CNN: Obama's "Romney killed my wife" ad not accurate

[Little-Acorn]

Hardly a surprise, of course. Even the leftist CNN appears to have had enough of the Obama campaign's chronic fibs. Here CNN debunks the Obama ad about the guy working for GST Steel, who connects Bain Capital's purchase of GST Steel with his wife's later death from cancer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMkmxJ3P9Tw&feature=youtu.be

And even CNN's debunking barely scratches the surface.

The guy worked for GST Steel for 30 years, he said.

Did anyone notice that before Bain Capital ever came around, GST Steel's previous owner was shutting it down? And when Bain Capital came in, they cancelled the shutdown, spent a ton of money on renovations and improvements to the company, and kept it running an additional 8 years?

Did I miss where this steel worker thanked Mitt Romney for giving him an additional 8 years of employment (and Health Care coverage), that he wouldn't have had if Romney and Bain hadn't bought the company?

Funny, I don't recall hearing that mentioned in the ad.

Will these Democrats ever stop lying, distorting, and twisting the truth?

Is it November yet?

[aboutime]

We all are pretty up-to-date on the actual facts surrounding almost everything related, or connected to the mention of the word OBAMA.

And those actual facts are. OBAMA IS AN UNCONDITIONAL, DEDICATED, PROFESSIONAL LIAR.

[gabosaurus]

No one even commented on Romney's response video:

http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Ad_Obama_killef_my_wife_dog.jpg

[aboutime]

No one even commented on Romney's response video:

http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Ad_Obama_killef_my_wife_dog.jpg


Gabby. How long did you have to sit still for that photo?

[jimnyc]

No one even commented on Romney's response video:

You should really do your best to avoid complaining about the way others post. All you do in every other thread is completely ignore the topic at hand and toss in bullshit to steer away from the subject.

[hjmick]

No one even commented on Romney's response video:

http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Ad_Obama_killef_my_wife_dog.jpg

Come on you mindless hack, address the topic, condemn the lies.

I swear to GOD, it's like Truthmatters is still here...

[MtnBiker]

Distract and distort, the obama strategy and gabby is a true follower.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Obama killed my dog. About 2 years after obama took office I gave my dog Midnight away to a stranger that my next door neighbor suggested wanted a nice dog for their kids(they had 7 kids)! I did that because I knew that obama was going to cause me to have to work more hours to make ends meet and I would have no time to care for my dog. After about 3 months I decided to drive the 39 miles into the next county to that farmhouse to check on my dog. When I got to the house on the end of that farm road I saw that it was EMPTY! Sure enough the family had moved away. Being curious I wandered around the place and to my horror found what was left of my dog still chained next to its doghouse in the backyard!
Looks like it had been dead at least a month. Apparently had died of thirst.. What a miserable and painful way to go!
Had obama not deliberately destroyed our economy my dog would still be alive. I drove to the nearest house there to ask what happened to that family and was told they nearly starved to death and had finally moved across country to live with elderly parents of the sickly wife.
Looks like Reid is right , we can just blame anybody for any damn thing.. Thanks Harry.-Tyr

[ringotuna]

http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-soptic-romney-obama-ad-campaign-priorities-usa-2012-8

The inconvenient truth.

[aboutime]

Obama ATE our dog. If he can lie so much. This is not a joke. Our dog disappeared right after Obama took office. We followed him to the White House, looked in the Oval Office windows and saw our Dog's turds...sitting behind the desk.
Obama not only lies. He is a STINKING liar too!

To anyone who is offended with this post. I did nothing more than what Obama does on a daily basis. But mine makes sense.

[red states rule]

Looks like this is backfiring on the Obama folks, Several of his spokepeople have been caught in bold face lies to their buddies in the liberal media

Here is proof Stephanie Cutter (the same person who called Mitt a felon) TALKING to Joe Soptic during a conference call back in May




Step one - The Obama campaign claims no knowledge (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/team-obama-says-they-dont-story-of-man-who-stars-of-131462.html) of Joe Soptic's story while refusing to denounce (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/08/video_msnbc_panel_hammers_robert_gibbs_on_superpac _ad_for_nine_straight_minutes) a shockingly offensive and false political ad produced by their former colleague's (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-burton/gIQAFW7ZAP_topic.html) pro-Obama SuperPAC:

Asked about the Priorities spot on MSNBC Wednesday morning, Robert Gibbs said he doesn’t “know the specifics” while Stephanie Cutter said on CNN: “I don’t know the facts about when Mr. Soptic’s wife got sick or the facts about his health insurance.” And Jen Psaki told reporters on Air Force One that “we don't' have any knowledge of the story of the family.”

