Media vs. America: Scorning on the Fourth of July

[red states rule]

Nothing like the 4th of July to bring out the hate the liberal media and libs have for the USA and its history

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2011/1101110704_400.jpg


"The framers were not gods and were not infallible. Yes, they gave us, and the world, a blueprint for the protection of democratic freedoms — freedom of speech, assembly, religion — but they also gave us the idea that a black person was three-fifths of a human being, that women were not allowed to vote and that South Dakota should have the same number of Senators as California, which is kind of crazy....If the Constitution was intended to limit the federal government, it sure doesn't say so."

— Time managing editor Richard Stengel in the magazine's July 4, 2011 edition, which featured a picture of the U.S. Constitution going through a shredder with the headline, "Does It Still Matter?"

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2012/07/04/media-vs-america-scorning-fourth-july#ixzz1zfLmxN8x

[red states rule]

and in the spirit of liberal civility..............





Happy Fourth of July to the Treason Party

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So how surprising should it be that now, in times that try men’s souls to a far lesser extent, Americans are also broadly divided when it comes to, well, just about everything.

When I look at the Republicans, I am tempted to dismiss them as the Treason Party.

Seriously, were a band of traitors to concoct a series of positions deliberately designed to weaken America, they would be hard pressed to beat the current GOP dogma — hobble education, starve the government by slashing taxes to the rich, kneecap attempts to jumpstart the economy by fixating on debt, invite corporations to dominate political discourse, balkanize the population by demonizing minorities and immigrants and let favored religions dictate social policy.

What gave me pause, however, is that they beat me to it — for 15 years the Republicans have been treating Democrats as if believing in a government that addresses our common public problems is a form of sedition. Given how uniformly wrong they are, I’m loathe to use any of their tactics, even one that has been so stunningly effective, convincing millions of Americans their best interests lie in coddling the rich and their champion is a stiff, dressage-riding multi-millionaire.

And I am reminded that, often in American history, from John Adams to Rosa Parks to the anti-war movement, being branded a traitor turns out to be a badge of honor.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/steinberg/13560582-452/happy-fourth-of-july-to-the-treason-party.html

[cadet]

Nothing like the 4th of July to bring out the hate the liberal media and libs have for the USA and its history

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2011/1101110704_400.jpg


"The framers were not gods and were not infallible. Yes, they gave us, and the world, a blueprint for the protection of democratic freedoms — freedom of speech, assembly, religion — but they also gave us the idea that a black person was three-fifths of a human being, that women were not allowed to vote and that South Dakota should have the same number of Senators as California, which is kind of crazy....If the Constitution was intended to limit the federal government, it sure doesn't say so."

— Time managing editor Richard Stengel in the magazine's July 4, 2011 edition, which featured a picture of the U.S. Constitution going through a shredder with the headline, "Does It Still Matter?"

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2012/07/04/media-vs-america-scorning-fourth-july#ixzz1zfLmxN8x

You know what? it does still matter. They might not have been "gods", and they sure as hell weren't the greatest people to ever live. But they had morals. they were in a time when people CARED. They wrote this to have a nation that was free to do anything. freedom to ALL men, and ALL men could do with their life as they pleased. that was it. a way to be free to do anything, yet still have something to keep a law of the land.

So yes, it still freaking matters, obviously, lawyers have exploited the constitution into being able to do almost anything. I don't find that right, it's a guideline to do the right thing. But until you find me a large amount of people that this nation would trust in writing a new constitution for the greater good and not themselves, we're gonna stick with that piece of paper that says we are free.

[red states rule]

You know what? it does still matter. They might not have been "gods", and they sure as hell weren't the greatest people to ever live. But they had morals. they were in a time when people CARED. They wrote this to have a nation that was free to do anything. freedom to ALL men, and ALL men could do with their life as they pleased. that was it. a way to be free to do anything, yet still have something to keep a law of the land.

So yes, it still freaking matters, obviously, lawyers have exploited the constitution into being able to do almost anything. I don't find that right, it's a guideline to do the right thing. But until you find me a large amount of people that this nation would trust in writing a new constitution for the greater good and not themselves, we're gonna stick with that piece of paper that says we are free.

