An Ethical Basis for War Against Political Islam

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/an-ethical-basis-for-war-against-political-islam-part-6/

An Ethical Basis for War Against Political Islam, part 6.Posted in An Ethical Basis for War

Denmark is all in a twiddle about letting female judges wear a headscarf.
The more important question is how can Muslims become judges in a kafir legal system when their first allegiance is supposed to be to the sharia?

A Saudi reformer wants to have the sword removed from the Saudi flag. Is he denying the Sword verses in the Koran?

Like music and singing, maybe a dance or two? They are haram (forbidden) in Islam according to Sharia even though many Mohammedans continue to break this law.


This newsletter is one of a series on the subject:

An Ethical Basis for War Against Political Islam Newsletter #6

Who are the Kafirs?
The kafirs are condemned to Islamic Hell because we don't accept Mohammed as any kind of prophet or leader. We are the dhimmis, the slaves, and the slain of every continent. Unfortunately, the kafirs are the ignorant, the unknowing and the frightened. We don't know anything about the 270 million dead killed in the name of Allah. But consider the rest of our vast ignorance:

Almost none of our diplomats and "experts" have never read any of the Trilogy, nor were they taught the doctrine of political Islam in college.
Jews and Christians do not know about the Arabian Annihilation (the elimination of all Jews and Christians from Arabia).
People don't know that white women were the slaves of choice among Muslims for 1400 years.
Our media and intellectuals do not acknowledge rape of the kafirs as a weapon of war.
Christians don't realize that they lost half their territory and 60 million people to Islam in Turkey, Syria, and North Africa.
Political Islam destroyed half of Hindu culture.
Political Islam annihilated most of Buddhist culture.
Islam destroyed all of the native religious culture of Africa in Islamic areas.
The theory and history of jihad are not taught in any military academy, foreign service school, or law enforcement school. The majority of our military, state department, and law enforcement personnel are ignorant and in denial.

These facts about political Islam are like a dead elephant at a tea party. It's not the elephant that is weird; what is weird is that no one refers to it. No one talks about it.

And the important thing about the kafirs, intellectual response to Islam is the same: we have done nothing; we know nothing. It is this nothing that must be explained.

The Acceptance of Ignorance
We know more about Mars than we do political Islam. Mohammedans have been killing, enslaving and raping for 1400 years and we ignore it. Why don't we even know we are ignorant? Denial. Profound denial.

We accept violence and fear from Islam. Any author who writes a book critical about Islam can share Salman Rushdie's fate-a death sentence by Islamic clerics. Here is the sick part: we don't protest. We show no outrage. How can we have come to this? Have we no sense of decency left? No honor? No shame? No common sense? Kafirs, accept violence and fear from Islam without protest. This acceptance of violence is the sign of a profoundly molested psyche. Kafirs are the battered wife and molested child of Islam.

Violent molestation can cause complete denial.

Molestation of the Mind
Islam's explosive jihad that destroyed half of Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism was pure violence. Now let's look at what manifests after violent molestation. The YWCA Rape Crisis Counselor Training Manual shows the following reactions are common among victims of rape and child molestation.
Disbelief: the victim has an incredibly hard time believing that the attacks took place.

Kafirs are in absolute denial that a history of political Islam even exists.

Fear: fear is the tool that the abuser uses to control the victim.
Islam has used fear against intellectuals since day one. The first person Mohammed had assassinated was a poetess who mocked him. Any public critic lives in fear.

Fear the attacker will return
When will the next attack occur? (Answer: when we give up looking for it.)

Guilt: the victim finds a way to blame him/herself.
It is our fault. We have not treated Islam in the right way. When we have better social policies, life with Islam will be good.

Branded: the victim does not want others to find out about the crime.
Find a white person who knows that his ancestors were slaves for Islam or that Muslims paid top dollar to purchase a white sex slave in the Meccan slave market.

Humiliation: the victim feels shamed. The things that led to the abuse are hard to talk about.
The victims of jihad in the American immigrant community do not want to talk about the brutality that made them flee to America. Survivors are not bold. They are a beaten people.

Lack of control: during the attack the victim was helpless. This helplessness extends to dealing with the problem.
Where is the person who is optimistic about what can be done to deal with political Islam?

Anger: anger toward the attacker can be healthy. But frequently the anger turns inward.
Notice the rage and hatred in politics since 9/11. Everything is personal, hateful, mean, and spiteful. We don't discuss ideas; we assassinate character.

Powerlessness: things will not get better.
Pessimism in all things is the note of the day.

Kafirs are the abused children of Islam.
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They are at war with us about time we decided to fight back!!!-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/an-ethical-basis-for-war-against-political-islam-part-6/

An Ethical Basis for War Against Political Islam, part 6.Posted in An Ethical Basis for War

Denmark is all in a twiddle about letting female judges wear a headscarf.
The more important question is how can Muslims become judges in a kafir legal system when their first allegiance is supposed to be to the sharia?

A Saudi reformer wants to have the sword removed from the Saudi flag. Is he denying the Sword verses in the Koran?

Like music and singing, maybe a dance or two? They are haram (forbidden) in Islam according to Sharia even though many Mohammedans continue to break this law.


This newsletter is one of a series on the subject:

An Ethical Basis for War Against Political Islam Newsletter #6

Who are the Kafirs?
The kafirs are condemned to Islamic Hell because we don't accept Mohammed as any kind of prophet or leader. We are the dhimmis, the slaves, and the slain of every continent. Unfortunately, the kafirs are the ignorant, the unknowing and the frightened. We don't know anything about the 270 million dead killed in the name of Allah. But consider the rest of our vast ignorance:

Almost none of our diplomats and "experts" have never read any of the Trilogy, nor were they taught the doctrine of political Islam in college.
Jews and Christians do not know about the Arabian Annihilation (the elimination of all Jews and Christians from Arabia).
People don't know that white women were the slaves of choice among Muslims for 1400 years.
Our media and intellectuals do not acknowledge rape of the kafirs as a weapon of war.
Christians don't realize that they lost half their territory and 60 million people to Islam in Turkey, Syria, and North Africa.
Political Islam destroyed half of Hindu culture.
Political Islam annihilated most of Buddhist culture.
Islam destroyed all of the native religious culture of Africa in Islamic areas.
The theory and history of jihad are not taught in any military academy, foreign service school, or law enforcement school. The majority of our military, state department, and law enforcement personnel are ignorant and in denial.

These facts about political Islam are like a dead elephant at a tea party. It's not the elephant that is weird; what is weird is that no one refers to it. No one talks about it.

And the important thing about the kafirs, intellectual response to Islam is the same: we have done nothing; we know nothing. It is this nothing that must be explained.

The Acceptance of Ignorance
We know more about Mars than we do political Islam. Mohammedans have been killing, enslaving and raping for 1400 years and we ignore it. Why don't we even know we are ignorant? Denial. Profound denial.

We accept violence and fear from Islam. Any author who writes a book critical about Islam can share Salman Rushdie's fate-a death sentence by Islamic clerics. Here is the sick part: we don't protest. We show no outrage. How can we have come to this? Have we no sense of decency left? No honor? No shame? No common sense? Kafirs, accept violence and fear from Islam without protest. This acceptance of violence is the sign of a profoundly molested psyche. Kafirs are the battered wife and molested child of Islam.

Violent molestation can cause complete denial.

Molestation of the Mind
Islam's explosive jihad that destroyed half of Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism was pure violence. Now let's look at what manifests after violent molestation. The YWCA Rape Crisis Counselor Training Manual shows the following reactions are common among victims of rape and child molestation.
Disbelief: the victim has an incredibly hard time believing that the attacks took place.

Kafirs are in absolute denial that a history of political Islam even exists.

Fear: fear is the tool that the abuser uses to control the victim.
Islam has used fear against intellectuals since day one. The first person Mohammed had assassinated was a poetess who mocked him. Any public critic lives in fear.

Fear the attacker will return
When will the next attack occur? (Answer: when we give up looking for it.)

Guilt: the victim finds a way to blame him/herself.
It is our fault. We have not treated Islam in the right way. When we have better social policies, life with Islam will be good.

Branded: the victim does not want others to find out about the crime.
Find a white person who knows that his ancestors were slaves for Islam or that Muslims paid top dollar to purchase a white sex slave in the Meccan slave market.

Humiliation: the victim feels shamed. The things that led to the abuse are hard to talk about.
The victims of jihad in the American immigrant community do not want to talk about the brutality that made them flee to America. Survivors are not bold. They are a beaten people.

Lack of control: during the attack the victim was helpless. This helplessness extends to dealing with the problem.
Where is the person who is optimistic about what can be done to deal with political Islam?

Anger: anger toward the attacker can be healthy. But frequently the anger turns inward.
Notice the rage and hatred in politics since 9/11. Everything is personal, hateful, mean, and spiteful. We don't discuss ideas; we assassinate character.

Powerlessness: things will not get better.
Pessimism in all things is the note of the day.

Kafirs are the abused children of Islam.
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They are at war with us about time we decided to fight back!!!-Tyr


What? Truth about Islam is too dangerous to even talk about? It is not for an honorable man IMHO..-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Christians don't own territory.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Christians don't own territory.

They once did...;), lots of it too.:clap:
Of course that was before the muslim hordes advanced and murdered millions of them.
A repeat performance they are attempting again IMHO...---Tyr

[Dilloduck]

They once did...;), lots of it too.:clap:
Of course that was before the muslim hordes advanced and murdered millions of them.
A repeat performance they are attempting again IMHO...---Tyr

Christianity isn't about controlling territory.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Christianity isn't about controlling territory.

So true, the millions murdered found that out, didnt they? Because Islam was and still is...Get the point, they did because it was on the end of a sword slashing sword back then!-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

So true, the millions murdered found that out, didnt they? Because Islam was and still is...Get the point, they did because it was on the end of a sword slashing sword back then!-Tyr

Millions ? Worse than the Nazi's did to the Jews even ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Millions ? Worse than the Nazi's did to the Jews even ?


http://www.infideltaskforce.com/tearsofjihad.htm

Tears Of Jihad The Infidel Task Force is proud to publish a startling commentary on the insatiable thirst for blood committed by Mohammad followers in the past 1400 years. These are the shocking figures that have been forgotten by newer generations of children and by the vast distortion of world wide history books.

This genocide continues today. Only recently has the media brought to the worlds attention, the slaughter of Christians in Iraq, Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East, and areas of Northern Africa like Nigeria, Sudan, Darfur, Somalia.

The Tears Of Jihad - Part One

The following article attempts to shed light on the number of people killed by Islamic Jihad. It arrives at the the figure of 270 million. But I know for example the figure for Hindus and Buddhist killed by Islamic Jihad was put at 80 million as a moderate estimate - some historians believed that it was possible that 100-120 million Indians were killed to bring that country under Sharia.

The real figure of those killed by Islamic Jihad could be somewhere around 300-400 million. Because here we are forgetting to conquests of the Middle East, Persia, the Caucasus and North Africa. There are stories of the Berber tribes people [who now call themselves Arab], put up a good fight against the Islamic invaders, one woman commander among them.

In addition - though the following article states that only Christians and Jews were awarded the status of dhimmihood - while Hindus and others had to convert or die - to some extent the invaders held to this Islamic 'truth' - killing 100,000 in a single day. Still 100,000's and possibly millions of Hindus/Buddhists were sent as slaves to Baghdad markets. Many of those who were enslaved were forcibly converted and turned round to conquer more of India. The Ottoman Empire used the same tactics in Eastern Europe - where even today in Bulgaria example... for a Muslim to call a non-Muslim a slave or Giaour is considered an insult - comparable to a racial slur.

We are told that the Muslim population around the world is 1.3 billion. Of course converting from Islam is not allowed - so the secret Christians of Iran and across the Middle East and North African would not be counted. But if just 300 million people were slaughtered in Jihad - that would mean that nearly every 4 Muslims alive today ~ 1 would have been killed to spread Islam or 1/4.


Chilling statistics - and what is more chilling is that unlike Christians who will apologize profusely for past wrongs - expect Muslims to make no such apologies - these are God's wars. All that killing in the name of Islam from the time of Muhammad - to them was sanctioned by God.
Tears of Jihad
These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

120 million Africans

Christians
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes millions. Millions more of other religions as well. I don't just make up numbers myself you know..-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tears Of Jihad The following is Part Two of Tears Of Jihad

[jimnyc]

Tyr, I edited your first post about "Tears of Jihad" down to an acceptable amount, and deleted your entire second post. Posting entire articles like that can possibly get us into issues with copyright. Sorry!

[Dilloduck]

interesting blog !

[fj1200]

Starting a war against a religion... Hmm, is that Constitutional?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

interesting blog !

Yes, I found it very interesting . How many even at college level are being taught the truth about how Islam's 1400 year spread involved the deaths of well over 200 million people? Or that once fully engaged today's Jihad campaigns will murder millions more!-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

A college level course that teaches the future is a great idea. All the history course seem to focus on the past.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A college level course that teaches the future is a great idea. All the history course seem to focus on the past.

What , no global warming being taught in college these days? Sarcasm aside, I believe future possibilities are taught all the time in college. If you disagree , care to explain why..
Havent you ever learned that if we fail to heed history's lessons we are doomed to repeat them?-Tyr

[jafar00]

Starting a war against a religion... Hmm, is that Constitutional?

Not unless ethnic cleaning is acceptable.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Not unless ethnic cleaning is acceptable.

Perhaps you and the "genius" you just replied to didn't understand why the subject was war against -POLITICAL- Islam.. As in a political war which would not be about murdering people. Of course Islam has just one way and that is ALL about murdering to instill FEAR. Ever hear a thing called a War of Words? With information being the KEY to stopping much of what Islam the Religion plans HERE. Americans have been spoonfed too much bullshat about Islam IMHO. We need to get the word out about its TRUE history of almost total violence and how it spread so fast by using that! And why it has cranked that same method up to expand even faster today.
Of course I being not a gentle, appeasing soul would have no problem quickly dispatching murdering Jihadist scum that came my way to harm myself or my family. Thats the major reason that they just love to use the hidden bomb method, too damn scared to fight! Just push a button and booooom, its over and they get to go to hell and meet their gay lovers in Satallah's paradise!--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

What , no global warming being taught in college these days? Sarcasm aside, I believe future possibilities are taught all the time in college. If you disagree , care to explain why..
Havent you ever learned that if we fail to heed history's lessons we are doomed to repeat them?-Tyr

History is full of lessons. Many contradict each other. Haste makes waste. A stitch in time saves nine.
We are doomed to repeat history




Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.George Santayana (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_santayana.html)

[fj1200]

Perhaps you and the "genius" you just replied to didn't understand why the subject was war against -POLITICAL- Islam.. As in a political war which would not be about murdering people.

