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Kathianne
07-05-2012, 10:43 AM
The crazed Islamacists are at it again in Mali:

http://world.time.com/2012/07/02/timbuktus-destruction-why-islamists-are-wrecking-malis-cultural-heritage/?iid=gs-article-mostpop1#ixzz1zkttkDtt


Timbuktu’s Destruction: Why Islamists Are Wrecking Mali’s Cultural HeritageIt was a singular, defining act of barbarism, beamed out live for the world to see. In March 2001, Taliban (http://topics.time.com/taliban/) fighters and grandees clustered around the famed giant statues of the Buddha in Afghanistan (http://topics.time.com/afghanistan/)’s Bamiyan province, laid explosives at their feet and blew them up. The extremists’ shadowy leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, lauded the destruction of the two towering 6th century monuments: “Muslims should be proud of smashing idols. It has given praise to God that we have destroyed them.”


Similar language and zeal was on air Monday when news emerged of an Islamist faction in Mali (http://topics.time.com/mali/) desecrating a number of tombs (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/07/radical-islamic-rebels-in-mali-destroying-timbuktu-treasures.html) in the ancient city of Timbuktu, which in recent months fell under control of a separatist insurgency. “The destruction is a divine order,” said a spokesman from Ansar Dine, a radical outfit with alleged links to al-Qaeda. According to reports (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57464957/radical-islamists-lay-waste-to-timbuktu-heritage/), the militants have set about tearing down centuries-old mausoleums of Muslim holy men in Timbuktu, a Saharan crossroads known in lore as “the city of 333 saints” and long a fabled destination for backpacking tourists. UNESCO, the U.N.’s cultural agency, says (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/02/opinion/unesco-mali-opinion/) as many as half of the city’s shrines “have been destroyed in a display of fanaticism.”


In the puritanical strain of Islam adhered to by Ansar Dine (and the Taliban), veneration of Sufi saints counts as idolatry, a heretical practice that cannot be tolerated. Militants bearing guns, pickaxes and shovels reduced to rubble the tomb of Sidi Mahmoud, who died in 955 A.D. They have also knocked down tombs of two other prominent medieval saints, Sidi Moctar and Alpha Moya. One Ansar Dine spokesman told the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18665522)that they plan to destroy every single Sufi shrine in the city, “without exception.”


International outrage has been swift. UNESCO, which designates some of Timbuktu’s mosques and tombs as World Heritage sites, has desperately urged an end to the campaign of destruction. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon deemed the acts “totally unjustified.” The International Criminal Court’s new chief prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, suggested they should be considered a war crime. :laugh2:

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And prospects for peace and dialogue in Mali do look dim. A military coup earlier this year threw what was once one of West Africa’s most stable democracies into chaos: the rebellion in the north gained ground and effectively captured half the country but is itself now splintering on religious lines, with Salafist factions clashing with more secular elements. The coupmakers in the capital, Bamako, have faced their own turmoil.

Neighboring countries are contemplating military intervention; hundreds of thousands of Malians have been forced to flee their homes as refugees, with fears growing of an escalating humanitarian crisis.


In Timbuktu, it appears the Islamists are running roughshod over a fearful, traumatized populace. A gang of Ansar Dine allegedly tore down one of the doors of the 15th century Sidi Yahya mosque. Tradition has it that that particular portal would only open on the last day of the world — a local superstition wrapped up in messianic fables that the Islamists wanted to prove hollow. But, with their historic city crumbling around them, the people of Timbuktu have every right to imagine a world ending.

jimnyc
07-05-2012, 10:56 AM
I can't wait until someone blows up Kabaa! Or pissing on it would be sufficient. :coffee:

Kathianne
07-05-2012, 11:06 AM
I can't wait until someone blows up Kabaa! Or pissing on it would be sufficient. :coffee:

I'm just hoping this isn't a precursor as the blowing up of the Buddah statues were. This having followed the USS Cole bombing, it took on significance it may have not without the Cole, at least in the US.

This has a similar 'feel' to it.

Thunderknuckles
07-05-2012, 11:29 AM
6th century monuments. What a shame. Definitely a loss to our human heritage.

mundame
07-05-2012, 11:43 AM
Muslim religious fanatics. They kill everyone, destroy everything they can, that isn't Islam. It's very sad, and very dangerous, IMO.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-05-2012, 12:13 PM
Just wait until they get a firm control in Egypt and one of the insane mullahs declares the Pyramids to be a blasphemy against Allah. They likely to destroy them too, with our aid money no less!

Kathianne
07-05-2012, 12:15 PM
Just wait until they get a firm control in Egypt and one of the insane mullahs declares the Pyramids to be a blasphemy against Allah. They likely to destroy them too, with our aid money no less!

You could be right on that. The pyramids are part of ancient Egyptian worship, polytheist. Islam is monotheist, so it's entirely possible.

