
finding foundering fathers that said the same,
showing from the bible even why it's the right POV,
showing from history of other countries why it was it is good or bad.

but still with all the evidence i can muster for my POV, i rarely make a dent in anyones thinking.
And some people get pissed off even.

I may as well keep it short.

I read what you write.

[Abbey Marie]

Ahem.. I try to win by the facts. but often I just can't say.
"the constitution says XYZ therefore you are wrong."
end of post

i have to spend time finding other republicans you guys respect who say the same,
find a places where fox news says it, or said it in the past,
finding supreme court cases that back it up,
finding foundering fathers that said the same,
showing from the bible even why it's the right POV,
showing from history of other countries why it was it is good or bad.
Show historical docs, news reported, eyewitness reports, scientific reports etc etc

but still with all the evidence i can muster for my POV, i rarely make a dent in anyones thinking.
And some people get pissed off even.

I may as well keep it short.


You know we love ya, Rev! But pithiness IS underrated. :cool:

[revelarts]

...But pithiness IS underrated. :cool:

And a hard skill to master.
Maybe Tyr you can give me some poetry lessons . poets can narrow down and give multi meanings in a few words.

[Abbey Marie]

And a hard skill to master.
Maybe Tyr you can give me some poetry lessons . poets can narrow down and give multi meanings in a few words.


Man! I thought I would be your choice.

:p :unsure:

[revelarts]

Man! I thought I would be your choice.

:p :unsure:

I didn't even know you were poet too. my bad.
sorry Tyr you're out of a gig.

[Gunny]

I read what you write.

No life, huh? :laugh:

[Gunny]

Ahem.. I try to win by the facts. but often I just can't say.
"the constitution says XYZ therefore you are wrong."
end of post

i have to spend time finding other republicans you guys respect who say the same,
find a places where fox news says it, or said it in the past,
finding supreme court cases that back it up,
finding foundering fathers that said the same,
showing from the bible even why it's the right POV,
showing from history of other countries why it was it is good or bad.
Show historical docs, news reported, eyewitness reports, scientific reports etc etc

but still with all the evidence i can muster for my POV, i rarely make a dent in anyones thinking.
And some people get pissed off even.

I may as well keep it short.

Here's one for you, rev... for those that are going to agree with you, short and sweet and make your point works. For those that are not going to agree with you, there aren't enough words to change their minds

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I didn't even know you were poet too. my bad.
sorry Tyr you're out of a gig.

Well all that tis for the best methinks
Abbey being so very bright and witty
My poetry would have you seeing shrinks
and begging for needed relief and pity...- ;)

Now you have me playing second fiddle, waiting for Abbey's first poem... ;)----Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

I didn't even know you were poet too. my bad.
sorry Tyr you're out of a gig.


Unfortunately, I have no such talent. Tyr's your guy for that.

But pithiness and poetry are not one and the same.

[Gunny]

Unfortunately, I have no such talent. Tyr's your guy for that.

But pithiness and poetry are not one and the same.

Sure it can be:

A yellow bird
with a yellow bill
landed on
my windowsill
I lured him in
with crumbs of bread
and then I crushed
his f-ing head.

:)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

unfortunately, i have no such talent. Tyr's your guy for that.

But pithiness and poetry are not one and the same.

just for rev., my attempt to imitate him, as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.-tyr



