I take my stand, you?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Had to jab you about your double standards---did you notice that Thatcher didn't say who the enemy was ?

NO DOUBLE STANDARDS ON THIS , THOSE COMMENTARIES ARE JUST AS RELEVANT TODAY AS THEY WERE WHEN MADE .

THATCHER'S ENEMY WAS LISTED IN THE TITLE LINE RIGHT AFTER DRUMMOND'S NAME. PERHAPS YOU NEED GLASSES, EH?-Tyr

[fj1200]

Right, I think it was correct to intern them all, that would stop the spying. And I also think that sending back to Muslimland any Muslims now here would be a great defense of our culture. They certainly don't allow immigration into their culture! --- nor does China nor Japan or many other countries, which are far more self-protective than Western democracies, which are pretty much allowing their culture to be undermined from inside.

I don't know why you should worry about Japanese internment by America. When Germany did concentration camps, those people were in serious trouble, and most died. Also, why be concerned about internment camps during WWII? We A-bombed the Japs! Two big cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Not to mention killing gazillions of them on their little Pacific islands and sinking their carriers and battleships. Summer camps for the Japanese in America do not seem to me much of a cruelty issue in wartime compared to the Japs bombing Pearl Harbor and us bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the firebombing of Tokyo.

OK, you're ready to toss out the Constitution when you perceive some sort of threat; That's clear. Anyone should worry when there is talk of interning people solely because of their race and especially their religion. Violating Constitutional rights, even in a nice way, is not something we should take pride in.


I was talking to you. I am asking whether it is acute naivetee that causes you to think that spying and many other acts of war are not really a problem or not really happening, or whether in fact you would prefer that America be defeated entirely and our culture switched out for some other culture, and if so, which one would you rather live under?

I reject your strawman that the only way to protect and defend is mass interning. BTW, at which point in time would you like to freeze our culture? 1700's? 1800's? 1952? Should we freeze out some Mormons? Those Christian Scientists seem to be getting pretty uppity and all too?

[Missileman]

OK, you're ready to toss out the Constitution when you perceive some sort of threat; That's clear. Anyone should worry when there is talk of interning people solely because of their race and especially their religion. Violating Constitutional rights, even in a nice way, is not something we should take pride in.



I reject your strawman that the only way to protect and defend is mass interning. BTW, at which point in time would you like to freeze our culture? 1700's? 1800's? 1952? Should we freeze out some Mormons? Those Christian Scientists seem to be getting pretty uppity and all too?

Exactly! If you condone the government violating the rights of one group of citizens, you establish a precedent by which they can violate everyone's.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Exactly! If you condone the government violating the rights of one group of citizens, you establish a precedent by which they can violate everyone's.

Too late, FDR already set that precedent and he is heralded as the great dem/liberal hero!
Isnt it a bit lame that Islam declares war on America and America is told that it must embrace and appease Islam?
I'll do neither and know that my take on it is right..-Tyr

[tailfins]

Too late, FDR already set that precedent and he is heralded as the great dem/liberal hero!
Isnt it a bit lame that Islam declares war on America and America is told that it must embrace and appease Islam?
I'll do neither and know that my take on it is right..-Tyr

The WHOLE of Islam declared war on America? WOW! Thanks for the news. You remind me of an uncle I once had that would whoop ever dang Oriental he saw.

[Dilloduck]

Too late, FDR already set that precedent and he is heralded as the great dem/liberal hero!
Isnt it a bit lame that Islam declares war on America and America is told that it must embrace and appease Islam?
I'll do neither and know that my take on it is right..-Tyr

Islam declares war on America. :laugh2:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The WHOLE of Islam declared war on America? WOW! Thanks for the news. You remind me of an uncle I once had that would whoop ever dang Oriental he saw.

Islam wars against all that is not Islam, that includes America. They specificly concentrate of the big(USA) and the little(Israel) Satans. I suggest that you read a bit more but since you know it all why should you, right? I'm thinking that the entirety of your knowledge about Islam is what you have read or saw in the news media which is extremely limited and full of errors.. Do keep impressing me with ignorance on a subject you know so little about!
Im guessing your uncle wasnt too different from you maybe.-;)-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Islam declares war on America. :laugh2:

See post number 257... :laugh:-Tyr

[tailfins]

How about American Muslims ? What's the plan with them ?


I trust Bibi Netanyahu. He points out that Arabs (most of which are Muslim, I presume) live better in Israel than in other countries in the region. No one can reasonably say Netanyahu appeases Muslims. Bibi doesn't show the Klan-like hatred for Muslims I see here in the US. If you want an example of that kind of thing in the US:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/9040321/-20-000-reward-offered-arson-Murfreesboro-mosque-site?nclick_check=1

As a contrast, here is where Netanyahu stands:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-condemns-jerusalem-beating-of-arab-youths-says-racism-and-violence-have-no-place-in-israel/

[fj1200]

Too late, FDR already set that precedent and he is heralded as the great dem/liberal hero!
Isnt it a bit lame that Islam declares war on America and America is told that it must embrace and appease Islam?
I'll do neither and know that my take on it is right..-Tyr

And you accept that precedent?


The truth is—as this deplorable experience proves—that constitutions and laws are not sufficient of themselves...Despite the unequivocal language of the Constitution of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution) that the writ of habeas corpus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writ_of_habeas_corpus) shall not be suspended, and despite the Fifth Amendment's command that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, both of these constitutional safeguards were denied by military action under Executive Order 9066.[102] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment#cite_note-101)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment

If you accept EO 9066 then you have no place to complain about BO's EOs. All 924 of them. ;)

[tailfins]

Islam wars against all that is not Islam, that includes America. They specificly concentrate of the big(USA) and the little(Israel) Satans. I suggest that you read a bit more but since you know it all why should you, right? I'm thinking that the entirety of your knowledge about Islam is what you have read or saw in the news media which is extremely limited and full of errors.. Do keep impressing me with ignorance on a subject you know so little about!
Im guessing your uncle wasnt too different from you maybe.-;)-Tyr


Why don't you just round up a posse and hang a few? When someone does such a thing, don't complain when you become a "person of interest" because of your rantings.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Why don't you just round up a posse and hang a few? When someone does such a thing, don't complain when you become a "person of interest" because of your rantings.

Hey genius, you made the suggestion to round them up and hang them not me! I'd say you'd be the primary person of interest should it ever happen. It is easy to see from my posts here that I've not suggested breaking the law in any way . So shove your strawdog crap.-Tyr

[jafar00]

I'm thinking that the entirety of your knowledge about Islam is what you have read or saw in the news media which is extremely limited and full of errors..

You knowledge of Islam clearly comes from extremist websites and nutcase preachers.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You knowledge of Islam clearly comes from extremist websites and nutcase preachers.

You mean websites that are not muslim. Yes, thats where to find the truth about Islam. Islam spends tens of millions on promoting lying propaganda to fool those that have little to no knowledge about it.. Then you pick and choose what you like declaring " millions of other muslims" not muslim... Quite convenient to say the least..

[Missileman]

All 924 of them. ;)

:laugh2:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:laugh2:

You guys seek to quibble about the exact number of E.O's
in order to not discuss his power grabbing and the Unconstitutionality of his policies.
Your post above reveals your brilliance on the topic. You laugh while this traitor helps destroy the nation. F-YOU.-TYR

[fj1200]

You guys seek to quibble about the exact number of E.O's
in order to not discuss his power grabbing and the Unconstitutionality of his policies.
Your post above reveals your brilliance on the topic. You laugh while this traitor helps destroy the nation. F-YOU.-TYR

No, you'll get nary an argument about his unconstitutional power grabbing from anyone here. Those of us on the right aren't going to disagree and those on the left will point out the extreme exaggeration which, especially in their mind, gives you zero credibility.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No, you'll get nary an argument about his unconstitutional power grabbing from anyone here. Those of us on the right aren't going to disagree and those on the left will point out the extreme exaggeration which, especially in their mind, gives you zero credibility.

My credibility in regards to those on the left doesnt matter. They hate ALL TRUTH. Those on the right here that choose to ignore the facts when presented instead would rather discuss any errors that may exist in my posts pretend to seek perfection. I've always found that tactic a bit revealing in itself. Casting aside a bed of roses because of a few daisies growing within clearly point to certain biases. In short, ignoring facts because the totality is still not perfection is an error. I post a great many factual links! Show me a perfect thing , a perfect human ....-Tyr

[tailfins]

Hey genius, you made the suggestion to round them up and hang them not me! I'd say you'd be the primary person of interest should it ever happen. It is easy to see from my posts here that I've not suggested breaking the law in any way . So shove your strawdog crap.-Tyr

I mentioned it because your obsession fits the profile of a skinhead or the people who committed the Murfreesboro arson attack on the mosque in Tennessee. I trust the US and Israeli military to correctly profile the enemy. I DON'T think the enemy is "all Muslims".

[Missileman]

You guys seek to quibble about the exact number of E.O's
in order to not discuss his power grabbing and the Unconstitutionality of his policies.
Your post above reveals your brilliance on the topic. You laugh while this traitor helps destroy the nation. F-YOU.-TYR

Any discussion about Obama's abuses of Executive power should be grounded in REALITY. I don't think pointing out that the OP inflated Obama's EO count by over 600% is quibbling. If you'd like to have a serious discussion about EOs, you'll first need to disown the "not so serious", ridiculous accusation in the OP and start working from a list of his actual EOs.

[fj1200]

My credibility in regards to those on the left doesnt matter. They hate ALL TRUTH. Those on the right here that choose to ignore the facts when presented instead would rather discuss any errors that may exist in my posts pretend to seek perfection. I've always found that tactic a bit revealing in itself. Casting aside a bed of roses because of a few daisies growing within clearly point to certain biases. In short, ignoring facts because the totality is still not perfection is an error. I post a great many factual links! Show me a perfect thing , a perfect human ....-Tyr

I'll stipulate that for the time being but your target audience shouldn't be the right because like I said they just might agree with you. You might either be trying to convince an independent or further embolden a conservative. Abandoning certain easily verifiable facts before even starting the debate puts you a leg down IMO.

[Dilloduck]

See post number 257... :laugh:-Tyr

I did--It was just as full of generalizations as all your others. Who is the Muslim in charge these days anyway ? Someone needs to tell the ones in Syria that they aren't supposed to be fighting each other. :laugh2:

[tailfins]

I'll stipulate that for the time being but your target audience shouldn't be the right because like I said they just might agree with you. You might either be trying to convince an independent or further embolden a conservative. Abandoning certain easily verifiable facts before even starting the debate puts you a leg down IMO.

I will attest to that. I have been active in numerous GOP campaigns and conservative ballot measures. I'm only undecided whether he is someone you keep out of sight with tasks such as putting up yard signs or preparing a campaign venue like a Bircher or if he's someone to avoid altogether like David Duke.

[Drummond]

I'll stipulate that for the time being but your target audience shouldn't be the right because like I said they just might agree with you. You might either be trying to convince an independent or further embolden a conservative. Abandoning certain easily verifiable facts before even starting the debate puts you a leg down IMO.

You don't like those on the Right being united in a common cause ? Is that what's behind your thinking here ?

I agree with Tyr; there's no point in trying to consider those on the Left, because they're wedded to a script, a perception of reality predefined for them. They know what they want to see and work towards, so they follow that path. It doesn't matter to them whether or not reality defies them, because their propaganda is far more important to them.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I will attest to that. I have been active in numerous GOP campaigns and conservative ballot measures. I'm only undecided whether he is someone you keep out of sight with tasks such as putting up yard signs or preparing a campaign venue like a Bircher or if he's someone to avoid altogether like David Duke.

You assume too much and attempt to take liberties that you could never back up dude. Nobody runs me in circles and only an idiot attempts to compare me to David Dukes. Dont bother yourself with my activities because regardless of how important you may believe yourself to be , hoss you aint shit to me! You are perfectly free here to make such comments without facing any action at all. In the real world such comments would bring a well reasoned and attitude adjusting reply. Still undecided? Here let me help you make up your puny mind about it, kiss my ass punk! Thats how its done face to face and I'd be very happy to say it that way anytime ,any damn place...-Tyr

[tailfins]

You assume too much and attempt to take liberties that you could never back up dude. Nobody runs me in circles and only an idiot attempts to compare me to David Dukes. Dont bother yourself with my activities because regardless of how important you may believe yourself to be , hoss you aint shit to me! You are perfectly free here to make such comments without facing any action at all. In the real world such comments would bring a well reasoned and attitude adjusting reply. Still undecided? Here let me help you make up your puny mind about it, kiss my ass punk! Thats how its done face to face and I'd be very happy to say it that way anytime ,any damn place...-Tyr


Do you have a criminal record? It sure seems like it. You are why background checks get done, even for volunteers. That would be David Duke. Perhaps you are confused with Daisy Dukes shorts.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I mentioned it because your obsession fits the profile of a skinhead or the people who committed the Murfreesboro arson attack on the mosque in Tennessee. I trust the US and Israeli military to correctly profile the enemy. I DON'T think the enemy is "all Muslims".

No, you lying fuck you mentioned it because you wanted to paint me as a damn skinhead or lawless criminally minded person. When no post here have I ever advocated partaking in criminal activities against blacks, gays , muslims or anybody by myself or by others. I dont give a damn who you trust to verify an enemy. I am a man , I'll do my own damn verifying while you'll be lead like a fool, like a child. -Tyr

[tailfins]

No, you lying fuck you mentioned it because you wanted to paint me as a damn skinhead or lawless criminally minded person. When no post here have I ever advocated partaking in criminal activities against blacks, gays , muslims or anybody by myself or by others. I dont give a damn who you trust to verify an enemy. I am a man , I'll do my own damn verifying while you'll be lead like a fool, like a child. -Tyr


I seem to have struck a nerve!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Do you have a criminal record? It sure seems like it. You are why background checks get done, even for volunteers. That would be David Duke. Perhaps you are confused with Daisy Dukes shorts.

Yet another baseless accusation from a punk, I have no criminal record. Still tossing out the David Dukes SHAT hoping to tarnish me with it . Another useless ffing coward pretending to be a man!:laugh:
How many more baseless bullshat accusations do you think you' ll need to feel you are a brilliant star here?

Like a child you hurl shit hoping to improve your own smell. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I seem to have struck a nerve!

What you have done is act like a fool and accuse me with absolutely no proof while pretending that you are some wise being. In other words you make lying accusations and then pretend you have accomplished something other than being an ass. I dislike liars, punkass ones even more.. You apparently fit the bill for both..-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

You don't like those on the Right being united in a common cause ? Is that what's behind your thinking here ?

I agree with Tyr; there's no point in trying to consider those on the Left, because they're wedded to a script, a perception of reality predefined for them. They know what they want to see and work towards, so they follow that path. It doesn't matter to them whether or not reality defies them, because their propaganda is far more important to them.

Weird---you're like Tyr's very own left wing. :laugh:

[tailfins]

Yet another baseless accusation from a punk, I have no criminal record. Still tossing out the David Dukes SHAT hoping to tarnish me with it . Another useless ffing coward pretending to be a man!:laugh:
How many more baseless bullshat accusations do you think you' ll need to feel you are a brilliant star here?

Like a child you hurl shit hoping to improve your own smell. -Tyr


Naw, just enjoying watching you lose your cookies. Maybe one day you'll learn not to play into the side you oppose. You are making your own point of view look bad. You post something totally wrong and instead of saying "boy did I goof", you double down. I'm just trying to stop you from making a fool of yourself; perhaps that's a losing battle. I would prefer you become more effective, however there's a certain evil entertainment in watching you drool all over yourself.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Naw, just enjoying watching you lose your cookies. Maybe one day you'll learn not to play into the side you oppose. You are making your own point of view look bad. You post something totally wrong and instead of saying "boy did I goof", you double down. I'm just trying to stop you from making a fool of yourself; perhaps that's a losing battle. I would prefer you become more effective, however there's a certain evil entertainment in watching you drool all over yourself.

No, you thought to be a man forgetting that a man must first actually be one ! Then I replied like a man and you attempted to sling a bit more shit but it did absolutely no good at all. Were we face to face in a bar you'd been sat down rather quickly in no uncertain terms but here you attempt to be clever. I speak my mind, call you on your bullshit and now it all was a clever little exercise according to you. How effective I am is my business , I do not need nor will I accept advice from any man unless I first respect that man. That clearly leaves you out.
What did I post totally wrong in this thread that you "think" warrants your baseless accusations being spewed forth?

[tailfins]

No, you thought to be a man forgetting that a man must first actually be one ! Then I replied like a man and you attempted to sling a bit more shit but it did absolutely no good at all. Were we face to face in a bar you'd been sat down rather quickly in no uncertain terms but here you attempt to be clever. I speak my mind, call you on your bullshit and now it all was a clever little exercise according to you. How effective I am is my business , I do not need nor will I accept advice from any man unless I first respect that man. That clearly leaves you out.
What did I post totally wrong in this thread that you "think" warrants your baseless accusations being spewed forth?

Nevermind: I have better things to do than give advice to some drunk beclowning himself. I will sit here an let you entertain me kind of like World's Dumbest on TruTV.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Nevermind: I have better things to do than give advice to some drunk beclowning himself. I will sit here an let you entertain me kind of like World's Dumbest on TruTV.

Offering unrequested advice is a bit like spitting into the punchbowl to make it go farther. I am truly amazed that giving advice is too be preceded by making baseless, insulting false accusations as a prelude. Is this some new modern philosophy or perhaps it's you that has been drinking a bit too much?
I like entertaining little kids, I do rope tricks, card tricks and sometimes a bit of magic. Stay tuned in here and I'll teach you a few things too.-:laugh:--Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

I trust Bibi Netanyahu. He points out that Arabs (most of which are Muslim, I presume) live better in Israel than in other countries in the region. No one can reasonably say Netanyahu appeases Muslims. Bibi doesn't show the Klan-like hatred for Muslims I see here in the US. If you want an example of that kind of thing in the US:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/9040321/-20-000-reward-offered-arson-Murfreesboro-mosque-site?nclick_check=1

As a contrast, here is where Netanyahu stands:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-condemns-jerusalem-beating-of-arab-youths-says-racism-and-violence-have-no-place-in-israel/

Name any Muslim who will admit being anti American. Notice I did not say anti USA for given their population growth (See book by Mark Steyn, America Alone for some facts), in the future, the number of Muslims in the USA will make them the majority. Globally they are growing so fast that in some countries, formerly Christian, they now have Muslim majorities.

I asked one Muslim (actually a former Musllim, who is currently saying he is a Catholic) Sia from Iran to tell me honestly if the Muslim faith is violent. Not 1200 or 1500 years back, but right now. Sia explained to me that they are violent and he explained why. He said since he left Iran and became an American citizen, it was not compatable for him to remain a Muslim and live here given he despises violence.

Now, Sia got a college education in Iran and moved eventually to the USA fearing he would die unless he got proper care for his heart condition. He legally went to Germany hoping for said care. Sadly the Germans told him he had to go to the USA for that sort of heart care.

