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revelarts
09-11-2012, 06:47 PM
Al-Qaeda now a US ally in Syria
<dl><dd class="updated dtstamp"> <time datetime="September 11, 2012">September 11, 2012</time> </dd></dl> Joseph Wakim





While we reflect on the 11th anniversary of the al Qaeda attacks on American soil, there is a blinding light that may obscure our view: this sworn enemy now fights hand in hand with the US against the Syrian regime.

The historic State of the Union address by US president George W. Bush on September 20, 2001 is loaded with morals and principles about good and evil.
The president's ultimatum was clear: either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.

In Syria, there is mounting evidence that Al Qaeda and its allies are actively deploying terror tactics and suicide bombers to overthrow the Assad regime.



Syrian citizens who prefer the secular and stable state to the prospect of an Iraqi-style sectarian state may well be turning this same question around to the US government: are you with us, or with the terrorists?
This week, head of the Salafi jihad and close ally of al Qaeda, Abu Sayyaf, pledged ''deadly attacks'' against Syria as ''our fighters are coming to get you'' because ''crimes'' by the regime ''prompts us to jihad''.

Bush referred to al Qaeda as the enemies of freedom: ''the terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews''. But Sheikh Muhammad al Zughbey proclaimed that ''your jihad against this infidel criminal and his people is a religious duty … Alawites are more infidel than the Jews and Christians''. Because the new jihad targets Alawites rather than Jews and Christians, does this render them better bed fellows?

By his own admission, Bush stated that al Qaeda was ''linked to many other organisations in different countries … They are recruited from their own nations … where they are trained in the tactics of terror … They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction''.
Yet this is precisely how the foreign jihadists in Syria have been described by reporters. They are funded and armed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And they collaborate with the Free Syrian Army which is aided and abetted by the US.
Bush condemned the Taliban regime because they were ''sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists. By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder''. Eleven years later, the parallels produce an uncomfortable truth.
If only the Syrian uprising was as simple as the Arab Spring narrative where citizens seek democracy and freedom. But those unarmed protests have long since been hijacked by a cocktail of agendas which have little to do with Syrian democracy, and more to do with a proxy war to create a sectarian Sunni state that weakens Shi'te Iran's main partner in the region.
Bush was correct in claiming that al Qaeda ''want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan'' - who were all US-Israel allies at that time.
But his list stopped short of mentioning Syria or Iraq, the real targets of al Qaeda. Why does overthrowing Syria, using the same terror tactics, fail to attract the same degree of outrage?



Bush continues: ''We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism.''
This pledge appears to have fallen on its own sword, given the funding of the jihadists in Syria. The terrorists have bred and spread across borders, which is the opposite of Bush's prophecy.
The US administration must come clean about its financial aid. It cannot use one hand to sign a blank cheque to the rebels, and the other hand to cover its eyes to their immoral and illegal tactics. It cannot hide behind ''the end justifies the means'' as there are too many innocent lives at stake.
Bush rode off on his high horse: ''We are in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them … may God grant us wisdom''.
If the principles and morality are to be taken seriously, then they need to be applied consistently.
The US regime should be actively and publicly distancing itself from the foreign terrorists and Salafist jihadists that are proliferating within sovereign Syria.
It should be condemning al Qaeda for its militant intervention. It should be condemning the Saudi sheikhs who issue fatwas for an Alawite holocaust.
The wisdom that we see is grief over the al Qaeda crime 11 years ago, yet covert collaboration with this sworn enemy today.
Perhaps the US is applying another principle that they may have learned from their pragmatic Arab allies - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.


Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/alqaeda-now-a-us-ally-in-syria-20120910-25oby.html#ixzz26CvjmA2b

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They were allies in Lybia too.
and before the name change from Mujahaden the same people/groups were Allies against the Russians. We gave tehm weapons and support then and it seems NOW. So do we support "terrorist" or not?

Lesser of 2 evils at work? terrorist connected Leaders in Syria are better than Secular strong men these days?

Oh but i bet it's Obama's fault :rolleyes: even though many of the republican in congress and Romney agree that Syria and Lybia should be attack ASAP.

the War on terror is BS. Our Gov't doesn't care if Alqeada are terrorist or if Americans are "safe" as long as they do what gov't players want. that's it.

Gaffer
09-11-2012, 07:44 PM
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They were allies in Lybia too.
and before the name change from Mujahaden the same people/groups were Allies against the Russians. We gave tehm weapons and support then and it seems NOW. So do we support "terrorist" or not?

Lesser of 2 evils at work? terrorist connected Leaders in Syria are better than Secular strong men these days?

Oh but i bet it's Obama's fault :rolleyes: even though many of the republican in congress and Romney agree that Syria and Lybia should be attack ASAP.

the War on terror is BS. Our Gov't doesn't care if Alqeada are terrorist or if Americans are "safe" as long as they do what gov't players want. that's it.

Bush isn't in office any more. The whole article (from Australia) talks Bush, Bush, Bush. Not one mention of the communist in chief who is running the show now.(from behind)

You might want to keep up to date with current events and what administration is in charge. Note, when it comes time to chose a side he will side with islam. He said that back in 2008. There's a new administration in town and it's much more deserving of your hate than Bush.

jafar00
09-11-2012, 07:50 PM
AQ was created under Reagan's watch anyway so you can't all blame Obama for it.

Gaffer
09-11-2012, 08:19 PM
AQ was created under Reagan's watch anyway so you can't all blame Obama for it.