http://jacketmagazine.com/40/middleton-long-poem.shtml

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peter middleton

the longing of the long poem


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modernist long poems resist the support institutions of poetry. Expensive to print; tricky to handle digitally; too long to be read in their entirety at poetry readings; too big for anthologies; much too big for little magazines to be able to publish anything but short sections; almost always too long to teach within the constraints of a timetable; exorbitantly demanding of a reader’s time; and sometimes barely readable until extended scholarly labours have provided guides and critical readings. And yet the long poem continues to represent the peak of poetic achievement just as early epics did. What accounts for the persistence of the modern long poem given its apparent drawbacks? To try to answer this question we would need to gain some idea of what makes for a long poem and one place to start is with endings.
2
most long poems end badly. Writers of long poems may wish they could say, like hugh macdiarmid at the end of ‘in memoriam james joyce,’ ‘and so i come to the end of this poem’, but for reasons internal to the working of the composition the end is more usually an awkward, offhand parting, and suprisingly inarticulate compared to what has gone before. [1] the conclusive wrap of wallace stevens’s ‘notes toward a supreme fiction’ — ‘you will have stopped revolving except in crystal’ — is the exception, perhaps because ‘notes’ is short for a long poem, and even then it spoils the perfection of its finale by adding an apologetic afterthought, justifying poetry in the face of social crisis with an implausible image of ‘the soldier’ living or dying with ‘proper words.’ [2] the cantos also has two endings, both unsatisfactory. The penultimate quasi-ending is given the unpromising provisional title ‘notes for cxvii et seq.’ and finishes with an orphaned line — ‘to be men not destroyers’ — a worthy enough sentiment, similar in spirit to stevens’s second ending, but not a compelling resolution to either the canto or the entire long poem. [3] following this ending is a short piece entitled ‘fragment (1966)’, a brief celebration of olga rudge, that concludes: ‘these lines are for the / ultimate canto // whatever i may write / in the interim.’ the ultimate canto — what a wonderful idea! Zukofsky’s “a” also has two endings: ‘a 23’ ends with a suitably self-reflexive line — ‘z-sited path are but us’; and its effect is then immediately swept aside by celia zukofsky’s mash-up of zukofsky’s own writings, a 24, which itself ends in bathos, with two overlaid voices saying ‘new gloves, mother?’, and ‘i wonder that makes thee so loved /’. [4] the maximus poems also has two endings whose combined effect after the vast intellectual claims made for the poet’s heroic researches into gloucester and the founding of america, is at best pathos : ‘mother earth alone,’ and then on a separate page, ‘my wife my car my color and myself’ (a pathos verging on bathos when he alludes to the loss of his car). [5] however exhausted the poet and the form, these poems don’t want to end. They long for more.
3
more recent long poems are wary of anything that might hint at a gesture like macdiarmid’s, let alone leave the reader with a crystalline qed, and so end with as little conclusivity as possible. The dominant impression is that the poem could have been even longer. Ron silliman’s tjanting ends: ‘what then?’. Allen fisher’s extremely long poem ‘gravity as a consequence of shape’ ends: ‘prospect of the feeling that should be left / been protected for its inaccessability.’ lyn hejinian’s a border comedy ends: ‘and the teller’s intention — believe it or not / is fortune given / living always.’ the ending of bruce andrews’s lip service — ‘let’s start all over stars’ — conveys the general spirit of these endings. [6]
4
if you tell me a novel or a film is long, i know you mean long for a novel or long for a film, and that their actual respective lengths are likely to be of different orders of magnitude, and i also know that you are not referring to the number of pages or the length of the reel of film, although these might be indicative of what you are measuring, which is relative duration of the time required for reception of either (with this in mind i measure the cantos as about 116 metres long, compared with tjanting at only 38 metres.). A long sentence like the previous one only takes seconds to read; a long film might mean sitting for longer than is comfortable but the likelihood is that you would watch it in one sitting in a cinema; and a long novel (think of proust or joyce) is likely to take weeks rather than days, and to be fitted around other activities. Proust’s brother is reported to have said: ‘the sad thing is that people have to be very ill or have broken a leg in order to have the opportunity to read in search of lost time.’ [7] what does it take to read the cantos, and other very long poems (vlps) such as the maximus poems, in memoriam james joyce, a border comedy, flow chart, eunoia, gravity as a consequence of shape, or day? A bout of flu, a vacation at the beach, a grant for research leave, or just a lot of free evenings?
5
what might it require to read kenneth goldsmith’s day, one of the most controversial recent vlps? Molly schwartzberg is honest: ‘stephen cain says what many likely think: That in day, “the gesture is perhaps more enjoyable as a concept than as a reading experience.”’ she demurs in an interesting extended reflection on the experience of reading day in which she equates the long poem with difficulty and boredom, qualities that she transvalues:
6
i find day to be utterly compelling, but not for the reasons i expected to when i first received my copy. When i first opened it, i assumed that all my years of reading contemporary poetry that is densely linguistic, often affectless, and frequently long, would help me; we readers of contemporary poetic practice know hard reading, we know intentional boredom. But it turns out that it’s not my avant-garde training that came in handy. My own willingness/drive/capacity to read all of goldsmith’s books straight through has at least as much to do with my traditional literary background; as i reread the books this spring, i was most helped by just having finished a year of teaching a “great books” curriculum. After nine months of classics like inferno, don quixote, capital and the plague, goldsmith’s books are familiar — both in their physical size, and in the kind of sustained attention — concentration upon multiple layers of plot, language, and argument over hundreds of pages — that they require. Certainly my eyes glazed over as i worked through day’s stock quotes, but not much more than they did as i attempted to follow the denser bits of marx’s complex economic theories. A number of critics have noted that goldsmith’s books have the heft of reference books. But when i look on my own bookshelves, i see that they are closer in size to my copies of magic mountain, moby dick, and remembrance of things past. [8]