So, he came here on a visitors visa and became illegal and somehow managed to get amnesty. I think it was that vaunted Reagan Amnesty that democrats would love to repeat.

See how it worked for us the last time? They want to repeat that mistake.

Now, I happen to enjoy the company of Sia when he comes by. I think since Sia worked in the loan business and sold property for commission, and had took the risk of buying high priced homes just in time for them to fall in price, he probably is on some government aid program of some sort. I wish he came by to chat.

When Sia who hated the America flag so much he burned it in Iran, to tell me Muslims are violent, took guts. Were he still a Muslim, I suppose he would be killed if somebody knew what he said.

[tailfins]

Name any Muslim who will admit being anti American. Notice I did not say anti USA for given their population growth (See book by Mark Steyn, America Alone for some facts), in the future, the number of Muslims in the USA will make them the majority. Globally they are growing so fast that in some countries, formerly Christian, they now have Muslim majorities.

I asked one Muslim (actually a former Musllim, who is currently saying he is a Catholic) Sia from Iran to tell me honestly if the Muslim faith is violent. Not 1200 or 1500 years back, but right now. Sia explained to me that they are violent and he explained why. He said since he left Iran and became an American citizen, it was not compatable for him to remain a Muslim and live here given he despises violence.

Now, Sia got a college education in Iran and moved eventually to the USA fearing he would die unless he got proper care for his heart condition. He legally went to Germany hoping for said care. Sadly the Germans told him he had to go to the USA for that sort of heart care.

So, he came here on a visitors visa and became illegal and somehow managed to get amnesty. I think it was that vaunted Reagan Amnesty that democrats would love to repeat.

See how it worked for us the last time? They want to repeat that mistake.

Now, I happen to enjoy the company of Sia when he comes by. I think since Sia worked in the loan business and sold property for commission, and had took the risk of buying high priced homes just in time for them to fall in price, he probably is on some government aid program of some sort. I wish he came by to chat.

When Sia who hated the America flag so much he burned it in Iran, to tell me Muslims are violent, took guts. Were he still a Muslim, I suppose he would be killed if somebody knew what he said.

If all the people that get profiled as terrorists happen to be Muslim, I don't have a problem with that. However, it is an American principle to have freedom of religion. If being a Muslim PLUS some other activity points to someone being an enemy of our nation, I'm all for that. Taking action against someone SOLELY for their religion doesn't sit well with me.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If all the people that get profiled as terrorists happen to be Muslim, I don't have a problem with that. However, it is an American principle to have freedom of religion. If being a Muslim PLUS some other activity points to someone being an enemy of our nation, I'm all for that. Taking action against someone SOLELY for their religion doesn't sit well with me.

Now you reveal the bug you apparently had up your arse. ALL muslims would do you harm when their leaders call for that to be done. If not they'd be declared apostate and murdered themselves. If you are going to defend a thing its best you actually learn about it first, dont ya think? Islam hates all that is not Islam , a fact which Im sure you in your blindness will quickly deny. Islam teaches the detruction of all that is not of Islam . A fact, not fiction, false supposition but a fact. You dont like my hardline stand against Islam , tough titty baby..-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/icons/icon1.png
My feelings on Islam and its plan to destroy USA.

Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts.
Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide.

Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, Freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated !

Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations..

Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm, defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life!

Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish our freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. This nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own!--Tyr

Second draft.. decided not to add in the long post previously cut before my posting the first addressing -lack of patriotism from the Dem party and its dire effects upon this nation and our military . Perhaps worthy of another thread at a later time. More fodder for my critics!!!:laugh:
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Now where in my original post that started this thread did I indicate rounding up muslims or taking any illegal actions against them?--Tyr

[fj1200]

You don't like those on the Right being united in a common cause ? Is that what's behind your thinking here ?

I agree with Tyr; there's no point in trying to consider those on the Left, because they're wedded to a script, a perception of reality predefined for them. They know what they want to see and work towards, so they follow that path. It doesn't matter to them whether or not reality defies them, because their propaganda is far more important to them.

You might take some care to actually read what I wrote. I already stipulated that you could toss out the "left" as trying to convert it's the rest that will take issue.

[Dilloduck]

The Constitution of the United States PROTECTS peoples right to worship as they please.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The Constitution of the United States PROTECTS peoples right to worship as they please.

Islam views our Constitution as a wortless piece of paper , fit only to be destroyed alonged with those that seek to preserve it. Islam scoffs at the proposition that people should have such religious freedoms! They'd destroy that and you without even so much as a blinking of their insane eyes. Sure, just like it protected our populace from the likes of obama. Its only as strong as the government that has the task of using it as our nation's guide and when that government is corupted it is weak unless patriots step forth to demand that it be renewed as the primary block in this nation's foundation ! Obama attacks it instead of defending it , as also do the Islamists. You prefer to defend the Islamists while youi attempt cover by lauding our Constitution. Our Constitution does not give protection to those seeking it's and our nation's destruction. -Tyr

[tailfins]

Islam views our Constitution as a wortless piece of paper , fit only to be destroyed alonged with those that seek to preserve it. Islam scoffs at the proposition that people should have such religious freedoms! They'd destroy that and you without even so much as a blinking of their insane eyes. Sure, just like it protected our populace from the likes of obama. Its only as strong as the government that has the task of using it as our nation's guide and when that government is corupted it is weak unless patriots step forth to demand that it be renewed as the primary block in this nation's foundation ! Obama attacks it instead of defending it , as also do the Islamists. You prefer to defend the Islamists while youi attempt cover by lauding our Constitution. Our Constitution does not give protection to those seeking it's and our nation's destruction. -Tyr

My grandpa used to refer to it as the nigger's religion.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My grandpa used to refer to it as the nigger's religion.

Are you now bragging about having a racist grandfather? Islam has nothing to do with blacks except that it seeks to either convert or kill them too!

[Abbey Marie]

The Constitution of the United States PROTECTS peoples right to worship as they please.

And we know the USSC never interprets the Constitution based on politics, right?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Weird---you're like Tyr's very own left wing. :laugh:

I am so far right that I don't have a left wing, and Drummonds is his own man as his well thought out posts so clearly reveal. Of course I'd take him on my team anytime because the man prefers truth over lies and has the courage to always follow that path IMHO. His posts here are inferior to none and often his knowledge greater on our politics than are some Americans that post here. -Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

If all the people that get profiled as terrorists happen to be Muslim, I don't have a problem with that. However, it is an American principle to have freedom of religion. If being a Muslim PLUS some other activity points to someone being an enemy of our nation, I'm all for that. Taking action against someone SOLELY for their religion doesn't sit well with me.

When Sia (from Iran) and I met, he was still a Muslim. I did not wish him ill.

Maybe I am wrong, but if so, Sia helped me be wrong, but according to what he told me, the duty of a Muslim is to eliminate anybody not a Muslim. This is one of his reasons for saying the religion is violent. If a person is a Muslim but teaches non violence, good for them since they violate the rules of their own religion.

Another way to see this is the non religion part of it. Killing humans at peace ought to never be excused.

[aboutime]

I am so far right that I don't have a left wing, and Drummonds is his own man as his well thought out posts so clearly reveal. Of course I'd take him on my team anytime because the man prefers truth over lies and has the courage to always follow that path IMHO. His posts here are inferior to none and often his knowledge greater on our politics than are some Americans that post here. -Tyr

Anyone happen to remember last week, when someone from the Left, Liberal side attempted to convince America that NASCAR FANS were more attractive to Obama????

Also. Does anyone remember how quickly the Liberal-Dems who made that claim...dropped it like a Hot Potato when someone pointed out....How NASCAR FANS only appear to be on the LEFT....Because....ALL NASCAR races happen to be ENDLESS LAPS WHERE FAST CARS.....MAKE ENDLESS "LEFT" TURNS???

[tailfins]

Are you now bragging about having a racist grandfather? Islam has nothing to do with blacks except that it seeks to either convert or kill them too!


Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam: You make comments that are shown to be untrue by a simple internet search. I know what raw racism looks like (if it quacks like a duck). Your posts honk loud and clear. It's easy and lazy to define an enemy by race or religion. Here is another:

If you see someone with Bey or hyphenated with Bey, they are "Moorish", a type of black Muslim.
http://www.themoorishsciencetempleofamerica.org/

For Example: Shelby Lee Patterson-Bey
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/missouri/st-louis/shelby-lee-patterson-bey/62933981

[Dilloduck]

And we know the USSC never interprets the Constitution based on politics, right?

So would you support a war against Islam ? How about a law that banned it's practice ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam: You make comments that are shown to be untrue by a simple internet search. I know what raw racism looks like (if it quacks like a duck). Your posts honk loud and clear. It's easy and lazy to define an enemy by race or religion. Here is another:

If you see someone with Bey or hyphenated with Bey, they are "Moorish", a type of black Muslim.
http://www.themoorishsciencetempleofamerica.org/

For Example: Shelby Lee Patterson-Bey
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/missouri/st-louis/shelby-lee-patterson-bey/62933981
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You confuse the recognition of an avowed enemy with racism. Tell me then , what --RACE-- is Islam??
It's not a --RACE-- but it surely is an enemy to this great nation.
So now you add -lazy- to my list of bad habits that you have so generously created. :laugh:
Do you know how many ethnic groups practice Islam? How many nations are known to be muslim nations , complete with Sharia law to prove it to any foooooolish doubters!??
No, you dislike my manner of posting the cold , hard truth , pulling no punches so you take this tact.
Attacking me more often than the points I make or the links that I give.
Seems to me its lazy on your part to attack the messenger(me) instead of studying Islam and attempting to counter my offerings!!!!-Tyr

[aboutime]

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You confuse the recognition of an avowed enemy with racism. Tell me then , what --RACE-- is Islam??
It's not a --RACE-- but it surely is an enemy to this great nation.
So now you add -lazy- to my list of bad habits that you have so generously created. :laugh:
Do you know how many ethnic groups practice Islam? How many nations are known to be muslim nations , complete with Sharia law to prove it to any foooooolish doubters!??
No, you dislike my manner of posting the cold , hard truth , pulling no punches so you take this tact.
Attacking me more often than the points I make or the links that I give.
Seems to me its lazy on your part to attack the messenger(me) instead of studying Islam and attempting to counter my offerings!!!!-Tyr



Tyr. Someone should lead those who doubt such aspects of pure racism to the countless state, and federal prisons across this country. And they should perform a personal kind of poll to determine what Religious beliefs are being touted, as the Black population of those prisons swing to Islam, and Muslim.

Of course. Those who will instantly DENY such things taking place. Would never dare question, or attempt to learn the truth on their own. It might cause them to Choke on their own lies.

[Dilloduck]

Tyr. Someone should lead those who doubt such aspects of pure racism to the countless state, and federal prisons across this country. And they should perform a personal kind of poll to determine what Religious beliefs are being touted, as the Black population of those prisons swing to Islam, and Muslim.

Of course. Those who will instantly DENY such things taking place. Would never dare question, or attempt to learn the truth on their own. It might cause them to Choke on their own lies.


After someone has drug me around to see all this, what do you think I will realize needs being done ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A red-faced Pentagon has conceded that an instructor at its Joint Forces College in Virginia for military officers was until recently teaching a course advocating “total war” with Islam that could require obliterating the holy cities of Mecca and Medina without concern for civilian deaths.
The material in the course, which officers could elect to take but was not obligatory, flew in the face of repeated assertions by the Obama administration that the war on terrorism is just that and should under no circumstances be read as an assault on a religion observed by 1.4 billion people around the world.
Details of the course were obtained by a blog on Wired.com, drawn from a presentation given by the teacher, Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley, in July last year. He suggested that destroying Islamic holy sites would follow the precedents of the nuclear strike by the allies on Hiroshima in World War II and the firebombing of Dresden. His course was called ‘Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism’.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-instructor-urged-total-war-with-islam-7737807.html

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Smart man , of course he will be reprimanded for daring to speak the truth in military terms.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

A red-faced Pentagon has conceded that an instructor at its Joint Forces College in Virginia for military officers was until recently teaching a course advocating “total war” with Islam that could require obliterating the holy cities of Mecca and Medina without concern for civilian deaths.
The material in the course, which officers could elect to take but was not obligatory, flew in the face of repeated assertions by the Obama administration that the war on terrorism is just that and should under no circumstances be read as an assault on a religion observed by 1.4 billion people around the world.
Details of the course were obtained by a blog on Wired.com, drawn from a presentation given by the teacher, Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley, in July last year. He suggested that destroying Islamic holy sites would follow the precedents of the nuclear strike by the allies on Hiroshima in World War II and the firebombing of Dresden. His course was called ‘Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism’.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-instructor-urged-total-war-with-islam-7737807.html

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Smart man , of course he will be reprimanded for daring to speak the truth in military terms.-Tyr

Smart people don't get caught.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Smart people don't get caught.

Smart honest man telling the truth has nothing to hide.. Running afoul by telling the truth is quite often a virtue!
Not that you would know that offhand.-;)-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Smart honest man telling the truth has nothing to hide.. Running afoul by telling the truth is quite often a virtue!
Not that you would know that offhand.-;)-Tyr

Who declared war on America in the name of Islam ?

[tailfins]

Who declared war on America in the name of Islam ?

From your posts on other topics, I presume you are not a Republican. When annoys me about chest thumpers is that they lose votes for the GOP. George W. Bush clearly stated that Islam is not our enemy. There's a huge difference between a desire to win a war and aimless prejudice. We don't need a repeat of the Japanese internment camps, except this time for Muslims. Last time I checked, Muslims don't have a Pope than has official capacity to speak for all adherents.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Last time I checked, Muslims don't have a Pope than has official capacity to speak for all adherents.



Yet you issued an apology to Jafar about posts made by Jim amd I concerning Islam and its agenda/actions as if you had some high leadership role in the Republican party! Now thats some damn kind of ARROGANCE! APOLOGISING ON BEHALF OF REPUBLICANS FOR OTHER AMERICAN REPUBLICANS EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!
Your words betray you! You made the apology as if you had the authority to do so on behalf of the Republican party!
You sir, are without a doubt arrogant as hell and a lying rascal as well.-Tyr

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I don't know any mullahs sorry.





I apologize on behalf of Republican voters: We are not all like that.

[Dilloduck]

From your posts on other topics, I presume you are not a Republican. When annoys me about chest thumpers is that they lose votes for the GOP. George W. Bush clearly stated that Islam is not our enemy. There's a huge difference between a desire to win a war and aimless prejudice. We don't need a repeat of the Japanese internment camps, except this time for Muslims. Last time I checked, Muslims don't have a Pope than has official capacity to speak for all adherents.

My point exactly. Muslims are busy killing each other now and we would be idiots to declare a war on Islam. It would unite them.

[tailfins]

Yet you issued an apology to Jafar about posts made by Jim amd I concerning Islam and its agenda/actions as if you had some high leadership role in the Republican party! Now thats some damn kind of ARROGANCE! APOLOGISING ON BEHALF OF REPUBLICANS FOR OTHER AMERICAN REPUBLICANS EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!
Your words betray you! You made the apology as if you had the authority to do so on behalf of the Republican party!
You sir, are without a doubt arrogant as hell and a lying rascal as well.-Tyr

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I apologize on behalf of Republican voters: We are not all like that.







Call 1-800-96-JERRY and tell someone who cares. You stand a good chance of getting on the show.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Call 1-800-96-JERRY and tell someone who cares. You stand a good chance of getting on the show.

The fact that you are reduced to posting the rubbish reply quoted above speaks volumes about you and exactly what you tried to do .. Truth is a powerful weapon and people reading both sides of this can easily see that your attempted character assassination attempt was both lame and lies.
Now you instead of attempting to refute the posts I've made on the subject and the info in the links I provided you deliver that lameass reply cited above. It truly is quite pathetic .-:laugh2:
Stil , I welcome any attempts at refuting my views exspressed on Islam , its goals and its danger to our Constitution and nation. I just do not expect that you have the ability or brainpower to do either. --Tyr

[tailfins]

The fact that you are reduced to posting the rubbish reply quoted above speaks volumes about you and exactly what you tried to do .. Truth is a powerful weapon and people reading both sides of this can easily see that your attempted character assassination attempt was both lame and lies.
Now you instead of attempting to refute the posts I've made on the subject and the info in the links I provided you deliver that lameass reply cited above. It truly is quite pathetic .-:laugh2:
Stil , I welcome any attempts at refuting my views exspressed on Islam , its goals and its danger to our Constitution and nation. I just do not expect that you have the ability or brainpower to do either. --Tyr

Whether or not the details of what you say is true doesn't matter. You are off in an irrelevant sand trap. What does matter is where the money to train terrorists is coming from, where the training is done to perform violent acts on US soil, where the material to perform terrorist acts is produced, etc. Fanning prejudice against 1.5 billion people is burning the haystack to find a needle. I guess you could answer "the Eastern Hemisphere" and be technically correct in where it's all coming from, but that would not be useful information.

[Dilloduck]

Whether or not the details of what you say is true doesn't matter. You are off in an irrelevant sand trap. What does matter is where the money to train terrorists is coming from, where the training is done to perform violent acts on US soil, where the material to perform terrorist acts is produced, etc. Fanning prejudice against 1.5 billion people is burning the haystack to find a needle. I guess you could answer "the Eastern Hemisphere" and be technically correct in where it's all coming from, but that would not be useful information.

Legal discrimination -------he just can't figure out how to do it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Whether or not the details of what you say is true doesn't matter. You are off in an irrelevant sand trap. What does matter is where the money to train terrorists is coming from, where the training is done to perform violent acts on US soil, where the material to perform terrorist acts is produced, etc. Fanning prejudice against 1.5 billion people is burning the haystack to find a needle. I guess you could answer "the Eastern Hemisphere" and be technically correct in where it's all coming from, but that would not be useful information.

The details of what I say true about Islam do matter and matter greatly. Speaking truth is not fanning prejudice! Courting those that plan on your destruction is foolish and reveals a lack of understanding of their true nature! They will never yield, never appreciate any kindness given , never stop their ultimate goal. That is what you refuse to see , admit or properly address! They live for Allah and NOTHING ELSE. And Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world by any and all means they can find to use!
This can not be ignored or foolishly believed to be up for negotiation!!!
They will foolishly obey their leaders, Islam means total submission!--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

The details of what I say true about Islam do matter and matter greatly. Speaking truth is not fanning prejudice! Courting those that plan on your destruction is foolish and reveals a lack of understanding of their true nature! They will never yield, never appreciate any kindness given , never stop their ultimate goal. That is what you refuse to see , admit or properly address! They live for Allah and NOTHING ELSE. And Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world by any and all means they can find to use!
This can not be ignored or foolishly believed to be up for negotiation!!!
They will foolishly obey their leaders, Islam means total submission!--Tyr



and the only answer you have involves discriminating against Muslims which is unconstitutional.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

and the only answer you have involves discriminating against Muslims which is unconstitutional.