It doesn't take a "genius" to understand the difference between a "war" and a "political war."

[jafar00]

Americans have been spoonfed too much bullshat about Islam IMHO.

That includes you. Put that spoon away and sit and discuss Islam with Muslims rather than relying on those brainwashing websites you read. You may find that Muslims are the exact opposite of what you have been led to believe.

[logroller]

Havent you ever learned that if we fail to heed history's lessons we are doomed to repeat them?-Tyr
you mean like the crusades; which, under the auspices of restoring access to Jerusalem, secured pecuniary interests in commodities, their trade routes and taxes? Of course, the indigenous muslim peoples were arguably better off under Christian rule, initially, but after the fall of the Mongol empire (modern day Russia), the ensuing power struggle gave way to religious intolerance and oppression to stave off the loss of those same monetary interests. Doomed indeed!!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

you mean like the crusades; which, under the auspices of restoring access to Jerusalem, secured pecuniary interests in commodities, their trade routes and taxes? Of course, the indigenous muslim peoples were arguably better off under Christian rule, initially, but after the fall of the Mongol empire (modern day Russia), the ensuing power struggle gave way to religious intolerance and oppression to stave off the loss of those same monetary interests. Doomed indeed!!!

How about a quick example of something far more recent than the Crusades? Since we are discussing current actions by Islamists and their agenda. Just a quick one that I grabbed , where unarmed and non-violent Hindu's were attacked and murdered for no justifiable reason, there are many more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noakhali_genocide

Noakhali genocideFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Noakhali genocide
নোয়াখালী গণহত্যা

Gandhi listens to a survivor in Noakhali
Location Noakhali, Bengal, India
Date October–November 1946
Target Bengali Hindus
Attack type Massacre, Forced conversion
Weapon(s) Ramdaos, Teta, Koch
Deaths 5,000 - 10,000
Perpetrators Muslim National Guards, ex-servicemen, private militia

Noakhali genocide (Bengali: নোয়াখালী গণহত্যা), also known as the Noakhali Carnage, was a series of massacres, rapes, abductions and forced conversions of Hindus and looting and arson of Hindu properties, perpetrated by the Muslim community in the districts of Noakhali[N 1] and Tipperah[N 2] in the Chittagong Division of Bengal in October–November 1946, a year before India's independence from British rule. It affected the areas under the Ramganj, Begumganj, Raipur, Lakshmipur, Chhagalnaiya and Sandwip police stations in Noakhali district and the areas under Hajiganj, Faridganj, Chandpur, Laksham and Chauddagram police stations in Tipperah district, a total area of more than 2,000 square miles.

The massacre of the Hindu population started on 10 October, on the day of Kojagari Lakshmi Puja, and continued unabated for about a week. It is estimated that over 5,000 Hindus were killed,[1][2] hundreds of Hindu women were raped and thousands of Hindu men and women were forcibly converted to Islam.[3] Around 50,000 to 75,000 survivors were sheltered in temporary relief camps in Comilla, Chandpur, Agartala and other places.[4] Apart from that, around 50,000 Hindus that remained marooned in the affected areas were under the strict surveillance of the Muslim hooligans, where the administration had to say.[4] In some areas, the Hindus had to obtain permits from the Muslim leaders in order to travel outside their villages. The forcibly converted Hindus were coerced to give written declaration that they have converted to Islam on their own free will. Sometimes they were confined in houses not their own and only allowed to be in their own house, when an official party came for inspection. The Hindus were forced to pay subscription to the Muslim League and pay jiziyah, the protection tax paid by zimmis in an Islamic state.[5]

Haran Chandra Ghosh Choudhuri, the only Hindu representative to Bengal Legislative Assembly from the district of Noakhali, described the incidents as the organized fury of the Muslim mob.[6] Syama Prasad Mookerjee, the former Vice-Chancellor of the University of Calcutta and the former Finance Minister of Bengal, dismissed the argument that the Noakhali incidents were ordinary communal riots. He described the events as a planned and concerted attack by the majority community on the minority community.[4]

Mohandas Gandhi camped in Noakhali for four months and toured the district in a mission to restore peace and communal harmony. However, the peace mission failed to restore confidence among the survivors, who couldn't be permanently rehabilitated in their villages. In the meanwhile, the Congress leadership accepted the Partition of India and the peace mission and other relief camps were abandoned. The majority of the survivors migrated to West Bengal, Tripura[7] and Assam.[8]

The majority of the survivors left leaving absolute control of the territory to the muslims. These types of attacks and the same results have been repeated thousands of times by muslims, its a method they use.There has been a wholesale deliberate effort made to keep this kind of information from being presented to Americans not just this one incident but a history of many many such incidents.. Crusades are ancient history and only represented a fighting back of Christians against muslims in that era. Today it's about the many, many unprovoked attacks coming from muslims against non-muslims simply because they are -NOT- believers..-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That includes you. Put that spoon away and sit and discuss Islam with Muslims rather than relying on those brainwashing websites you read. You may find that Muslims are the exact opposite of what you have been led to believe.

Not true, I've done my research and continue to do so even now! I only wish that the peaceful good muslims would stand up against their fellow faithful that murder so many innocent people but they do not. Perhaps you could put on an onest Hat for a moment and explain why there is not a MAJOR MOVEMENT BY THE SOCALLED PEACEFUL ISLAMISTS to stop the Radicals? One would think such a subversion would caused a rapidly larger and intensely serious reaction instead of some shallow talk and then the turning of the blind eye.
Yes, I admitted that there are many really good muslims(there damn sure are!). Those that truly believe and abhor violence.To protect their religion they will have to stop the others and this sitting on thier hands and only playing lipservice doesnt cut it by any means! We that are NOT BLIND see this.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Not true, I've done my research and continue to do so even now! I only wish that the peaceful good muslims would stand up against their fellow faithful that murder so many innocent people but they do not. Perhaps you could put on an onest Hat for a moment and explain why there is not a MAJOR MOVEMENT BY THE SOCALLED PEACEFUL ISLAMISTS to stop the Radicals? One would think such a subversion would caused a rapidly larger and intensely serious reaction instead of some shallow talk and then the turning of the blind eye.
Yes, I admitted that there are many really good muslims(there damn sure are!). Those that truly believe and abhor violence.To protect their religion they will have to stop the others and this sitting on thier hands and only playing lipservice doesnt cut it by any means! We that are NOT BLIND see this.-Tyr

Go get em, Tiger !

[logroller]

How about a quick example of something far more recent than the Crusades?
Oh I'm sorry; was my historical example too old to be considered relevant?


Since we are discussing current actions by Islamists and their agenda.
Is that what we're discussing?

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
Havent you ever learned that if we fail to heed history's lessons we are doomed to repeat them?-Tyr

"Just a quick one that I grabbed," but was that not current enough to be considered part of our discussion? Or is it just strawman too?


The majority of the survivors left leaving absolute control of the trrotory to the muslims. These types of attacks and the same results have been repeated thousands of times by muslims, its a method they use.-Tyr
Its a method man has used throughout time-- this is nothing new-- nor your rhetoric under the guise of ethical justification. Perhaps you fail to grasp the meaning of the quote,


Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.--George Santayana

[fj1200]

Oh I'm sorry; was my historical example too old to be considered relevant?

Just not one that allows unfettered demagoguery.

[logroller]

...unfettered demagoguery.
I'd of went with 'relentless rabble-rousing' for the rhetorical irony.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Oh I'm sorry; was my historical example too old to be considered relevant?


Is that what we're discussing?

"Just a quick one that I grabbed," but was that not current enough to be considered part of our discussion? Or is it just strawman too?

Its a method man has used throughout time-- this is nothing new-- nor your rhetoric under the guise of ethical justification. Perhaps you fail to grasp the meaning of the quote,

Our SURVIVAL dictates that we recognise danger and take appropriate relevant action not sit blindly about expecting that our sense of fair play, goodness and mercy will save us! For history has repeatedly shown that such foolish thoughts and inaction have so often doomed people to obliteration and slavery! Information is key to recognising that our survival is at stake! Here are a few relevant quotes about survival and why the fear that they seek to burden us with should also serve to stir us to act in our own self interests sooner rather than later.

"The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he is on."-Joseph Heller-Catch-22

"If you dont hunt it down and kill it, it will hunt you down and kill you."-Flannery O'Connor

Fear is a part of life. It's a warning mechanism. That's all. It tells you when there is danger around. Its job is to help you survive. Not cripple you into being unable to do it."-Jim Butcher, Dead Beat

" The strong survive, but the COURAGEOUS TRIUMPH."- Micheal Scott-- The Warlock.

" Relax. They're going to TRY to kill us. And that is a very different thing ." Steve Voake- The Dreamwalker's Child.

"One thing you have to realise from now on is that it doesnt matter if its a dream or not. Survival depends on what you do , not what you think."--Rebecca McKinsey - Anterria

"Tough times don't last, tough people do, remember." Gregory Peck..

This thread is about defending against-POLITICAL ISLAM. Yet nobody replying has been able to keep out references to the violent deeds currently being carried out by Islam fundamentalists and that is because those deeds random they may appear are actually a unified exercise in thats religions methods of exspansion around the world. They are at war with us while we the (West) refuse to admit or address that (a much cultivated and clear advantage for them).
Where the rubber meets the road is it is about two things , Death and Survival (BOTH SET AS TERMS THEY FORCE). I do not really care about this tit for tat about the morality of it all now. It has advanced far past that time and considerations now IMHO.-Tyr

[logroller]

^ bump

...'relentless rabble-rousing'...

[logroller]

This thread is about defending against-POLITICAL ISLAM. Yet nobody replying has been able to keep out references to the violent deeds currently being carried out by Islam fundamentalists and that is because those deeds random they may appear are actually a unified exercise in thats religions methods of exspansion around the world. They are at war with us while we the (West) refuse to admit or address that (a much cultivated and clear advantage for them).
Where the rubber meets the road is it is about two things , Death and Survival (BOTH SET AS TERMS THEY FORCE). I do not really care about this tit for tat about the morality of it all now. It has advanced far past that time and considerations now IMHO.-Tyr
funny-- the thread title reads 'an ethical basis for war against political Islam', not defending against it. Regardless, your pragmatic approach is one which has been tried during the crusades and ultimately failed because the kernel of this approach is empire-building, not survival... Save survival of our empire and the continued riches it has delivered. But like all things ill-gotten by tyranny and oppression, it is fleeting and violent savagery will again take the place of reason, truth and love.
Gandhi (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0001426): " Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always."
: Gandhi, an apostle of non-violence, was murdered by an Indian nationalist sympathetic to the British empire's rule for what was seen as his being partial to Muslims.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

.....
.... Regardless, your pragmatic approach is one which has been tried during the crusades and ultimately failed because the kernel of this approach is empire-building, not survival... Save survival of our empire and the continued riches it has delivered. But like all things ill-gotten by tyranny and oppression, it is fleeting and violent savagery will again take the place of reason, truth and love.

Really? Really??? What empire did we build after WW2? What territory did we grab? What ill-gotten things by tyranny have we savagely taken from the world at large (excluding the land we took to establish this nation)?
I simply will not agree to this tyranny that you speak of . As to our survival being invalidated by our past wrongs-poppycock! Show me where any nation has done no wrong or has been so much better in its advancement of its own interests!?? You can not, so this line of reasoning , absolutely fails in my book.-Tyr


Gandhi (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0001426): " Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always."
: Gandhi, an apostle of non-violence, was murdered by an Indian nationalist sympathetic to the British empire's rule for what was seen as his being partial to Muslims.

Truth and love are not part of the survival methods and importance. Rather they are a worthy part of living if and when one does survive!-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Truth and love are not part of the survival methods and importance.

Seriously ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Seriously ?
Why did you cut out the second part of my statement?
"RATHER THEY ARE A WORTHY PART OF LIVING IF ONE DOES SURVIVE."
Yes seriously.
A LYING SOB THAT LOVES NOBODY CAN SURVIVE BY BEING AWARE OF THE DANGER AND TAKING APPROPRIATE ACTIONS. :laugh:-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Why did you cut out the second part of my statement?
"RATHER THEY ARE A WORTHY PART OF LIVING IF ONE DOES SURVIVE."
Yes seriously.
A LYING SOB THAT LOVES NOBODY CAN SURVIVE BY BEING AWARE OF THE DANGER AND TAKING APPROPRIATE ACTIONS. :laugh:-Tyr

Sorry---I'll quote your entire post next time. I was just trying to save space. Surviving without truth and love must be a blast.

[jafar00]

I only wish that the peaceful good muslims would stand up against their fellow faithful that murder so many innocent people but they do not. Perhaps you could put on an onest Hat for a moment and explain why there is not a MAJOR MOVEMENT BY THE SOCALLED PEACEFUL ISLAMISTS to stop the Radicals? One would think such a subversion would caused a rapidly larger and intensely serious reaction instead of some shallow talk and then the turning of the blind eye.

I would gladly stand up against them, but I have yet to meet a terrorist or a dangerous radical. How do you know if someone is a terrorist or not? The most extreme Muslims I have met were some Sufis who want to withdraw from this world and concentrate solely on the afterlife with more and more worship activities.

There has been plenty of condemnation from Islamic leaders worldwide and regular services in Mosques promote peaceful living and respect of others as standard.

You are looking for criminals that rarely attend the Mosque. The best ones to find criminals before they act are the police.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sorry---I'll quote your entire post next time. I was just trying to save space. Surviving without truth and love must be a blast.

Why? Plenty of space here for those few important words that help to keep things in context!

Many people do it. Hell old age often brings on that stage . However my second statement highlighted the need to not be that way even for survival. As I said it was not a part of the survival method because one can survive without using either of those two. I did not indicate it was to be a part of life after having survived, now did I?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I would gladly stand up against them, but I have yet to meet a terrorist or a dangerous radical. How do you know if someone is a terrorist or not? The most extreme Muslims I have met were some Sufis who want to withdraw from this world and concentrate solely on the afterlife with more and more worship activities.