Step two - The coordinated lie goes down in flames (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/team-obama-says-they-dont-story-of-man-who-stars-of-131462.html):

But Cutter hosted an Obama campaign conference call in May in which Soptic told reporters the very story featured in the Priorities spot. Both the campaign and the Priorities USA Action said there was no coordination about Soptic’s appearances. In the campaign’s ad, Soptic speaks only about the plant. In the Priorities spot, he tells the personal story he relayed during the Obama campaign conference call. On the May 14 Obama campaign call, Soptic detailed his wife's illness and death.

Here is the audio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfOoZl0tHvQ&feature=youtu.be) of Mr. Soptic recounting the horrible details of his wife's death -- which occurred five years after he lost his job at GST and seven years (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/07/obama_superpac_ad_mitt_romney_pretty_much_killed_m y_wife) after Mitt Romney left Bain Capital. (He fails to mention that his wife had her own insurance (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/08/video_msnbc_panel_hammers_robert_gibbs_on_superpac _ad_for_nine_straight_minutes) before she left her job, a detail that was also omitted from the -- totally uncoordinated! -- SuperPAC ad). Note the voice at the very end end of the clip:


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That was Stephanie Cutter in May, thanking Joe for "sharing his experiences" on a conference call she was running. Yes, the very same Stephanie Cutter who claimed on national television (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC0vlmIS6sY&feature=youtu.be) earlier today that she does not "know the facts about when Mr. Soptic’s wife got sick or the facts about his health insurance." Oh, and the May conference call was orchestrated, organized and executed by the very campaign that now tells voters that they "don't have any knowledge of the story of the [Soptic] family." These people are liars. Even though they've been caught red-handed, totally lying their asses off about this controversy, don't expect any contrition or remorse. In addition to being -- what's the term (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/elisabethmeinecke/2012/08/05/rnc_chair_to_reid_dirty_liar) again? -- oh yes, dirty liars, they're also unscrupulous, win-at-all-costs ideologues. As they disgrace themselves, they continue to expose their boss to be the utterly shameless (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/01/obama_in_2007_ill_fire_anyone_who_does_oppo_resear ch_on_personal_matters) fraud (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/flashback-obama-decries-negative-ads-as-disservice-on-08-cedar-rapids-visit/) that he is.



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/08/busted_team_obama_caught_lying_about_cancer_ad

[aboutime]

Why would any of us question, or doubt anything, anyone connected with Obama, or the Obama admin, and the Democrat party when we hear, or read any of their Lies?

Obama has been instrumental as a teacher, counselor, and guide who instructs others how to LIE, and be BELIEVED without every questioning his authenticity, or accuracy.

Bottom line. If it looks like Obama. Smells like Obama, Sounds like Obama. IT'S A LIE, and A LIAR behind it.

OBAMA IS A LIAR. No other way to get the point across. Even to the Easily Led, Gullible, and Those who Must DENY it.

[Kathianne]

I wonder how this is going to go over?

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Cutter is doubling down. 08/10/12. They really believe that the American public, that may vote for THEM, are THAT stupid:

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-campaign-caught-lie-over-joe-soptic-possible-violation-of-law


Obama campaign caught in lie over Joe Soptic, possible violation of law




August 10, 2012
By: Joe Newby (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/joe-newby)

...But an article posted Thursday at policymic.com (http://www.policymic.com/articles/12482/busted-obama-campaign-lied-possibly-coordinated-with-super-pacs) says that Soptic was on a conference call with Cutter on May 4, 2012.


"Stephanie Cutter knew Joe Soptic, and heard the entire story well before the Priorities USA ad debuted over the airways. It’s now obvious that she lied when trying to deny it this week," Jesse Merkel wrote.


"It’s highly likely that Robert Gibbs and other high level Obama campaign advisers knew Joe Soptic and his story very well," he added, noting that it is "a violation of federal law" for a campaign to coordinate with a Super PAC.
Buzzfeed (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-campaign-also-tied-romney-to-joe-soptics-wi) reported Thursday that the campaign also used Soptic's story in a slideshow (http://www.barackobama.com/romney/economics/gst/gst-steel-slide-08) posted on the internet earlier this year that also fails to mention that Romney was not at Bain when the worker lost his job.


"Romney campaign spokesman Andrea Saul tweeted 'WOW' (https://twitter.com/andreamsaul/status/233704207700594689) in response to the slideshow, while the Obama campaign declined to comment," Andrew Kaczynski wrote.


"While it could be very difficult to prove that there was any direct coordination going on, at the very least it has now become obvious that the Obama campaign knew the specifics about Soptic, and that they lied about it (http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-soptic-romney-obama-ad-campaign-priorities-usa-2012-8) repeatedly," Merkel wrote.


Cutter was originally scheduled to appear on ABC's "This Week," but Dana Loesch (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/08/09/Embattled-Stephanie-Cutter-Drops-ABC-This-Week-Appearance) wrote that David Axelrod will go in her place "as it's likely Cutter would face too many question regarding her dishonesty on Soptic and the campaign's suspected coordination with Priorities USA, which seems ripe for an FEC investigation."


