Do you agree with taxpayer funding for the 9-11 monument?

[gabosaurus]

I like the idea of a memorial, but the cost is really spiraling out of control.

http://news.yahoo.com/wtc-memorial-magnificent-steep-price-132938429.html

[Nukeman]

I like the idea of a memorial, but the cost is really spiraling out of control.

http://news.yahoo.com/wtc-memorial-magnificent-steep-price-132938429.html
We should charge Saudi Arabia for it, after all the terrorist came from there didn't they??

[gabosaurus]

Doubtful. We didn't hold them responsible for the attack. We blamed it on someone else.

[jafar00]

Despite there being no evidence Osama did it, how about approaching the Bin Laden Group (http://www.sbg.com.sa/) for a donation? ;)

[Kathianne]

I can see a federal contribution to the construction. As for maintenance, no.

[Gaffer]

Despite there being no evidence Osama did it, how about approaching the Bin Laden Group (http://www.sbg.com.sa/) for a donation? ;)

So you think he lied?

[jimnyc]

Despite there being no evidence Osama did it, how about approaching the Bin Laden Group (http://www.sbg.com.sa/) for a donation? ;)


So you think he lied?

I was going to say similar, Gaff, I suppose his own words aren't good enough. I suppose admitting to a crime doesn't count as evidence for Jafar.

And of course let's not forget the trail of evidence from the hijackers that all lead back to the man in charge. If he were to go in trial, he would be easily found guilty, easily. Trials are easy when you have a defendant who confesses to their crimes.

Here are a few tidbits, and of course he further discussed 9/11 and his part in it within later tapes as well. I'd offer more, but either you know and see the truth, which is all over, or you're going to deny it no matter how much evidence produced. Other Muslims I have debated this with have went on to say that the CIA made many tapes and tries to pin them on OBL. LOL And then there are videotapes as well where he discusses it, but I am told that these are all doctored as well. So if I see "Never happened" again I wouldn't be at all surprised.

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Despite entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened."

"We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."

"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html

[jimnyc]

I like the idea of a memorial, but the cost is really spiraling out of control.

http://news.yahoo.com/wtc-memorial-magnificent-steep-price-132938429.html

I think it was an attack on All of America, so I don't see an issue with it being funded partly by taxes. Andy monies taken in should go towards upkeep and payments, I don't think anyone should profit. We pay for other memorials honoring people too, just not this expensive. I'd like for them to continue to try and figure out a way to lower costs going forward. As of now, $60 million per year is peanuts compared to some of the other garbage that our politicians spend money on. Kill a few other stupid projects and put the money into projects like this instead.

[jafar00]

So you think he lied?

who?

[jimnyc]

who?

I think he means Bin Laden, discussing his involvement, and celebrating, the 9/11 attacks - after you said there was no evidence that he was involved.

[logroller]

We should charge Saudi Arabia for it, after all the terrorist came from there didn't they??

Maybe outsource it to china.

[jafar00]

I think he means Bin Laden, discussing his involvement, and celebrating, the 9/11 attacks - after you said there was no evidence that he was involved.

Was that referring to the debunked video with a suddenly fat, big nosed Osama wearing gold (forbidden for Muslim men) rings?

[jimnyc]

Was that referring to the debunked video with a suddenly fat, big nosed Osama wearing gold (forbidden for Muslim men) rings?

Osama released MANY audiotapes and videotapes from 9/11 until his cool death. MANY of them referenced their involvement in 9/11, as well as other attacks as time went on. Perhaps a zionist regime somewhere posing as OBL just to make Muslims look bad?

[jimnyc]

Was that referring to the debunked video with a suddenly fat, big nosed Osama wearing gold (forbidden for Muslim men) rings?

This is obviously not the video you speak of as none of those elements are in this video I'm posting. The is also dated 2011.

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[Drummond]

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Was that referring to the debunked video with a suddenly fat, big nosed Osama wearing gold (forbidden for Muslim men) rings?

Absolutely incredible .. whatever next !!!

Curious, isn't it, Jafar .. that, on another thread, you were content to be dismissive of Muslim terrorists as a mere criminal fringe, albeit to try and sanitise the image of Islam by separating the religion out from all the terrorism done in its name. Now ... here, you're engaged in another sanitation attempt, only, this one is trying to distance those you'd regard as 'criminals' from culpability for their own single worst acts of 'criminality' !!!