There has been plenty of condemnation from Islamic leaders worldwide and regular services in Mosques promote peaceful living and respect of others as standard.

You are looking for criminals that rarely attend the Mosque. The best ones to find criminals before they act are the police.

In some countries they can be spotted running around with thier AK47's shooting innocent villagers or with blades hacking innocent people to death.. They tend to not try that here yet because too many of us have guns , are damn good using them and wouldnt hestitate a damn second to blow their damn heads off! Include me in that group. Too bad you and I will not be able to team up to mow down such cutthroats someday, eh?;)--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Got it---throw out love and truth if necessary to survive.

Many old people live without love and truth ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Got it---throw out love and truth if necessary to survive.

Many old people live without love and truth ?

Yes, you got it . Happy now? I hope so because Im not going to write an essay on the subject.
Obviously you have a problem understanding the difference between survival methods and actual life before or after surviving a life threatening danger. Or else you like issuing short and often silly misconstrued quips for me to answer. In the future I'll return the favor , how about that?-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Yes, you got it . Happy now? I hope so because Im not going to write an essay on the subject.
Obviously you have a problem understanding the difference between survival methods and actual life before or after surviving a life threatening danger. Or else you like issuing short and often silly misconstrued quips for me to answer. In the future I'll return the favor , how about that?-Tyr

You were typing all those novels out just for me ? Awwww you shouldn't have.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You were typing all those novels out just for me ? Awwww you shouldn't have.

Do you often have these feelings of almighty importance?

[Dilloduck]

Do you often have these feelings of almighty importance?

See how much easier that is-----now briefly explain again how killing Muslims is ethical. We just convince ourselves that it's them or us and that makes genocide ok?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

See how much easier that is-----now briefly explain again how killing Muslims is ethical. We just convince ourselves that it's them or us and that makes genocide ok?

While you leave out the possibility that it is or soon will be them or us because they set the terms.. And nobody spoke of genocide so burn that strawdog . I'm not buying it..
Was it them or us during WW2? IF YES , THEN WHY DO YOU FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO EVER BE SO AGAIN?
This thread was about waging political war with Islam because they are doing so against us and we are sitting on our hands attempting to kiss their collective asses. Violence is a huge part of their actions now but sooner or later they will escalate their attacks because we arent properly addressing their increasing violence. How long would you expect your neighbor to tolerate you shooting his dogs, threatening to kill his kids while you hit them every chance you got? Islamist fundamentalists are doing far, far worse than that and apparently you think ignoring it a wise course of inaction! Yet you never put forth any ideals on how to stop that when our inaction merely increases it.
Our inaction and refusal to stand firm as did Jefferson is seen by them as great weakness and they love to destroy weaker peoples. History clearly points that out..-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

While you leave out the possibility that it is or soon will be them or us because they set the terms.. And nobody spoke of genocide so burn that strawdog . I'm not buying it..
Was it them or us during WW2? IF YES , THEN WHY DO YOU FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO EVER BE SO AGAIN?
This thread was about waging political war with Islam because they are doing so against us and we are sitting on our hands attempting to kiss their collective asses. Violence is a huge part of their actions now but sooner or later they will escalate their attacks because we arent properly addressing their increasing violence. How long would you expect your neighbor to tolerate you shooting his dogs, threatening to kill his kids while you hit them every chance you got? Islamist fundamentalists are doing far, far worse than that and apparently you think ignoring it a wise course of inaction! Yet you never put forth any ideals on how to stop that when our inaction merely increases it.
Our inaction and refusal to stand firm as did Jefferson is seen by them as great weakness and they love to destroy weaker peoples. History clearly points that out..-Tyr

Theocide ? Whatever you want to call it. I haven't seen you suggest any political acts for the US to take in this political war. All I hear is calls for us to meet their violence with violence but you don't even offer specific targets. Seriously--do you think we can eradicate Islam from the face of the earth ?

[jafar00]

In some countries they can be spotted running around with thier AK47's

The only ones with AKs where I am at the moment are police and army soldiers on the streets :p

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Theocide ? Whatever you want to call it. I haven't seen you suggest any political acts for the US to take in this political war. All I hear is calls for us to meet their violence with violence but you don't even offer specific targets. Seriously--do you think we can eradicate Islam from the face of the earth ?

Your defeatist attitude and acceptance of following the path of appeasement surely leads to ultimate surrender. I maintain that we go back to supporting our Constitution and stop babying , coddling, protecting and kissing ass of the muslims as the socialist Dem party has had us do now for decades! Its high time that we wake up to the threat and take real action to stop it. We can not do that by adopting your attitude on the matter. -Tyr

[fj1200]

I maintain that we go back to supporting our Constitution and...

What does supporting the Constitution have to do with it?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Your defeatist attitude and acceptance of following the path of appeasement surely leads to ultimate surrender. I maintain that we go back to supporting our Constitution and stop babying , coddling, protecting and kissing ass of the muslims as the socialist Dem party has had us do now for decades! Its high time that we wake up to the threat and take real action to stop it. We can not do that by adopting your attitude on the matter. -Tyr

^^^^^ Recent events in the ME just further validate the correctness of that post quoted above from a couple weeks ago..
If only my being a "prophet" brought me greater "profit" than that of my being correct so often .....:laugh:-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

^^^^^ Recent events in the ME just further validate the correctness of that post quoted above from a couple weeks ago..
If only my being a "prophet" brought me greater "profit" than that of my being correct so often .....:laugh:-Tyr

It's happening in Africa------not America.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It's happening in Africa------not America.

You still can not see the forrest for the trees, eh? They block your view, right?
Islam is nearing a great unification , we are seeing its birth. Of course it didnt start here.
Jerusalem is not here. Dude, do you ever have a lot to learn!-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Theocide ? Whatever you want to call it. I haven't seen you suggest any political acts for the US to take in this political war. All I hear is calls for us to meet their violence with violence but you don't even offer specific targets. Seriously--do you think we can eradicate Islam from the face of the earth ?

First political act.. -Get rid of (vote!) thier greatest supporter here -obama
Second political act - Create a government body that will be responsible for preventing Sharia law in any form by any state or U.S. government official from being practiced here in our nation! Sharia law has no Constitutional protection..-Tyr

[mundame]

Starting a war against a religion... Hmm, is that Constitutional?


Apparently so, in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and all the other places you can be killed for being Christian or having a Bible.

So they invade here and Europe by the millions and take advantage of our religious freedom laws, but keep their home countries totally free of any religion but Islam ------

It's like a ratchet, they get more and more and more and we continually lose.

Hey, neat way to conquer the world; it's been working for Islam since the 7th century.

[Dilloduck]

Apparently so, in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and all the other places you can be killed for being Christian or having a Bible.

So they invade here and Europe by the millions and take advantage of our religious freedom laws, but keep their home countries totally free of any religion but Islam ------

It's like a ratchet, they get more and more and more and we continually lose.

Hey, neat way to conquer the world; it's been working for Islam since the 7th century.

It would be unconstitutional to declare war against Islam according to the American Constitution.

[Dilloduck]

First political act.. -Get rid of (vote!) thier greatest supporter here -obama
Second political act - Create a government body that will be responsible for preventing Sharia law in any form by any state or U.S. government official from being practiced here in our nation! Sharia law has no Constitutional protection..-Tyr

Focus now----Are you getting rid of Sharia Law or Islam ?

[fj1200]

Apparently so, in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and all the other places you can be killed for being Christian or having a Bible.

At what point did E, SA, and A all ratify the Constitution?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Focus now----Are you getting rid of Sharia Law or Islam ?

How about you try focusing? I plainly typed Sharia law in my quoted comment..
All the department would have to do is watchdog our legal system and insure all laws are based upon our Constitution and none are based upon Sharia law . Quite simple really. And quite Constitutional as well.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/the-silence-of-the-pulpits/

They are also full throated apologists for Islam. Now it turns out that their actual knowledge about the doctrine and history of political Islam is close to zero and Muslim-brotherhood-approved, but that is no problem. The Establishment just says that those who find fault with Islam are bigots and they hate us.
The silence of the pulpits is the greatest aider and abettor of Islam in the US. No one serves and advances Islam better than the silent ministers. They have abandoned their duty of courage in the face of persecution, but the rest of the flock still looks for moral leadership from them. Islam triumphs when Christian leaders do not condemn the murderous evil of political Islam.
Even worse than the silent ministers are those who go to “interfaith dialogs” and smile while the Muslims assert religious and political dominance over them. The nice, oh so nice, Christians and Jews show up to tie, while the Muslims are there to win, and they do.
Christians need to follow the example of Jesus and willingly suffer the condemnation by the Establishment and fight against the political Islam that murders Christians. Said another way, Christians should demonstrate courage and sacrifice to support their cruelly murdered brothers and sisters.
We cannot defeat political Islam until we get Christian boots on the ground. Do the math. The pulpits must become a source of courage and knowledge and stand up for Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and all others who suffer under Islam’s persecution today and for the last 1400 years.
It isn’t just about religion; it is about the survival of our civilization.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We need a campaign against the damn apologists! We have a few of them here.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

:clap: I knew you would settle for something Constitutional instead eliminating Islam.

[Dilloduck]

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/the-silence-of-the-pulpits/

They are also full throated apologists for Islam. Now it turns out that their actual knowledge about the doctrine and history of political Islam is close to zero and Muslim-brotherhood-approved, but that is no problem. The Establishment just says that those who find fault with Islam are bigots and they hate us.
The silence of the pulpits is the greatest aider and abettor of Islam in the US. No one serves and advances Islam better than the silent ministers. They have abandoned their duty of courage in the face of persecution, but the rest of the flock still looks for moral leadership from them. Islam triumphs when Christian leaders do not condemn the murderous evil of political Islam.
Even worse than the silent ministers are those who go to “interfaith dialogs” and smile while the Muslims assert religious and political dominance over them. The nice, oh so nice, Christians and Jews show up to tie, while the Muslims are there to win, and they do.
Christians need to follow the example of Jesus and willingly suffer the condemnation by the Establishment and fight against the political Islam that murders Christians. Said another way, Christians should demonstrate courage and sacrifice to support their cruelly murdered brothers and sisters.
We cannot defeat political Islam until we get Christian boots on the ground. Do the math. The pulpits must become a source of courage and knowledge and stand up for Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and all others who suffer under Islam’s persecution today and for the last 1400 years.
It isn’t just about religion; it is about the survival of our civilization.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We need a campaign against the damn apologists! We have a few of them here.-Tyr

Onward everyreligionexceptIslam soldiers ? No thanks.

[jafar00]

Apparently so, in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and all the other places you can be killed for being Christian or having a Bible.

What? You mean I have to go and kill some of my staff in Cairo now because they are bible carrying christians? Damn.

[red states rule]

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/12433.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/12433.jpg

Islamists would lust after that image while caressing their camels late at night. My uncle used to always say, they cover their women because they see that the camels are prettier!-:laugh2:

[red states rule]

Islamists would lust after that image while caressing their camels late at night. My uncle used to always say, they cover their women because they see that the camels are prettier!-:laugh2:

I wonder what Abozo and Jarhead thinks of her. Would they stone her in the street for dressing like this anywhere in the ME, or would they just enjoy the view?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I wonder what Abozo and Jarhead thinks of her. Would they stone her in the street for dressing like this anywhere in the ME, or would they just enjoy the view?

She would be stoned quicker than you can say , Iran plans on nuking Israel! Of course no telling what those animals would do to the body after death. They have some freaky ways over there my friend!-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What? You mean I have to go and kill some of my staff in Cairo now because they are bible carrying christians? Damn.

Not unless one of your freaked out mullahs told ya to..-;) Then you'd have no choice , it'll be do as told or die .-Tyr

[jafar00]

Not unless one of your freaked out mullahs told ya to..-;) Then you'd have no choice , it'll be do as told or die .-Tyr

I don't know any mullahs sorry.

[red states rule]

Not unless one of your freaked out mullahs told ya to..-;) Then you'd have no choice , it'll be do as told or die .-Tyr


Allow me to offend Abozo, Jarhead, and the mullahs once again


http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/sexy_burqa.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Allow me to offend Abozo, Jarhead, and the mullahs once again


http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/sexy_burqa.jpg


haha, if they had them that looked like that they wouldnt be stupiciding themselves to get into heaven to bang a few!

[tailfins]

I don't know any mullahs sorry.

I apologize on behalf of Republican voters: We are not all like that.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I apologize on behalf of Republican voters: We are not all like that.

O' brother' , thats truly some kind of arrogance. Thinking that you speak for the others ! Thinking that you have the authority to apologise for an entire group of people! Say, what position do you hold in that group?
Apparently it must be extremely high for you to attempt to apologise on the behalf of others . How many of the other Republicans did you consult before tossing out this apology? A bit like obama isnt it, apologising without having the authority to do so ?-;)

[jafar00]

haha, if they had them that looked like that they wouldnt be stupiciding themselves to get into heaven to bang a few!

It's great to see what great respect you guys have for women. I don't know how you can pillory our women for covering their modesty and saving themselves for marriage in the same breath :/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It's great to see what great respect you guys have for women. I don't know how you can pillory our women for covering their modesty and saving themselves for marriage in the same breath :/

If you guys respect them so much why do you treat them like livestock, like property?
Why keep them covered up after marraige? Thats right, because animalistic urges flow thru the veins of Allah's faithful followers and they can not control their sexual lusts. Just like Mohammad..-Tyr

[tailfins]

It's great to see what great respect you guys have for women. I don't know how you can pillory our women for covering their modesty and saving themselves for marriage in the same breath :/


What if some DON'T WANT TO "cover their modesty and save themselves for marriage"? From a surface view, there are some Islamic values I can agree with. But what about free will?