7
we might note that goldsmith himself is aware of the problems of the reader, and warns drily that ‘there is no reason to suppose, however, that the conceptual writer is out to bore the reader.’ [9] schwartzberg captures one of the key features of the experience of reading the long poem, the saturation of the reader’s cognitive space with an abstract repetitive form whose content is an ever varying semantic field. As andrea brady says of raworth’s long poems, ‘the long sequences also test our ability to hold the poem’s apparently limitless relational capabilities in our head.’ [10] managing limitless relations has been understood to be a self-conscious feature of the modern novel at least since henry james, who wrote in the preface to roderick hudson: ‘really, universally, relations stop nowhere, and the exquisite problem of the artist is eternally but to draw, by a geometry of his own, the circle within which they shall happily appear to do so.’ [11] one can almost hear the invitation to later writers to experiment by extending the circle until unhappiness appears.
8
what significance does the adjective ‘long’ carry when we talk about the long poem? Is it literal or metaphorical, or a more or less implicit proper name (a disavowed categorisation that really means ‘modernist’ or ‘world-encompassing’); and whichever of these best describes the work of this measure, is it then a value (never mind the length feel the quality), or a category (a capacious genre perhaps subsuming epics, narratives, sequences, and oulipian behemoths), or a metonym for some extended poetic theory (having semantic parallels with the adjectives in terms such as ‘action painting’ or ‘minimalist music’, adjectives whose everyday usage is only an oblique guide to these aesthetic practices)? Or maybe scale does directly result in aesthetic consequence, so that the long poem is as it were orchestral to the chamber scale of the lyric poem? Only a vlp will keep the warriors occupied during the feasting; or to translate this into contemporary idioms, only a vlp can be apotropaic towards the dangers of subject-based, expressive, or confessional verse.
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it turns out that the short poem, the lyric, also has definitional issues. The january 2008 issue of pmla reveals a widespread concern about the inadequacy of our concepts and definitions of the lyric. Jonathan culler reminds us that rene wellek once wrote that it is impossible to define the lyric because ‘nothing beyond generalities of the tritest kind can result from it.’ [12] does the same fate await anyone attempting to define the long poem? Might we find ourselves merely describing a normative cultural ideal as virginia jackson warns: ‘when the stipulative functions of particular genres are collapsed into one big idea of poems as lyrics, then the only function poems can perform in our culture is to become individual or communal ideals.’ [13]
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in the same issue, robert kaufman offers a reading of benjamin and adorno on lyric poetry, in which he argues that the use of language in lyric poetry enables it ‘to subjectivize it, affectively to stretch conceptuality’s bounds in order to make something that seems formally like a concept but that does something that ordinary, “objective” concepts generally do not do: Sing’. [14] accepting for a moment the insight based on adorno’s essay on lyric, what by analogy might the long poem be doing? Could we argue that the modern long poem makes the extended discursivity of written modes such as argument and narrative (as myth, story or history), sing too? Does ‘language’s chimerical yearning for the impossible’ that adorno hears in stefan george have a counterpart longing in long poems? If, as adorno believes, the ‘lyric poem is always the subjective expression of a social antagonism’ (45) and ‘in the lyric poem the subject, through its identification with language negates both its opposition to society as something merely monadological and its mere functioning within a wholly socialized society’(44), what happens in the long poem? Where, we might say, does the subject go? Who or what is doing the singing?
11
lyric poems are not usually called ‘short poems.’ the two literary genres most commonly defined by their length are the short story and the long poem, and in both cases the adjectival measure appears to indicate that this is only a genre in the sense that some texts fail to qualify for inclusion in the properly constituted genres of the novel and the lyric. Brevity prevents the short story from achieving the narrative scale necessary to achieve the exit velocity of a novel; excessive length prevents the long poem from sustaining the lyric intensity of a short poem (and hence achieving those very different special possibilities that adorno — and edgar allen poe — espoused in the lyric). Long poems, apart from epics, which are arguably a historical form only practised in partially oral cultures, are like short stories, excess to requirements, a wilderness of weeds outside the garden, a heterogeneous field that does not lend itself to definition, and frequently take advantage of this absence of expectation of any defining characteristic, whether through unconventional prosody, theme, structure, form of address, performativity, or visual appearance.
12
is this the point, that the interest of the long poem lies in its visible display of non-conformity because there are no rules comparable to those for sonnets, lyrics, ballads, quatrains and sestinas? Are long poems wild poems that transcend precedent and convention, and are not condemned to repeat history? In the pmla collection, rei terada cautions against this type of enthusiasm as far as the lyric is concerned: ‘although the critique of lyric is necessary as long as we need to be convinced that its construction has been a problem, we may be past that moment in lyric studies — at a point at which, no longer approaching lyric ontologically or defensively, we should be able to do something besides talk about how other people believe in its ontology.’ [15] is the same true of long poem studies? Can we talk about something other than the ontology or cultural ideals of the long poem?
13
if anything can happen in a long poem, reading may require induction into the peculiar practices of a specific long poem. ‘begin ephebe, by perceiving the idea / of this invention, this invented world’, as stevens starts his own long poem, notes toward a supreme fiction. Perhaps we are all ephebes when we start reading an unfamiliar long poem; certainly the close kinship between long poems and the academy might suggest this. It can be hard work to gain our credentials as a competent reader, which points to a wider issue, the question of just what vlps require as their conditions of existence.
14
to understand the importance of considering the entire context of creation and reception of long poems it is helpful to compare long poems to toasters. Harvey molotch, the great sociologist of consumer goods, uses the toaster as an example of what he calls ‘stuff’, this ‘vast blanket of things — coffeepots and laptops, window fittings, lamps and fence finials, cars, hat pins, and hand trucks — that make up economies, mobilize desire, and so stir controversy.’ [16] where do these things th