How is my demand that we honor and use the Constitution more unconstitutional? I have not called for a roundup of muslims as was suggested by another here . Nor have I called for any illegal activities against them! I have called for the problem to be recognised and addressed intead of being denied or appeased . Sharia law in this nation should be ruled completely unconstitutional and you tell me how thats my advocating something that is Unconstitutional..-Tyr

[aboutime]

and the only answer you have involves discriminating against Muslims which is unconstitutional.


Dilloduck. You mean someone here is doing the very same thing Obama does, when he speaks of "My people?"

Obama ignores the constitution, and uses discrimination in nearly every speech he makes, but you say nothing about that???

[Dilloduck]

Dilloduck. You mean someone here is doing the very same thing Obama does, when he speaks of "My people?"

Obama ignores the constitution, and uses discrimination in nearly every speech he makes, but you say nothing about that???

There are a lot of things I haven't talked about--so what ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

How is my demand that we honor and use the Constitution more unconstitutional? I have not called for a roundup of muslims as was suggested by another here . Nor have I called for any illegal activities against them! I have called for the problem to be recognised and addressed intead of being denied or appeased . Sharia law in this nation should be ruled completely unconstitutional and you tell me how thats my advocating something that is Unconstitutional..-Tyr

kabump...

[aboutime]

There are a lot of things I haven't talked about--so what ?

Too bad you had to respond in the typical, NON-RESPONSE Liberal mode. Actually recognized as NO ANSWER.

What's the problem? Can't come up with a typical Obama kind of excuse?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Too bad you had to respond in the typical, NON-RESPONSE Liberal mode. Actually recognized as NO ANSWER.

What's the problem? Can't come up with a typical Obama kind of excuse?

He has went into no answer mode on my last reply to him.. Apparently he can not think of a good spinning reply.-:laugh:

[aboutime]

He has went into no answer mode on my last reply to him.. Apparently he can not think of a good spinning reply.-:laugh:


Might just be a ssssttttuttering ppppproblem.

[Drummond]

The details of what I say true about Islam do matter and matter greatly. Speaking truth is not fanning prejudice! Courting those that plan on your destruction is foolish and reveals a lack of understanding of their true nature! They will never yield, never appreciate any kindness given , never stop their ultimate goal. That is what you refuse to see , admit or properly address! They live for Allah and NOTHING ELSE. And Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world by any and all means they can find to use!
This can not be ignored or foolishly believed to be up for negotiation!!!
They will foolishly obey their leaders, Islam means total submission!--Tyr



:goodposting::goodposting::goodposting:

Putting this simply (perhaps overly simply ?) .. when dealing with a disease, addressing symptoms has only limited value, since you can be tied up with such efforts interminably. What really matters is to recognise the CAUSE, and address THAT.

Tyr's postings do exactly that.

Islam has the long-term goal of universal domination. Tailfins, it is this which needs to be understood and taken on. For as long as people only care about who has what capability to deploy bombs, or other terrorist attacks, what is driving it all will never be addressed. Tackle two terrorist cells, but do nothing to counter what is generating their existence, and it'd only be a matter of time before more cells replace the tackled ones.

... rather like dealing with cancer symptoms, in fact, without trying to eradicate the cancer itself.

Understand the nature of the enemy, its determination to win.

[Dilloduck]

That's it---ya got me--I'm a muslim terrorist :laugh2:

[aboutime]

That's it---ya got me--I'm a muslim terrorist :laugh2:


It would really be good for the nation if Mister Obama would own up to that as well Dilloduck.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That's it---ya got me--I'm a muslim terrorist :laugh2:

Are you now on a confession kick?
Didnt ya mean appeaser? That typo makes a huge difference amigo.--:laugh:-Tyr

[logroller]

The details of what I say true about Islam do matter and matter greatly. Speaking truth is not fanning prejudice! Courting those that plan on your destruction is foolish and reveals a lack of understanding of their true nature! They will never yield, never appreciate any kindness given , never stop their ultimate goal. That is what you refuse to see , admit or properly address! They live for Allah and NOTHING ELSE. And Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world by any and all means they can find to use!
This can not be ignored or foolishly believed to be up for negotiation!!!
They will foolishly obey their leaders, Islam means total submission!--Tyr


The only thing which is foolish is telling one side of story and pretending it is the whole truth. You come across very egocentric. You'd be wise to consider other perspectives.

[Kathianne]

The only thing which is foolish is telling one side of story and pretending it is the whole truth. You come across very egocentric. You'd be wise to consider other perspectives.

In reality, I think his and some others problems are with delivery, not content. Just my opinion. I find the delivery wrong too. It condemns those who aren't of that ilk, but too many are. Thus the conundrum between delivery and content.

[Dilloduck]

Are you now on a confession kick?
Didnt ya mean appeaser? That typo makes a huge difference amigo.--:laugh:-Tyr

Nope----slap the cuffs on me---your super sleuth intuition has caught you a real live arab terrorist. Curses

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

In reality, I think his and some others problems are with delivery, not content. Just my opinion. I find the delivery wrong too. It condemns those who aren't of that ilk, but too many are. Thus the conundrum between delivery and content.

My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!!
No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect.
Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me!
Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!????
So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others.
I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM,
ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr

[Kathianne]

My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!!
No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect.
Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me!
Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!????
So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others.
I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM,
ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr


You and others, how you post and respond, is entirely up to you. I've no 'magic powers' to change any of it. I really don't care, unless being with you all at this site, puts me in a camp with how you all are currently posting.

My agenda as it is, get Obama out. That means convincing others that his way is wrong. That's unlikely to happen if one is labeling him a Muslim, while criticizing him for his Rev. Wright stands. By the same token it's only logical to push up Romney's foreign and domestic stands, while criticizing Obama's performance on both.

[Dilloduck]

My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!!
No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect.
Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me!
Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!????
So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others.
I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM,
ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr

Shocker---everyone who agrees with you understands Islam. Who was your teacher ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Shocker---everyone who agrees with you understands Islam. Who was your teacher ?

YOU SPEAK AS IF YOU ARE VERY INFORMED ABOUT ISLAM. WHO WAS YOUR TEACHER?-Tyr

[Missileman]

My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!!
No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect.
Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me!
Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!????
So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others.
I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM,
ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr


In matters of sprituality, you have no claim to the truth because the truth may or may not be what you perceive it to be. Islam well may be brutal and some of its adherents are without a doubt. The thing you refuse to acknowledge in all your rantings is that since there is no proof to the contrary, Islam may have the inside line to the truth. Not that I believe it's the case, but the Koran is just as likely a divinely inspired guidebook as the Bible. You demand they abandon their truth all the while clinging to yours.

[logroller]

In reality, I think his and some others problems are with delivery, not content. Just my opinion. I find the delivery wrong too. It condemns those who aren't of that ilk, but too many are. Thus the conundrum between delivery and content.
He stated in another thread that he'd laugh at the death of another human being; further elaborating that he'd feel no pity. Could he have delivered that statement more palatably; or perhaps, is it the content?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

He stated in another thread that he'd laugh at the death of another human being; further elaborating that he'd feel no pity. Could he have delivered that statement more palatably; or perhaps, is it the content?

I damn sure did. And I will laugh at their idiotcy. Why should I cry if they get the justice that they deserve over there? Nobody made them go, nobody forced them to place themselves in such danger. What you conveniently ignore is that by giving aid and comfort to our enemies they are breaking the law and are criminals. You may cry for criminals but I do not. Your goody-two-shoes stick is getting old and only fools believe it.-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

In matters of sprituality, you have no claim to the truth because the truth may or may not be what you perceive it to be. Islam well may be brutal and some of its adherents are without a doubt. The thing you refuse to acknowledge in all your rantings is that since there is no proof to the contrary, Islam may have the inside line to the truth. Not that I believe it's the case, but the Koran is just as likely a divinely inspired guidebook as the Bible. You demand they abandon their truth all the while clinging to yours.



Are you that damn dense or just predisposed to lying?
I demand that they STOP MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS TO FURTHER THEIR INSANE WORLD DOMINATION AGENDA.
YOU CALL THAT --THEIR TRUTH!!! YOU ARE REAL FOOLISH FOR SURE..-Tyr

[Missileman]

Are you that damn dense or just predisposed to lying?
I demand that they STOP MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS TO FURTHER THEIR INSANE WORLD DOMINATION AGENDA.
YOU CALL THAT --THEIR TRUTH!!! YOU ARE REAL FOOLISH FOR SURE..-Tyr



I'll say it really slowly, again, for the learning impaired. If Allah is the one TRUE god and Muslims are indeed acting as their god would have them act, then who the fuck are you to tell them to disobey GOD?

BTW, you're the dense one in this thread and I defy you to point to a lie.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'll say it really slowly, again, for the learning impaired. If Allah is the one TRUE god and Muslims are indeed acting as their god would have them act, then who the fuck are you to tell them to disobey GOD?

BTW, you're the dense one in this thread and I defy you to point to a lie.
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I did not demand that they abandone their faith unless you now admit that their faith is murdering innocent people because that was always and is my damn demand. So either you did lie about what I truly demand or you are now admitting that murdering innocent people is their truth,their faith!
And if you admit that then by any standard of decency you dont have a damn leg to stand on genius..

You are not real sharp on thinking deeper than one plus one are you?--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

YOU SPEAK AS IF YOU ARE VERY INFORMED ABOUT ISLAM. WHO WAS YOUR TEACHER?-Tyr

I suspected as much.

[red states rule]

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To insure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport screeners will not be allowed to profile people. They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning former state Governors.

In accordance with this policy, Transportation Security Screener applicants are being asked to take the following test, which will ensure that employees do not harbor hidden biases that could lead to unfortunate assumptions:

--- In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbutt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwartzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

--- In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered in his wheelchair and thrown overboard by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

--- In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:
a. Captain Kid
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- On 9/11/2001, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of innocent people were murdered by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wile E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd
b. Florida's Governor Jeb Bush
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- In 2002 four French journalists, including one woman, were dragged from their cars near the Pakistan border with Afghanistan, taken behind some rocks, and shot to death by:
a. Gang Green's front four
b. Barney
c. The Smashing Pumpkins
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

--- American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami on December 22, 2001 had a passenger with a ‘Shoe Bomb’ who tried to blow up the plane but was over powered and captured by passengers was:
a. A distraught Al Gore gone radical 1960’s hippie mental
b. Monica Lewinsky who said she was tired of hearing Bill play the Saxophone
c. Donald Rumsfeld
d. Richard Colvan Reid a.k.a. Tariq Rajah a.k.a. Abdel Rahim, a typical useless low life cowardly radical Muslim jerk-- caught and convicted of this crime

--- In May 2004 American Businessman Nicholas Evan Berg was captured in Iraq and beheaded by:
a. The French Foreign Legion using a guillotine under direct orders from President Jacques Chirac
b. A wild band of crazy Japanese Samurai Warriors
c. A Philippine Truck Driver who rig ran out of control
d. Committed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of an Islamist (Muslim) terrorist group which is part of al-Qaida operating inside Iraq

Now, please review your answers according to the following key:
‘D’ – as in all answers are ‘D’

If you answered any of the questions incorrectly, please go to the following link and immediately apply for an airport screening position ... http://www.tsa.dot.gov/


http://www.bibleprobe.com/waronterrorupdate.htm

[Abbey Marie]

It would be funny, if it wasn't so tragically true.

[red states rule]

It would be funny, if it wasn't so tragically true.

As I have posted before Abbey, not all Muslims are terrorists

but all terrorists have been Muslims

[Dilloduck]

The obvious solution is to outlaw the practice of Islam in America--problem solved.

[red states rule]

The obvious solution is to outlaw the practice of Islam in America--problem solved.


You know you are beaten in the debate when you fall back on the over the top BS crap. Yes, play the race card and feel good about yourself

Dillo, why you have a soft spot for the f'n terrorists is beyond me

[Dilloduck]

You know you are beaten in the debate when you fall back on the over the top BS crap. Yes, play the race card and feel good about yourself

Dillo, why you have a soft spot for the f'n terrorists is beyond me

What's your solution? Bitchin and moaning solves nothing. I've heard complaints about TSA and muslims for years now. NOTHING IS CHANGED.

[red states rule]

What's your solution? Bitchin and moaning solves nothing. I've heard complaints about TSA and muslims for years now. NOTHING IS CHANGED.

As a start.....

We act like we are in a war

We stop worrying about "offending" the Muslim groups

We actually do racial profile for the terrorists

and we do not treat terrorism as a crime but an act of war

[Dilloduck]

As a start.....

We act like we are in a war

We stop worrying about "offending" the Muslim groups

We actually do racial profile for the terrorists

and we do not treat terrorism as a crime but an act of war

Unconstitutional.
Next idea ?

[red states rule]

Unconstitutional.
Next idea ?

Yes it is unconstitutional for America to defend itself. I remember John Kerry talking about getting a permission slip from the UN before Amercia defends itself

Again Dillo, why the soft spot for the f'n terrorists? Did 9/11 teach you nothing?

[Dilloduck]

Yes it is unconstitutional for America to defend itself. I remember John Kerry talking about getting a permission slip from the UN before Amercia defends itself

Again Dillo, why the soft spot for the f'n terrorists? Did 9/11 teach you nothing?

If you could slip out of your partisan hack persona for a sec and listen for a second it would help. There is no love in my heart for killers of any sort and even before 9/11 I knew there was no such thing as security. Did the the civil rights movement not teach you anything ? The US Constitution is not a UN document. It is America's law.

[red states rule]

If you could slip out of your partisan hack persona for a sec and listen for a second it would help. There is no love in my heart for killers of any sort and even before 9/11 I knew there was no such thing as security. Did the the civil rights movement not teach you anything ? The US Constitution is not a UN document. It is America's law.

I am not whining for the "rights" of terrorists nor do I see how it is unconstitutional for Amercia to defend itself

You are the one with a hard on for the trerrorists Dilo not me. If that makes me a "political hack" so be it - I plead guilty

And if you are going to compare the civil rights movement to protecting and shielding terrorist, then you are insulting those who stood up to the fire hoses and attack dogs.

Of course desperate people do desperate things. and you very desperate in this debate

[Dilloduck]

I am not whining for the "rights" of terrorists nor do I see how it is unconstitutional for Amercia to defend itself

You are the one with a hard on for the trerrorists Dilo not me. If that makes me a "political hack" so be it - I plead guilty

And if you are going to compare the civil rights movement to protecting and shielding terrorist, then you are insulting those who stood up to the fire hoses and attack dogs.

Of course desperate people do desperate things. and you very desperate in this debate

Desperate enough to ignore the Constutution ? You sound just like Obama.

[red states rule]

Desperate enough to ignore the Constutution ? You sound just like Obama.

This from the poster who uses the quote of a rapist as his signiture

It is clear what your values and prioities lie Dillo

and please show me where foreign terrorists are protected by the US Constitution

[Missileman]

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I did not demand that they abandone their faith unless you now admit that their faith is murdering innocent people because that was always and is my damn demand. So either you did lie about what I truly demand or you are now admitting that murdering innocent people is their truth,their faith!
And if you admit that then by any standard of decency you dont have a damn leg to stand on genius..

You are not real sharp on thinking deeper than one plus one are you?--Tyr

Imbecile! Ask yourself what the truth is to a Muslim. You sure as hell are demanding they abandon it. I'll ask you again, but you'll dodge it anyways...Who are you to demand they disobey GOD?

[Dilloduck]

This form the poster who uses the quote of a rapist as his signiture

It is clear what your values and prioities lie Dillo

and please show me where foreign terrorists are protected by the US Constitution

Are you going for intentionally ignorant ? The constitution even gives alleged rapists certain rights.

[red states rule]

Are you going for intentionally ignorant ? The constitution even gives alleged rapists certain rights.

and your support of the rapist tells me (and everyone else) alot about you Dillo

Seems you are getting abit unhinged - may I suggest Decaf?

[Dilloduck]

and your support of the rapist tells me (and everyone else) alot about you Dillo

Seems you are getting abit unhinged - may I suggest Decaf?

Am I right or not ?

[red states rule]

Am I right or not ?


Hey you want to support a rapist that is up to you. Why not add a quote from jerry Sandusky while you are at it?

By the way I bet you had no problem with him publishing classfied info on his website

[Dilloduck]

Hey you want to support a rapist that is up to you. Why not add a quote from jerry Sandusky while you are at it?

By the way I bet you had no problem with him publishing classfied info on his website

I'm supporting the Constitution. You aren't.

[red states rule]

I'm supporting the Constitution. You aren't.

The terrorists thank you for your support (as well as the rapists)

I guess you do not care that people died due to your guy publishing classified docs Dillo. It all about your warped sense of "patriotism"

and I bet you fell damn good about yourself as well

[Dilloduck]

The terrorists thank you for your support (as well as the rapists)

I guess you do not care that people died due to your guy publishing classified docs Dillo. It all about your warped sense of "patriotism"

and I bet you fell damn good about yourself as well

People all over the country are grateful for the constitution. I'm sorry you and some others feel we need to ignore it.

[red states rule]

People all over the country are grateful for the constitution. I'm sorry you and some others feel we need to ignore it.

Not when it prevents the US from defending itself and when people are KILLED Dillo

It is clear you could not care less about that minor happening.

It is fools like you that are the terrorists useful idiots and cause them shake their heads in disbelief people like you can be that f's stupid

[Dilloduck]

Not when it prevents the US from defending itself and when people are KILLED Dillo

It is clear you could not care less about that minor happening.

It is fools like you that are the terrorists useful idiots and cause them shake their heads in disbelief people like you can be that f's stupid

The Rights and Protections in the Constitution have resulted in many "guilty" people going free. It's the price we pay. You don't like it ? Change it. I can't imagine any candidate being real happy about having supporters that openly support ignoring the constitution.

[Drummond]

As a start.....

We act like we are in a war

We stop worrying about "offending" the Muslim groups

We actually do racial profile for the terrorists

and we do not treat terrorism as a crime but an act of war

:goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodpostin g:

Perfectly put !

9/11 was the day war was declared. The enemy hasn't laid down its arms, hasn't surrendered, hasn't shown any sign of showing us that it's given up BEING an enemy.

Since when does one regard an enemy as a friend .. just because some fashion, or chosen convenience, makes it seem - perversely - 'OK' ??

[aboutime]

:goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodpostin g:

Perfectly put !

9/11 was the day war was declared. The enemy hasn't laid down its arms, hasn't surrendered, hasn't shown any sign of showing us that it's given up BEING an enemy.

Since when does one regard an enemy as a friend .. just because some fashion, or chosen convenience, makes it seem - perversely - 'OK' ??



AMEN! This reminds me of WHY the Obama administration demanded the Press, better known as the MSM, cease using the words WAR ON TERROR, and TERRORISTS.
Probably because those words APPLIED more specifically to the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
Just use HOLDER as an example of an INBRED American terrorist who disobeys, and ignores the constitution.

Sadly. Today. We seem to have MORE Enemies living within our borders than outside. And their WAR ROOM in located in Washington DC at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NOW THAT IS PERVERSE.

And...so is this.....3978

[Dilloduck]

:goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodpostin g:

Perfectly put !

9/11 was the day war was declared. The enemy hasn't laid down its arms, hasn't surrendered, hasn't shown any sign of showing us that it's given up BEING an enemy.