[jimnyc]

It's great to see what great respect you guys have for women. I don't know how you can pillory our women for covering their modesty and saving themselves for marriage in the same breath :/

Not you, and obviously not Muslims everywhere - but in many nations and many areas and many Muslim families - what happens to a woman if she refuses to wear the head covering and goes out in public? Do women have choices to wear these coverings in all Muslim countries? Or is it perhaps demanded of them in far too many places? We all already know the answer, but humor us a bit with some more of your denial and twisting!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.business-standard.com/generalnews/news/two-youths-arrested-in-rape-cum-murder-cases/64519/

The duo had kidnapped the victim from Gamri Extension and took her near the garbage dump in Usmanpur. "Both of them raped the child and then threw her in garbage dump," ACP (North East district) V V Chaudhary said.
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Police spoke to children in the locality for clues and came to know from two children that a young man had unsuccessfully tried to forcibly take them away. Based on their description, a sketch was prepared and 52 people were detained whose appearance matched with the sketch, the ACP said.
Of these 52 suspects, police zeroed in on two persons. Sadab, a resident of Jaiparkash Mohalla in Usmanpur, was picked up as his presence was established during the cross- checking of his location at the time of crime.
He confessed to his crime after sustained interrogation and said he along with his friend Mia, a resident of Sri Ram Colony, Khajuri Khas, had committed the crime, the ACP said.
Mia was also arrested on October 1 and he too confessed to his crime.
"Both the accused said they had planned to kidnap and rape a child on September 26. They tried to kidnap a seven-year-old girl but were unsuccessful, then they tried to kidnap a 10-year-old boy but failed again," Chaudhary said.
"Then Sadab searched for a younger victim. He kidnapped the three-year-old girl and took her to Mia. Both raped her and thereafter left her at a garbage dump," the ACP added.
Mia also confessed to his involvement in sexually assaulting two children -- a five-year-boy and a three-year-old girl -- from Khajuri Khas, police said, adding that he had then murdered the two victims later.

Muslims both unable to control their sexual lusts .. -Tyr

[red states rule]

It's great to see what great respect you guys have for women. I don't know how you can pillory our women for covering their modesty and saving themselves for marriage in the same breath :/

Yes jarhead we do respect our women

We do not behead them

We do not stone them to death

We do not beat them with a whip

All of which is done in your violent blood soaked third world Muslim countries

I would love to you and Abozo come to America and take a walk around say Times Square in NYC and try to impose your control over the women we have here in America. The reaction of trying to treat the women of American like third class citizens and bossing them around like you the women on your backward natons would be fun to watch. I would enjoy watching our women kick the shit out of both of you

[red states rule]

O' brother' , thats truly some kind of arrogance. Thinking that you speak for the others ! Thinking that you have the authority to apologise for an entire group of people! Say, what position do you hold in that group?
Apparently it must be extremely high for you to attempt to apologise on the behalf of others . How many of the other Republicans did you consult before tossing out this apology? A bit like obama isnt it, apologising without having the authority to do so ?-;)

Opps!! I hear the Offended Muslim Alarm going off again!!!!!


http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID14380/images/Miss_USA_2010_Rima_Fakih.jpg

[jafar00]

What if some DON'T WANT TO "cover their modesty and save themselves for marriage"? From a surface view, there are some Islamic values I can agree with. But what about free will?

Women at least have the choice without being attacked for it. My wife chose to cover up. MOST of her family also cover up. In fact her family (the Egyptian side) has a mix of those who do, those who don't and a couple that wear the Niqab. ALL BY CHOICE. It is a sign of faith.


Not you, and obviously not Muslims everywhere - but in many nations and many areas and many Muslim families - what happens to a woman if she refuses to wear the head covering and goes out in public? Do women have choices to wear these coverings in all Muslim countries? Or is it perhaps demanded of them in far too many places? We all already know the answer, but humor us a bit with some more of your denial and twisting!

If you are talking about Iran (Shia'ism) or Taliban places (wahhabism) you may have a point. In the vast majority of Islamic countries you find both covered and uncovered women.



Muslims both unable to control their sexual lusts .. -Tyr

Clutching at straws?

Right back at ya!

First result in a google search is....
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/2012/07/12/arrest-made-in-murder-of-6-year-old-sierra-newbold/index.html

Arrest Made in Murder, Rape of 6-Year-Old Sierra Newbold (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/2012/07/12/arrest-made-in-murder-of-6-year-old-sierra-newbold/index.html)After two weeks with no answers, a suspect has been charged (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/sierra-newbold-terry-lee-black_n_1663424.html) with the death of Utah girl Sierra Newbold, 6, whose body was found (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/article/autopsy-reveals-utah-girl-found-dead-in-canal-was-sexually-assaulted/index.html) floating face down in a canal on June 26. Thanks to the adept work of the West Jordan Police Department, Terry Lee Black, 41, was charged Tuesday. According to West Jordan Police Chief Douglas Diamond, Black was arrested on June 29 after robbing a Wells Fargo bank and trying to take off in a stolen car. When he was apprehended, police noticed that he lived close to the canal where Sierra’s body was found, and that debris on his pants matched the soot from a fire that had happened in the area. Later, said Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill, Sierra’s DNA was found on Black’s body. Black was charged with aggravated murder, child kidnapping and rape of a child Tuesday and remains in custody.

Christians unable to control their lust, both sexual and for blood.. - Jafar

[jimnyc]

If you are talking about Iran (Shia'ism) or Taliban places (wahhabism) you may have a point. In the vast majority of Islamic countries you find both covered and uncovered women.


Isn't Saudi Arabia one of the holiest places, with Mecca and all? Are women allowed to walk around with a pair of jeans, a t-shirt & no head covering at all, using their freedom to NOT wear such things?

[jimnyc]

Clutching at straws?

Right back at ya!

First result in a google search is....
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/2012/07/12/arrest-made-in-murder-of-6-year-old-sierra-newbold/index.html


Christians unable to control their lust, both sexual and for blood.. - Jafar

What a sick individual. But at least Christians don't hold him up as a prophet and make excuses for the sick behavior by animals that have sex with children or taking as many wives as they can for lust.

[red states rule]

Yes jarhead we do respect our women

We do not behead them

We do not stone them to death

We do not beat them with a whip

All of which is done in your violent blood soaked third world Muslim countries

I would love to you and Abozo come to America and take a walk around say Times Square in NYC and try to impose your control over the women we have here in America. The reaction of trying to treat the women of American like third class citizens and bossing them around like you the women on your backward natons would be fun to watch. I would enjoy watching our women kick the shit out of both of you

Camel got your tounge jafar?

[Dilloduck]

American women may have more rights but I don't see them being treated with more respect. Our sexual abuse, rapes, exploitation and domestic violence numbers are sky high. They are just now achieving equal pay for equal work. I really don't think America has much to brag about in our treatment of women.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

American women may have more rights but I don't see them being treated with more respect.



Really!??? Maybe you have been hanging out with the wrong kind of women!! :laugh:-Tyr
or you lack even basic knowledge of how Mohammadians treat their women--like livestock.

[red states rule]

American women may have more rights but I don't see them being treated with more respect. Our sexual abuse, rapes, exploitation and domestic violence numbers are sky high. They are just now achieving equal pay for equal work. I really don't think America has much to brag about in our treatment of women.

Well if you are going to talk about the women Bill Clinton and the Kennedy men have dated - yea you have a point

Speaking about equal pay for equal work - ask Nancy Pelosi how women are paid in her office. Last time, she ducked the question

[Dilloduck]

I see both of you avoided the rape issue. It's not a good reflection on how we treat women with respect, is it ?

[red states rule]

I see both of you avoided the rape issue. It's not a good reflection on how we treat women with respect, is it ?

Eh both Bill Clinton and Kennedy men can tell you all about raping women

Including how to do it and get away with it

[Dilloduck]

Rape--a political issue?---really ?

[red states rule]

Rape--a political issue?---really ?

Rape does not seem to mater to liberals. In fact it is a resume enhancement to many of them

[jimnyc]

American women may have more rights but I don't see them being treated with more respect. Our sexual abuse, rapes, exploitation and domestic violence numbers are sky high. They are just now achieving equal pay for equal work. I really don't think America has much to brag about in our treatment of women.

Treatment and freedom are 2 different things. Of course crime, which is what you speak of, should be worked on and prosecuted - but it's better all told than not having freedoms to choose who one is and how they can dress.

And America CAN brag - or are you telling me that "I" can't brag because a bunch of other assholes commit crimes? I don't see Islam as being any better, they may not have identical crime, but in return the women give up freedoms, and if they disobey in certain areas, they get lashed, caned, maimed, stoned...

[red states rule]

http://islamicplaces.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/south-indian-actress-tabu.jpg?w=408&h=600Ok guys - enjoy

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Treatment and freedom are 2 different things. Of course crime, which is what you speak of, should be worked on and prosecuted - but it's better all told than not having freedoms to choose who one is and how they can dress.

And America CAN brag - or are you telling me that "I" can't brag because a bunch of other assholes commit crimes? I don't see Islam as being any better, they may not have identical crime, but in return the women give up freedoms, and if they disobey in certain areas, they get lashed, caned, maimed, stoned...

Dillo would rather brag about women being forced to be covered from head to toe in the oppressive heat in those regions (just more torture). While he cites sex crime statistics here in the USA as a lack of respect for women here.
AS IF SEX CRIMES ARE TO BE USED TO JUDGE SUCH RESPECT!! Crimes are not a measure to judge respect given by those not engaging in criminal activities against women. I think he was grasping at anything on this one!!--:laugh:--Tyr

[red states rule]

Riddle me this:

What can Saudi Arabia do to raise the average IQ in the country?

Allow Jews to come in.

[Dilloduck]

Dillo would rather brag about women being forced to be covered from head to toe in the oppressive heat in those regions (just more torture). While he cites sex crime statistics here in the USA as a lack of respect for women here.
AS IF SEX CRIMES ARE TO BE USED TO JUDGE SUCH RESPECT!! Crimes are not a measure to judge respect given by those not engaging in criminal activities against women. I think he was grasping at anything on this one!!--:laugh:--Tyr

Where did I brag about women being forced to do anything? I think you're one who stretches. There is no war with Islam.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Where did I brag about women being forced to do anything? I think you're one who stretches. There is no war with Islam.



Sure there is , they declared war on us long ago, we simply refuse to admit it, you refuse to admit it. That denial hasnt stopped the killing . -Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Sure there is , they declared war on us long ago, we simply refuse to admit it, you refuse to admit it. That denial hasnt stopped the killing . -Tyr

Killing never stops. Who declared war on the US ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Killing never stops. Who declared war on the US ?

The Jihad militant arm of Islam of course. I suggest that it would help you to do a good study of Islam . That way you would not have to ask questions of such well known things about Islam.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

The Jihad militant arm of Islam of course. I suggest that it would help you to do a good study of Islam . That way you would not have to ask questions of such well known things about Islam.-Tyr

Anyone can google. Quit being evasive. Who in "the militant arm of Islam" ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Anyone can google. Quit being evasive. Who in "the militant arm of Islam" ?

haha, anyone can google--except-- you!!! Right?
Give it a shot, I have no plans to spoonfeed you like this always. Now is a good time to start letting you do your own research methinks.-;)--Tyr

[jafar00]

Dillo would rather brag about women being forced to be covered from head to toe in the oppressive heat in those regions (just more torture). While he cites sex crime statistics here in the USA as a lack of respect for women here.
AS IF SEX CRIMES ARE TO BE USED TO JUDGE SUCH RESPECT!! Crimes are not a measure to judge respect given by those not engaging in criminal activities against women. I think he was grasping at anything on this one!!--:laugh:--Tyr

It's actually cooler to cover up and keep direct sunlight off you.


haha, anyone can google--except-- you!!! Right?
Give it a shot, I have no plans to spoonfeed you like this always. Now is a good time to start letting you do your own research methinks.-;)--Tyr

It's a valid question. Who declared war on you exactly?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It's a valid question. Who declared war on you exactly?



Try reading post number 96. I "splained" it there for the slow learners among us..-;)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-instructor-urged-total-war-with-islam-7737807.html

A red-faced Pentagon has conceded that an instructor at its Joint Forces College in Virginia for military officers was until recently teaching a course advocating “total war” with Islam that could require obliterating the holy cities of Mecca and Medina without concern for civilian deaths.
The material in the course, which officers could elect to take but was not obligatory, flew in the face of repeated assertions by the Obama administration that the war on terrorism is just that and should under no circumstances be read as an assault on a religion observed by 1.4 billion people around the world.
Details of the course were obtained by a blog on Wired.com, drawn from a presentation given by the teacher, Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley, in July last year. He suggested that destroying Islamic holy sites would follow the precedents of the nuclear strike by the allies on Hiroshima in World War II and the firebombing of Dresden. His course was called ‘Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism’.
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Smart man, of course he will be reprimanded for daring to speak the truth in military terms..-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-instructor-urged-total-war-with-islam-7737807.html

A red-faced Pentagon has conceded that an instructor at its Joint Forces College in Virginia for military officers was until recently teaching a course advocating “total war” with Islam that could require obliterating the holy cities of Mecca and Medina without concern for civilian deaths.
The material in the course, which officers could elect to take but was not obligatory, flew in the face of repeated assertions by the Obama administration that the war on terrorism is just that and should under no circumstances be read as an assault on a religion observed by 1.4 billion people around the world.
Details of the course were obtained by a blog on Wired.com, drawn from a presentation given by the teacher, Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley, in July last year. He suggested that destroying Islamic holy sites would follow the precedents of the nuclear strike by the allies on Hiroshima in World War II and the firebombing of Dresden. His course was called ‘Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism’.
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Smart man, of course he will be reprimanded for daring to speak the truth in military terms..-Tyr


A rogue idiot-----

[Dilloduck]

Try reading post number 96. I "splained" it there for the slow learners among us..-;)

no---your responded with your usual vague BS. Who declared war ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

no---your responded with your usual vague BS. Who declared war ?
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Not a damn thing vague about Jihad and the tens of thousands innocent people including innocent women and children murdered all over the globe by muslim murderers claiming to do Allah's will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you think that vague you need serious help amigo!-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

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Not a damn thing vague about Jihad and the tens of thousands innocent people including innocent women and children murdered all over the globe by muslim murderers claiming to do Allah's will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you think that vague you need serious help amigo!-Tyr



Didn't think you knew. Google --maybe you can find it. The US isn't at war with any religion.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Didn't think you knew. Google --maybe you can find it. The US isn't at war with any religion.



http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png
Originally Posted by Dilloduck http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=582934#post582934)
Killing never stops. Who declared war on the US ?