[Gunny]

just for rev., my attempt to imitate him, as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.-tyr

Hold your breath til I read that crap.:laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

hold your breath til i read that crap.:laugh:

you are a bit slow hoss, the rev already read it and is prepping his very in depth reply on it now as we speak!!-;)-tyr

[Gunny]

you are a bit slow hoss, the rev already read it and is prepping his very in depth reply on it now as we speak!!-;)-tyr

Trash day tomorrow. I'm consolidating between posts. :)

[Gunny]

Since the name of this thread is "I Take My Stand", I think I will.

Unless anyone's been living in a cave, I don't like Trump and I'm not going to. I've already made it clear I'll hold my nose and vote for the GOP candidate, even in a losing cause, to try and keep a Dem out of the WH. Questioning me on it and who I'm going to vote for is stupid. You can remember some innocuous BS but you don't ever seem to remember the basic stance. I can't stand McCain nor "Flip-flop" Romney, but I held my nose and voted for them.

The issue here is people trying to force others to like Trump. And Ill tell you the same thing I told my first 1stSgt ... you can bray all you want, but when you're fucking me in the ass, don't expect a smile out of me.

But I will NOT support people who are acting like the very thing they've been bitching about for 15 years. But you better find someone else to bully around while you're playing victim to 2-3 people on the board who disagree with your "you better act happy while you're taking it" BS.

[aboutime]

Since the name of this thread is "I Take My Stand", I think I will.

Unless anyone's been living in a cave, I don't like Trump and I'm not going to. I've already made it clear I'll hold my nose and vote for the GOP candidate, even in a losing cause, to try and keep a Dem out of the WH. Questioning me on it and who I'm going to vote for is stupid. You can remember some innocuous BS but you don't ever seem to remember the basic stance. I can't stand McCain nor "Flip-flop" Romney, but I held my nose and voted for them.

The issue here is people trying to force others to like Trump. And Ill tell you the same thing I told my first 1stSgt ... you can bray all you want, but when you're fucking me in the ass, don't expect a smile out of me.

But I will NOT support people who are acting like the very thing they've been bitching about for 15 years. But you better find someone else to bully around while you're playing victim to 2-3 people on the board who disagree with your "you better act happy while you're taking it" BS.


Gunny. The only ONE making any demands of you is....YOU. Constantly reminding us you were in uniform and talking to us like we are Fresh out of BOOT...doesn't impress us at all. You should know by now. YOU are no longer on active duty. So you should try and catch up with the rest of us...who have become civilians just like you. As for the Bitching. YOU seem to be the one DOING THE MOST, while threatening doesn't work anymore.

[Gunny]

Gunny. The only ONE making any demands of you is....YOU. Constantly reminding us you were in uniform and talking to us like we are Fresh out of BOOT...doesn't impress us at all. You should know by now. YOU are no longer on active duty. So you should try and catch up with the rest of us...who have become civilians just like you. As for the Bitching. YOU seem to be the one DOING THE MOST, while threatening doesn't work anymore.

Dude, if you're going to be passive aggressive, try to be good at it, huh? I'd have to stop and have chic=ken fried steak for lunch and a nap to let you catch up with me.

Where do you keep coming up with this threatening bullshit? Get real.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Since the name of this thread is "I Take My Stand", I think I will.

Unless anyone's been living in a cave, I don't like Trump and I'm not going to. I've already made it clear I'll hold my nose and vote for the GOP candidate, even in a losing cause, to try and keep a Dem out of the WH. Questioning me on it and who I'm going to vote for is stupid. You can remember some innocuous BS but you don't ever seem to remember the basic stance. I can't stand McCain nor "Flip-flop" Romney, but I held my nose and voted for them.

The issue here is people trying to force others to like Trump. And Ill tell you the same thing I told my first 1stSgt ... you can bray all you want, but when you're fucking me in the ass, don't expect a smile out of me.

But I will NOT support people who are acting like the very thing they've been bitching about for 15 years. But you better find someone else to bully around while you're playing victim to 2-3 people on the board who disagree with your "you better act happy while you're taking it" BS.

Not sure who this is addressed to but if it is addressed to me then best check your facts.
I play victim to nobody . Most posts I made here tonight between you and rev were all in good humor.
As to my bullying others , never have but always always went out of my way to defend others and stomp bullies asses out in the real world.