Noir
07-05-2012, 12:20 PM
Was just telling my gf about this, and she's furious lol, the city was on one of her 'to see in a life time' lists because of the history =/

Abbey Marie
07-05-2012, 12:25 PM
Just wait until they get a firm control in Egypt and one of the insane mullahs declares the Pyramids to be a blasphemy against Allah. They likely to destroy them too, with our aid money no less!

How tragic that would be. :(

Gaffer
07-05-2012, 12:34 PM
I'm sure jafer can spin this and put it in a favorable light. After all islam is the religion of peace and tolerance. :rolleyes:

Kathianne
07-05-2012, 01:43 PM
It's not just the statues:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22011-islamist-threat-to-timbuktus-ancient-scientific-texts.html


Timbuktu's priceless collection of ancient scientific texts is at risk of destruction by hard-line Islamists (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/01/timbuktu-world-heritage-site-attacked?newsfeed=true).

Ansar Dine, a Tuareg militia, occupies territory around Timbuktu, a town in northern Mali listed as a world heritage site (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/119/). In recent weeks, the group has destroyed historic tombs in the town (see picture), which house the remains of Islamic Sufi saints and which Ansar Dine says are idolatrous.


"We know six or seven shrines have been attacked," Lazare Eloundou Assomo (http://whc.unesco.org/en/333/?action=detail&order=1452), chief of the UNESCO World Heritage Centre's Africa Unit, told New Scientist. "But there are many scientific documents at risk too, and no one can tell if they'll be safe."


UNESCO has accepted a request by the government of Mali to add Timbuktu to the list of heritage sites at risk of destruction.


Various sites in Timbuktu house a matchless collection of 300,000 ancient Islamic texts, some dating from the 13th century, which include treatises on science and mathematics. Among them are texts on the harmful effects of tobacco, on medicine as practised 300 years ago, and on astronomy (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19526171.400-stars-of-the-sahara.html).


One of UNESCO's projects is to translate and digitise the Timbuktu manuscripts (http://www.mediaclubsouthafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1765:timbuktu-310510&catid=47:africanews&Itemid=116), many of which are currently kept in the town's Ahmed Baba Institute (http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/Building_types_study/libraries/2011/ahmed-baba-institute-library.asp). They are among the most important historical texts in Africa.

mundame
07-05-2012, 04:00 PM
You could be right on that. The pyramids are part of ancient Egyptian worship, polytheist. Islam is monotheist, so it's entirely possible.

Sure, they are constantly blowing up the ancient Coptic churches (pre-Islam, 7th century) right now.

This thread and the good point about the pyramids makes me realize that wherever Islam takes hold, they will destroy all other religious evidence or heritage as soon as they can ---- the cathedrals in Europe, for instance.

It's what they do, like violence against other groups in every country they go to, like all the Muslim violence in Africa now, and Thailand.

jimnyc
07-05-2012, 04:01 PM
I'm sure jafer can spin this and put it in a favorable light. After all islam is the religion of peace and tolerance. :rolleyes:

It's not in the Quran and they are not true Muslims. That's the usual excuse by embarrassed Muslims.

Nukeman
07-05-2012, 04:09 PM
It's not in the Quran and they are not true Muslims. That's the usual excuse by embarrassed Muslims.
Funny how if ONE person who purports to be Christian does something wrong than ALL Christians are vilified. Yet a million or more Muslims do despicable and horrendous acts they aren't "real" Muslims so we shouldn't believe them

Dilloduck
07-05-2012, 04:38 PM
Funny how if ONE person who purports to be Christian does something wrong than ALL Christians are vilified. Yet a million or more Muslims do despicable and horrendous acts they aren't "real" Muslims so we shouldn't believe them

Christians and white people are the boring norm that have ruined America. We've been trying to move away from that for years now and are gettin closer all the time. We can't be focusing on a few crazy muslims when we have a whole race and religion to discredit. Pay no attention to whatever they are doing. They are a different culture. Tolerance.
UNESCO is going to put the shrines on an endangered list anyway. :lmao:

jafar00
07-05-2012, 05:48 PM
The crazed Islamacists are at it again in Mali:

At it again implies that Ansar Dine is the same group of nutcases the Taliban are.


Just wait until they get a firm control in Egypt and one of the insane mullahs declares the Pyramids to be a blasphemy against Allah. They likely to destroy them too, with our aid money no less!

Unlikely. Tourism is a big money maker in Egypt and Egyptians are very protective of their history.


This thread and the good point about the pyramids makes me realize that wherever Islam takes hold, they will destroy all other religious evidence or heritage as soon as they can ---- the cathedrals in Europe, for instance.

Which cathedrals are being destroyed? Like Hagia Sofia in Instanbul which was converted into a Mosque with Christian imagery left intact?