The Jihad militant arm of Islam of course. I suggest that it would help you to do a good study of Islam . That way you would not have to ask questions of such well known things about Islam.-Tyr



And I never said , U.S.A DECLARED WAR ON ISLAM ,DID I ?
I stated that Islam declared war on USA. Then told you what part of Islam did that , the Jihad militant arm.
Do try to get a clue..-Tyr

[red states rule]

[INDENT]
http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png



And I never said , U.S.A DECLARED WAR ON ISLAM ,DID I ?
I stated that Islam declared war on USA. Then told you what part of Islam did that , the Jihad militant arm.
Do try to get a clue..-Tyr


Seems to me Dillo has become our version of Neville Chamberlain. Just make nice with the terroists and compromise with them and we will have "peace in our time"

History shows Chamberlain help cause the deaths of 50 million people by apeasing Hitler

Yet people like Dillo fail to learn ffrom history

[red states rule]

It's actually cooler to cover up and keep direct sunlight off you.



It's a valid question. Who declared war on you exactly?


http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Terrorists-Win-Coin-Toss-166.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[INDENT]
http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png



And I never said , U.S.A DECLARED WAR ON ISLAM ,DID I ?
I stated that Islam declared war on USA. Then told you what part of Islam did that , the Jihad militant arm.
Do try to get a clue..-Tyr


Here is a bit of history to help you ..They declared war on us because they decided we were at war with them. They made this decision because our culture is in direct opposition to their "slavery" in religion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_Islam
War against Islam, War on Islam or Attack on Islam, is a coined term (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Neologism) to describe a perceived campaign to harm, weaken or even annihilate the societal system of Islam (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Islam), using military (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Military), economic (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Economic), social (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Social) and cultural (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Cultural) means. The campaign is alleged to be waged by non-Muslims and false Muslims.
The phrase or similar phrases have been used by Muslims such as Ayatollah Khomeini (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Ayatollah_Khomeini)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], Sayyid Qutb (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], Osama bin Laden (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], the imam Anwar al-Awlaki (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] and the organization Islamophobia Watch (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Islamophobia_Watch).[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
The alleged perpetrators of the war include Western (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Western_world) powers (especially the United States (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/United_States)), pro-Western Muslim states, and non-Western, non-Muslim states such as Serbia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Serbia) (Genocide in Bosnia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide)), Russia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Russia) (for its actions in Chechnya (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Chechnya) and the Caucasus (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Caucasus) in general),[1] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-0)[2] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-1)[3] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-2)[4] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-3) and India (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/India) (for the conflict in Kashmir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Kashmir_conflict)).[5] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-4)

[red states rule]

Here is a bit of history to help you ..They declared war on us because they decided we were at war with them. They made this decision because our culture is in direct opposition to their "slavery" in religion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_Islam
War against Islam, War on Islam or Attack on Islam, is a coined term (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Neologism) to describe a perceived campaign to harm, weaken or even annihilate the societal system of Islam (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Islam), using military (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Military), economic (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Economic), social (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Social) and cultural (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Cultural) means. The campaign is alleged to be waged by non-Muslims and false Muslims.
The phrase or similar phrases have been used by Muslims such as Ayatollah Khomeini (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Ayatollah_Khomeini)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], Sayyid Qutb (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], Osama bin Laden (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], the imam Anwar al-Awlaki (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] and the organization Islamophobia Watch (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Islamophobia_Watch).[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
The alleged perpetrators of the war include Western (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Western_world) powers (especially the United States (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/United_States)), pro-Western Muslim states, and non-Western, non-Muslim states such as Serbia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Serbia) (Genocide in Bosnia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide)), Russia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Russia) (for its actions in Chechnya (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Chechnya) and the Caucasus (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Caucasus) in general),[1] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-0)[2] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-1)[3] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-2)[4] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-3) and India (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/India) (for the conflict in Kashmir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Kashmir_conflict)).[5] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-4)

With all due respect - trying to reason with Dillo is like running head first into a wall

It hurts like hell and accomplishes nothing

[Dilloduck]

Here is a bit of history to help you ..They declared war on us because they decided we were at war with them. They made this decision because our culture is in direct opposition to their "slavery" in religion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_Islam
War against Islam, War on Islam or Attack on Islam, is a coined term (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Neologism) to describe a perceived campaign to harm, weaken or even annihilate the societal system of Islam (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Islam), using military (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Military), economic (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Economic), social (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Social) and cultural (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Cultural) means. The campaign is alleged to be waged by non-Muslims and false Muslims.
The phrase or similar phrases have been used by Muslims such as Ayatollah Khomeini (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Ayatollah_Khomeini)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], Sayyid Qutb (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], Osama bin Laden (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], the imam Anwar al-Awlaki (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki)[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] and the organization Islamophobia Watch (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Islamophobia_Watch).[citation needed (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
The alleged perpetrators of the war include Western (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Western_world) powers (especially the United States (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/United_States)), pro-Western Muslim states, and non-Western, non-Muslim states such as Serbia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Serbia) (Genocide in Bosnia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide)), Russia (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Russia) (for its actions in Chechnya (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Chechnya) and the Caucasus (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Caucasus) in general),[1] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-0)[2] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-1)[3] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-2)[4] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-3) and India (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/India) (for the conflict in Kashmir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Kashmir_conflict)).[5] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/%20cite_note-4)

Alleged alleged alleged--you're funny, dude.
I think you need to give this Islamic war conspiracy a rest.

[Dilloduck]

Seems to me Dillo has become our version of Neville Chamberlain. Just make nice with the terroists and compromise with them and we will have "peace in our time"

History shows Chamberlain help cause the deaths of 50 million people by apeasing Hitler

Yet people like Dillo fail to learn ffrom history

If you had any evidence that I supported any kind of violence you might have a point---but alas--
Do you really think hating Islam will have any effect on it other than to piss them off ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Alleged alleged alleged--you're funny, dude.
I think you need to give this Islamic war conspiracy a rest.

Apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension dude. Those doing the alleging are the muslims! The ones that declared Jihad and declared war on us. Now you may call that allegation funny ,but we have a damn lot of innocent dead people that proves there is not a damn thing funny about it!-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

War against Islam, War on Islam or Attack on Islam, is a coined term (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Neologism) to describe a perceived campaign to harm, weaken or even annihilate the societal system of Islam (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Islam), using military (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Military), economic (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Economic), social (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Social) and cultural (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Cultural) means. The campaign is alleged to be waged by non-Muslims and false Muslims.

[red states rule]

If you had any evidence that I supported any kind of violence you might have a point---but alas--
Do you really think hating Islam will have any effect on it other than to piss them off ?


Chambeline did not "support" the violence and murder of Jews and Hitler's political opponents. But the fact they appeased him allowed to continue the murders

In your case, your desire to appease the terrorists, and to decry America's response to acts of terror has the same effect as Chamberlin's lame belief Hiter would honor a piece of paper he signed

And I am really worried about pissing off the terrorists. What a lame ass statement for you to post Dillo

[tailfins]

Chambeline did not "support" the violence and murder of Jews and Hitler's political opponents. But the fact they appeased him allowed to continue the murders

In your case, your desire to appease the terrorists, and to decry America's response to acts of terror has the same effect as Chamberlin's lame belief Hiter would honor a piece of paper he signed

And I am really worried about pissing off the terrorists. What a lame ass statement for you to post Dillo

I'm going to chime in so no one misunderstands my position. If the policies against some or even a majority of Muslims have a current military basis, I'm all for it. Prejudice against Muslims that could lead to internment camps is just not a good way to go.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If you had any evidence that I supported any kind of violence you might have a point---but alas--
Do you really think hating Islam will have any effect on it other than to piss them off ?

They danced in the streets when over 3,000 innocent Americans were murdered by Islamists and you have the audacity to worry about pissing them off! Damn dude thats the least of my worries! They pissed me off and that should worry them. Funny how you give no advice or commentary about what they should WORRY ABOUT!!
How about they should worry about pissing us off!!!! -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm going to chime in so no one misunderstands my position. If the policies against some or even a majority of Muslims have a current military basis, I'm all for it. Prejudice against Muslims that could lead to internment camps is just not a good way to go.

So far at this forum you have stated that Republicans should court their vote and that I should stop being mean to them. What else can you add to the list of terrible things that I do here? Your position of appeasing is not misunderstood, your arrogance in apologising to Jafar is not misunderstood, neither is your little character attacking campaign against me.
Why dont you be a man and defend against all these supposed lies about them I've posted. Instead you attack me personally and then pretend to take the high road. -Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Chambeline did not "support" the violence and murder of Jews and Hitler's political opponents. But the fact they appeased him allowed to continue the murders

In your case, your desire to appease the terrorists, and to decry America's response to acts of terror has the same effect as Chamberlin's lame belief Hiter would honor a piece of paper he signed

And I am really worried about pissing off the terrorists. What a lame ass statement for you to post Dillo

Chamberlain couldn't haver done a thing to stop Hitler from doing what he intended. Is anyone foolish enough to think there was a chance in hell of intimidating or threatening Hitler ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Chamberlain couldn't haver done a thing to stop Hitler from doing what he intended. Is anyone foolish enough to think there was a chance in hell of intimidating or threatening Hitler ?

Thats complete bull. Chamberlain stopped the start of forceful actions against Hitler and Germany by his idiotcy. Its always better to start sooner when opposing such evil, giving it less time to be strengthened and exspanded. It is now well known from records that Hitler and the Germans were greatly emboldened by the weak and lame response that Chamberlain stupidly championed! After Churchill arrived on the scene they knew what a damn tough fight they were going to get!
And by God the Brits showed them what --DEFIANCE-- really means!
Which is exactly how America should now respond to the muslim agenda of destroying Western Civilization.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Thats complete bull. Chamberlain stopped the start of forceful actions against Hitler and Germany by his idiotcy. Its always better to start sooner when opposing such evil, giving it less time to be strengthened and exspanded. It is now well known from records that Hitler and the Germans were greatly emboldened by the weak and lame response that Chamberlain stupidly championed! After Churchill arrived on the scene they knew what a damn tough fight they were going to get!
And by God the Brits showed them what --DEFIANCE-- really means!
Which is exactly how America should now respond to the muslim agenda of destroying Western Civilization.-Tyr



Horseshit----"Forceful action" got it's ass kicked out of Europe at Dunkirk. The allies had nothing to stop Hitler with.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Horseshit----"Forceful action" got it's ass kicked out of Europe at Dunkirk. The allies had nothing to stop Hitler with.

Thats horseshat man. Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech was September 30th 1938, Dunkirk was late May 27 TO June 4th 1940! Thats two whole years later. That extra time of preparing could have been a huge factor, and possibly avoided having to regain a foothold on Europe by conducting the D-day invasion. Quite possibly with the extra prep time the Brits could have stayed on European soil long enough for America to join in on the fighting. We'll never know because a damn appeaser(Chamberlain) gave extra time for the Germans to gain territory and strength. Churchill didnt get to be PM UNTIL MAY 1940, TWO YEARS AFTER CHAMBERLAIN'S "PEACE IN OUR TIME" BULLSHIT....-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Thats horseshat man. Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech was September 30th 1938, Dunkirk was late May 27 TO June 4th 1940! Thats two whole years later. That extra time of preparing could have been a huge factor, and possibly avoided having to regain a foothold on Europe by conducting the D-day invasion. Quite possibly with the extra prep time the Brits could have stayed on European soil long enough for America to join in on the fighting. We'll never know because a damn appeaser(Chamberlain) gave extra time for the Germans to gain territory and strength. Churchill didnt get to be PM UNTIL MAY 1940, TWO YEARS AFTER CHAMBERLAIN'S "PEACE IN OUR TIME" BULLSHIT....-Tyr

GB declared war in 39. They and the French got their asses kicked. You think they would have won a year earlier ? :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

GB declared war in 39. They and the French got their asses kicked. You think they would have won a year earlier ? :laugh:

Thats not the point genius. They could have started preparing militarily earlier and also not allowed Hitler to gain quite as much territory and all the resources that those territories brought .

[Dilloduck]

Thats not the point genius. They could have started preparing militarily earlier and also not allowed Hitler to gain quite as much territory and all the resources that those territories brought .

They were ALREADY re arming under Chamberlain. It never stopped. They were drafting an army. The BEF got their asses kicked along with the French because they had nothing to stop the Germans with. Hitler's army put them to shame. The Maginot line was a joke.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

They were ALREADY re arming under Chamberlain. It never stopped. They were drafting an army. The BEF got their asses kicked along with the French because they had nothing to stop the Germans with. Hitler's army put them to shame. The Maginot line was a joke.

Screw the Maginot Line, Im not referencing it in any way. The speed the Germans decided to move at was a direct result of encountering such weak opposition from the first nations they conquered and the slow aggressive response from France and even more so because England stayed out of the war longer. Serious changes did not occur under Chamberlain which is the point. Not until Churchill got involved in 1940 did it hit high gear and from sept 30th 1938 to 1940 was two years the first part of which Chamberlain kept from being properly used by his lame ass appeasing trash. The Brits got kicked off European soil but then later when they had Churchill to lead them the world saw how heroic and determined they and he were ! Chamberlain was stupid and followed the appeasement path first which was a great error. History proves that to be true!. That's the point.
That's also the point about this lame ass attempting to appease the muslims, it gives them more time to strengthen and more time to unite(ARAB SPRING)..-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Screw the Maginot Line, Im not referencing it in any way. The speed the Germans decided to move at was a direct result of encountering such weak opposition from the first nations they conquered and the slow aggressive response from France and even more so because England stayed out of the war longer. Serious changes did not occur under Chamberlain which is the point. Not until Churchill got involved in 1940 did it hit high gear and from sept 30th 1938 to 1940 was two years the first part of which Chamberlain kept from being properly used by his lame ass appeasing trash. The Brits got kicked off European soil but then later when they had Churchill to lead them the world saw how heroic and determined they and he were ! Chamberlain was stupid and followed the appeasement path first which was a great error. History proves that to be true!. That's the point.
That's also the point about this lame ass attempting to appease the muslims, it gives them more time to strengthen and more time to unite(ARAB SPRING)..-Tyr

More time to unite ? They are KILLING EACH OTHER, FOOOOOOOOOOOOOL !

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

More time to unite ? They are KILLING EACH OTHER, FOOOOOOOOOOOOOL !