If not addressed to me then perhaps name some names and give some quotes .. -Tyr

[Gunny]

Not sure who this is addressed to but if it is addressed to me then best check your facts.
I play victim to nobody . Most posts I made here tonight between you and rev were all in good humor.
As to my bullying others , never have but always always went out of my way to defend others and stomp bullies asses out in the real world.

If not addressed to me then perhaps name some names and give some quotes .. -Tyr


I addressed ir to the topic. No one. I'm just tired of all this crap. Apparently, if you aren't a Trump kiss ass you aren't welcome here. About time to dump the boards again. I'm sick of being attacked. I don't have the time. I don't care who likes who and I've never made an issue of it until people started acting like Nazis about who you're supposed to support. It seems you're entitled to you opinion only if your opinion goes along along to get along.

That ain't me and never has been. If I won't take shit off a LtGen in the Corps, I sure ain't taking it off a bunch of jerks on a message board.

And you know me. I'm a southern boy. Come in my yard and talk your trash. Words on a a screen mean nothing.

And the so called right that's sold out ? Ain't worth it to me. I got a granddaughter that needs some time.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I addressed ir to the topic. No one. I'm just tired of all this crap. Apparently, if you aren't a Trump kiss as you aren't welcome here. About time to dump the boards again. I'm sick of being attacked. I don't have the time. I don't care care who likes who and I've never made an issue of it until people started acting like Nazis about who you're supposed to support. It seems you're entitled to you opinion only if your opinion goes along along to get along.

That ain't me and never has been. If I won't take shit off a LtGen in the Corps, I sure ain't taking it off a bunch of jerks on a message board.

And you know me. I'm a southern boy. Come in my yard and talk your trash. Words on a a screen mean nothing.

And the so called right that's sold out ? Ain't worth it to me. I got a granddaughter that needs some time.

Well Trump certainly gets strong reactions from folks. I myself do not care that much if its him or Cruz but do think he has the balls to stick it to the right bastards in D.C.
ANYBODY AS LONG AS ITS NOT ANOTHER STINKING DEM.
I do not think I've sold out at all.
We southern boys of the older generation generally have our heads on straight.
Not claiming perfection, not by a long shot.
Could be we all need to settle down a bit and concentrate on the real enemy- the dems/the muzzies/ the leftists and the globalists.....
This ole world bez a tough old hag that spits in yo eye and tries to kill ya.
We that survived over 60 years in bad places around bad people know a thing or two.
I can not say that about very many of the younger generation unless they've been military and in combat.--Tyr

[indago]

Talking politics gets folks pissed of sometimes, so don't anyone here pay any mind if someone gets pissed off about candidates and such. Just brush it off your shoulders and move on. Soon the voting will be over, and there will be other things to get pissed off about.

[Perianne]

Talking politics gets folks pissed of sometimes, so don't anyone here pay any mind if someone gets pissed off about candidates and such. Just brush it off your shoulders and move on. Soon the voting will be over, and there will be other things to get pissed off about.

My daughter says I have been kinda foul lately. I think the state of our country is having an effect on me. Things are sooo bad. :(

[indago]

My daughter says I have been kinda foul lately. I think the state of our country is having an effect on me. Things are sooo bad. :(

When things get so bad, I am always reminded that there is still hope. It is written in the book of Nehemiah, in the Bible, that Ezra, the scribe, had assembled the Israelites in the square in front of the Water Gate and read to them from the Book of the Law of Moses; and they wept at how far they had strayed from this. If we would just recall our foundational documents, and remind ourselves of our heritage, we can still salvage what has been lost.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Talking politics gets folks pissed of sometimes, so don't anyone here pay any mind if someone gets pissed off about candidates and such. Just brush it off your shoulders and move on. Soon the voting will be over, and there will be other things to get pissed off about.

Myself, I am not mad at any member here , not even fj....:laugh:

Being irritated is not being mad. And my being mad, people tend to see it plainly, opening and boldly. Just as they could read my poetry to see that I am now a much kinder and far more gentle soul. ;)
Yet one that always has the foundation to call up the old me in an instant when its needed.
Truth is after all these years here, I like every member here even the ones that I strongly disagree with.
As all my life I 've went by the creed when I truly dislike a person I will not speak or have conversations with that person on any level or in any way.--Tyr

[jimnyc]

Who's forcing who to like which candidate? There are more than a few here who won't be voting for Trump, and aren't involved in any fracas whatsoever. I wonder why they aren't saying we are forcing them to vote for Trump? Or why they aren't say they are being stifled or attacked?

No one is being forced in any way whatsoever. No one being stifled. tsk tsk. Would still LOVE to see these quotes....