Tell you what. Why not take this a ludicrous step further, and claim that terrorist bodies commit terrorist acts while their own minds are divorced from their own actions ?? I mean ... if no Muslim is actually responsible for any acts ever created in the name of Islam, why not claim that terrorist bodies are being remote-controlled by aliens from outer space ???:cuckoo:

You really need to get some consistency going between your escapist propaganda initiatives, Jafar. Or ... better yet, why not, er'm, try for the truth ??

[Kathianne]

Osama released MANY audiotapes and videotapes from 9/11 until his cool death. MANY of them referenced their involvement in 9/11, as well as other attacks as time went on. Perhaps a zionist regime somewhere posing as OBL just to make Muslims look bad?

Indeed. The most worthy for acceptance was early on, when he said that they thought it would be spectacular, but never envisioned both tower collapsing. He had engineering background, but was too dim to get the fuel, fire, and points of impact.

[gabosaurus]

Um...would you people mind if we got back to the original topic? There are a great many other 9-11 attack topics on this board.

I personally believe that any monument at the WTC site should be done without taxpayer funding and be self sufficient. If you have ever been to the Oklahoma City or Pear Harbor memorials (I have been to both), you would see that they are very simple and non-assuming. There is no reason to have a huge, gaudy display. The WTC Memorial should not be Disneyland East.

[jafar00]

This is obviously not the video you speak of as none of those elements are in this video I'm posting. The is also dated 2011.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html

[cadet]

Um...would you people mind if we got back to the original topic? There are a great many other 9-11 attack topics on this board.

I personally believe that any monument at the WTC site should be done without taxpayer funding and be self sufficient. If you have ever been to the Oklahoma City or Pear Harbor memorials (I have been to both), you would see that they are very simple and non-assuming. There is no reason to have a huge, gaudy display. The WTC Memorial should not be Disneyland East.

If anything, a large empty square would work, to remind us that we lost something there...

[jimnyc]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html

Different videos, nice try though! And I see you avoid the fact that many, many video were released and even more audio tapes from him, the majority of them discussing the involvement in 9/11. So was it the CIA, our government, or Zionists out of Israel?

I think I'll listen to what the CIA and other intel agencies have verified, with voice analysis and such, as opposed to what sounds like a kid on a "what really happened" website. Thanks though!

[Mr. P]

Um...would you people mind if we got back to the original topic? There are a great many other 9-11 attack topics on this board.

I personally believe that any monument at the WTC site should be done without taxpayer funding and be self sufficient. If you have ever been to the Oklahoma City or Pear Harbor memorials (I have been to both), you would see that they are very simple and non-assuming. There is no reason to have a huge, gaudy display. The WTC Memorial should not be Disneyland East.

I agree, since that is in Orlando already.

[SassyLady]

Um...would you people mind if we got back to the original topic? There are a great many other 9-11 attack topics on this board.

I personally believe that any monument at the WTC site should be done without taxpayer funding and be self sufficient. If you have ever been to the Oklahoma City or Pear Harbor memorials (I have been to both), you would see that they are very simple and non-assuming. There is no reason to have a huge, gaudy display. The WTC Memorial should not be Disneyland East.

Gabby, I'm going off topic for just a moment.....do you think Planned Parenthood should be taxpayer funded? Why shouldn't it be privately funded by those that are for abortion and birth control? Why would you think taxpayers want to pay for murdering babies and not for remembering innocents who died on 9/11?

[DragonStryk72]

Oh dear lord. Do you have any idea how many jobs for families in NYC are being sacrificed for that money sink?! I'm all for remembrance, but when you start sacrificing more jobs, and even more money, you're missing what a memorial is supposed to be. The Lincoln Memorial, while certainly impressive in its own way, was not built on land that had previously been a vital business district, nor was the structure costly to maintain. When did we lose the ability to remember things quietly? Anyone got a figure on that one, cause we weren't this destroyed as a country over Pearl Harbor.

A far more fitting memorial would be to rebuild the towers, and to have the memorial done as wall art on the first couple floors, so that people can see it, but at the same time, we can remember the center of life in NYC that used to stand there, while still living.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure we could use the extra jobs the rebuilt trade centers would bring. Just sayin