Hey genius, the hardliners are killing those not up on the program enough and willing to be as extreme as they are.. Get a damn clue for a change .. This spoonfeeding you is getting rather old ..-Tyr

[red states rule]

Chamberlain couldn't haver done a thing to stop Hitler from doing what he intended. Is anyone foolish enough to think there was a chance in hell of intimidating or threatening Hitler ?

Yes they could have. Here is ONE example: There were a number of Generals who were reeady to take out Hitler, but when Chamberlain rolled over and GAVE Hitler what he wanted the plan fell apart

BUt once again you show your solution to standing up to evil

Lay down and whimper softly while defedning rapists and possibly a traitor

[red states rule]

Dillo, this one is for you


http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr100912dAPR20121008114607.jpg

[Dilloduck]

Yes they could have. Here is ONE example: There were a number of Generals who were reeady to take out Hitler, but when Chamberlain rolled over and GAVE Hitler what he wanted the plan fell apart

BUt once again you show your solution to standing up to evil

Lay down and whimper softly while defedning rapists and possibly a traitor

It's not me who offers an ALLEGED rapists any rights--it's the Constitution.

[Dilloduck]

Hey genius, the hardliners are killing those not up on the program enough and willing to be as extreme as they are.. Get a damn clue for a change .. This spoonfeeding you is getting rather old ..-Tyr

Interesting---and where is this killing of moderates occuring en masse ?

[Drummond]

Screw the Maginot Line, Im not referencing it in any way. The speed the Germans decided to move at was a direct result of encountering such weak opposition from the first nations they conquered and the slow aggressive response from France and even more so because England stayed out of the war longer. Serious changes did not occur under Chamberlain which is the point. Not until Churchill got involved in 1940 did it hit high gear and from sept 30th 1938 to 1940 was two years the first part of which Chamberlain kept from being properly used by his lame ass appeasing trash. The Brits got kicked off European soil but then later when they had Churchill to lead them the world saw how heroic and determined they and he were ! Chamberlain was stupid and followed the appeasement path first which was a great error. History proves that to be true!. That's the point.
That's also the point about this lame ass attempting to appease the muslims, it gives them more time to strengthen and more time to unite(ARAB SPRING)..-Tyr

Exactly right !

Chamberlain was an appeaser, through-and-through. Churchill had the right spirit all along, and it was only under his leadership that our efforts against Germany, the aggressor, really started to pay off. Until that time, thanks to Chamberlain, our leadership was mired in 'regret' for the failure of useless peace overtures.

See ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/3/newsid_3493000/3493279.stm


Anthony Eden will take over as Dominions Secretary with special access to the War Cabinet. Mr Eden resigned from the post of Secretary of Foreign Affairs last year because he disagreed with the policy of appeasement. The National Service (Armed Forces) Act has been passed making all men between 18 and 41 liable for conscription. The armed forces have already been mobilized for war and in July the first Territorial Army conscripts were called up.

Latest reports from Poland say the Germans have bombed a number of towns and cities, some with little or no strategic importance. About 1,500 are reported to have been killed or injured in the attacks on Friday and Saturday.

In his broadcast to the nation, Mr Chamberlain spoke of his sadness that "the long struggle to win peace" had failed.

He continued: "I cannot believe that there is anything more or anything different that I could have done and that would have been more successful."

Yesterday there was anger in the House of Commons over the Government's apparent delay in taking action against Germany.

Labour's deputy leader Arthur Greenwood had accused the Prime Minister of vacillating when "Britain and all that Britain stands for are in peril".

Today's declaration of war was received with rousing cheers. As Mr Chamberlain informed the House Britain could not take part in a five-power conference proposed by Italy while Poland was being invaded.

Yes - an appeaser, through-and-through. Appeasement was useless. It led to weakness, and an emboldening of a thoroughly aggressive enemy.

So it also is with overtures which amount to an appeasement of Islamic aggression. History teaches us that acts of appeasement only benefit one's enemies.

[Drummond]

Killing never stops. Who declared war on the US ?

Ah, I see what you're trying to say.

In Dilloduck World ... 9/11 was all about Buddhists making peace overtures to America ? Yes ?

Of course, in the world the rest of us inhabit ... ISLAMISTS went to WAR against America, on that day. What happened to the Twin Towers is just a teensy bit of a giveaway in that regard !

But never mind us, Dilloduck. Cocoon yourself in your own private world, seeing what you prefer to see.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Exactly right !

Chamberlain was an appeaser, through-and-through. Churchill had the right spirit all along, and it was only under his leadership that our efforts against Germany, the aggressor, really started to pay off. Until that time, thanks to Chamberlain, our leadership was mired in 'regret' for the failure of useless peace overtures.

See ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/3/newsid_3493000/3493279.stm



Yes - an appeaser, through-and-through. Appeasement was useless. It led to weakness, and an emboldening of a thoroughly aggressive enemy.

So it also is with overtures which amount to an appeasement of Islamic aggression. History teaches us that acts of appeasement only benefit one's enemies.

A prime example of how appeasement most often only encourages more of the actions that brought the appeasement to start with. History teaches this over and over and thats one reason why libs either subvert history(by rewriting it) or try to limit people's studying of history. They know that history clearly and repeatedly warns against engaging in the actions that they so OFTEN promote! -Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Ah, I see what you're trying to say.

In Dilloduck World ... 9/11 was all about Buddhists making peace overtures to America ? Yes ?

Of course, in the world the rest of us inhabit ... ISLAMISTS went to WAR against America, on that day. What happened to the Twin Towers is just a teensy bit of a giveaway in that regard !

But never mind us, Dilloduck. Cocoon yourself in your own private world, seeing what you prefer to see.


Islamism
Islamism is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is "as much a political ideology as a religion". Islamism is a controversial term, and definitions of it sometimes vary. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism)

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[Drummond]

Islamism
Islamism is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is "as much a political ideology as a religion". Islamism is a controversial term, and definitions of it sometimes vary. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism).

If its definitions vary, Dilloduck, then how come its particular brand of barbarism KEEPS surfacing, time and again, traceable back to its roots from several centuries ago ??

Changes in presentation are skin deep only, in my opinion. Advances made over the centuries in attitudes and sensibilities just don't penetrate the core of Islam.

[red states rule]

Yes they could have. Here is ONE example: There were a number of Generals who were reeady to take out Hitler, but when Chamberlain rolled over and GAVE Hitler what he wanted the plan fell apart

BUt once again you show your solution to standing up to evil

Lay down and whimper softly while defedning rapists and possibly a traitor


Looks like Dillo did not like his history lesson on Hitler and ignored his new buddy publishing classified docs.

Dillo, please go back and study this period in Germany and LEARN from history before you repeat it

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If its definitions vary, Dilloduck, then how come its particular brand of barbarism KEEPS surfacing, time and again, traceable back to its roots from several centuries ago ??

Changes in presentation are skin deep only, in my opinion. Advances made over the centuries in attitudes and sensibilities just don't penetrate the core of Islam.

That is because Islam's core is that of hatred of all that is not Islam. As long as Islam survives without a reformation this will be the case and its survived over 1400 years without one. The strict obedience instilled into its followers was created in order to stifle any reformation of the religion. That strict obedience was necessary to keep mohammad in place as its leader and only after all the commands to destroy other non-muslims were given did Islam start to spread! Spreading by destroying the opposition and putting to the sword all that did not convert! Millions died(vanished from earth), but many millions more converted and after that their kids were born into Islam and remained muslim all their lives. A neat little formula(killing most opposition-enslaving others) for creating and maintaining an army, which was exactly what Islam was then during its rise to power and great growth and what it aspires to yet again. Nobody that studies Islam will honesty declare that its not out to convert the entire world to Islam by use of lethal force being its primary and much preffered tool !! The world now suffers many tens of thousands deaths yearly because of its violence that is sanctioned by commands supposedly given by Allah. Yet those commands were issued from mohammad to keep and grow his army. The army he used to rape, rob and pillage helpless victims with . Mohammad made himself extremely rich by doing so and got to be a god on earth as well. Hell, they worship him as a god now! Anybody think not , go over to a muslim nation and start cursing mohammad and see how quickly you get killed. Then go anywhere else in the world and curse any other historic figure and watch people merely look at you like you are daft, but nobody will kill you.
I mean , even if somebody curses Robert E. Lee to my face the worse I may do is slap them and only that on a bad day when Im pissed already!--;)--Tyr

[logroller]

Yes jarhead we do respect our women


Fact #1: 18.3 % of women in the United States have survived a completed or attempted rape. Of these, 12.3% were younger than age 12 when they were first raped, and 29.9% were between the ages of 11 and 17. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)
Fact #2: 22 million women in the United States have been raped in their lifetime. 63.84% of women who reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked since age 18 were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, boyfriend, or date. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)
Fact #3: Less than half of domestic violence incidents are reported to police. African-American women are more likely than others to report their victimization to police Lawrence A. Greenfeld et al. (1998). (Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends. Bureau of Justice Statistics Factbook. Washington DC: U.S. Department of Justice. NCJ #167237. Available from National Criminal Justice Reference Service.)
Fact #4: The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.
Fact #5: Almost one-third of female homicide victims are killed by an intimate partner. (FBI, Uniform Crime Reports 2001)
Fact #6: The National College Women Sexual Victimization Study estimated that between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 college women experience completed or attempted rape during their college years (Fisher 2000).
Fact #7: Men perpetrate the majority of violent acts against women (DeLahunta 1997).
Fact #8: Every two minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.(Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) calculation based on 2000 National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice)
Fact #9: One out of every five American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. (The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)
Fact #10: Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free. (Probability statistics based on US Department of Justice Statistics)

source: http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Fact #1: 18.3 % of women in the United States have survived a completed or attempted rape. Of these, 12.3% were younger than age 12 when they were first raped, and 29.9% were between the ages of 11 and 17. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)
Fact #2: 22 million women in the United States have been raped in their lifetime. 63.84% of women who reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked since age 18 were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, boyfriend, or date. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)
Fact #3: Less than half of domestic violence incidents are reported to police. African-American women are more likely than others to report their victimization to police Lawrence A. Greenfeld et al. (1998). (Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends. Bureau of Justice Statistics Factbook. Washington DC: U.S. Department of Justice. NCJ #167237. Available from National Criminal Justice Reference Service.)
Fact #4: The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.
Fact #5: Almost one-third of female homicide victims are killed by an intimate partner. (FBI, Uniform Crime Reports 2001)
Fact #6: The National College Women Sexual Victimization Study estimated that between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 college women experience completed or attempted rape during their college years (Fisher 2000).
Fact #7: Men perpetrate the majority of violent acts against women (DeLahunta 1997).
Fact #8: Every two minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.(Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) calculation based on 2000 National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice)
Fact #9: One out of every five American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. (The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)
Fact #10: Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free. (Probability statistics based on US Department of Justice Statistics)

source: http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html




While you are up high on that soapbox attempting to prove how bad we are to our women by citing rape statistics and thus attempt to defend Islam by so doing consider this. In Islam when raped the women are punished(rather than the rapist) ,quite often by being stoned to death. Very rarely is ever the man punished or ever even brought to be judged in any manner. This insane policy surely keeps most women from ever bringing charges ! Who would , when knowing that bringing charges could get you killed instead of the rapist!
Your point is ffed up as usual and your attempts to defend Islam are too.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

That is because Islam's core is that of hatred of all that is not Islam.

Link please

[Dilloduck]

If its definitions vary, Dilloduck, then how come its particular brand of barbarism KEEPS surfacing, time and again, traceable back to its roots from several centuries ago ??

Changes in presentation are skin deep only, in my opinion. Advances made over the centuries in attitudes and sensibilities just don't penetrate the core of Islam.

Violence and barbarism are traits of humans--not just Muslims. Check out what MS-13 has been up to.

[red states rule]

Violence and barbarism are traits of humans--not just Muslims. Check out what MS-13 has been up to.

Dillo, you have to be a loyal listener to liberal talker Bill Press





And they wonder why we sometimes question whether they love America.

On his liberal radio show yesterday, Bill Press was disparaging Christians as hypocrites when he expanded his criticism to Americans as a whole (audio) (http://www.debatepolicy.com/sites/default/files/2012/Press%20on%20Americans%20as%20warlike%20oct%2010%2 012.mp3) --

PRESS: If 80 percent of Americans are such godly people, if we as a nation are one nation under God, why are we still practicing the death penalty, hmm? Why are we still building nuclear weapons just to, for massive kills of innocent people around the world? Why are we so gung ho on war? We're in two wars now and people are talking about starting a third one. You know, we're the most warlike people, I think, on the planet when you look at the wars that we started, the only people to have dropped the nuclear bomb. Why do we tolerate discrimination in this country to such an extent? Discrimination still against people of color, discrimination against gays and lesbians, discrimination against women, discrimination against Muslims, discrimination against Arabs, all of which we tolerate and a lot of it which goes on in the name of God!

Ah, the sensitive liberal male, brimming with empathy, mouthing lines he learned in college to bed co-eds and still spouting the same drivel several decades later.

Two of Press's claims stand out -- Americans as "the most warlike people" in the world and "the only people to have dropped the nuclear bomb," as if this were inherently shameful.

True, the United States is the only nation to have used nuclear weapons in warfare, albeit to bring an abrupt end to the bloodiest, most destructive conflict in history, one started, not incidentally, by the enemies we fought.

But if the second part of Press's claim is true, the "most warlike people" part of it, wouldn't logic dictate that the United States would have used nuclear weapons since then?

Quite the contrary. Even when the United States had a monopoly on nuclear weaponry for four years after the end of World War II, we did not use them to establish global hegemony or push the Soviets out of Eastern Europe.

Even while fighting wars in Korea and Vietnam, at a cost of tens of thousands of American lives, nuclear weapons were never used, nor were they deployed in two wars against Iraq.

Even when Osama bin Laden was thought holed up in sparsely populated Tora Bora, George W. Bush did not resort to using nuclear weapons that surely would have eradicated more than a few jihadists in the mountains of Afghanistan.

As usual when liberals criticize the atomic bombings of Japan, no mention is made of the president who gave the order -- Harry Truman, a machine Democrat out of Missouri and New Deal true believer if ever there was one.