I guess liberals do not like the fact the US Contitution LIMITS the power of government and they need people like Justice Roberts to overturn that intention one decision at a time

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I guess liberals do not like the fact the US Contitution LIMITS the power of government and they need people like Justice Roberts to overturn that intention one decision at a time

Roberts just handed them a powerful new weapon, the court sanctioned right to tax citizens for not buy a product or service! Now they can put a tax into any bill have it declared Constitutional according to Roberts's ruling. And it doesnt even have to be a declared tax bill! How's that for tyranny? Boston tea be damned! It was chump change compared to this outrageous travesty of justice and attack on our freedoms!-Tyr

[red states rule]

Roberts just handed them a powerful new weapon, the court sanctioned right to tax citizens for not buy a product or service! Now they can put a tax into any bill have it declared Constitutional according to Roberts's ruling. And it doesnt even have to be a declared tax bill! How's that for tyranny? Boston tea be damned! It was chump change compared to this outrageous travesty of justice and attack on our freedoms!-Tyr


How true

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?35844-List-of-things-that-are-now-considered-taxes&highlight=

[red states rule]

and we have this from the devoted Obama supporter Chris Rock




Perhaps Chris Rock should consider following Alec Baldwin out the Twitter door after this sneering Fourth of July tweet (https://twitter.com/chrisrock/status/220512157937315842) at all his white fans (and patriotic people of every race):

"Happy white peoples independence day the slaves weren't free but I'm sure they enjoyed fireworks".

This is the same guy that compared the Tea Party to bratty racist kids (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-nolte/2011/02/18/chris-rock-american-tea-partiers-are-racist-and-insane) who act insane before they go to bed:

“I actually like it, in the sense that—you got kids?” asked Rock. “Kids always act up the most before they go to sleep. And when I see the Tea Party and all this stuff, it actually feels like racism’s almost over. Because this is the last—this is the act up before the sleep. They’re going crazy. They’re insane. You want to get rid of them—and the next thing you know, they’re f—-ing knocked out. And that’s what’s going on in the country right now.”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/07/04/chris-rock-tweets-sneer-happy-white-peoples-independence-day#ixzz1zfyUsIhU

[Missileman]

Roberts just handed them a powerful new weapon, the court sanctioned right to tax citizens for not buy a product or service! Now they can put a tax into any bill have it declared Constitutional according to Roberts's ruling. And it doesnt even have to be a declared tax bill! How's that for tyranny? Boston tea be damned! It was chump change compared to this outrageous travesty of justice and attack on our freedoms!-Tyr

Congress has had the power of taxation since it's inception...it's not a new power granted to them by the recent SCOTUS decision. Future taxation is going to have political consequences and any future "fees or penalties" the libs might have been planning will be correctly called a tax and imposing them will be perilous.

[red states rule]

Congress has had the power of taxation since it's inception...it's not a new power granted to them by the recent SCOTUS decision. Future taxation is going to have political consequences and any future "fees or penalties" the libs might have been planning will be correctly called a tax and imposing them will be perilous.

Now the Congress has the power to tax us if we engage in any activity or if we do not enagge in any activity

I guess it is now possible for government to tax us for breathing

[Missileman]

Now the Congress has the power to tax us if we engage in any activity or if we do not enagge in any activity

I guess it is now possible for government to tax us for breathing

You are of course free to abstain to avoid the tax.

[red states rule]

You are of course free to abstain to avoid the tax.

and as usual MM your snear just lights up any room to stagger into to

Have a happy 4th

[Missileman]

and as usual MM your snear just lights up any room to stagger into to

Have a happy 4th

Any light my snear might shine is obliterated by the shadow of your hyperbole.

[red states rule]

Any light my snear might shine is obliterated by the shadow of your hyperbole.

Yes, wishing death on people is always the most civil way you can express yourself - I do pity you MM

Of course you have always that shown that level of civility in most of your posts when someone offers a different POV

[Missileman]

Yes, wishing death on people is always the most civil way you can express yourself - I do pity you MM

Of course you have always that shown that level of civility in most of your posts when someone offers a different POV

And true to form, another post of pure exaggeration.

I didn't wish death on anyone.

And YOU saying anything about being uncivil when discussing those with a different POV is RICH! Seriously, you could pay off the national debt with that richness!