Since when does one regard an enemy as a friend .. just because some fashion, or chosen convenience, makes it seem - perversely - 'OK' ??

Why does the enemy insist on killing themselves? Seems like wacky strategy to me.

[aboutime]

Why does the enemy insist on killing themselves? Seems like wacky strategy to me.


Dilloduck. The enemy has just updated their methods of KAMAKAZI tactics from Japanese Zero's to BELTS made of Explosives.

It's not wacky to them. They are all looking forward to those 72 Male Virgins, or that One 72 year old Virgin that they will find in SHANGRI-LA, Muslim style.

[Drummond]

My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!!
No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect.
Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me!
Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!????
So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others.
I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM,
ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr


:goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodpostin g:

Absolutely ! Totally agree.

I may be from the UK, but if anything this has SHARPENED my sense of what Islam is truly about.

Muslims go to a country, to live, to stay, to establish themselves. What they DON'T DO, EVER, is try to integrate. They form their communities, shape them how they want, INSIST that the native population defer to THEM, then use whatever means they can to consolidate not only their non-integrated communities, but to change their environment so that it becomes as Islamic-friendly as possible.

They want mosques ... they build them. Whether or not it defies the law of the land, they hold their Sharia courts. Anyone protesting, defying them, is hit with the 'racist' tag in order to silence them, and if all else fails, then their militancy comes to the fore, which can lead to anything. Protests. Marches. Maybe violent attacks, with or without bombs.

Theirs is a religion of conquest. They are intolerant to others not like them, but insist on total tolerance from others. Displaced populations ? TOO BAD. They want to move to your neighbourhood, so they'll do so. Anyone ever objecting is a bigot and a racist.

In their homelands, they are intolerant to any religion that isn't Islamic. In foreign lands they occupy, they build mosques where churches have been or could be. Anyone 'insults' their religion, their precious Koran, their perverted Prophet Mohammed .. death threats follow, sometimes violence, sometimes killings. Ultimately speaking, they employ an 'accept us or risk death' policy ... as Jihads and Fatwas, not to mention outright terrorism, readily testify.

And as to what they do to THEMSELVES .. well, what about honour killings ? Stonings ? Beheadings ? What's the penalty for apostacy ??

Faced with all of these undoubted and verifiable truths ... why do people still consider it the 'enlightened' thing to do, to show them all possible tolerance ? WITHOUT PROVOCATION OF ANY KIND, 9/11 HAPPENED ... AND STILL, THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO DEFER TO ISLAMISTS !

I really fail to see why.

So I say this ... those who want to defy Tyr's postings in whatever manner you choose to do so .. WHY do you, when so much of what he tells us is known and verifiable ? Is it because Leftie 'PC' propaganda has conned you into it ? Is it because you, too, live in fear of the merest possibility of being branded with the nonsensical 'racist' tag if you don't do the 'trendy' thing and go into terminal deference mode ??

Really .. I'd like to know.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Imbecile! Ask yourself what the truth is to a Muslim. You sure as hell are demanding they abandon it. I'll ask you again, but you'll dodge it anyways...Who are you to demand they disobey GOD?

You are the imbecile not me. You try to justify the evil murdering that they do by the amount of faith they put in it being right thing to do because their God says so. You are just as ffed up as they are with that lameass reasoning! They --believe-- so by your idiotcy Im wrong for pointing out how wrong they are, when they murder for Allah. You are without a doubt about as smart as a box of rocks with that line of bullshat..-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Dilloduck. The enemy has just updated their methods of KAMAKAZI tactics from Japanese Zero's to BELTS made of Explosives.

It's not wacky to them. They are all looking forward to those 72 Male Virgins, or that One 72 year old Virgin that they will find in SHANGRI-LA, Muslim style.

Killing each other ain't wacky ? Seems like it to me----I thought the US was the enemy here.

[Drummond]

Why does the enemy insist on killing themselves? Seems like wacky strategy to me.

Perhaps they can't contain their brutality, their bloodlust ?

Terrorist attacks happen. Terrorists don't conduct a census before attacking, to ensure that only non-Islamists are harmed. They just go ahead and maim, kill, destroy.

Did any of the plane hijackers check to see their targets were free of Muslims beforehand ?

Did any of the London Underground bombers, during the 7/7 attacks in London, board trains and evacuate Muslims from the carriages ? Or maybe pre-warn any would-be Muslim passengers to avoid Tavistock Square that day, so that the bus that was bombed was free of them ?

Nope. Killing is killing, and let's face it, there are Muslims out there who get plenty of practice at it.

It's not as though they place their own lives at a premium, for at least some of the time. Factions battle other factions. The Taliban is known for its lethal brutalities, not only against troops, but their own people. Honour killings, stonings, these things happen, in large part courtesy of Sharia judgments.

You may call it 'wacky', Dilloduck. Muslims, I'm sure, have a different word. Such as ....

'Normality'.

[Dilloduck]

:goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodpostin g:

Absolutely ! Totally agree.

I may be from the UK, but if anything this has SHARPENED my sense of what Islam is truly about.

Muslims go to a country, to live, to stay, to establish themselves. What they DON'T DO, EVER, is try to integrate. They form their communities, shape them how they want, INSIST that the native population defer to THEM, then use whatever means they can to consolidate not only their non-integrated communities, but to change their environment so that it becomes as Islamic-friendly as possible.

They want mosques ... they build them. Whether or not it defies the law of the land, they hold their Sharia courts. Anyone protesting, defying them, is hit with the 'racist' tag in order to silence them, and if all else fails, then their militancy comes to the fore, which can lead to anything. Protests. Marches. Maybe violent attacks, with or without bombs.

Theirs is a religion of conquest. They are intolerant to others not like them, but insist on total tolerance from others. Displaced populations ? TOO BAD. They want to move to your neighbourhood, so they'll do so. Anyone ever objecting is a bigot and a racist.

In their homelands, they are intolerant to any religion that isn't Islamic. In foreign lands they occupy, they build mosques where churches have been or could be. Anyone 'insults' their religion, their precious Koran, their perverted Prophet Mohammed .. death threats follow, sometimes violence, sometimes killings. Ultimately speaking, they employ an 'accept us or risk death' policy ... as Jihads and Fatwas, not to mention outright terrorism, readily testify.

And as to what they do to THEMSELVES .. well, what about honour killings ? Stonings ? Beheadings ? What's the penalty for apostacy ??

Faced with all of these undoubted and verifiable truths ... why do people still consider it the 'enlightened' thing to do, to show them all possible tolerance ? WITHOUT PROVOCATION OF ANY KIND, 9/11 HAPPENED ... AND STILL, THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO DEFER TO ISLAMISTS !

I really fail to see why.

So I say this ... those who want to defy Tyr's postings in whatever manner you choose to do so .. WHY do you, when so much of what he tells us is known and verifiable ? Is it because Leftie 'PC' propaganda has conned you into it ? Is it because you, too, live in fear of the merest possibility of being branded with the nonsensical 'racist' tag if you don't do the 'trendy' thing and go into terminal deference mode ??

Really .. I'd like to know.

No one wants to defer to them, drumass. The idea is that you jsut can't kill em all and solve the problem. Besides being illegal and all that rit rot, it's impossible.

[Dilloduck]

Perhaps they can't contain their brutality, their bloodlust ?

Terrorist attacks happen. Terrorists don't conduct a census before attacking, to ensure that only non-Islamists are harmed. They just go ahead and maim, kill, destroy.

Did any of the plane hijackers check to see their targets were free of Muslims beforehand ?

Did any of the London Underground bombers, during the 7/7 attacks in London, board trains and evacuate Muslims from the carriages ? Or maybe pre-warn any would-be Muslim passengers to avoid Tavistock Square that day, so that the bus that was bombed was free of them ?

Nope. Killing is killing, and let's face it, there are Muslims out there who get plenty of practice at it.

It's not as though they place their own lives at a premium, for at least some of the time. Factions battle other factions. The Taliban is known for its lethal brutalities, not only against troops, but their own people. Honour killings, stonings, these things happen, in large part courtesy of Sharia judgments.

You may call it 'wacky', Dilloduck. Muslims, I'm sure, have a different word. Such as ....

'Normality'.

Bitch bitch bitch---they are war with each other and killing each other and you bitch. WTF do you want ?

[logroller]

As I have posted before Abbey, not all Muslims are terrorists

but all terrorists have been Muslims
timothy mcveigh was Muslim?
Don let facts get in the way of gross generalizations and prejudice.

[Dilloduck]

timothy mcveigh was Muslim?
Don let facts get in the way of gross generalizations and prejudice.

aww and it's such a cute little bromide. too bad it's bullshit. :laugh:

[Drummond]

AMEN! This reminds me of WHY the Obama administration demanded the Press, better known as the MSM, cease using the words WAR ON TERROR, and TERRORISTS.
Probably because those words APPLIED more specifically to the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
Just use HOLDER as an example of an INBRED American terrorist who disobeys, and ignores the constitution.

Sadly. Today. We seem to have MORE Enemies living within our borders than outside. And their WAR ROOM in located in Washington DC at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NOW THAT IS PERVERSE.

And...so is this.....3978

:goodposting::goodposting:

We had something similar. An internal BBC memo was circulated, instructing newsreaders and presenters not to volunteer the word 'terrorist' in any broadcasts. It was considered too negative, too much of a value judgment, something less than neutral. So we heard a lot about 'bombers' and 'insurgents' instead.

When the truth hurts, it's hidden from view. Typical Leftie trick.

[Dilloduck]

:goodposting::goodposting:

We had something similar. An internal BBC memo was circulated, instructing newsreaders and presenters not to volunteer the word 'terrorist' in any broadcasts. It was considered too negative, too much of a value judgment, something less than neutral. So we heard a lot about 'bombers' and 'insurgents' instead.

When the truth hurts, it's hidden from view. Typical Leftie trick.

Well Jesus Christ---are you Limeys just totally impotent now or what ?

[logroller]

No one wants to defer to them, drumass. The idea is that you jsut can't kill em all and solve the problem. Besides being illegal and all that rit rot, it's impossible.

Well a trip of a million miles...
Step one: destabilize governments and incite civil wars :check:

[Robert A Whit]

You are the imbecile not me. You try to justify the evil murdering that they do by the amount of faith they put in it being right thing to do because their God says so. You are just as ffed up as they are with that lameass reasoning! They --believe-- so by your idiotcy Im wrong for pointing out how wrong they are, when they murder for Allah. You are without a doubt about as smart as a box of rocks with that line of bullshat..-Tyr

I don't think they get it direct from GOD. As I understand them, based on hrs and hrs of direct talks with Muslims, GOd is ALLAH and they fly off the handle when Mohammed is trashed.

He wrote down the rules. I hate to speak to the Koran since I have never read all of it. I would go to a book store and read some of the verses. That did not do me that much good.

I can't accept that GOD much cares about the foibles of humans. I think GOD, the AWESOME POWER did indeed create the universe. But I am not talking of GOD in the fashion of religion. I speak of GOD as that power behind the curtain that actually created the entire universe.

Does this mean I am not religious?

Well no. I am. I believe in what is called, heaven. I believe humans have a new form of life upon death.

It is a long story involving an uncle killed in combat as to my reasoning. It connects him, my deceased mother and the s tory of a soldier hardened in combat in WWII thinking he understand war and could survive.

He was killed a few days into the Korean war trying to stop the yellow herd.

He died in a rice paddy in Korea.

[Drummond]

aww and it's such a cute little bromide. too bad it's bullshit. :laugh:

Ah yes, I've seen this argument - that very name - brought up before in just that way.

Well ... count up all the Muslim terrorist attacks the world has seen. Stack that number against the total of terrorist attacks, say in the past 25 years, against all other terrorism. Do you SERIOUSLY argue that the number of Muslim terrorist acts wouldn't massively outweigh any other countering statistics ?

For one .. ask the Israelis for just THEIR tally of attacks Muslims have perpetrated against them.

[Drummond]

I don't think they get it direct from GOD. As I understand them, based on hrs and hrs of direct talks with Muslims, GOd is ALLAH and they fly off the handle when Mohammed is trashed.

He wrote down the rules. I hate to speak to the Koran since I have never read all of it. I would go to a book store and read some of the verses. That did not do me that much good.

I can't accept that GOD much cares about the foibles of humans. I think GOD, the AWESOME POWER did indeed create the universe. But I am not talking of GOD in the fashion of religion. I speak of GOD as that power behind the curtain that actually created the entire universe.

Does this mean I am not religious?

Well no. I am. I believe in what is called, heaven. I believe humans have a new form of life upon death.

It is a long story involving an uncle killed in combat as to my reasoning. It connects him, my deceased mother and the s tory of a soldier hardened in combat in WWII thinking he understand war and could survive.

He was killed a few days into the Korean war trying to stop the yellow herd.

He died in a rice paddy in Korea.

Actually, when you really get down to it, they get it from a pervert. Name of Mohammed.

I've posted this link before .. but it's always worth seeing again. Here's a link to a BBC interview involving Anjem Choudary, the head figure behind 'Islam4uk', at the time of the video a newly-banned Islamic group (.. one that HAD enjoyed 'mainstream' acceptance, until they'd planned a march of protest against a procession in Wootton Bassett, designed to honour the returning British war dead from Afghanistan ..).

Note from the interview the many direct questions fired at Choudary ... what they are, AND CHOUDARY'S REFUSAL TO ANSWER THEM ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQwp45PyWEM

[Dilloduck]

Ah yes, I've seen this argument - that very name - brought up before in just that way.

Well ... count up all the Muslim terrorist attacks the world has seen. Stack that number against the total of terrorist attacks, say in the past 25 years, against all other terrorism. Do you SERIOUSLY argue that the number of Muslim terrorist acts wouldn't massively outweigh any other countering statistics ?

For one .. ask the Israelis for just THEIR tally of attacks Muslims have perpetrated against them.

We are not debating what "outweighs" anything. To say all terrorists are Muslims is to lie ( or be very very stupid ).

[Drummond]

Well a trip of a million miles...
Step one: destabilize governments and incite civil wars :check:

Logroller, how would YOU end the scourge of Muslim terrorism ?

Do you have any answers, or do you only have criticisms and self-defeating blame tactics to offer ?

[Drummond]

We are not debating what "outweighs" anything. To say all terrorists are Muslims is to lie ( or be very very stupid ).

Well ... YOU may not be indulging in that debate, Dilloduck. Understandably so, because you know where it would lead.

And I didn't say that ALL terrorists are Muslims, as my previous posting made clear. I just asked you to consider that, in modern times, they are most certainly responsible for the majority.

Care to show me I'm wrong ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodpostin g:

Absolutely ! Totally agree.

I may be from the UK, but if anything this has SHARPENED my sense of what Islam is truly about.

Muslims go to a country, to live, to stay, to establish themselves. What they DON'T DO, EVER, is try to integrate. They form their communities, shape them how they want, INSIST that the native population defer to THEM, then use whatever means they can to consolidate not only their non-integrated communities, but to change their environment so that it becomes as Islamic-friendly as possible.

They want mosques ... they build them. Whether or not it defies the law of the land, they hold their Sharia courts. Anyone protesting, defying them, is hit with the 'racist' tag in order to silence them, and if all else fails, then their militancy comes to the fore, which can lead to anything. Protests. Marches. Maybe violent attacks, with or without bombs.

Theirs is a religion of conquest. They are intolerant to others not like them, but insist on total tolerance from others. Displaced populations ? TOO BAD. They want to move to your neighbourhood, so they'll do so. Anyone ever objecting is a bigot and a racist.

In their homelands, they are intolerant to any religion that isn't Islamic. In foreign lands they occupy, they build mosques where churches have been or could be. Anyone 'insults' their religion, their precious Koran, their perverted Prophet Mohammed .. death threats follow, sometimes violence, sometimes killings. Ultimately speaking, they employ an 'accept us or risk death' policy ... as Jihads and Fatwas, not to mention outright terrorism, readily testify.

And as to what they do to THEMSELVES .. well, what about honour killings ? Stonings ? Beheadings ? What's the penalty for apostacy ??

Faced with all of these undoubted and verifiable truths ... why do people still consider it the 'enlightened' thing to do, to show them all possible tolerance ? WITHOUT PROVOCATION OF ANY KIND, 9/11 HAPPENED ... AND STILL, THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO DEFER TO ISLAMISTS !

I really fail to see why.

So I say this ... those who want to defy Tyr's postings in whatever manner you choose to do so .. WHY do you, when so much of what he tells us is known and verifiable ? Is it because Leftie 'PC' propaganda has conned you into it ? Is it because you, too, live in fear of the merest possibility of being branded with the nonsensical 'racist' tag if you don't do the 'trendy' thing and go into terminal deference mode ??

Really .. I'd like to know.

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My friend they reject the truth by issuing their hatred for me. I only deliver a portion of it and thats enough to bring out seething hatred complete with lying attacks made about me personally while they ignore the truth posted. Its diversion and a wicked joy mixed for them. I’ve said that Islam does not preach compassion, but Islam is intent on conquering the West, and to do so it is using all the opportunities that the West affords it. The very values, freedom and tolerance, that the West most esteems and embodies in its law, and that Islam would destroy, provide Islam with the means to destroy them. Muslims move into European countries and live freely. (Freely in more ways than one, as disproportionately large numbers of Muslim immigrants live on welfare handouts that the native population pay for with their taxes.) They set up their mosques to preach, and their madrassas to teach their children, to hate the values of their host countries, and to love submission and intolerance. They can do so because the host countries are Tolerant. If any of the native people protest that Islam is manifestly incompatible with their values, their own law/courts in the name of Tolerance punish them and not the Muslim immigrants. Much encouraged by this policy, some of the newcomers kill their new neighbors in acts of terrorism, intending to instill greart fear of Islam But if any of the native people consequently express fear and dislike of Islam, the Muslims cry that they are being subjected to irrational “Islamophobia”. Which is to say, they draw on Western compassion!Aprime example of this is what has happened in America since the destruction on September 9, 2001, in a profoundly religious act of hatred, of the World Trade Center in New York, when Muslims flew two airplanes into the Twin Towers and killed over 3000 people.
Time passes and the scar remains on the face of the city. For most Americans it is a place of tragedy. But for Muslims it is a place of Victory. And certain Muslims proposed to build a mosque as close to it as they can. While many on the political Left are in favor of the project – citing freedom and tolerance to support their view – there was an outcry of passionate opposition from many more. This arrogance coming so naturally from the muslims is taught in their religion, not a spirited courageous act of tolerance! History has many famous examples in which they to celebrate a great victory utterly destroyed an enemy church in order to build a Victory mosque to Stand for the World to marvel at!
Intolerance is their way, death is their Sword and destruction leading to subjugation is their master plan!-Tyr
.

[Drummond]

Well Jesus Christ---are you Limeys just totally impotent now or what ?

Tut tut. Did I strike a nerve ?

Dilloduck, when a debating opponent stoops to something like this, what it tells me, is .. apart from something highly uncomplimentary about the poster .. that my opponent has run out of (or is about to run out of ..) any arguments offering substance.