"We look forward to hearing how Axelrod handles explaining the curious similarities (http://moelane.com/2012/08/08/collusion-between-obama-for-america-and-priorities-usa-on-their-lying-soptic-ads/) between the campaign's ad and the super PAC's ad -- as well as whether or not this means Obama has changed his mind about super PAC regulations when it seems his campaign may now be flouting existing law," she added...

[Drummond]

Obama killed my dog. About 2 years after obama took office I gave my dog Midnight away to a stranger that my next door neighbor suggested wanted a nice dog for their kids(they had 7 kids)! I did that because I knew that obama was going to cause me to have to work more hours to make ends meet and I would have no time to care for my dog. After about 3 months I decided to drive the 39 miles into the next county to that farmhouse to check on my dog. When I got to the house on the end of that farm road I saw that it was EMPTY! Sure enough the family had moved away. Being curious I wandered around the place and to my horror found what was left of my dog still chained next to its doghouse in the backyard!
Looks like it had been dead at least a month. Apparently had died of thirst.. What a miserable and painful way to go!
Had obama not deliberately destroyed our economy my dog would still be alive. I drove to the nearest house there to ask what happened to that family and was told they nearly starved to death and had finally moved across country to live with elderly parents of the sickly wife.
Looks like Reid is right , we can just blame anybody for any damn thing.. Thanks Harry.-Tyr

Very sorry to hear about your dog's fate, Tyr.

Just another reason to see the Leftie trash ousted as soon as possible.

[Drummond]

Come on you mindless hack, address the topic, condemn the lies.

I swear to GOD, it's like Truthmatters is still here...

Nicely said.

Besides, I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't even play the video. The 'link' seems totally inactive.

[Neo]

No one even commented on Romney's response video:

http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Ad_Obama_killef_my_wife_dog.jpg

Awe come on guys, lighen up will ya? This is kind of funny, dontcha think? A Lib with a sense of humor? Who'd of thunk it?

[Noir]

So is that not like, libel?

[Neo]

So is that not like, libel?

You talking to me? :wtf99:

If you are, no it 's not. In fact, it's as true as Romney not paying taxes for the past decade.

Anything else I can be of assistance with?

[Noir]

You talking to me? :wtf99:

If you are, no it 's not. In fact, it's as true as Romney not paying taxes for the past decade.

Anything else I can be of assistance with?

I was referring the the OP.

If a politician runs an add, designed to call into question another character, and that ad is later found to be based on a false story, is that not a clean cut case of lible? =/

[jimnyc]

I was referring the the OP.

If a politician runs an add, designed to call into question another character, and that ad is later found to be based on a false story, is that not a clean cut case of lible? =/

Not really, political and public figures fall under a different set of rules, and this is why you always see so much condemnation of political figures and nothing ever done about it in the courts, about libel or slander. Actually proving the intent is very difficult. And for politicians, it also brings negativity to their campaign, even if they are in the right.


Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.

The concept of the "public figure" is broader than celebrities and politicians. A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of publicity, even though that person did not want or invite the public attention. For example, people accused of high profile crimes may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established, on the basis that the notoriety associated with the case and the accusations against them turned them into involuntary public figures.

A person can also become a "limited public figure" by engaging in actions which generate publicity within a narrow area of interest. For example, a woman named Terry Rakolta was offended by the Fox Television show, Married With Children, and wrote letters to the show's advertisers to try to get them to stop their support for the show. As a result of her actions, Ms. Rakolta became the target of jokes in a wide variety of settings. As these jokes remained within the confines of her public conduct, typically making fun of her as being prudish or censorious, they were protected by Ms. Rakolta's status as a "limited public figure".

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html#3

[aboutime]

Just a bit of info for everyone who might ask.

ANY political figure from the President, to members of Congress are IMMUNE from any cases of Libel, Slander, or Defamation IF....that is IF...said President, or member of Congress makes such Libel, Slander, or Defamation from their position as President, or in the Capitol, within the Senate, or House of Representatives.

Also. Those same Political figures are granted...according to the U.S. Supreme Court, every opportunity to LIE, or pretend to be Someone...such as a WAR HERO with Medals whenever, and however they deem desirable in order to perform their political duties.

In other words. Citizens, and Politicians CANNOT sue other politicians, or civilians for their speech.

How good does that information make you feel now?

[Kathianne]

Just a bit of info for everyone who might ask.

ANY political figure from the President, to members of Congress are IMMUNE from any cases of Libel, Slander, or Defamation IF....that is IF...said President, or member of Congress makes such Libel, Slander, or Defamation from their position as President, or in the Capitol, within the Senate, or House of Representatives.

Also. Those same Political figures are granted...according to the U.S. Supreme Court, every opportunity to LIE, or pretend to be Someone...such as a WAR HERO with Medals whenever, and however they deem desirable in order to perform their political duties.

In other words. Citizens, and Politicians CANNOT sue other politicians, or civilians for their speech.

How good does that information make you feel now?

All true.