[Perianne]

Myself, I am not mad at any member here , not even fj....:laugh:

Being irritated is not being mad. And my being mad, people tend to see it plainly, opening and boldly. Just as they could read my poetry to see that I am now a much kinder and far more gentle soul. ;)
Yet one that always has the foundation to call up the old me in an instant when its needed.
Truth is after all these years here, I like every member here even the ones that I strongly disagree with.
As all my life I 've went by the creed when I truly dislike a person I will not speak or have conversations with that person on any level or in any way.--Tyr

I, too, like everyone here. Even those who consistently disagree with me. I forgive them. :)

[Gunny]

Well Trump certainly gets strong reactions from folks. I myself do not care that much if its him or Cruz but do think he has the balls to stick it to the right bastards in D.C.
ANYBODY AS LONG AS ITS NOT ANOTHER STINKING DEM.
I do not think I've sold out at all.
We southern boys of the older generation generally have our heads on straight.
Not claiming perfection, not by a long shot.
Could be we all need to settle down a bit and concentrate on the real enemy- the dems/the muzzies/ the leftists and the globalists.....
This ole world bez a tough old hag that spits in yo eye and tries to kill ya.
We that survived over 60 years in bad places around bad people know a thing or two.
I can not say that about very many of the younger generation unless they've been military and in combat.--Tyr

It isn't specifically about Trump. It's about expressing viewpoints. If I wanted 3-4 people down my throat for disagreeing with them, I could have stayed at USMB where I usually get 6-7 in every orifice. It really doesn't matter WHAT the viewpoint is. I came to this board for that very reason - to get away from that high-drama BS, yet it seems to be flourishing well here lately.

As far as that RINO Trump is concerned, seems to me that label drove most on the right insane since the late 90s; yet, we are now going to put one in office. :rolleyes:

[Perianne]

It isn't specifically about Trump. It's about expressing viewpoints. If I wanted 3-4 people down my throat for disagreeing with them, I could have stayed at USMB where I usually get 6-7 in every orifice. It really doesn't matter WHAT the viewpoint is. I came to this board for that very reason - to get away from that high-drama BS, yet it seems to be flourishing well here lately.

As far as that RINO Trump is concerned, seems to me that label drove most on the right insane since the late 90s; yet, we are now going to put one in office. :rolleyes:

Some people don't see him as a RINO, because Republican In Name Only has had little meaning since the days of Reagan. I have no confidence in the Republican party to do anything to save America.

While I am not on the Trump bandwagon, I understand his attraction to people. I also understand those who are wary of him.

Cruz seems like a reasonable alternative to Trump. Others maybe think to heck with it all: "let's jump in with both feet (with Trump) and see what happens".

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It isn't specifically about Trump. It's about expressing viewpoints. If I wanted 3-4 people down my throat for disagreeing with them, I could have stayed at USMB where I usually get 6-7 in every orifice. It really doesn't matter WHAT the viewpoint is. I came to this board for that very reason - to get away from that high-drama BS, yet it seems to be flourishing well here lately.

As far as that RINO Trump is concerned, seems to me that label drove most on the right insane since the late 90s; yet, we are now going to put one in office. :rolleyes:

As is your right to disagree on Trump being the best choice.
I am not mad at anybody here. Its politics and its politics at a crucial turning point in this nation's history-- certainly passions will be inflamed and harsh words uttered.
I have no problem with you holding your convictions.
Same as I expect others to respect me holding quite firmly onto mine.
This election is truly going to be the make or break for this nation!
If Hillary gets in, its over for us-- as she'll finish up the obama insanity and treason--just as the globalists masters dictate. -Tyr

[Gunny]

Some people don't see him as a RINO, because Republican In Name Only has had little meaning since the days of Reagan. I have no confidence in the Republican party to do anything to save America.

While I am not on the Trump bandwagon, I understand his attraction to people. I also understand those who are wary of him.

Cruz seems like a reasonable alternative to Trump. Others maybe think to heck with it all: "let's jump in with both feet (with Trump) and see what happens".

What has gotten twisted here among several people's selective memories is I understand Trump's appeal. That isn't the point. The point is, understanding his appeal isn't good enough. You have to like him too. I'm not going to. Nor am I going to listen to a bunch of titty babies who think they're smarter than everyone else try to force him down my throat.

And you need to get out more. You don't see it much on this board but go to one full of leftwingnuts. The term RINO is alive and well.

[Gunny]

As is your right to disagree on Trump being the best choice.
I am not mad at anybody here. Its politics and its politics at a crucial turning point in this nation's history-- certainly passions will be inflamed and harsh words uttered.
I have no problem with you holding your convictions.
Same as I expect others to respect me holding quite firmly onto mine.
This election is truly going to be the make or break for this nation!
If Hillary gets in, its over for us-- as she'll finish up the obama insanity and treason--just as the globalists masters dictate. -Tyr

I'm not mad. I'm actually disappointed in a few people. I thought they were better than they've recently shown their true colors to be.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/02/23/this-marine-vet-was-banned-from-his-kids-school-after-objecting-to-islam-lessons/

This Marine vet was banned from his kid’s school after objecting to Islam lessons

By Emma Brown February 23

John Kevin Wood says his daughter’s school has banned him from campus for more than a year, illegally punishing him for raising objections to classroom lessons about Islam. Now he’s gone to court for help, asking a judge to remove the ban so he can watch his daughter graduate from high school.