How sad for you. :lol:

[Drummond]

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My friend they reject the truth by issuing their hatred for me. I only deliver a portion of it and thats enough to bring out seething hatred complete with lying attacks made about me personally while they ignore the truth posted. Its diversion and a wicked joy mixed for them. I’ve said that Islam does not preach compassion, but Islam is intent on conquering the West, and to do so it is using all the opportunities that the West affords it. The very values, freedom and tolerance, that the West most esteems and embodies in its law, and that Islam would destroy, provide Islam with the means to destroy them. Muslims move into European countries and live freely. (Freely in more ways than one, as disproportionately large numbers of Muslim immigrants live on welfare handouts that the native population pay for with their taxes.) They set up their mosques to preach, and their madrassas to teach their children, to hate the values of their host countries, and to love submission and intolerance. They can do so because the host countries are Tolerant. If any of the native people protest that Islam is manifestly incompatible with their values, their own law/courts in the name of Tolerance punish them and not the Muslim immigrants. Much encouraged by this policy, some of the newcomers kill their new neighbors in acts of terrorism, intending to instill greart fear of Islam But if any of the native people consequently express fear and dislike of Islam, the Muslims cry that they are being subjected to irrational “Islamophobia”. Which is to say, they draw on Western compassion!Aprime example of this is what has happened in America since the destruction on September 9, 2001, in a profoundly religious act of hatred, of the World Trade Center in New York, when Muslims flew two airplanes into the Twin Towers and killed over 3000 people.
Time passes and the scar remains on the face of the city. For most Americans it is a place of tragedy. But for Muslims it is a place of Victory. And certain Muslims proposed to build a mosque as close to it as they can. While many on the political Left are in favor of the project – citing freedom and tolerance to support their view – there was an outcry of passionate opposition from many more. This arrogance coming so naturally from the muslims is taught in their religion, not a spirited courageous act of tolerance! History has many famous examples in which they to celebrate a great victory utterly destroyed an enemy church in order to build a Victory mosque to Stand for the World to marvel at!
Intolerance is their way, death is their Sword and destruction leading to subjugation is their master plan!-Tyr
.

Exactly so, Tyr.

The Ground Zero Mosque was, undoubtedly, a Muslim equivalent of a conquering power going to a foreign land and planting their flag on it. A victory gesture, and one carefully crafted to be as insulting and derisory as possible. Ah, but .. you'll have your 'trendy Lefties' telling you how 'enlightened' it is to tolerate its presence ... and anything else Muslims want, besides.

No fawning deference, no matter how abusive, is too great for them to support and to preach.

I understand that the Muslim chiefly responsible for insisting that the Mosque be constructed where he intended, actually argued that he wasn't free to try and site it anywhere else ... he was following what he considered to be an imperative to proceed as planned. This can ONLY be because the need to foist a 'conqueror's insult' was the paramount motivation.

But the Left want to be blind to this, and insist that everyone else joins them in that selective blindness.

In essence ... this is treasonous in nature, surely, on a number of levels ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No one wants to defer to them, drumass. The idea is that you jsut can't kill em all and solve the problem. Besides being illegal and all that rit rot, it's impossible.


First major sign that you have lost is attempting to score by corrupting the name of your opponent. A bit childish too.-:laugh:
bad, bad boy ,dillo..

How about we just kill the ones that are the problem? Or do you maintain that its all of them??--Tyr

[logroller]

Logroller, how would YOU end the scourge of Muslim terrorism ?

Do you have any answers, or do you only have criticisms and self-defeating blame tactics to offer ?

I don't believe terrorism to be a scourge; its hate that's that scourge, and there's only one remedy- love. So let me ask you: how do you foster love?

[Dilloduck]

First major sign that you have lost is attempting to score by corrupting the name of your opponent. A bit childish too.-:laugh:
bad, bad boy ,dillo..

How about we just kill the ones that are the problem? Or do you maintain that its all of them??--Tyr

Oh Jesus----Mr. Ad homonim is going to lecture me. :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Oh Jesus----Mr. Ad homonim is going to lecture me. :laugh:

Damn dude , you act like I am not supposed to return fire when it has been lobbed at me so often.. However Drummonds did not corrupt your name . For instance, I' ve never seen him refer to you as dildo!! --:laugh:-Tyr

[Drummond]

I don't believe terrorism to be a scourge; its hate that's that scourge, and there's only one remedy- love. So let me ask you: how do you foster love?

??????????????

You don't believe terrorism to be a scourge ? What is it then, just committed by a bunch of people with anger management difficulties ?!?

I invite you to check out footage of the Twin Towers being attacked, and what that led to, and tell me it was all something tolerable !!

Tell you what. Why not get your Government to broadcast a message of 'love' to Al Qaeda. See for yourself what the reaction would be .. not to mention the reaction from most (?? not ALL ??) Americans when learning what was being done in their name ...

Logroller, you tackle terrorism by DEFEATING it. Terrorism, by its very nature, isn't indulged in by those predisposed to any thought of compromise !! Terrorists terrorise to maim and kill, and to win through those savageries.

[Drummond]

Damn dude , you act like I am not supposed to return fire when it has been lobbed at me so often.. However Drummonds did not corrupt your name . For instance, I' ve never seen him refer to you as dildo!! --:laugh:-Tyr

:clap::clap::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

??????????????

You don't believe terrorism to be a scourge ? What is it then, just committed by a bunch of people with anger management difficulties ?!?

I invite you to check out footage of the Twin Towers being attacked, and what that led to, and tell me it was all something tolerable !!

Tell you what. Why not get your Government to broadcast a message of 'love' to Al Qaeda. See for yourself what the reaction would be .. not to mention the reaction from most (?? not ALL ??) Americans when learning what was being done in their name ...

Logroller, you tackle terrorism by DEFEATING it. Terrorism, by its very nature, isn't indulged in by those predisposed to any thought of compromise !! Terrorists terrorise to maim and kill, and to win through those savageries.

Log, fails to realise that to them compromise is like putting gasoline on a fire! It encourages them to increase what they are doing . It validates to them that they are on a winning path. ALL appeasement to them does is encourage more of the same that brought it on! I truly amazed at how gullible some people are. And how often those people demand that others go along with their abject ignorance.. Their decades of propaganda has worked wonders on those with lesser minds in our country..-
DEFEAT is the only thing they respect!!!--Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

What's your solution? Bitchin and moaning solves nothing. I've heard complaints about TSA and muslims for years now. NOTHING IS CHANGED.

Bitching and moaning are requisite first steps to change. See: America, circa 1765.

[logroller]

??????????????

You don't believe terrorism to be a scourge ? What is it then, just committed by a bunch of people with anger management difficulties ?!?

I invite you to check out footage of the Twin Towers being attacked, and what that led to, and tell me it was all something tolerable !!

Tell you what. Why not get your Government to broadcast a message of 'love' to Al Qaeda. See for yourself what the reaction would be .. not to mention the reaction from most (?? not ALL ??) Americans when learning what was being done in their name ...

Logroller, you tackle terrorism by DEFEATING it. Terrorism, by its very nature, isn't indulged in by those predisposed to any thought of compromise !! Terrorists terrorise to maim and kill, and to win through those savageries.
You can't love or dont know how...now that, I find terrifying. I wasn't terrified by the WTC attacks. My emotions are mine to control. Did I find it a snseless act of destruction, of course. But that doesn't make me want to hate or destroy some more.

If you're right, that love is an unworthy cause, than what is worthy? What good is there to living absent love? It's the most powerful thing known to man, and many brave lovers of man perished at the hands of those who's agendas were undermined by the promotion of that revelationary principle. You too are threaten by it. So is al Qaida. But you've nothing to fear but fear itself.

What I realize is that you're merely a puppet for the power players who manipulate resource and capital markets. Which is fine, some people like puppet shows... Just not me. I'm a behind the scenes kinda guy. That's why i have a problem with crap laws like the patriot act-- which are tools of a totalitarian state put in place to combat the latest manufactured enemy of the state: terrorism. Which serves merely to inspire fear and hate to advance greed-- this ones ingenious too, because there's really no foreseeable end to it. You want to focus your attention on a symptom rather than the cause, be my guest, but I choose to pay attention to man behind behind the curtain.

[Missileman]

You are the imbecile not me. You try to justify the evil murdering that they do by the amount of faith they put in it being right thing to do because their God says so. You are just as ffed up as they are with that lameass reasoning! They --believe-- so by your idiotcy Im wrong for pointing out how wrong they are, when they murder for Allah. You are without a doubt about as smart as a box of rocks with that line of bullshat..-Tyr

I'm not justifying anything you moron. You keep blathering on and on and on and on some more that you are this great champion of the truth. I've tried, unsuccessfully thus far, to make you realize that YOU aren't necessarily working from a position of truth. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, their claim of divine inspriration and guidance is just as valid as your's or anyone else's. What you believe has no bearing on the truth.

[Missileman]

timothy mcveigh was Muslim?
Don let facts get in the way of gross generalizations and prejudice.

You didn't know his A-rab name was Osama Al Bino? :laugh2:

[red states rule]

:goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodpostin g:

Perfectly put !

9/11 was the day war was declared. The enemy hasn't laid down its arms, hasn't surrendered, hasn't shown any sign of showing us that it's given up BEING an enemy.

Since when does one regard an enemy as a friend .. just because some fashion, or chosen convenience, makes it seem - perversely - 'OK' ??


In Dillo's world the following should be treated as a crime and fought with Judges, law books, and lawyers.

Meanwhile the terrorusts continue to slaughter people as Dillo screams how we need to restrain ourselfs


http://aurblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/9-11_before_collapse.jpg



http://www.crystalinks.com/911fallingman.jpg



http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/wtc-firetruck.jpg

[red states rule]

timothy mcveigh was Muslim?
Don let facts get in the way of gross generalizations and prejudice.

LR I am disappointed you have pulled out such an old and wornout liberal talking point

McVeigh was a lone idiot who hated the government

The Muslim terrorists are killing people in the name of Allah and as the Koran tells them to do

It is sad to see wimpy ass libs call the Ft Hood massacre "workplace violence" dispite the fat the Muslim pig was killing people as he shouted the name of Allah. Also for the sake of political correctness the libs in charge ignored all the signs of his links to terrorists

I do not know what it will take for you libs to understand you cannot fight terrorists with kind words, hugs, and bribes of cash to be our friends

[Drummond]

You can't love or dont know how...now that, I find terrifying. I wasn't terrified by the WTC attacks. My emotions are mine to control. Did I find it a snseless act of destruction, of course. But that doesn't make me want to hate or destroy some more.

If you're right, that love is an unworthy cause, than what is worthy? What good is there to living absent love? It's the most powerful thing known to man, and many brave lovers of man perished at the hands of those who's agendas were undermined by the promotion of that revelationary principle. You too are threaten by it. So is al Qaida. But you've nothing to fear but fear itself.

What I realize is that you're merely a puppet for the power players who manipulate resource and capital markets. Which is fine, some people like puppet shows... Just not me. I'm a behind the scenes kinda guy. That's why i have a problem with crap laws like the patriot act-- which are tools of a totalitarian state put in place to combat the latest manufactured enemy of the state: terrorism. Which serves merely to inspire fear and hate to advance greed-- this ones ingenious too, because there's really no foreseeable end to it. You want to focus your attention on a symptom rather than the cause, be my guest, but I choose to pay attention to man behind behind the curtain.

Logroller, I'm nobody's puppet ... please, don't be tiresome with ridiculous jibes such as this. If I were a puppet, or ever inclined to be, then I'd be far more 'PC' orientated, deciding instead to march in lockstep with the authorities in my country who insist that 'Islam is a religion of peace', and that unending deference is necessary in order to prove I'm no racist !!

I didn't say that love was 'an unworthy cause' .. if you believe I did, show me where I said this !! No ... the point - surely an obvious one ?? - is that you apply the solution to a problem which best remedies it. And, Logroller, I'm sorry, but if you think declarations of 'love' aimed at the likes of Al Qaeda are going to make even the slightest headway with them, you're just not facing reality .. not even slightly !!

You may feel some burning need to turn the other cheek when scum are busily blowing people to smithereens, or otherwise arrogantly encroaching on your society, purely to serve their own interests, and wholly against your own. But don't make the mistake in thinking that we're all so eager to surrender to aggressors !

Given that Al Qaeda would laugh at approaches of 'love' aimed their way .. and really, Logroller, who seriously doubts they would ?!? .. I ask you AGAIN. What is your solution to combat, and negate, terrorism ?

Do you have one to offer ? If not .. why not just admit it ?

[red states rule]

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[Drummond]

In Dillo's world the following should be treated as a crime and fought with Judges, law books, and lawyers.

Meanwhile the terrorusts continue to slaughter people as Dillo screams how we need to restrain ourselfs


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Yes. Exactly.

To Logroller: LOOK AT THESE PICTURES. I have a question for you.

Imagine that you were a passenger on one of those jets flown into either one of the Twin Towers, on that fateful day. There you are ... with your beliefs (.. as you've described them to be ..) intact, and you wish to be true to them in the position you find yourself in .. on a hijacked plane, terrorists bent upon mass murder and destruction, dedicated to their barbarous mission.

You may do it alone, or, you may persuade others to join you in the effort. But, in this scenario, you decide that these hijacking murderers-to-be can be approached with expressions of 'love', and so be persuaded to give up on their terrorist goal.

Now, I'm asking this .. do you SERIOUSLY think you'd have had the SMALLEST chance of stopping their terrorism by doing any of that ???

If the answer is 'no' .. then please don't waste our times persisting with your argument any further. But if your answer is 'yes' ... then, persuade me that this could ever have happened.

[red states rule]

Yes. Exactly.

To Logroller: LOOK AT THESE PICTURES. I have a question for you.

Imagine that you were a passenger on one of those jets flown into either one of the Twin Towers, on that fateful day. There you are ... with your beliefs (.. as you've described them to be ..) intact, and you wish to be true to them in the position you find yourself in .. on a hijacked plane, terrorists bent upon mass murder and destruction, dedicated to their barbarous mission.

You may do it alone, or, you may persuade others to join you in the effort. But, in this scenario, you decide that these hijacking murderers-to-be can be approached with expressions of 'love', and so be persuaded to give up on their terrorist goal.

Now, I'm asking this .. do you SERIOUSLY think you'd have had the SMALLEST chance of stopping their terrorism by doing any of that ???

If the answer is 'no' .. then please don't waste our times persisting with your argument any further. But if your answer is 'yes' ... then, persuade me that this could ever have happened.

I also want to hear from LR and why he tried to compare Tim McLame to the Allah loving terrorists

[red states rule]

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[red states rule]

Bitching and moaning are requisite first steps to change. See: America, circa 1765.

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[logroller]

Logroller, I'm nobody's puppet ... please, don't be tiresome with ridiculous jibes such as this. If I were a puppet, or ever inclined to be, then I'd be far more 'PC' orientated, deciding instead to march in lockstep with the authorities in my country who insist that 'Islam is a religion of peace', and that unending deference is necessary in order to prove I'm no racist !!

I didn't say that love was 'an unworthy cause' .. if you believe I did, show me where I said this !! No ... the point - surely an obvious one ?? - is that you apply the solution to a problem which best remedies it. And, Logroller, I'm sorry, but if you think declarations of 'love' aimed at the likes of Al Qaeda are going to make even the slightest headway with them, you're just not facing reality .. not even slightly !!

You may feel some burning need to turn the other cheek when scum are busily blowing people to smithereens, or otherwise arrogantly encroaching on your society, purely to serve their own interests, and wholly against your own. But don't make the mistake in thinking that we're all so eager to surrender to aggressors !

Given that Al Qaeda would laugh at approaches of 'love' aimed their way .. and really, Logroller, who seriously doubts they would ?!? .. I ask you AGAIN. What is your solution to combat, and negate, terrorism ?

Do you have one to offer ? If not .. why not just admit it ?
That others think love is laughable; something to dismissed or mocked speaks to me of someone who desperately needs love in their life. That's why I offer love; you just fail to see it because you're stuck in the short-sighted paradigm that terrorism just sprung up because of islamic teachings. Terror is nothing new. It has been used as tool of negotiating power for eons. Everybody uses terror Drummond. Fear is powerful motivator. That's what you're trying to do, prey on my fear of this ubiquitous evil. Don't expect your fear to infect me any time soon. I'm not scared of Islam. You know what scares me the most about 9/11-- that our defense agency had rehearsed the scenario and failed to intercept it. That's more terrifying than the fact people hate America enough to try. That we had identified a possible attack, rehearsed it and still failed to respond-- That's a problem that begs attention.

Identify enemy and destroy-- that's your solution. What you have is a solution looking for problem. I don't believe terrorism is the problem. Not the root problem anyhow. It's the military- industrial complex. War is insanely profitable. So when money is to be made, one needs generate an opportunity. The war on terror is this opportunity. Love it or hate it, that's the cold hard truth that all wars share.

I've told you my solution, you dismissed it as unreasonable. Have you ever personally shown a Muslim love, compassion, understanding? Just who are you to say what another will do?

Why don't you just admit that any solution I offer that doesn't fit your doctrine, doesn't count?

I focus not on what I need to be do to combat, negate, or any other word you wish substitute for destroy. There's enough destruction already; I choose to build. I try to do that everyday through love and understanding. Greed is the problem, hate is the mechanism, and terror is the manifestation. I don't believe we'll ever eliminate all the hate in the world. Do you? Of course you don't, that's why you've chosen to pick an easier fight, because you see nothing less than subjugation of the enemy as evidence of success. I see success in love. When faced with love or hate, I take my stand and its love. I don't need to convince anybody to love, but I believe I will, and my love will exist in perpetuity.

[tailfins]

That others think love is laughable; something to dismissed or mocked speaks to me of someone who desperately needs love in their life. That's why I offer love; you just fail to see it because you're stuck in the short-sighted paradigm that terrorism just sprung up because of islamic teachings. Terror is nothing new. It has been used as tool of negotiating power for eons. Everybody uses terror Drummond. Fear is powerful motivator. That's what you're trying to do, prey on my fear of this ubiquitous evil. Don't expect your fear to infect me any time soon. I'm not scared of Islam. You know what scares me the most about 9/11-- that our defense agency had rehearsed the scenario and failed to intercept it. That's more terrifying than the fact people hate America enough to try. That we had identified a possible attack, rehearsed it and still failed to respond-- That's a problem that begs attention.

Identify enemy and destroy-- that's your solution. What you have is a solution looking for problem. I don't believe terrorism is the problem. Not the root problem anyhow. It's the military- industrial complex. War is insanely profitable. So when money is to be made, one needs generate an opportunity. The war on terror is this opportunity. Love it or hate it, that's the cold hard truth that all wars share.

I've told you my solution, you dismissed it as unreasonable. Have you ever personally shown a Muslim love, compassion, understanding? Just who are you to say what another will do?

Why don't you just admit that any solution I offer that doesn't fit your doctrine, doesn't count?