The A-bomb dropped on Hiroshima was delivered to the island of Tinian by the USS Indianapolis, which was sunk by a Japanese submarine several days later. Nearly 900 men perished, from the sinking itself, shark attacks and exposure. It remains to this day the worst loss of life at sea for the Navy in its history. The Indianapolis's death toll is exceeded by only one other American warship -- the battleship Arizona, destroyed within minutes of the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor.

Liberals who assail our use of nuclear weapons also invariably neglect to mention that thousands of civilians were dying every month as a result of Japanese occupation of much of Asia. The well-documented barbarity of the Japanese toward non-combatants was exceeded only by that of their Axis ally, the Nazis.

In her devastating 2010 best-seller, "Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption," Laura Hillenbrand describes the cruel ordeals suffered by Louis Zamperini, an elite athlete who ran in the Berlin Olympics, became an airman when he was drafted before Pearl Harbor, and was taken captive after his B-24 bomber crashed in the Pacific during a search flight.



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/10/11/americans-are-most-warlike-people-world-bill-press-sneers#ixzz2961qGRtH

[red states rule]

While you are up high on that soapbox attempting to prove how bad we are to our women by citing rape statistics and thus attempt to defend Islam by so doing consider this. In Islam when raped the women are punished(rather than the rapist) ,quite often by being stoned to death. Very rarely is ever the man punished or ever even brought to be judged in any manner. This insane policy surely keeps most women from ever bringing charges ! Who would , when knowing that bringing charges could get you killed instead of the rapist!
Your point is ffed up as usual and your attempts to defend Islam are too.-Tyr

I would like to see LR go to the Middle East and ask women if they would like to drive a car, be able to dress the way the would like to, go out with a male friend and not be MURDERED for it, listen to some rock and roll on the rado, or watch any TV show they would like to

Next LR will say women have it much better in the Middle East then women have it in the US

[logroller]

I would like to see LR go to the Middle East and ask women if they would like to drive a car, be able to dress the way the would like to, go out with a male friend and not be MURDERED for it, listen to some rock and roll on the rado, or watch any TV show they would like to

Next LR will say women have it much better in the Middle East then women have it in the US

Why would I go there when I've Punxsutawney Phil, the prognosticator of prognosticators, right here.

[logroller]

While you are up high on that soapbox attempting to prove how bad we are to our women by citing rape statistics and thus attempt to defend Islam by so doing consider this. In Islam when raped the women are punished(rather than the rapist) ,quite often by being stoned to death. Very rarely is ever the man punished or ever even brought to be judged in any manner. This insane policy surely keeps most women from ever bringing charges ! Who would , when knowing that bringing charges could get you killed instead of the rapist!
Your point is ffed up as usual and your attempts to defend Islam are too.-Tyr
Thats a disgusting practice, i agree. The "kitchen fires" crap in india over dowry is a close second in the WTF category. Completely aside from that, Only a third of us rapes are reported, and only a quarter of those reported result in prison time. Thats a pretty shitty statistic. My question is why do you think we put so much focus on islamic rape issues when we have our own?

[Dilloduck]

Dillo, you have to be a loyal listener to liberal talker Bill Press

No---I really don't. I hate the guy. Have for years.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thats a disgusting practice, i agree. The "kitchen fires" crap in india over dowry is a close second in the WTF category. Completely aside from that, Only a third of us rapes are reported, and only a quarter of those reported result in prison time. Thats a pretty shitty statistic. My question is why do you think we put so much focus on islamic rape issues when we have our own?

Could be because they have laws and religious beliefs that validate murdering the victim instead of executing the rapist! Such extreme and violent upside down thinking is bound to bring great attention to its violent insanity!-TYR

[red states rule]

Why would I go there when I've Punxsutawney Phil, the prognosticator of prognosticators, right here.

I am not surprised you would decline LR. Like most limo libs you talk a great game but you really have no desire to know the truth about how women are treated in the Middle East - only in bashing America

However, you and Dillo could be useful in helping to solve the illegal immigration proble. We could send you, Dillo, and perhaps MM to Mexico, let you go on 24/7 about what a rotten place America is. That way noone would want to come here

[Dilloduck]

I am not surprised you would decline LR. Like most limo libs you talk a great game but you really have no desire to know the truth about how women are treated in the Middle East - only in bashing America

However, you and Dillo could be useful in helping to solve the illegal immigration proble. We could send you, Dillo, and perhaps MM to Mexico, let you go on 24/7 about what a rotten place America is. That way noone would want to come here

such anger-----does it always piss you off when it's pointed out that America isn't perfect ?

[jafar00]

I would like to see LR go to the Middle East and ask women if they would like to drive a car, be able to dress the way the would like to, go out with a male friend and not be MURDERED for it, listen to some rock and roll on the rado, or watch any TV show they would like to

Next LR will say women have it much better in the Middle East then women have it in the US

Which part of the Middle East are you referring to? Every country is different.

[aboutime]

This thread seems entirely like a Non-starter, and even Moot. Using the word ETHICAL in the same breath with Political Islam is a fantasy at best.

[Dilloduck]

Which part of the Middle East are you referring to? Every country is different.

Sorry---our friends think all of the mideast consists of Israel and the "other bad guys"

:cuckoo:

[Dilloduck]

This thread seems entirely like a Non-starter, and even Moot. Using the word ETHICAL in the same breath with Political Islam is a fantasy at best.

It's a stretch to even claim there is an ethical basis for war.

[Drummond]

Link please

I daresay that if I made the effort, I could find a better link to answer the challenge you posed. Still, it took me all of two minutes to find this one .. it was barely an effort at all ...

http://sheikyermami.com/2012/10/04/they-hate-us-because-they-are-muslim-and-we-are-not/


.. CNN host Wolf Blitzer, in a spasm of honest frustration, blurted out:

“Why do these people hate America after all that the U.S. has done to liberate” them?

Answer: religion. Not, as the New York Times whines, because of B-movies. Or drone strikes. Or waterboarding. Or Gitmo. Or Iraq. Or Afghanistan. Or Hiroshima. Or the countless other excuses offered.

They hate us because they are Muslim and we are not.

Since 9/11, and in spite of 9/11, Americans have honorably assumed the best about Muslims. Our first assumption has been that the Muslim terrorists and even the extremists who support them are in the minority. And that the overwhelming lot of Muslims in this country and around the world are moderate and peace-loving, and share our basic values.

We’ve applied this assumption to the war on terror. It’s embedded in our combat rules of engagement in Afghanistan; our counterterrorism training at home; our diplomatic outreach; and our interfaith activities.

Yet our Judeo-Christian values aren’t winning over Muslims in the Middle East. It’s their totalitarian values that are influencing us. With the help of Muslim Brotherhood front groups in America, they’re imposing their blasphemy and other Shariah laws on us. We’re compromising our freedoms to accommodate them.

It’s time to stop deluding ourselves into thinking they’ll change. Our differences, tragically, appear irreconcilable. Hatred from Muslim quarters has only grown bolder following the so-called Arab Spring, and it’s boiling over into Western space at an alarming rate.

[Drummond]

It's a stretch to even claim there is an ethical basis for war.

The War on Terror lacked an ethical basis ??!?

... whatever next ??

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The War on Terror lacked an ethical basis ??!?

... whatever next ??

I can not wait to see Dillo explain that statement. I bet he attempts to , nevermind if I post it he'll deliberately aboid doing it. I'd rather see if I am right on his reply. More fun that way..-:laugh:--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

The War on Terror lacked an ethical basis ??!?

... whatever next ??

Killing is always a tough thing to justify. Ethical killing is almost an oxymoron.

[tailfins]

Killing is always a tough thing to justify. Ethical killing is almost an oxymoron.

War is sometimes necessary. The alternative is letting a dictator seize our nation. However, I'm still convinced the end result of wholesale hate against a religion is discrimination in housing, employment and justification for harassment of some people who are just minding their own business.

[logroller]

Could be because they have laws and religious beliefs that validate murdering the victim instead of executing the rapist! Such extreme and violent upside down thinking is bound to bring great attention to its violent insanity!-TYR
Could be...not my problem.

[logroller]

I am not surprised you would decline LR. Like most limo libs you talk a great game but you really have no desire to know the truth about how women are treated in the Middle East - only in bashing America

However, you and Dillo could be useful in helping to solve the illegal immigration proble. We could send you, Dillo, and perhaps MM to Mexico, let you go on 24/7 about what a rotten place America is. That way noone would want to come here

Decline what, was your offer to liberate some Muslims from their burqas sincere; I thought that was a rhetorical question.

...When someone from the Middle East invites me, I'll consider it. Mexico, same thing. But thus far, the women I love and protect don't live the Middle East; they are here, in the US.

I point out the us has domestic issues with the abuse of women and you counter with "look at the Middle East." You act like the Middle East is more important than America. Maybe it is to you, but not me.

[Drummond]

Killing is always a tough thing to justify. Ethical killing is almost an oxymoron.

Killing is a tough thing to justify under certain circumstances. But in other circumstances, it can be easily justified.

Imagine it's September 12th, 2001, with America still shocked by the events of the previous day.

GW Bush knew that a response to those terrorist attacks HAD to happen ... sheer justice demanded it. So, the War on Terror was born.

Now, do you imagine that Bush thought that 'no killing' could be possible out of that war ???? Bush knew that terrorism had to be tackled. If he had been in any doubt of it, 9/11 destroyed such doubts. So 'justification' for beginning that response to terrorism was mandated, its actions most certainly so.

The War on Terror existed, in very simple terms, to 'right a wrong'. Now, HOW DOES THAT FAIL TO BE ETHICAL ?

So, on balance, I actually have to conclude that your stance is nonsense, Dilloduck. 'Or' ... is it your position that no response to 9/11 should've ever been launched ?

Please, Dilloduck, don't tell me that THIS is what you believe !!!!!!

[red states rule]

such anger-----does it always piss you off when it's pointed out that America isn't perfect ?

Where did I ever post that America was perfect? I am well aware of the mistakes this country has made since 1776 when we won our independence

One of the great things about America is Dillo you have the right to smear and insult the country and noone will take you off to a re-education camp or take away your breathing rights

Also, you have the right to be an obnoxious pompous jerk - but at this point you are starting to abuse the privilege

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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CAIRO — The supreme guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, from which Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi emanated, called on Thursday for a jihad (holy war) to liberate Jerusalem from Israeli rule.
"Jerusalem is Islamic ... and nobody is entitled to make concessions" on the Holy City, said Sheikh Mohammed Badie in his weekly message to supporters.
"The jihad for the recovery of Jerusalem is a duty for all Muslims," he said, stressing that the liberation of the Holy City "will not be done through negotiations or at the United Nations."
Israel, which signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, has watched with concern as Islamists were catapulted to the forefront of politics following a popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak last year.
Morsi has repeatedly said he would respect international treaties signed by Cairo. But his former movement has also said there is room to revise the accords, without objecting to them in principle.
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Morsi , just like most muslims is a known liar. He will support any action taken against Israel. Maybe not always openly but support it he will one way or another.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

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CAIRO — The supreme guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, from which Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi emanated, called on Thursday for a jihad (holy war) to liberate Jerusalem from Israeli rule.
"Jerusalem is Islamic ... and nobody is entitled to make concessions" on the Holy City, said Sheikh Mohammed Badie in his weekly message to supporters.
"The jihad for the recovery of Jerusalem is a duty for all Muslims," he said, stressing that the liberation of the Holy City "will not be done through negotiations or at the United Nations."
Israel, which signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, has watched with concern as Islamists were catapulted to the forefront of politics following a popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak last year.
Morsi has repeatedly said he would respect international treaties signed by Cairo. But his former movement has also said there is room to revise the accords, without objecting to them in principle.
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Morsi , just like most muslims is a known liar. He will support any action taken against Israel. Maybe not always openly but support it he will one way or another.-Tyr

omg---Muslims "leaders" have been shouting death to Israel and all those who support them for decades.

[Drummond]

omg---Muslims "leaders" have been shouting death to Israel and all those who support them for decades.

... and your point is .. ?

It's not, Dilloduck, as though they've been completely passive over those decades, is it ? Do you want to try and persuade people here that Muslims have been entirely pacifistic to Israel over the years ? There have been NO battles ? NO wars ? NO terrorist attacks launched, either at Israel or any nation supporting her ?

I suppose this means that 9/11 was just a fiction ????

Now (and for several years) we have Iran going full pelt towards acquiring the means to NUKE Israel !!

Dilloduck, I ask you if you're a Muslim (or a dedicated Muslim sympathiser). Would you now care to answer ?

[Dilloduck]

... and your point is .. ?

It's not, Dilloduck, as though they've been completely passive over those decades, is it ? Do you want to try and persuade people here that Muslims have been entirely pacifistic to Israel over the years ? There have been NO battles ? NO wars ? NO terrorist attacks launched, either at Israel or any nation supporting her ?

I suppose this means that 9/11 was just a fiction ????

Now (and for several years) we have Iran going full pelt towards acquiring the means to NUKE Israel !!

Dilloduck, I ask you if you're a Muslim (or a dedicated Muslim sympathiser). Would you now care to answer ?

Please stop intentionally twisting the meaning of my posts.

[Drummond]

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"Jerusalem is Islamic ... and nobody is entitled to make concessions" on the Holy City, said Sheikh Mohammed Badie in his weekly message to supporters.
"The jihad for the recovery of Jerusalem is a duty for all Muslims," he said, stressing that the liberation of the Holy City "will not be done through negotiations or at the United Nations."
Israel, which signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, has watched with concern as Islamists were catapulted to the forefront of politics following a popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak last year.
Morsi has repeatedly said he would respect international treaties signed by Cairo. But his former movement has also said there is room to revise the accords, without objecting to them in principle.
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Morsi , just like most muslims is a known liar. He will support any action taken against Israel. Maybe not always openly but support it he will one way or another.-Tyr

Tyr, thanks for this news item. Perhaps entirely unsurprisingly, the BBC hasn't reported this at all.

I also haven't seen the report in any British newspaper, and I had no knowledge of this until I saw your posting.

So ... I did a Google search. Plenty of links reporting this appear, including even one from an African news outlet. But with the single exception of Yahoo UK news, I've seen NOTHING AT ALL on this leading to any UK source (and are YAHOO British, anyway ?). So ... all of OUR people are keeping silent.