[red states rule]

And true to form, another post of pure exaggeration.

I didn't wish death on anyone.

And YOU saying anything about being uncivil when discussing those with a different POV is RICH! Seriously, you could pay off the national debt with that richness!

Yea, you post how I can avoid paying a tax on breathing by not breathing and you consider that civil?

You are from the Bob Beckel side of the civility today I see MM

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Congress has had the power of taxation since it's inception...it's not a new power granted to them by the recent SCOTUS decision. Future taxation is going to have political consequences and any future "fees or penalties" the libs might have been planning will be correctly called a tax and imposing them will be perilous.

Of course Congress has always held the right to tax. Has anybody here denied that fact????? However never before has it been so outrageously extended by the SCOTUS. Now Roberts's decision gives Court approval for taxes placed into bills to give greater security against overturning that bill by way of a Constitutional challenge and in addition it sanctions taxing for products/services not purchased! Furthermore according to Roberts said bill doesnt even have to be VOTED ON as a tax bill! What consequences and how does that do us much good if the consequences take many years to correct the problem? The point being that striking down the unconstitutional law was the court's duty and Roberts failed to carry out that duty! Why do so many dismiss the 4 judges that wanted to rule according to the Constitution in favor of one jackass that sided with the leftist/socialist worthless judges?-Tyr

[Missileman]

Of course Congress has always held the right to tax. Has anybody here denied that fact????? However never before has it been so outrageously extended by the SCOTUS. Now Roberts's decision gives Court approval for taxes placed into bills to give greater security against overturning that bill by way of a Constitutional challenge and in addition it sanctions taxing for products/services not purchased! Furthermore according to Roberts said bill doesnt even have to be VOTED ON as a tax bill! What consequences and how does that do us much good if the consequences take many years to correct the problem? The point being that striking down the unconstitutional law was the court's duty and Roberts failed to carry out that duty! Why do so many dismiss the 4 judges that wanted to rule according to the Constitution in favor of one jackass that sided with the leftist/socialist worthless judges?-Tyr

Can you post the Article and Clause from the constitution that makes a tax on a "product/service not purchased" un-constitutional? Mind you, I'm not saying I think it's right, I'm only asking you to justify un-constitutionality.

[Missileman]

Yea, you post how I can avoid paying a tax on breathing by not breathing and you consider that civil?

You are from the Bob Beckel side of the civility today I see MM

It was neither civil or uncivil, it was farcical...as farcical as your suggestion that taxes on breathing are in our future.

[red states rule]

It was neither civil or uncivil, it was farcical...as farcical as your suggestion that taxes on breathing are in our future.

The recent SC ruling opens the door for Congress to tax anything, any activity, regardless if you engage in the activity or not

Pardo me for not seeing the "humor" in your "farcical" post

[Missileman]

The recent SC ruling opens the door for Congress to tax anything, any activity, regardless if you engage in the activity or not

Pardo me for not seeing the "humor" in your "farcical" post

Let me say it again, S L O W L Y. Congress has had the power to tax anything, any activity, since it's inception. IT IS NOT a new power acquired by the SCOTUS ruling.

[cadet]

I copied and pasted my comment on time's comment page. I was kinda surprised how many people read it and liked it. There's hope after all! :salute:

[gabosaurus]

Dear RSR, I hope you realize that the Founding Fathers never intended for everyone to be equal. The only people that were equal were white men with wealth and property.
Yes, they were great men who accomplished great things. They declared independence from England, established a series of laws and rights and wrote such into some revered documents.
The Founding Fathers also intended that all wealthy men should stay wealthy. Women had no rights. Those of the wrong skin color, religious persuasion and ideology had no rights. The First Amendment forbid the establishment of any official church or religious viewpoint. They insisted that religion was a personal matter that states could not interfere with.
There is a thread on this forum that states that America was founded as a Christian nation, which could not be any further from the truth. America was founded as a free nation, not an equal one.