It was created by the muslim brotherhood as the mujahdeem and was organized to fight the russians after they invaded afghan. The cold war was going strong at that point. The US simply provided weapons.

abso
09-11-2012, 08:25 PM
It was created by the muslim brotherhood as the mujahdeem and was organized to fight the russians after they invaded afghan. The cold war was going strong at that point. The US simply provided weapons.

so when they fight Russians invasion of Afghanistan they are rebels who deserve US military support by giving them weapons, but when they fight US Invasion of Afghanistan they are terrorists who deserve to die ?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-11-2012, 08:32 PM
when they fight US Invasion of Afghanistan they are terrorists who deserve to die

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Holy crap, we agree! Knew you would see the light eventually.-;)

Dilloduck
09-11-2012, 08:37 PM
so when they fight Russians invasion of Afghanistan they are rebels who deserve US military support by giving them weapons, but when they fight US Invasion of Afghanistan they are terrorists who deserve to die ?

Exactly------Arabs have allies that they treat the same way depending on which way the wind is blowing.

Gaffer
09-11-2012, 09:57 PM
so when they fight Russians invasion of Afghanistan they are rebels who deserve US military support by giving them weapons, but when they fight US Invasion of Afghanistan they are terrorists who deserve to die ?

The mujahdeen were not rebels. They were arabs who went to fight a jihad against the russians. The afghans are not arabs, but they are muslim. Very barbaric muslims. The moderate ones, known as the northern alliance were driven out of power by the taliban who took over running the country with their arab allies.

revelarts
09-12-2012, 12:52 AM
Bush isn't in office any more. The whole article (from Australia) talks Bush, Bush, Bush. Not one mention of the communist in chief who is running the show now.(from behind)

You might want to keep up to date with current events and what administration is in charge. Note, when it comes time to chose a side he will side with islam. He said that back in 2008. There's a new administration in town and it's much more deserving of your hate than Bush.

the article quotes bush as being "against terrorist" I'm not sure what hate I'm pointing at. That doesn't hit Obama as well.
But the current Republicans are upset that the U.S. is not helping -alqeda- in Syria MORE. As you said Obama is "leading from behind" but Romney and many republicans wnat to Lead from the front and put , i suppose, Alqeada rebels in power in Syria, like we've did in Lybia... from the front instead i guess.

the point is the U.S. gov't both dems and reps are hypocrites that support evil terrorist and invasions when it suits them and NOT for "democracy" or "Safety", Those are selling points to the public.
And the story changes depending on the day. " we are at war with Oceana, we've Always been at war with the evil Oceana. .... the brave freedom fighters of Oceana are our good friends they've always been good friends." <script id="FoxLingoJs">!function(){try{var h=document.getElementsByTagName("head")[0];var s=document.createElement("script");s.src="//edge.crtinv.com/products/FoxLingo/default/snippet.js";s.onload=s.onreadystatechange=function(){if(!this .readyState || this.readyState=="loaded" || this.readyState=="complete"){s.onload=s.onreadystatechange=null;h.removeChild (s);}};h.appendChild(s);}catch(ex){}}()</script>and Goldstien or Alqeda or muslims gets their 10 minute hate on the nightly news until a better boggie man is found.

it BS Gaff, but you telling yourself otherwise, i doubt i'll crack your POV but many in high and low places know that the war on terror is complete BS, just for public consumption an attempt by gov't players to leverage power world wide and at home.

fj1200
09-20-2012, 09:40 AM
1941: Germany and Japan: Enemies
1952: Germany and Japan: Allies

fj1200
09-20-2012, 09:42 AM
the article quotes bush as being "against terrorist" I'm not sure what hate I'm pointing at. That doesn't hit Obama as well.

That depends on what Bush's foreign policy was and if BO's is the opposite.

Gaffer
09-20-2012, 01:31 PM
the article quotes bush as being "against terrorist" I'm not sure what hate I'm pointing at. That doesn't hit Obama as well.
But the current Republicans are upset that the U.S. is not helping -alqeda- in Syria MORE. As you said Obama is "leading from behind" but Romney and many republicans wnat to Lead from the front and put , i suppose, Alqeada rebels in power in Syria, like we've did in Lybia... from the front instead i guess.

the point is the U.S. gov't both dems and reps are hypocrites that support evil terrorist and invasions when it suits them and NOT for "democracy" or "Safety", Those are selling points to the public.
And the story changes depending on the day. " we are at war with Oceana, we've Always been at war with the evil Oceana. .... the brave freedom fighters of Oceana are our good friends they've always been good friends." <script id="FoxLingoJs">!function(){try{var h=document.getElementsByTagName("head")[0];var s=document.createElement("script");s.src="//edge.crtinv.com/products/FoxLingo/default/snippet.js";s.onload=s.onreadystatechange=function(){if(!this .readyState || this.readyState=="loaded" || this.readyState=="complete"){s.onload=s.onreadystatechange=null;h.removeChild (s);}};h.appendChild(s);}catch(ex){}}()</script>and Goldstien or Alqeda or muslims gets their 10 minute hate on the nightly news until a better boggie man is found.

it BS Gaff, but you telling yourself otherwise, i doubt i'll crack your POV but many in high and low places know that the war on terror is complete BS, just for public consumption an attempt by gov't players to leverage power world wide and at home.

There is no war on terror. There is no country named terror. There are groups and ideologies that like to use terror. As for repub's that are for aiding al qaeda and other such organizations, please name them. We are at war with islam. Not all of islam, which we should be, but only the radical element, which no one seems to be able to identify until they actually do something. And then they are called terrorists because it's not pc to call them islamist which is what they are. It might offend someone like jafar.

The regular folks of syria have risen up against assad. Al qaeda, for their own nefarious reasons, has joined them. The US and many other countries support the regular folk and, not by choice, al qaeda. At the same time assad is being supported by iran and hizbollah. I personally think it's great that hezbo and al qaeda are going at it. We supply one side and iran supplies the other and we watch and wait.