“She’s in the final semester of her senior year, and as it stands right now, she’s going to have to go through that life experience without her dad there,” said Kate Oliveri, a lawyer from the Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center who is representing the Wood family.

The dispute dates to October 2014, when Wood’s daughter showed him several assignments for her 11th grade World History class at La Plata High in Charles County, Md.

She had been asked to memorize the Five Pillars of Islam. She had been asked to write and recite the shahada, the Muslim statement of faith: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. She had been taught, according to school papers submitted to federal court, that most Muslims’ faith is “stronger than the average Christian.”

The lessons also taught that Islam was a “peaceful religion,” court papers say, and that “jihad” is a “holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty; a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline.” Wood is a Marine veteran who had lost two buddies in combat in the Persian Gulf during Operation Desert Storm.

The school wasn’t just teaching Islam but was promoting it, it seemed to Wood, and in a way that amounted to an assault on his family’s Christian faith.

When Wood called to complain about the assignments and request alternative work for his daughter, school officials issued a no-trespass order against him. Wood has not been allowed to set foot on the campus of La Plata High since October 2014.

The order, which Wood’s lawyers posted online, says that Wood “made verbal threats against the school.” The legal battle now centers on whether the school system unfairly punished Wood for speaking out.

In court papers, Wood says he never threatened physical harm against the school or its staff. Instead, he said, he threatened to take his concerns public by going to the media and to lawyers.

The dispute turned into a legal battle last month, when Wood and his wife, Melissa, sued the Charles County school system, alleging that La Plata High’s lessons on Islam violated their daughter’s civil and constitutional rights.

“The First Amendment prohibits the promotion of the religion of Islam over other faiths, such as Christianity or Judaism, in our public schools,” says the complaint, filed in U.S District Court in Maryland.

Katie O’Malley-Simpson, spokeswoman for the Charles County school system, said she could not comment on pending litigation. But when Wood first raised concerns about the assignments in 2014, the school system released a statement clarifying what students learn in its World History classes.

The unit to which Wood objected is meant to teach about Middle Eastern empires and the role that Islam — along with politics, culture, economics and geography — played in the history and development of those empires, the statement said. The course covers other religions in other units; students study Christianity when they learn about the Renaissance, for example, and Hinduism and Buddhism in units about India and China.

Now Wood is asking the court to rescind the no-trespass order, alleging that the ban violates his First Amendment rights to speak about and advocate for his daughter’s activities at a public school. School officials banned him only because they disagreed with him and “wanted to quash criticism of their pro-Islamic curriculum,” he argued in a motion filed on Monday.

O’Malley-Simpson said she had not yet seen Wood’s motion asking the court to rescind the ban, and therefore could not comment on it.

Notice how the religion the Public education System is quick and adamant about teaching is Islam?
And not Jesus Christ and his gospel???
Told you people almost 4 years ago this was coming in this very thread!! -Tyr

[Gunny]

Notice how the religion the Public education System is quick and adamant about teaching is Islam?
And not Jesus Christ and his gospel???
Told you people almost 4 years ago this was coming in this very thread!! -Tyr

I took mine. Where it hurts. School districts get to suck off the government for military dependents. I told them I was pulling my kid out and putting her in private school and they could kiss those tax dollars goodbye. That was my part in depriving the leeches government money.

The way they acted you'd have thought I wanted to live around the Ring Around the Congo.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/index.aspx


Games Muslims Play:
Home Page

Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast that its oppressive practices have against 21st century values, Muslims are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Some of its leading apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths that are, in turn, repeated verbatim by novices and those outside the faith.

Here we try to expose some of these games and help truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous (often blatantly false) claims about Islam and its history.

The Games:

“If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent.”

“Other Religions Kill, too.”

Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256)

The Crusades

“Muhammad Never Killed Anyone.”

The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32)

"Muslims are Only to Kill in Self-Defense.”

The Million Dollar Wager that "Holy War" isn't in the Quran.

"Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context."

"Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion."

"The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic."

"Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims"
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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/video-robert-spencer-exposes-cairs-cynical-and-deceptive-islamophobin-campaign

[Gunny]

Games Muslims Play:
Home Page

Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast that its oppressive practices have against 21st century values, Muslims are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Some of its leading apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths that are, in turn, repeated verbatim by novices and those outside the faith.

Here we try to expose some of these games and help truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous (often blatantly false) claims about Islam and its history.

The Games:

“If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent.”

“Other Religions Kill, too.”

Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256)

The Crusades

“Muhammad Never Killed Anyone.”

The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32)

"Muslims are Only to Kill in Self-Defense.”