It isn't too surprising, as the reported perception of Morsi over here is that he's a moderate kind of leader. Evidently the British press want to maintain such a fiction.

[Drummond]

Please stop intentionally twisting the meaning of my posts.

Please stop 'ducking' my questions (.. though, it's maybe in the name, eh, 'Dillo' .. ?).

Do you have a more detailed reply to offer ?

[Dilloduck]

Please stop 'ducking' my questions (.. though, it's maybe in the name, eh, 'Dillo' .. ?).

Do you have a more detailed reply to offer ?

No--go ahead and pretend I'm a Mulsim appeaser if it's easier for you.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr, thanks for this news item. Perhaps entirely unsurprisingly, the BBC hasn't reported this at all.

I also haven't seen the report in any British newspaper, and I had no knowledge of this until I saw your posting.

So ... I did a Google search. Plenty of links reporting this appear, including even one from an African news outlet. But with the single exception of Yahoo UK news, I've seen NOTHING AT ALL on this leading to any UK source (and are YAHOO British, anyway ?). So ... all of OUR people are keeping silent.

It isn't too surprising, as the reported perception of Morsi over here is that he's a moderate kind of leader. Evidently the British press want to maintain such a fiction.

Sorry to hear that my friend for it clearly points to just how strong the muslim influence is there in Britain!
Keeping the citizens there blind to the muslim call for Jihad against Jerusalem has to be a deliberate government/media policy in cooperation. With that the case , Britain clearly hasnt much longer to last as a soveriegn nation. For when its taken over by Islamists it will be vassal state of Islam and not a soveriegn nation as we recognise the term.-Tyr

[red states rule]

Where did I ever post that America was perfect? I am well aware of the mistakes this country has made since 1776 when we won our independence

One of the great things about America is Dillo you have the right to smear and insult the country and noone will take you off to a re-education camp or take away your breathing rights

Also, you have the right to be an obnoxious pompous jerk - but at this point you are starting to abuse the privilege


Dillo was taken to school with this post :laugh2:

[red states rule]

No--go ahead and pretend I'm a Mulsim appeaser if it's easier for you.

Well you do have a hard on for Muslim terrorists and rapists.

[Dilloduck]

Dillo was taken to school with this post :laugh2:

Having to resort to patting your own back now I see. :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Having to resort to patting your own back now I see. :laugh2:

Son, taking you on is like The Dallas Cowboys taking on the JV team at the local high school. You are the biggest fountain of misinformation since the days of Virgil and OCA

[Dilloduck]

Son, taking you on is like The Dallas Cowboys taking on the JV team at the local high school. You are the biggest fountain of misinformation since the days of Virgil and OCA

So you claim :laugh2:

[tailfins]

Sorry to hear that my friend for it clearly points to just how strong the muslim influence is there in Britain!
Keeping the citizens there blind to the muslim call for Jihad against Jerusalem has to be a deliberate government/media policy in cooperation. With that the case , Britain clearly hasnt much longer to last as a soveriegn nation. For when its taken over by Islamists it will be vassal state of Islam and not a soveriegn nation as we recognise the term.-Tyr

Preserving the American way of life is one thing; justifying discrimination in employment, housing plus official and unofficial harassment is another. The most common manifestation of opposition to Islam is discrimination and harassment. The solution is to reinforce American principles. When people are well versed in American principles, ANY threat will be opposed whether it be monarchists, communists, islamists or whatever new threat appears.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Preserving the American way of life is one thing; justifying discrimination in employment, housing plus official and unofficial harassment is another. The most common manifestation of opposition to Islam is discrimination and harassment. The solution is to reinforce American principles. When people are well versed in American principles, ANY threat will be opposed whether it be monarchists, communists, islamists or whatever new threat appears.

We can not preserve that which we are not willing to properly defend. And to defend one must know the threat and address it. You preach ignore it as if that is a proper path to take. Ignore the hole in the boat and watch it sink. Head in the sand may comfort you but I have my family to think about. I am not goingto ignore the problem.
You go right ahead , let the men do the job that need to be done..-Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

If its definitions vary, Dilloduck, then how come its particular brand of barbarism KEEPS surfacing, time and again, traceable back to its roots from several centuries ago ??

Changes in presentation are skin deep only, in my opinion. Advances made over the centuries in attitudes and sensibilities just don't penetrate the core of Islam.

The Day OJ was declared not guilty
I was in San Jose CA at a womans home and her boyfriend happened to be there. She worked for her boyfriend as a loan officer.

Anyway, "Frank" (not his true first name since he was from Iran, though he went by that name) had the TV on. We had heard the decision was very close. When OJ was pronounced not guilty, Frank acted as if the Super bowl game ended and he had bet a million dollars on it. Frank was in such joy.

I asked him why since he had not paid much attention to the case as it went on. I had seen plenty of the court testimony." Why Frank, are you so happy?"

Frank the Muslim told me the woman OJ killed deserved to be killed. I was in shock. I had no idea Muslims believed that way. Frank figured she had sex with the other guy wo OJ killed and I don't believe they had an affair.

If you are a Muslim, the woman gets raped but has to pay the penalty.

Remember years ago that Saudi Princess who was beheaded for messing with some guy not in her caste?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The Day OJ was declared not guilty
I was in San Jose CA at a womans home and her boyfriend happened to be there. She worked for her boyfriend as a loan officer.

Anyway, "Frank" (not his true first name since he was from Iran, though he went by that name) had the TV on. We had heard the decision was very close. When OJ was pronounced not guilty, Frank acted as if the Super bowl game ended and he had bet a million dollars on it. Frank was in such joy.

I asked him why since he had not paid much attention to the case as it went on. I had seen plenty of the court testimony." Why Frank, are you so happy?"

Frank the Muslim told me the woman OJ killed deserved to be killed. I was in shock. I had no idea Muslims believed that way. Frank figured she had sex with the other guy wo OJ killed and I don't believe they had an affair.


You mean this....

http://expertscolumn.com/content/saudi-arabia-and-beheadings

Last year in 2011 the Saudi state carried out 79 beheadings which is 3 times more than the executions in 2010. Contrast this with India where the last execution took place in 2003, to understand the monstrousty of the legal killings by beheading in Saudi Arabia.Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy and has no written criminal code. In real terms the laws in this absolute monarchy are based on the Sharia as interpreted by the country’s judges.
About a decade back I had witnessed a documentary ‘Death of Princess’. This movie was filmed in secret and showed the beheading of a Saudi princess and her lover for daring to love a commoner. Beheadings in Arabia are against the grain of humanity and the world just suits back and watches. The tyranny of the Gestapo fades before the beheadings in Saudi Arabia.
A few days back in the northern province of al-Jawaf a women was beheaded for sorcery. Amnesty international has condemned the beheading of the woman and called it a travesty of law. In a bland statement the Saudi newspaper al Watan quoted the interior ministry saying that the woman was executed for practicing sorcery in Qurayyat Province of al Jawf region. The fact is that these executions for sorcery are in reality acts to suppress a person practicing his or her own beliefs.


^^^^^^^^^Remember years ago that Saudi Princess who was beheaded for messing with some guy not in her caste?

I had remember something about it but when you mentioned it I did a google search and found that link.
Isnt Sharia law just great, stoning or beheading women. Women mostly because they are easy targets,being viewed mostly as livestock in muslim nations.-Tyr

[tailfins]

We can not preserve that which we are not willing to properly defend. And to defend one must know the threat and address it. You preach ignore it as if that is a proper path to take. Ignore the hole in the boat and watch it sink. Head in the sand may comfort you but I have my family to think about. I am not goingto ignore the problem.
You go right ahead , let the men do the job that need to be done..-Tyr

What your doing is a sand trap. Of course I believe those responsible planning or facilitating attacks on American people, territory or interests need to be defeated. I just don't see using a club where a scalpel is needed as a successful strategy. Putting a lot of effort into Islam in general is a wasted effort. Iraq and Afghanistan are not stable to this day. I say we don't try. Let them collapse of their own rot, only intervening when it's a direct threat to the US.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What your doing is a sand trap. Of course I believe those responsible planning or facilitating attacks on American people, territory or interests need to be defeated. I just don't see using a club where a scalpel is needed as a successful strategy. Putting a lot of effort into Islam in general is a wasted effort. Iraq and Afghanistan are not stable to this day. I say we don't try. Let them collapse of their own rot, only intervening when it's a direct threat to the US.

I was not talking about the wars in the ME. I was talking about the war right here in America. The muslim campaign to install Sharia law here in our nation. Do try to keep up. Referencing their culture and religious rot by posting info about their stronghold in the ME is necessary to counter the many excuses /arguments made by their appeasors here.. Currently we had better face off against Political Islam here and now or we will see Sharia creep turn into a fullblown disaster in the future--our kid's future. The new battleground is here on our own soil..-Tyr

[tailfins]

I was not talking about the wars in the ME. I was talking about the war right here in America. The muslim campaign to install Sharia law here in our nation. Do try to keep up. Referencing their culture and religious rot by posting info about their stronghold in the ME is necessary to counter the many excuses /arguments made by their appeasors here.. Currently we had better face off against Political Islam here and now or we will see Sharia creep turn into a fullblown disaster in the future--our kid's future. The new battleground is here on our own soil..-Tyr

There's always a different threat; the solution is always the same. Don't compromise our founding principles regardless on who is asking for the compromise.

[Robert A Whit]

Tyr is a true visionary and sees troubled waters due to the extreme tolerance awarded to Muslims.

While it can be true that there are Muslims not devoted today to the extermination of our way of life living in the USA, it is ahead of us. Maybe not me, but my grandchildren.

Say there is a train running down a track. Today the train is 1,000 miles up the track. We know that if we properly prepare the road crossing, we can save lives.

Somebody says, why not wait till the train is here?

Why not do it today when we have a chance to prevail?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

There's always a different threat; the solution is always the same. Don't compromise our founding principles regardless on who is asking for the compromise.

SURE IS AND AMERICA HAS ALWAYS FACED THOSE THREATS AND PREVAILED!
No reason to stop doing that now because it has stood us well all these many years. Sure we've been reluctant to fight before but once started we always prevailed if let loose to truly fight for a win!!!
I say f- the foooools, prep now for the coming battle because its coming no matter what we do!!!--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Tyr is a true visionary and sees troubled waters due to the extreme tolerance awarded to Muslims.

While it can be true that there are Muslims not devoted today to the extermination of our way of life living in the USA, it is ahead of us. Maybe not me, but my grandchildren.

Say there is a train running down a track. Today the train is 1,000 miles up the track. We know that if we properly prepare the road crossing, we can save lives.

Somebody says, why not wait till the train is here?

Why not do it today when we have a chance to prevail?

In what way is America practicing "extreme tolerance"?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr is a true visionary and sees troubled waters due to the extreme tolerance awarded to Muslims.

While it can be true that there are Muslims not devoted today to the extermination of our way of life living in the USA, it is ahead of us. Maybe not me, but my grandchildren.

Say there is a train running down a track. Today the train is 1,000 miles up the track. We know that if we properly prepare the road crossing, we can save lives.

Somebody says, why not wait till the train is here?

Why not do it today when we have a chance to prevail?

We had to be dragged into WW2 and only then after being sucker punched by the Japs. History clearly shows how foolish our waiting that late was! It almost cost us the Victory, almost cost us our ally --Britain!
Now Britain is about to fight a great battle against Islam. Do we wait until they fall or do we give them aid and start the ball rolling ourselves!!???????
Yes, I see quite a bit ahead and I was right at age 18 in 1972 about China's rise to number one world power in 40+ years, within ten years or even less China will be number one world power! I was laughed at back then but look now at Chna's rise! The world moves faster everyday . --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

In what way is America practicing "extreme tolerance"?

You are a good example!--Yet you ask!!!! That about says it all right there amigo!!
You asking and completely failing to see , so so rich......--:laugh:-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

We had to be dragged into WW2 and only then after being sucker punched by the Japs. History clearly shows how foolish our waiting that late was! It almost cost us the Victory, almost cost us our ally --Britain!
Now Britain is about to fight a great battle against Islam. Do we wait until they fall or do we give them aid and start the ball rolling ourselves!!???????
Yes, I see quite a bit ahead and I was right at age 18 in 1972 about China's rise to number one world power in 40+ years, within ten years or even less China will be number one world power! I was laughed at back then but look now at Chna's rise! The world moves faster everyday . --Tyr

What action is Great Britain ready to take against Islam ?

[Dilloduck]

You are a good example!--Yet you ask!!!! That about says it all right there amigo!!
You asking and completely failing to see , so so rich......--:laugh:-Tyr

Answer please

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What action is Great Britain ready to take against Islam ?

Apparently none until its too damn late! We shall see, mark my words, we shall see fairly soon!
Either they fight or else go under like graven extremely foolish cowards! I have enough respect for them to think that eventually they will fight. Tis better late than never IMHO. Drummonds see the great need /urgency as do I.. -Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

In what way is America practicing "extreme tolerance"?

Given the Muslims goals, allowing them to live.

[Robert A Whit]

We had to be dragged into WW2 and only then after being sucker punched by the Japs. History clearly shows how foolish our waiting that late was! It almost cost us the Victory, almost cost us our ally --Britain!
Now Britain is about to fight a great battle against Islam. Do we wait until they fall or do we give them aid and start the ball rolling ourselves!!???????
Yes, I see quite a bit ahead and I was right at age 18 in 1972 about China's rise to number one world power in 40+ years, within ten years or even less China will be number one world power! I was laughed at back then but look now at Chna's rise! The world moves faster everyday . --Tyr

You mean those tiny people so far away? Those same people that outsmarted FDR per democrats?

How many women must be beheaded or stoned to death for things Americans would find amusing before they catch on that those Muslims mean business?

[Dilloduck]

Given the Muslims goals, allowing them to live.

Right--You know if you look at American history you will notice that those who received unfair and discriminatory treatment ended up getting special priviledges assigned to them to compensate. Calling for the death of Muslims is really pretty despicable and will only serve to incite calls to give them the same rights every other American has.

[Dilloduck]

You mean those tiny people so far away? Those same people that outsmarted FDR per democrats?

How many women must be beheaded or stoned to death for things Americans would find amusing before they catch on that those Muslims mean business?

You have pity for Muslim women ?