I focus not on what I need to be do to combat, negate, or any other word you wish substitute for destroy. There's enough destruction already; I choose to build. I try to do that everyday through love and understanding. Greed is the problem, hate is the mechanism, and terror is the manifestation. I don't believe we'll ever eliminate all the hate in the world. Do you? Of course you don't, that's why you've chosen to pick an easier fight, because you see nothing less than subjugation of the enemy as evidence of success. I see success in love. When faced with love or hate, I take my stand and its love. I don't need to convince anybody to love, but I believe I will, and my love will exist in perpetuity.


I will settle for intelligence. Making 1.5 BILLION people into an enemy and fanning wholesale prejudice is stupidity and facile. If you take the worst "one in a million" Muslims, you still have 1500 to paint the picture some posters on here want to paint. I guess with the chest thumpers, we don't need military strategists and our whole intelligence infrastructure. I say let the professionals do the work they were trained to do. We are told that we have the greatest military in the world. Isn't the thing to do let them do what they do best.

[fj1200]

First major sign that you have lost is attempting to score by corrupting the name of your opponent. A bit childish too.-:laugh:


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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm not justifying anything you moron. You keep blathering on and on and on and on some more that you are this great champion of the truth. I've tried, unsuccessfully thus far, to make you realize that YOU aren't necessarily working from a position of truth. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, their claim of divine inspriration and guidance is just as valid as your's or anyone else's. What you believe has no bearing on the truth.

I do not have to prove otherwise to you or to anybody else. That you choose to believe they could be right is daft. SO, THEY COULD BE RIGHT AND GOD WANTS TERROR AND MURDER OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!???
The reality is that they pursue a campaign of murder sanctioned by their Holy book,the fact that you pose the question "what if they are right" is senseless, meaningless and downright goofy!
What if they were right, would you say its fine for them to come eliminate your family ? If not, what is your damn point other than your desire to attack me and the truth that I present about them?
In my postings about Islam's goal and evil murdering ways I've not used much of the Christian principles as a counter. Instead I've used reality, facts and examples of the murdering of innocent people to highlight what they do. In with that I passionately put forth my opinions about it all. Why you think you have a great point about - "they could be right" - mystifies me.
As I do NOT ACCEPT anybody has a right to kill or enslave me and mine. -AND TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT -- FVCK THEIR GOD!
More importantly is that I see the threat and am prepared to defend me and mine.
Who is the moron can easily be seen in regards to this subject.. You seem to believe that your little --"what if" -- query is magnificently important but in reality its just idle musing thought to be brilliance by you.-Tyr

[Drummond]

That others think love is laughable; something to dismissed or mocked speaks to me of someone who desperately needs love in their life. That's why I offer love; you just fail to see it because you're stuck in the short-sighted paradigm that terrorism just sprung up because of islamic teachings. Terror is nothing new. It has been used as tool of negotiating power for eons. Everybody uses terror Drummond. Fear is powerful motivator. That's what you're trying to do, prey on my fear of this ubiquitous evil. Don't expect your fear to infect me any time soon. I'm not scared of Islam. You know what scares me the most about 9/11-- that our defense agency had rehearsed the scenario and failed to intercept it. That's more terrifying than the fact people hate America enough to try. That we had identified a possible attack, rehearsed it and still failed to respond-- That's a problem that begs attention.

Identify enemy and destroy-- that's your solution. What you have is a solution looking for problem. I don't believe terrorism is the problem. Not the root problem anyhow. It's the military- industrial complex. War is insanely profitable. So when money is to be made, one needs generate an opportunity. The war on terror is this opportunity. Love it or hate it, that's the cold hard truth that all wars share.

I've told you my solution, you dismissed it as unreasonable. Have you ever personally shown a Muslim love, compassion, understanding? Just who are you to say what another will do?

Why don't you just admit that any solution I offer that doesn't fit your doctrine, doesn't count?

I focus not on what I need to be do to combat, negate, or any other word you wish substitute for destroy. There's enough destruction already; I choose to build. I try to do that everyday through love and understanding. Greed is the problem, hate is the mechanism, and terror is the manifestation. I don't believe we'll ever eliminate all the hate in the world. Do you? Of course you don't, that's why you've chosen to pick an easier fight, because you see nothing less than subjugation of the enemy as evidence of success. I see success in love. When faced with love or hate, I take my stand and its love. I don't need to convince anybody to love, but I believe I will, and my love will exist in perpetuity.

Logroller, thanks for the speech. But it really needs to be said, when you really get down to it ... you offer nothing of practical value.

Please TRY to understand ....

I have painted for you the scenario of how you'd approach terrorists on board one of the planes being aimed at a Twin Tower .. did I not ? I wanted you to imagine being a passenger, during 9/11, facing the ongoing hijacking, and the practicality - or more realistically, the IMpracticality, of approaching a terrorist there 'with love' as your message and your intended expression to said terrorist. Needless to say, you've ducked the specific examination of that scenario.

.. and, why ? It's obvious. BECAUSE SUCH AN APPROACH WOULD'VE NEVER WORKED, AND WELL YOU KNOW IT.

Do you imagine that other Muslim terrorists are any less committed to their goals, their murderous savageries, than THEY were ? If you do, present your evidence. Show me that the likes of Al Qaeda are naturally LESS murderous than those 9/11 terrorists themselves were. And Logroller, if you can't do it, accept the near-uselessness of your approach.

Logroller, there's a real world out there, and its problems just HAVE to be tackled realistically. That you may hope that your approach can work, doesn't say that it WILL. Fact is that there are hate-fuelled Islamists out there who live to destroy. To conquer. To make sure that Islam is the only religion in the world.

Theirs is one interminable Jihad against those not like themselves. That Jihad may take more than one form, but its intention is hostile to you, and all you believe in.

Tyr understands these realities, and speaks up about them .. honestly, informatively, usefully. You, Logroller, seem so mired in a mindset held to out of personal preference that you cannot see anything beyond that. Well ... beyond that, Logroller, is an entire world that in large measure doesn't share your mindset. That you believe they should is neither here nor there.

I say this ... Islam is analogous to a disease. Do doctors treat diseases by 'showing them love' .. or, do they craft treatments intended to DESTROY diseases ?

And consider this .. since it may better fit your mindset and your preferred worldview: isn't curing a loved one of a disease, BY DESTROYING IT, perceivable as an 'act of love' ?

Now -- apply that to the world. Would you profess to love the world ? If 'yes' ... don't you want to see it cured of its ills ? Now ... take the lesson, the analogy, I've suggested above .. and, now, finally, tell me how this may REALISTICALLY be done !!

[Drummond]

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Absolutely !!

[Dilloduck]

In Dillo's world the following should be treated as a crime and fought with Judges, law books, and lawyers.

Meanwhile the terrorusts continue to slaughter people as Dillo screams how we need to restrain ourselfs


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Not really---I was on the side of invading Afghanistan all the way. Nice try tho

[Dilloduck]

??????????????

You don't believe terrorism to be a scourge ? What is it then, just committed by a bunch of people with anger management difficulties ?!?

I invite you to check out footage of the Twin Towers being attacked, and what that led to, and tell me it was all something tolerable !!

Tell you what. Why not get your Government to broadcast a message of 'love' to Al Qaeda. See for yourself what the reaction would be .. not to mention the reaction from most (?? not ALL ??) Americans when learning what was being done in their name ...

Logroller, you tackle terrorism by DEFEATING it. Terrorism, by its very nature, isn't indulged in by those predisposed to any thought of compromise !! Terrorists terrorise to maim and kill, and to win through those savageries.

You tackle terrorism by defeating it ? :laugh2: This is a prime example of meaningless rhetoric.
Obama would say stuff like this.

[logroller]

Logroller, thanks for the speech. But it really needs to be said, when you really get down to it ... you offer nothing of practical value.

Please TRY to understand ....

I have painted for you the scenario of how you'd approach terrorists on board one of the planes being aimed at a Twin Tower .. did I not ? I wanted you to imagine being a passenger, during 9/11, facing the ongoing hijacking, and the practicality - or more realistically, the IMpracticality, of approaching a terrorist there 'with love' as your message and your intended expression to said terrorist. Needless to say, you've ducked the specific examination of that scenario.

.. and, why ? It's obvious. BECAUSE SUCH AN APPROACH WOULD'VE NEVER WORKED, AND WELL YOU KNOW IT.

Do you imagine that other Muslim terrorists are any less committed to their goals, their murderous savageries, than THEY were ? If you do, present your evidence. Show me that the likes of Al Qaeda are naturally LESS murderous than those 9/11 terrorists themselves were. And Logroller, if you can't do it, accept the near-uselessness of your approach.

Logroller, there's a real world out there, and its problems just HAVE to be tackled realistically. That you may hope that your approach can work, doesn't say that it WILL. Fact is that there are hate-fuelled Islamists out there who live to destroy. To conquer. To make sure that Islam is the only religion in the world.

Theirs is one interminable Jihad against those not like themselves. That Jihad may take more than one form, but its intention is hostile to you, and all you believe in.

Tyr understands these realities, and speaks up about them .. honestly, informatively, usefully. You, Logroller, seem so mired in a mindset held to out of personal preference that you cannot see anything beyond that. Well ... beyond that, Logroller, is an entire world that in large measure doesn't share your mindset. That you believe they should is neither here nor there.

I say this ... Islam is analogous to a disease. Do doctors treat diseases by 'showing them love' .. or, do they craft treatments intended to DESTROY diseases ?

And consider this .. since it may better fit your mindset and your preferred worldview: isn't curing a loved one of a disease, BY DESTROYING IT, perceivable as an 'act of love' ?

Now -- apply that to the world. Would you profess to love the world ? If 'yes' ... don't you want to see it cured of its ills ? Now ... take the lesson, the analogy, I've suggested above .. and, now, finally, tell me how this may REALISTICALLY be done !!
You ignore the actual cause of terrorism. I know why too, you're too weak to actually change the world; preferring instead to pose some hypothetical about what if i was on the plane. I wasn't, and neither were you. You don't know what you'd do in such a situation until you are actually there. I've trained for hostage situations and the dirt thing is remain calm and situationally aware. On that September day in 2001, most weren't aware of the situation. And those who were failed to respond. You know who spends a lot of time rehearsing what would be done in such situations; our military. And they fucked up royally. So what in your estimation do you have to offer oh wise one-- maybe offer it to those who actually train for that sort of scenario. Let me know what practical value they think you have to offer.

Otherwise, Feel free to ignore me if you think I nothing of practical value. I think ill do the same. I'm sick and tired if your constant condescension. Peace out.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You ignore the actual cause of terrorism. I know why too, you're too weak to actually change the world; preferring instead to pose some hypothetical about what if i was on the plane. I wasn't, and neither were you. You don't know what you'd do in such a situation until you are actually there. I've trained for hostage situations and the dirt thing is remain calm and situationally aware. On that September day in 2001, most weren't aware of the situation. And those who were failed to respond. You know who spends a lot of time rehearsing what would be done in such situations; our military. And they fucked up royally. So what in your estimation do you have to offer oh wise one-- maybe offer it to those who actually train for that sort of scenario. Let me know what practical value they think you have to offer.

Otherwise, Feel free to ignore me if you think I nothing of practical value. I think ill do the same. I'm sick and tired if your constant condescension. Peace out.

Why will you not answer his question? Seems to me it is you that is running from an obvious TRUTH..
Please point out the condescension in his posts to you.
Ignore him if you cant best him , right????? --:laugh:--Tyr

[red states rule]

LR I am disappointed you have pulled out such an old and wornout liberal talking point

McVeigh was a lone idiot who hated the government

The Muslim terrorists are killing people in the name of Allah and as the Koran tells them to do

It is sad to see wimpy ass libs call the Ft Hood massacre "workplace violence" dispite the fat the Muslim pig was killing people as he shouted the name of Allah. Also for the sake of political correctness the libs in charge ignored all the signs of his links to terrorists

I do not know what it will take for you libs to understand you cannot fight terrorists with kind words, hugs, and bribes of cash to be our friends


No comment LR?

[red states rule]

You tackle terrorism by defeating it ? :laugh2: This is a prime example of meaningless rhetoric.
Obama would say stuff like this.

Yea, lets give peace a chance Dillo

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[red states rule]

Not really---I was on the side of invading Afghanistan all the way. Nice try tho

Yea, invading with lawyers, crime scene tape, law books, and copies of the Mini Miranda for all the troops to read to anyone taken prisoner on the battlefield

That is how your kind "fights" this war

[logroller]

Why will you not answer his question? Seems to me it is you that is running from an obvious TRUTH..
Please point out the condescension in his posts to you.
Ignore him if you cant best him , right????? --:laugh:--Tyr
His hypothetical question was meant to arouse an emotional response, but my emotions are my own. I answered his question based on my own actual experiences, not hypothetical responses to a situation I've not been in. He just doesn't like any answer other than "let's roll", so he dismisses it. Your version of the truth is just that, your's. You and drummond have no authority to speak to what I nor anyone else should do based on your version of the truth. Each person can make their own stand. I've made mine. You don't have to like it; but your not agreeing with it doesn't make your stand better than my own.

Here's a question for you Tyr. It is a fact that our military was made situationally aware of the 9/11 hijackings; they had even rehearsed it as demonstrated by the response to a civil air traffic controller's report of the hijackings when NORAD asked "is this for real, or a drill?" --Why didn't our military intercept the airliners? Maybe you should talk to them about making a stand, not I.

[Missileman]

SO, THEY COULD BE RIGHT AND GOD WANTS TERROR AND MURDER OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!???


Congratulations...it only took you a few weeks to finally get the point.

[logroller]

I also want to hear from LR and why he tried to compare Tim McLame to the Allah loving terrorists

They both seek to induce terror to further the ideological construct that the American government is what stands in their way of their pursuits.

Someone please show me where terrorism is defined by it's religious ideology.

[logroller]

No comment LR?
Show me where an act of terrorism is defined as an action taken by a group of idiots?

[red states rule]

They both seek to induce terror to further the ideological construct that the American government is what stands in their way of their pursuits.

Someone please show me where terrorism is defined by it's religious ideology.

LR the Muslin terrorists clearly kill people in the name of their God and religion Or are you actually going to deny that fact

[logroller]

LR the Muslin terrorists clearly kill people in the name of their God and religion Or are you actually going to deny that fact
Clearly. But all terrorists aren't muslim; nor are all muslims terrorists. Regardless of the justification, terrorists are minority persons who seek to invoke widespread fear through violence upon random persons. Do you deny that?

[red states rule]

Clearly. But all terrorists aren't muslim; nor are all muslims terrorists. Regardless of the justification, terrorists are minority persons who seek to invoke widespread fear through violence upon random persons. Do you deny that?

BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong

and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo

[Dilloduck]

BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong

and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo

LOL---McVeigh didn't commit and act of terrorism ? You've really lost your gourd. How about the guy in the movie theater ?
If you're going to try to make a point it's really stupid to try to stretch it beyond all reasonable limits. It becomes a joke.

[Missileman]

BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong

and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo

Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland?

[Dilloduck]

Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland?

When the terrorists are bombing each other ya really gotta start wondering. :laugh:

[red states rule]

LOL---McVeigh didn't commit and act of terrorism ? You've really lost your gourd. How about the guy in the movie theater ?
If you're going to try to make a point it's really stupid to try to stretch it beyond all reasonable limits. It becomes a joke.



You are indeed a useful idiot for the terrorists and the peace niks. I damn near pity your sorry ass

[red states rule]

Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland?

Please show me where they were killing people in the name of their religion and "god"

[Dilloduck]

Please show me where they were killing people in the name of their religion and "god"

Show me where terrorism requires any theology whatsoever.

[red states rule]

Show me where terrorism requires any theology whatsoever.

Eh, when the Muslim terrorists kill they yell "Allah". The Ft Hood killer and 9/11 hijackers both yelled Allah as they murdered people

Are you really determined to ignore so many facts about terrorists?

[Dilloduck]

Eh, when the Muslim terrorists kill they yell "Allah". The Ft Hood killer and 9/11 hijackers both yelled Allah as they murdered people

Are you really determined to ignore so many facts about terrorists?

and all bigots have assholes. Sorry but that square peg won't fit in your round hole no matter how many times you try.

[Missileman]

Please show me where they were killing people in the name of their religion and "god"

ter·ror·ism  <noscript><a onmousedown="spk(this,{lk:'nx1fkx',en:'wotdau',io:'0',b:'wotd', tp:'lrl',m:'wotdau'})" href="#"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/T01/T0167100"><img border="0" src="http://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif"></a></noscript> /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. the state of fear (http://www.debatepolicy.com/browse/fear) and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization (http://www.debatepolicy.com/browse/terrorize).

3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

[logroller]

BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong

and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo



“Terrorist activity” in turn is defined with four elements (italicized here):“premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncom-batant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually in-tended to influence an audience.”22 U.S.C. § 2656f (2007)






violence

civilian targets

subnational or clandestine perpetrator

political motivation

[red states rule]

and all bigots have assholes. Sorry but that square peg won't fit in your round hole no matter how many times you try.

Now that you have gone to personal insults it is clear you are beaten. I do ity you since you have a hard on for terrorists, openly support a rapist and a traitor to the US

Meanwhile..................


Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29


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2012.10.09 (Tarin Kot, Afghanistan) - A cleric is assassinated by Religion of Peace rivals.


2012.10.09 (Pattani, Thailand) - A father and son are among three Buddhists gunned down by Muslim militants.


2012.10.08 (Pattani, Thailand) - A Buddhist married couple in their sixties are slain in cold blood by Islamic terrorists.


2012.10.06 (Quetta, Pakistan) - Sipah-e-Sahaba terrorists shoot three Shias to death including two teens.


2012.10.06 (Jalingo, Nigeria) - Boko Haram bombers kill a woman and injure her five children.


2012.10.06 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Mujahideen bombers take down four vendors at a vegetable market.

</tbody>

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[aboutime]

and all bigots have assholes. Sorry but that square peg won't fit in your round hole no matter how many times you try.


Dilloduck. So, you are telling us you have a square Smile to resemble that other hole, from which your intelligence resides?

[red states rule]

ter·ror·ism

  <noscript><a onmousedown="spk(this,{lk:'nx1fkx',en:'wotdau',io:'0',b:'wotd', tp:'lrl',m:'wotdau'})" href="#"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/T01/T0167100"><img border="0" src="http://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif"></a></noscript> /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. the state of fear (http://www.debatepolicy.com/browse/fear) and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization (http://www.debatepolicy.com/browse/terrorize).

3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

You left out the part about killing in the name of religion and their god LR. Please finsh posting all the link. That is IF it has the religion and god part

[logroller]

You left out the part about killing in the name of religion and their god LR. Please finsh posting all the link. That is IF it has the religion and god part
So busy repeating your strawman you can't even pay attention to who posted what.
Bump.

“Terrorist activity” in turn is defined with four elements (italicized here):“premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncom-batant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually in-tended to influence an audience.”22 U.S.C. § 2656f (2007)






violence

civilian targets

subnational or clandestine perpetrator

political motivation

[red states rule]

So busy repeating your strawman you can't even pay attention to who posted what.
Bump.