The Million Dollar Wager that "Holy War" isn't in the Quran.

"Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context."

"Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion."

"The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic."

"Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims"
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I got say, that's a nice list of excuses. :laugh:

So Muhammed never even did his own killing? Damned wuss.

[Black Diamond]

I got say, that's a nice list of excuses. :laugh:

So Muhammed never even did his own killing? Damned wuss.

Charles Manson didn't either.

[Gunny]

Charles Manson didn't either.

I don't get where these people come from. If I'm going to kill you, I'm going to stand in your face and let you know who's doing it.

These people are cowards. They run around in black pajamas and hide their faces and wage war against noncombatants. I have nothing but contempt for that.

I say round 'em like a herd and march their asses to court for war crimes. And I don't care if they proclaim innocence. Since y'all all look and dress the same, you can all be executed the same.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?57698-Truck-Drives-Into-Christmas-Market-Crowd-In-Berlin&p=848627#post848627
More proof of what this thread and my stand predicted was coming and folks its here within our borders too!
The obama is seeding them in as we speak--by the thousands!
The obama put them in high positions in his administration..
The obama bats for them , as he is quoted as promising he would..

Just how much reality and truth has to be ignored for us to keep on kissing their s sorry asses while they kill us and organize right in our midst to destroy us?--Tyr

[Gunny]

More proof of what this thread and my stand predicted was coming and folks its here within our borders too!
The obama is seeding them in as we speak--by the thousands!
The obama put them in high positions in his administration..
The obama bats for them , as he is quoted as promising he would..

Just how much reality and truth has to be ignored for us to keep on kissing their s sorry asses while they kill us and organize right in our midst to destroy us?--Tyr

It begins with the enemies from within. Even a clock is right twice a day. Lincoln said something about a house divided (no, I ain't looking up the quote). We're too busy fighting ourselves to face front and go after the threat to our existence.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It begins with the enemies from within. Even a clock is right twice a day. Lincoln said something about a house divided (no, I ain't looking up the quote). We're too busy fighting ourselves to face front and go after the threat to our existence.

Right on the money. Yet the media, the government, the dem party, the elitists, the college professors, the Hollywood celebs, PUBLIC EDUCATION, ETC ARE ALL TEACHING OUR CHILDREN TO GIVE WAY, TO BOW DOWN TO AND TO KISS THE ASSES OF THIS NATION'S ENEMIES.
THE OBAMA'S ENTIRE DICTATORIAL REIGN HAS BEEN BASED UPON THAT LIBERAL (COWARDLY) INSANITY......
Either we reverse course in a major, major way or we will fall.
History reveals the truth of that, as the path we are on, is that of failure culminating in our utter destruction as a sovereign nation. Fact..
If not corrected, Islam will aid in or else facilitate our demise itself.---Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

Robert, do you sometimes feel like a voice crying out in the wilderness? To put it figuratively and literally, some people just won't listen until the sword is at their own throat.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Robert, do you sometimes feel like a voice crying out in the wilderness? To put it figuratively and literally, some people just won't listen until the sword is at their own throat.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I DO MY FRIEND.
HELL, I ONLY PREDICTED CHINA'S RISE TO POWER AND ITS TAKING US TO CLEANERS ABOUT 30/40 YEARS AGO AND MORE RECENTLY ABOUT 10/12 YEARS AGO ON ANOTHER FORUM.
I GOT BOO'ED, LAUGHED AT, MADE FUN OF AND CALLED A FOOL ,MORON, JACKASS, IDIOT, DUMBASS, ETC.

Now we see my predictions proven to have come true and those dumbasses are nowhere to found ..
Same thing here with this issue about the muslims.

My thread titled- ,I take My Stand , You? Yet again, we see the same thing..
The muzzies doing exactly what I predicted and our government, media and dem party aiding them just as I PREDICTED.-TYR

[Gunny]

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I DO MY FRIEND.
HELL, I ONLY PREDICTED CHINA'S RISE TO POWER AND ITS TAKING US TO CLEANERS ABOUT 30/40 YEARS AGO AND MORE RECENTLY ABOUT 10/12 YEARS AGO ON ANOTHER FORUM.
I GOT BOO'ED, LAUGHED AT, MADE FUN OF AND CALLED A FOOL ,MORON, JACKASS, IDIOT, DUMBASS, ETC.

Now we see my predictions proven to have come true and those dumbasses are nowhere to found ..
Same thing here with this issue about the muslims.

My thread titled- ,I take My Stand , You? Yet again, we see the same thing..
The muzzies doing exactly what I predicted and our government, media and dem party aiding them just as I PREDICTED.-TYR

The Sound of Silence. Old Simon and Garfunkel song. As true today as it was in the 60s. People hearing without listening. People talking without speaking. And my words, like silent raindrops fell ...

The ones that hear you, hear you. The ones that don't, aren't going to. Truth is a horrible thing to those facing t.