LR if you insist on keeping your head stuck in the sand - go ahead. Libs like you are famous for ignoring the facts on terrorists. Thanks to your attitude we had 4 US citizens murdered on 9/11/12 all because you libs refuse to admit Muslims are the f'n terrorists and want to kill us

But thankfully, people like you will not be in charge in the State Dept, and the US military starting January 20, 2013 so we can start fighting a real war and stop with the coddling of terrorists that only allowed the terror cells to grow and spread

[Missileman]

You left out the part about killing in the name of religion and their god LR. Please finsh posting all the link. That is IF it has the religion and god part

If you can find it on this page, post it. Otherwise, I think a retraction of your accusation is warranted.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

[aboutime]

So busy repeating your strawman you can't even pay attention to who posted what.
Bump.



logroller. Speaking of strawman as you do. My grown son's had an expression they used, when they were very little, and had just discovered one of them could POOP in the bathtub, and roll the little LOGS around in the water...before Mommy caught them.


They called it 'Log rolling'. Which now. More than 35 years later, here on DP....has another FITTING kind of meaning.

I can only thank my wife who often reads over my shoulder...who laughed, and reminded me of those days. So long ago.

[red states rule]

If you can find it on this page, post it. Otherwise, I think a retraction of your accusation is warranted.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

I am goig by the accounts of what the Ft Hood killer and the 9/11 hijakers were yelling as they kiled our people

Something you and LR and Dillo want to ignore

So go ahead and joing your friends MM

http://www.ericgarland.co/wp-content/uploads/pix/2012/08/Hear-No-Evil-See-No-Evil-Speak-No-Evil.jpg

[aboutime]

I am goig by the accounts of what the Ft Hood killer and the 9/11 hijakers were yelling as they kiled our people

Something you and LR and Dillo want to ignore

So go ahead and joing your friends MM

http://www.ericgarland.co/wp-content/uploads/pix/2012/08/Hear-No-Evil-See-No-Evil-Speak-No-Evil.jpg

Those 3 remind me of the FORMER, daily press briefings when Obama and Biden took time to Join CARNEY.

[Missileman]

I am goig by the accounts of what the Ft Hood killer and the 9/11 hijakers were yelling as they kiled our people

Something you and LR and Dillo want to ignore

So go ahead and joing your friends MM

http://www.ericgarland.co/wp-content/uploads/pix/2012/08/Hear-No-Evil-See-No-Evil-Speak-No-Evil.jpg

What did the bombers of Northern Ireland yell? What did the bombers of abortion clinics or the shooters of abortion doctors yell?

[red states rule]

Those 3 remind me of the FORMER, daily press briefings when Obama and Biden took time to Join CARNEY.

If MM, LR, or Dillo are black I will be called a racist in their next post :laugh2:

[red states rule]

What did the bombers of Northern Ireland yell? What did the bombers of abortion clinics or the shooters of abortion doctors yell?

Again, please show me where they did it for their god or in the name of their religion

Your Muslim terorists do everytime they kill people

[Missileman]

logroller. Speaking of strawman as you do. My grown son's had an expression they used, when they were very little, and had just discovered one of them could POOP in the bathtub, and roll the little LOGS around in the water...before Mommy caught them.


They called it 'Log rolling'. Which now. More than 35 years later, here on DP....has another FITTING kind of meaning.

I can only thank my wife who often reads over my shoulder...who laughed, and reminded me of those days. So long ago.

I imagine playing with one's shit is hereditary and possibly a sign of in-breeding.

[red states rule]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bnzv-HG6m9s/TbJt6DfJZlI/AAAAAAAAFPg/qWWB9G-iOMA/s1600/Muslim_Hate%252C_political_cartoon.jpg

[Missileman]

Again, please show me where they did it for their god or in the name of their religion

Your Muslim terorists do everytime they kill people

We're still waiting for you to post a link that defines terrorism in such a way that it always invloves religion.

[red states rule]

We're still waiting for you to post a link that defines terrorism in such a way that it always invloves religion.

I have posted it several times. Seems you, LR, and Dilo are form the Michael moore School of Current Events


http://embeddedliberalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/michael-moore-liberalism.jpg

[Missileman]

I have posted it several times. Seems you, LR, and Dilo are form the Michael moore School of Current Events



You're full of shit! You've posted nothing of the sort.

[Drummond]

Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland?

I for one heard of 'the bombers' in Northern Ireland. The IRA (.. or whatever splinter group that came from them) did quite a bit of it .. and not only in Northern Ireland, but in England, too. I should know .. I lived and worked in London, one of their targets.

But, have you noticed something ? Whatever relatively few (.. in the scheme of things ..) such attacks are committed for political goals, terrorists only have such goals to work towards for a relatively short time. The IRA's 'cause' hadn't existed for anything like as long as Islam's has, and the IRA as such has been finished for a number of years. Fact is that, taking the whole picture, the dominant cause to spur on terrorism is religion, and specifically, Islam.

The IRA 'just' wanted a United Ireland (even if most other people didn't). They, in global terrorism terms, can be seen as an aberration. Look to global terrorism, and the 'crown' for the longest, most durable motivation for it, comes directly from Islam. Why, THOSE jokers want nothing less than global domination, and they'll kill anyone who tries to put a significant dent in that ambition.

But there are people who'll just refuse to face up to the harsh realities of it. Doing this only empowers the trash ! Weakness of opposition is eminently exploitable.

George W Bush, in 9/11's aftermath, wanted the civilised world to pull together, standing with America in its newly-launched War on Terror, obviously in the hope that world conditions would become so toxic that terrorist cells couldn't hope to thrive. I regard Bush's stand on that as perhaps his Presidency's finest moment.

And now, what do we have ?? The likelihood of terrorist resurgence once troops in Afghanistan are completely pulled out, in large part because Obama just couldn't wait to tell them when the troop withdrawal would be completed !!! And on top of this, 'peaceniks' ... who've not only forgotten 9/11's stark lesson, but are determined to remain deaf and blind to it, wanting to express 'love' to the aggressors !!!!:hug99:

Folks ... really. You couldn't make this stuff up !! :confused::bang3::shitfan:

[Robert A Whit]

“Terrorist activity” in turn is defined with four elements (italicized here):“premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncom-batant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually in-tended to influence an audience.”22 U.S.C. § 2656f (2007)






violence

civilian targets

subnational or clandestine perpetrator

political motivation



That does not describe Tim McVey. Tim was angry at the Feds for things they did do. In his case, he was not representing some group. Not as the definition means this. At least this is my opinion. I look at Tim McVey as one would look at some body that shot up a school campus. Common criminal.

Tim did not do it to get anybody out of the USA. The Muslim terrorists send messages with their killings. What message would you claim McVey sent? I never read any of his messages to claim he did it and wanted X or Y to happen.

[Drummond]

You tackle terrorism by defeating it ? :laugh2: This is a prime example of meaningless rhetoric.
Obama would say stuff like this.

Defeating an enemy is 'meaningless' ?

Would surrendering to them have more meaning for you, then ??

The carpet-bombing of Afghanistan decimated Al Qaeda. To so much as survive, they had to radically change their organisational tactics. OK, they may not have been totally defeated. Even so ... such an action must've been crippling to them. I've no doubt that thousands of innocent would-be victims are alive today who would've been slaughtered had the terrorists not been taught a much-needed lesson.

Was the enemy's intended range and scope of terrorism defeated ? I believe it was. And, Dilloduck, even if that doesn't qualify as total victory, to regard that comparative defeat for Al Qaeda as 'meaningless' is outrageous.

What's next ? The proposal that leaflets be dropped on to sites of terrorist strongholds declaring 'love' for them ?? Oh, I'm sure that THIS would destroy their commitment to maim and kill in the name of Allah !! :laugh:

[Kathianne]

I for one heard of 'the bombers' in Northern Ireland. The IRA (.. or whatever splinter group that came from them) did quite a bit of it .. and not only in Northern Ireland, but in England, too. I should know .. I lived and worked in London, one of their targets.

But, have you noticed something ? Whatever relatively few (.. in the scheme of things ..) such attacks are committed for political goals, terrorists only have such goals to work towards for a relatively short time. The IRA's 'cause' hadn't existed for anything like as long as Islam's has, and the IRA as such has been finished for a number of years. Fact is that, taking the whole picture, the dominant cause to spur on terrorism is religion, and specifically, Islam.

The IRA 'just' wanted a United Ireland (even if most other people didn't). They, in global terrorism terms, can be seen as an aberration. Look to global terrorism, and the 'crown' for the longest, most durable motivation for it, comes directly from Islam. Why, THOSE jokers want nothing less than global domination, and they'll kill anyone who tries to put a significant dent in that ambition.

But there are people who'll just refuse to face up to the harsh realities of it. Doing this only empowers the trash ! Weakness of opposition is eminently exploitable.

George W Bush, in 9/11's aftermath, wanted the civilised world to pull together, standing with America in its newly-launched War on Terror, obviously in the hope that world conditions would become so toxic that terrorist cells couldn't hope to thrive. I regard Bush's stand on that as perhaps his Presidency's finest moment.

And now, what do we have ?? The likelihood of terrorist resurgence once troops in Afghanistan are completely pulled out, in large part because Obama just couldn't wait to tell them when the troop withdrawal would be completed !!! And on top of this, 'peaceniks' ... who've not only forgotten 9/11's stark lesson, but are determined to remain deaf and blind to it, wanting to express 'love' to the aggressors !!!!:hug99:

Folks ... really. You couldn't make this stuff up !! :confused::bang3::shitfan:

I can view the IRA from an American point-of-view. For years they were able to gather significant amounts of American-Irish $$$, especially from Boston and Chicago, by saying they were trying to unite Ireland and get Britain out of there.

When it became evident that the IRA was behind the bombings in England, the assassination of Lord Mountbatten, the $$$ started to dry up, quickly. That brought home the problem.

When I start reading polls of Muslims condemning the violence and not 'understanding' it, I'll feel more hopeful.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I can view the IRA from an American point-of-view. For years they were able to gather significant amounts of American-Irish $$$, especially from Boston and Chicago, by saying they were trying to unite Ireland and get Britain out of there.

When it became evident that the IRA was behind the bombings in England, the assassination of Lord Mountbatten, the $$$ started to dry up, quickly. That brought home the problem.

When I start reading polls of Muslims condemning the violence and not 'understanding' it, I'll feel more hopeful.

I would be a bit hopeful as well if that condemning was a lot more than a few well engineered token articles by muslims. If it was in earnest and widespread here it would be a very good first step indeed. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade but I would not place any bets on that happening as it would go directly against their religion to condemn Jihad..Thats the problem... -Tyr

[Kathianne]

I would be a bit hopeful as well if that condemning was a lot more than a few well engineered token articles by muslims. If it was in earnest and widespread here it would be a very good first step indeed. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade but I would not place any bets on that happening as it would go directly against their religion to condemn Jihad..Thats the problem... -Tyr

I said, 'polls.' Meaning surveys of folks on the ground. I find all to date, disturbing. The vast majority would not condone terrorism, but understand how the 'terrorists' would, regarding jihad and the koran.

[aboutime]

I imagine playing with one's shit is hereditary and possibly a sign of in-breeding.



Spoken like someone who is expert on such topics, and proud of your hereditary needs to be a small child, to play with your own poop. Thanks for the info.
As for the in-breeding. That seems to be a comforting thought for you. Did you call them Floating Missiles instead of Logs???

[Missileman]

Spoken like someone who is expert on such topics, and proud of your hereditary needs to be a small child, to play with your own poop. Thanks for the info.
As for the in-breeding. That seems to be a comforting thought for you. Did you call them Floating Missiles instead of Logs???

Are you trying to claim that I'm the father of your children? Or perhaps hereditary is outside your vocabulary range?

[aboutime]

Are you trying to claim that I'm the father of your children? Or perhaps hereditary is outside your vocabulary range?



Unlike you. I know who the father of my children are. Why do you feel so desperate to constantly lower your self-esteem with liberal thinking?

[Dilloduck]

I would be a bit hopeful as well if that condemning was a lot more than a few well engineered token articles by muslims. If it was in earnest and widespread here it would be a very good first step indeed. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade but I would not place any bets on that happening as it would go directly against their religion to condemn Jihad..Thats the problem... -Tyr

Define Jihad

[Missileman]

Unlike you. I know who the father of my children are. Why do you feel so desperate to constantly lower your self-esteem with liberal thinking?

You post that YOUR kids played with their shit. I posted that it's hereditary and then you post it's a trait of mine. What else am I to assume other than you accusing me of being part of your kids genetic makeup? Your post was the antithesis of clever so we can conclude you weren't trying to be...maybe.

[Drummond]

I can view the IRA from an American point-of-view. For years they were able to gather significant amounts of American-Irish $$$, especially from Boston and Chicago, by saying they were trying to unite Ireland and get Britain out of there.

When it became evident that the IRA was behind the bombings in England, the assassination of Lord Mountbatten, the $$$ started to dry up, quickly. That brought home the problem.

When I start reading polls of Muslims condemning the violence and not 'understanding' it, I'll feel more hopeful.

Thanks for this, Kathianne.

That Americans (even IF of Irish descent) were content to give funds to the IRA was something I never did understand, and for a while made me resentful to the US. You see, to me, and to the vast majority of UK citizens, we were totally certain that the IRA were terrorists, not deserving to be tolerated to even a minutest degree. To see Americans so willing to fund them was - I state this with the greatest diplomacy I can muster - 'unbelievable'.

I'm actually surprised that it took the murder of Mountbatten and other outrages in England to help clarify matters. Did you not get news reports which explained the true, inhuman nature of the IRA ?

This following link might help to illustrate the sort of thing I mean ... composition dated 2007, but referring to practices from decades earlier ...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/public-humiliation-that-was-all-too-familiar-during-troubles-13470586.html


What happened on a Belfast estate at the weekend harks back to the darkest days of the Troubles.


The punishment - which is designed to publically humiliate and degrade the victim - dates back to the Crusades when it was used to enforce informal justice throughout Europe and its colonies.

Tarring and feathering became a popular form of punishment in Northern Ireland, carried out by the IRA, in the 1970s.

Many of the victims were women accused of conducting sexual relationships with members of the RUC or British soldiers.

These terrified women had their heads shaved before being dragged to a lamppost.

Once tied up, they had hot tar poured over their heads.

This was followed by feathers being dumped over them which would stick to the tar for days, acting as a reminder of their so-called crimes against their community.

Many of the victims of tarring and feathering - like the man targeted in Taughmonagh at the weekend - had signs placed around their necks to inform the community of their alleged crimes.

It became a popular form of punishment for perceived anti-social behaviour, with the aim of humiliating victims in front of their friends and neighbours.


Reminds me of the Taliban ... wouldn't you agree ?

Terrorists terrorise, and to try and instill the 'right attitude' in people, the IRA terrorised them, using cruel and inhuman punishment to get what they wanted. And this is over and above all the carnage they inflicted with their bombs and assassinations.

Did Americans never learn of accounts of the IRA's tactics ? Was it never reported over there ? Because I can assure you, it was HERE, and that reality helped define for us British what vermin they were.

Of course, disgusting carnage such as THIS only further rammed home for us what we were dealing with in them ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/newsid_2515000/2515343.stm


Eight soldiers on ceremonial duty have been killed in two IRA bomb blasts in central London.

The first blast, in Hyde Park, killed two soldiers and injured 23 others and the second explosion, in Regents Park, less than two hours later killed six soldiers instantly and injured a further 24 people.

The IRA admitted carrying out the attacks in a statement echoing Margaret Thatcher's declaration of war on Argentina over the disputed Falklands.

It repeated her phrase about the right of self-determination and continued: "The Irish people have sovereign and national rights which no task or occupational force can put down."

In the first incident a nail bomb in a blue Austin car was detonated as members of the Household Cavalry made their way to the changing of the guard from their barracks in Knightsbridge.

Seven horses were killed or so badly maimed they had to be destroyed.

Second attack

Another device exploded underneath the bandstand in Regents Park as the Royal Green Jackets played music from Oliver to 120 spectators.

It was the first of a season of lunchtime concerts for tourists and nearby office workers, four of whom were amongst the injured.

Anti-terrorist experts believe the second bomb had been planted some time ago and was triggered by a timer.

But they think the first explosion was operated by remote control to cause the maximum devastation.

Bystanders and people in neighbouring shops and hotels rushed to help, but the police were keen to clear the area as they searched for further devices.

Most of the injured were treated in Westminster Hospital as striking hospital workers called off their action to deal with the casualties.

Detectives from the anti-terrorism squad were interviewing survivors and witnesses and security has been stepped up across the British capital.

The British and Irish prime ministers have condemned the attacks as "callous and cowardly crimes" and "inhuman acts".


Anyway ... happily, the IRA is now no more. May whatever surviving IRA bombers still survive, one day rot in hell.

As for your final point on Muslims, well, we DO get accounts in the UK of Muslim groupings being 'anti' terrorists who commit such outrages on behalf of their religion. But, you see, it really doesn't mean much. If you get in the US to the point we have here, where so much deference is shown to Muslims that they get just what they want without needing to blow people up, it won't be 'proof' of the 'peaceful' nature of Islam ... after all, a central demand of theirs is the spread of Sharia Law !!

What matters is whether or not Islam triumphs over you, enslaves you to its dictates. If bombs can make the impact Muslims want, then they'll use them. If they can win through more 'sneaky' means, by eroding peoples' willingness to oppose them, then THOSE methods will be employed.

Muslims will do what it takes to win over you, Kathianne. The only question is whether you, and/or your compatriots, will one day give them their sought-after victory.

I say it's better to stay focussed on Islam's realities, and Tyr is doing a splendid job in alerting people to them. All power to him in his efforts.

[red states rule]

You're full of shit! You've posted nothing of the sort.

Check out this link

www.rif.org (http://www.rif.org)

and then go back and read my posts where I pointed out the Muslim terrorists were shouted "allah" as they muredered theri victims

[Missileman]

We're still waiting for you to post a link that defines terrorism in such a way that it always invloves religion.

To which you replied you already have.


Check out this link

www.rif.org (http://www.rif.org)

and then go back and read my posts where I pointed out the Muslim terrorists were shouted "allah" as they muredered theri victims

I'm not arguing terrorism never involves, but you're arguing that it always involves religion. I asked you to post a link that supports your assertion that terrorism always involves religion. I've already posted a link that doesn't even mention religion at all when defining terrorism. Where's yours?

[aboutime]

You post that YOUR kids played with their shit. I posted that it's hereditary and then you post it's a trait of mine. What else am I to assume other than you accusing me of being part of your kids genetic makeup? Your post was the antithesis of clever so we can conclude you weren't trying to be...maybe.

My mistake. I actually believed you were actually born. That part about playing with shit. Well. You answered that, all by yourself.

[red states rule]

To which you replied you already have.



I'm not arguing terrorism never involves, but you're arguing that it always involves religion. I asked you to post a link that supports your assertion that terrorism always involves religion. I've already posted a link that doesn't even mention religion at all when defining terrorism. Where's yours?

I never said all terrorism involves religon (the NRA and Tim McLame) - but with Muslim terrorists is does. That is why the Muslims murder people - in the name of their religion

[jafar00]

I never said all terrorism involves religon (the NRA and Tim McLame) - but with Muslim terrorists is does. That is why the Muslims murder people - in the name of their religion

Well, I've seen videos where US troops say "Jesus" as they kill people too. What's the difference?

[jimnyc]

Well, I've seen videos where US troops say "Jesus" as they kill people too. What's the difference?

Give me 3 examples, please?

[Missileman]

BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong

and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo


Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland?


Please show me where they were killing people in the name of their religion and "god"


Show me where terrorism requires any theology whatsoever.


Eh, when the Muslim terrorists kill they yell "Allah". The Ft Hood killer and 9/11 hijackers both yelled Allah as they murdered people

Are you really determined to ignore so many facts about terrorists?


I never said all terrorism involves religon (the NRA and Tim McLame) - but with Muslim terrorists is does. That is why the Muslims murder people - in the name of their religion

Just to refresh your memory.

[Missileman]

My mistake. I actually believed you were actually born. That part about playing with shit. Well. You answered that, all by yourself.

As I surmised, hereditary is beyond your grasp of English.

[Dilloduck]

Thanks for this, Kathianne.

That Americans (even IF of Irish descent) were content to give funds to the IRA was something I never did understand, and for a while made me resentful to the US. You see, to me, and to the vast majority of UK citizens, we were totally certain that the IRA were terrorists, not deserving to be tolerated to even a minutest degree. To see Americans so willing to fund them was - I state this with the greatest diplomacy I can muster - 'unbelievable'.

I'm actually surprised that it took the murder of Mountbatten and other outrages in England to help clarify matters. Did you not get news reports which explained the true, inhuman nature of the IRA ?

This following link might help to illustrate the sort of thing I mean ... composition dated 2007, but referring to practices from decades earlier ...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/public-humiliation-that-was-all-too-familiar-during-troubles-13470586.html



Reminds me of the Taliban ... wouldn't you agree ?

Terrorists terrorise, and to try and instill the 'right attitude' in people, the IRA terrorised them, using cruel and inhuman punishment to get what they wanted. And this is over and above all the carnage they inflicted with their bombs and assassinations.

Did Americans never learn of accounts of the IRA's tactics ? Was it never reported over there ? Because I can assure you, it was HERE, and that reality helped define for us British what vermin they were.

Of course, disgusting carnage such as THIS only further rammed home for us what we were dealing with in them ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/newsid_2515000/2515343.stm




Anyway ... happily, the IRA is now no more. May whatever surviving IRA bombers still survive, one day rot in hell.

As for your final point on Muslims, well, we DO get accounts in the UK of Muslim groupings being 'anti' terrorists who commit such outrages on behalf of their religion. But, you see, it really doesn't mean much. If you get in the US to the point we have here, where so much deference is shown to Muslims that they get just what they want without needing to blow people up, it won't be 'proof' of the 'peaceful' nature of Islam ... after all, a central demand of theirs is the spread of Sharia Law !!

What matters is whether or not Islam triumphs over you, enslaves you to its dictates. If bombs can make the impact Muslims want, then they'll use them. If they can win through more 'sneaky' means, by eroding peoples' willingness to oppose them, then THOSE methods will be employed.

Muslims will do what it takes to win over you, Kathianne. The only question is whether you, and/or your compatriots, will one day give them their sought-after victory.

I say it's better to stay focussed on Islam's realities, and Tyr is doing a splendid job in alerting people to them. All power to him in his efforts.

Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also. If you don't think there is an effort underway to spread western civilization all over the world you're crazy. Are you afraid they are winning ?

[Drummond]

Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also. If you don't think there is an effort underway to spread western civilization all over the world you're crazy. Are you afraid they are winning ?

Western civilisation is primarily based on Christianity. So, you're talking about a struggle between Christianity and Islam.

Dilloduck, Christian evangelism may exist. But it doesn't operate as Islamism does. For one thing, it doesn't embark on an aggressive programme of world conquest, regardless of what you may think.

Christians, in a belief that their religion is just and good, naturally want to see people saved. But, since when did Christians kidnap people and behead them ? Or stone people to death for violating some 'equivalent' of Sharia Law (... which doesn't even exist !! ...) ? Or engage in honour killings ? Or fly aeroplanes into skyscrapers ? Since when were Christians Jihadists ? Anyone for a Christian 'Fatwah' ?

Maybe Mecca has been flattened, and Christians are busily building a cathedral there ?

Is there a penalty involving 'apostacy against Christianity', perhaps ?

The ingredients for any form of aggressive conquest, Dilloduck, just AREN'T THERE. However, they exist in abundance in Islam.

Oh, and how about this ... Western civilisation is run on democratic lines, but Islamic versions, by and large, are not. In a Western / Christian society, you can vote for the character of Government you want. It can be Christian. It can be broadly secularist. It can even be .. were enough people willing to vote for candidates aligned to it .. Buddhist. Hindu. Even, were they to be stupid enough .. Islamic.

So you see, Dilloduck, your charge ultimately doesn't hold water. Islam has the aggression, and the inbuilt tools, to expand and conquer in a way that its polar opposite does NOT.

Personally, I think the world would be far better off if all countries were run as Western, Christian democracies. Others may believe that too. But that's not nearly the same thing as saying there's a drive, or plot, to make it happen !!

By the way .. consider Iraq. After the 2003 invasion, Western forces, such as your own, could've imposed the brand of Government they chose, one in our own image. Instead, Islamic factions determine what happens there. Is their Government not a majority Shi-ite one ?

Another, more recent example .. Libya. Western powers could've done more than just provide air support for anti-Gaddafi rebels .. they could've taken the country over, installed a puppet regime. INSTEAD, Dilloduck, what do we see in Libya today ??

As I say, your charge doesn't hold water, Dilloduck.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also. If you don't think there is an effort underway to spread western civilization all over the world you're crazy. Are you afraid they are winning ?

Really!?? Have we went over there to annex their territrory, or to take it outright? Because we could do that but we do not do so, that makes your offering silly. Our civilisation is not out to conquers theirs but theirs is surely out to destroy ours. You have it so very wrong but thats to be expected. Drummonds has the patience of a Saint to keep on instructing you and his generosity to do so free of charge is admirable I will add.-;)--Tyr

[Drummond]

Really!?? Have we went over there to annex their territrory, or to take it outright? Because we could do that but we do not do so, that makes your offering silly. Our civilisation is not out to conquers theirs but theirs is surely out to destroy ours. You have it so very wrong but thats to be expected. Drummonds has the patience of a Saint to keep on instructing you and his generosity to do so free of charge is admirable I will add.-;)--Tyr

:clap::clap:

Well, quite (.. on all counts !) !

Thanks, Tyr. And I may indeed start charging fees soon ... :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:clap::clap:

Well, quite (.. on all counts !) !

Thanks, Tyr. And I may indeed start charging fees soon ... :laugh:

I doubt that you'll get any pay my friend. Dillo seems highly resistant to your teachings and without a doubt not a big believer in the sanctity of TRUTH. To him its all very, very subjective and the number of nuances are in the hundreds of billions methinks.-;)--Tyr

which is to say that there is no real truth in his book.....

[red states rule]

Well, I've seen videos where US troops say "Jesus" as they kill people too. What's the difference?

Only when they blow half the head off the terrorist :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Just to refresh your memory.

If only your ability to grasp the fact Muslims murder in the name of their religion was as good as my memory

[Abbey Marie]

Western civilisation is primarily based on Christianity. So, you're talking about a struggle between Christianity and Islam.

Dilloduck, Christian evangelism may exist. But it doesn't operate as Islamism does. For one thing, it doesn't embark on an aggressive programme of world conquest, regardless of what you may think.

Christians, in a belief that their religion is just and good, naturally want to see people saved. But, since when did Christians kidnap people and behead them ? Or stone people to death for violating some 'equivalent' of Sharia Law (... which doesn't even exist !! ...) ? Or engage in honour killings ? Or fly aeroplanes into skyscrapers ? Since when were Christians Jihadists ? Anyone for a Christian 'Fatwah' ?

Maybe Mecca has been flattened, and Christians are busily building a cathedral there ?

Is there a penalty involving 'apostacy against Christianity', perhaps ?

The ingredients for any form of aggressive conquest, Dilloduck, just AREN'T THERE. However, they exist in abundance in Islam.

Oh, and how about this ... Western civilisation is run on democratic lines, but Islamic versions, by and large, are not. In a Western / Christian society, you can vote for the character of Government you want. It can be Christian. It can be broadly secularist. It can even be .. were enough people willing to vote for candidates aligned to it .. Buddhist. Hindu. Even, were they to be stupid enough .. Islamic.

So you see, Dilloduck, your charge ultimately doesn't hold water. Islam has the aggression, and the inbuilt tools, to expand and conquer in a way that its polar opposite does NOT.

Personally, I think the world would be far better off if all countries were run as Western, Christian democracies. Others may believe that too. But that's not nearly the same thing as saying there's a drive, or plot, to make it happen !!

By the way .. consider Iraq. After the 2003 invasion, Western forces, such as your own, could've imposed the brand of Government they chose, one in our own image. Instead, Islamic factions determine what happens there. Is their Government not a majority Shi-ite one ?

Another, more recent example .. Libya. Western powers could've done more than just provide air support for anti-Gaddafi rebels .. they could've taken the country over, installed a puppet regime. INSTEAD, Dilloduck, what do we see in Libya today ??

As I say, your charge doesn't hold water, Dilloduck.


:clap:

[Missileman]

If only your ability to grasp the fact Muslims murder in the name of their religion was as good as my memory

And if the ability to point to where I ever said otherwise were worth a trillion dollars, you'd still be a poor excuse for a debater.

[red states rule]

And if the ability to point to where I ever said otherwise were worth a trillion dollars, you'd still be a poor excuse for a debater.

That is the usual response when someone is beaten and cannot deal with the simple turth. Muslims terrorists kill in the name of their religion

It can be murdereing their duaghters and wifes in "honor killings"; an Army officer who guns down 14 people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah; and the 9/11 hijakers who believed they would have all those virgins if they slaughterd thousands of people

People like you take the PC road and do not want to "offend" the feelings of Muslims so you deny the truth and keep thinking they will eventually like us if we cower to them

[Missileman]

That is the usual response when someone is beaten and cannot deal with the simple turth. Muslims terrorists kill in the name of their religion

It can be murdereing their duaghters and wifes in "honor killings"; an Army officer who guns down 14 people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah; and the 9/11 hijakers who believed they would have all those virgins if they slaughterd thousands of people

People like you take the PC road and do not want to "offend" the feelings of Muslims so you deny the truth and keep thinking they will eventually like us if we cower to them\

The offer for you to point out where I've said otherwise is still open.

[tailfins]

That is the usual response when someone is beaten and cannot deal with the simple turth. Muslims terrorists kill in the name of their religion

It can be murdereing their duaghters and wifes in "honor killings"; an Army officer who guns down 14 people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah; and the 9/11 hijakers who believed they would have all those virgins if they slaughterd thousands of people

People like you take the PC road and do not want to "offend" the feelings of Muslims so you deny the truth and keep thinking they will eventually like us if we cower to them

What we justify as acceptable to do the Muslims just for being Muslim, we will eventually do to others. Muslims -> Illegals -> Immigrants -> Outsiders . No one has said what one should do with this anti-Muslim information. It's like accelerating a vehicle without regard to the steering. You'll eventually have a crash. In WWII prejudice was managed to get people to accept the sacrifice associated with the war. Are you fanning prejudice so people will accept present and future TSA powers? I don't see any disagreement with some of the arson committed against Muslims. What about housing and employment discrimination against Muslims? Is that OK?

[Dilloduck]

Western civilisation is primarily based on Christianity. So, you're talking about a struggle between Christianity and Islam.

Dilloduck, Christian evangelism may exist. But it doesn't operate as Islamism does. For one thing, it doesn't embark on an aggressive programme of world conquest, regardless of what you may think.

Christians, in a belief that their religion is just and good, naturally want to see people saved. But, since when did Christians kidnap people and behead them ? Or stone people to death for violating some 'equivalent' of Sharia Law (... which doesn't even exist !! ...) ? Or engage in honour killings ? Or fly aeroplanes into skyscrapers ? Since when were Christians Jihadists ? Anyone for a Christian 'Fatwah' ?

Maybe Mecca has been flattened, and Christians are busily building a cathedral there ?

Is there a penalty involving 'apostacy against Christianity', perhaps ?

The ingredients for any form of aggressive conquest, Dilloduck, just AREN'T THERE. However, they exist in abundance in Islam.

Oh, and how about this ... Western civilisation is run on democratic lines, but Islamic versions, by and large, are not. In a Western / Christian society, you can vote for the character of Government you want. It can be Christian. It can be broadly secularist. It can even be .. were enough people willing to vote for candidates aligned to it .. Buddhist. Hindu. Even, were they to be stupid enough .. Islamic.

So you see, Dilloduck, your charge ultimately doesn't hold water. Islam has the aggression, and the inbuilt tools, to expand and conquer in a way that its polar opposite does NOT.

Personally, I think the world would be far better off if all countries were run as Western, Christian democracies. Others may believe that too. But that's not nearly the same thing as saying there's a drive, or plot, to make it happen !!

By the way .. consider Iraq. After the 2003 invasion, Western forces, such as your own, could've imposed the brand of Government they chose, one in our own image. Instead, Islamic factions determine what happens there. Is their Government not a majority Shi-ite one ?

Another, more recent example .. Libya. Western powers could've done more than just provide air support for anti-Gaddafi rebels .. they could've taken the country over, installed a puppet regime. INSTEAD, Dilloduck, what do we see in Libya today ??

As I say, your charge doesn't hold water, Dilloduck.

That's because you made an absurd assumption. Christianity has been slowly fading as a power in western civilization. Secularists have been attacking it for years in the US and the number of Europeans who attend a Christian church has also decreased.
Western civilization is secular and capitalist.

[Dilloduck]

Another, more recent example .. Libya. Western powers could've done more than just provide air support for anti-Gaddafi rebels .. they could've taken the country over, installed a puppet regime. INSTEAD, Dilloduck, what do we see in Libya today ??

The US couldn't win the hearts and minds of Iraqis with tens of thousands of boots on the ground. Your claim re Libya is laughable.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What we justify as acceptable to do the Muslims just for being Muslim, we will eventually do to others. Muslims -> Illegals -> Immigrants -> Outsiders . No one has said what one should do with this anti-Muslim information. It's like accelerating a vehicle without regard to the steering. You'll eventually have a crash. In WWII prejudice was managed to get people to accept the sacrifice associated with the war. Are you fanning prejudice so people will accept present and future TSA powers? I don't see any disagreement with some of the arson committed against Muslims. What about housing and employment discrimination against Muslims? Is that OK?

Your attempt at playing the "victim card " for muslims is silly as hell when they are the ones doing the murdering.
Here is a hint just for you, the victims are the dead people, murdered by Islamic FANATICS.
In fact, over 270 million of them during Islam's 1400= year history. That you want to bring up "housing and employment discrimination", when the world is witnessing and suffering from thier many thousands of murders of innocent people yearly is laughable.
You apparently mistake decency and moral outrage at the murder campaign they wage as prejudice ! A mistake that no intelligent person would make without having a huge bias figured into the mix IMHO.
Why all the defense of the religion that is the largest sponsor of terrorism the world has ever witnessed!???-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That is the usual response when someone is beaten and cannot deal with the simple turth. Muslims terrorists kill in the name of their religion

It can be murdereing their duaghters and wifes in "honor killings"; an Army officer who guns down 14 people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah; and the 9/11 hijakers who believed they would have all those virgins if they slaughterd thousands of people

People like you take the PC road and do not want to "offend" the feelings of Muslims so you deny the truth and keep thinking they will eventually like us if we cower to them


Amen!!!

[red states rule]

\

The offer for you to point out where I've said otherwise is still open.

:lame2:


You are losing your touch MM

[red states rule]

Amen!!!



After 40 plus years of dealing with bleeding heart libs and following their thought ptocess I do need to hire a private detective to figure out their motives

[Missileman]

:lame2:


You are losing your touch MM

What's the matter asshole? Can't find a cartoon that makes you look witty and like you're getting your dick knocked in the dirt at the same time?

What's lame is making an accusation and not backing it up.

[Drummond]

I doubt that you'll get any pay my friend. Dillo seems highly resistant to your teachings and without a doubt not a big believer in the sanctity of TRUTH. To him its all very, very subjective and the number of nuances are in the hundreds of billions methinks.-;)--Tyr

which is to say that there is no real truth in his book.....

Oh, how true, Tyr.

Besides ... if Dillo ever did pay me .. I wonder what I'd spend it on ? Something he might not approve of, maybe ?

[red states rule]

What's the matter asshole? Can't find a cartoon that makes you look witty and like you're getting your dick knocked in the dirt at the same time?

What's lame is making an accusation and not backing it up.

Getting testy eh? I made the links to how the Muslim terrorists murder for their religion. You, and others, want to ignore that facts and go the PC route when talking about terrorists

Fine, that is your right

If you want to lash out toward those who point that out - fine

I only hope you are not one of the innocent pople murdered in the name of Allah MM. I only hope the Muslim bastards die trying to kill innocent people

[Drummond]

What's the matter asshole? Can't find a cartoon that makes you look witty and like you're getting your dick knocked in the dirt at the same time?

What's lame is making an accusation and not backing it up.

Posts such as this really 'raise' the tone of meaningful discussion ... :whistling2:

[red states rule]

Posts such as this really 'raise' the tone of meaningful discussion ... :whistling2:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Drummond again.

[Missileman]

Getting testy eh? I made the links to how the Muslim terrorists murder for their religion. You, and others, want to ignore that facts and go the PC route when talking about terrorists



Yet you repeatedly refuse to point to where I did any such thing. Why is that?

[Drummond]

That's because you made an absurd assumption. Christianity has been slowly fading as a power in western civilization. Secularists have been attacking it for years in the US and the number of Europeans who attend a Christian church has also decreased.
Western civilization is secular and capitalist.

So I'm clear on this point .. are you saying that Christianity is dying a death in America (or under severe threat) ?

If so .. doesn't that mean that its foundling principles are also under attack ? And .. if 'yes' to that .. aren't you spurred on to want to defend them ?

If 'no' .. WHY NOT ?

[red states rule]

Yet you repeatedly refuse to point to where I did any such thing. Why is that?

Your post




Actually, I'm an equal opportunity non-believer...I think you're all full of shit. I would NEVER suggest that someone's actions can be justified because of their beliefs. I was asking YOU the question to see if you might grasp the hypocrisy of your position.




Not the first post where you tried to dismiss Muslims from comitting acts of violence due to their religious beliefs

Please stop digging MM - the hole is deep enough for you already