[cadet]

Dear RSR, I hope you realize that the Founding Fathers never intended for everyone to be equal. The only people that were equal were white men with wealth and property.
Yes, they were great men who accomplished great things. They declared independence from England, established a series of laws and rights and wrote such into some revered documents.
The Founding Fathers also intended that all wealthy men should stay wealthy. Women had no rights. Those of the wrong skin color, religious persuasion and ideology had no rights. The First Amendment forbid the establishment of any official church or religious viewpoint. They insisted that religion was a personal matter that states could not interfere with.
There is a thread on this forum that states that America was founded as a Christian nation, which could not be any further from the truth. America was founded as a free nation, not an equal one.

You idiot. Thomas Jefferson was one of those that was pushing for an end of slavery even back then. Some of the founders, you're right, but no where near all.
just one link of many i could give you.
http://americanfounding.blogspot.com/2010/08/all-men-are-created-equal-and-slavery.html

Also, i found this interesting thing this guy responded to me with,



You are correct it still does matter. Here is some information most people don't know about those who signed the Declaration of Independance and generated our Constitution:Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence ?Five signers were
captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary
Army; two other had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.
Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners;
men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence
knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the
British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.Thomas McKeam was so hounde by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his
family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted
the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown , Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a
few months.John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His
fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find
his wife dead and his children vanished.So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the
price they paid.

[gabosaurus]

I am not talking about the prices anyone of them paid. Countless thousands have paid the ultimate price over the last 200 years.

I was referring to their personal beliefs. There were founding fathers who opposed slavery, but owned slaves.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1269536/The-Founding-Fathers-and-Slavery

The framers of the Declaration of Independence declared freedom of religion, but tended to be closed minded concerning religion. The majority were of three main religious beliefs:

<tbody>
Episcopalian/Anglican

32
57.1%


Congregationalist
13
23.2%


Presbyterian
12
21.4%


</tbody>
http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html/

[DragonStryk72]

The framers were not gods and were not infallible. Yes, they gave us, and the world, a blueprint for the protection of democratic freedoms — freedom of speech, assembly, religion — but they also gave us the idea that a black person was three-fifths of a human being, that women were not allowed to vote and that South Dakota should have the same number of Senators as California, which is kind of crazy. And I'm not even going to mention the Electoral College. They did not give us income taxes. Or Prohibition. Those came later.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2079445,00.html#ixzz1zvB8QF3u


Figure I'll tackle this paragraph point-by-point. First off, black weren't not even counted as people in most slave-holding countries, period. We were the progressives of the world on that issue, so I don't see how it is that that's a mark against the Founders.

In most places in the world of the time, no one got to vote, period. Women here, however, could own property, putting us ahead, again, of most of the world of the time.

South Dakota does have the same number of Senators as California, though I don't see how the Founders had any say in that, since, well, neither was a part of the Union at the time. Oh right, we didn't own those yet.

The Electoral College. Of course they had the Electoral College back then. They'd didn't have the internet, phones, or even telegraphs, so how the fuck do you think they're getting the voting results together? It was the only way to make it a feasible plan.

You're right, there weren't income taxes, not until 1914... and? Income taxes have created a way to punish success, and reward mediocrity and failure. Not a step in the right direction.

As for Prohibition, yeah, pretty much everybody thought that sucked. End of story.


Americans have debated the Constitution since the day it was signed, but seldom have so many disagreed so fiercely about so much. Would it be unconstitutional to default on our debt? Should we have a balanced-budget amendment? Is it constitutional to ask illegal immigrants to carry documents?

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2079445,00.html#ixzz1zvDLOOtS



It isn't unconstitutional to default on our debt, but it's a bad fucking plan!

Yes, we should have a balanced budget amendment. You can't spend more than you earn, period.

It is as legal to ask illegal immigrants to carry ID while they are driving as it is to ask ordinary citizens to carry ID when they're driving.

[red states rule]

Dear RSR, I hope you realize that the Founding Fathers never intended for everyone to be equal. The only people that were equal were white men with wealth and property.
Yes, they were great men who accomplished great things. They declared independence from England, established a series of laws and rights and wrote such into some revered documents.
The Founding Fathers also intended that all wealthy men should stay wealthy. Women had no rights. Those of the wrong skin color, religious persuasion and ideology had no rights. The First Amendment forbid the establishment of any official church or religious viewpoint. They insisted that religion was a personal matter that states could not interfere with.
There is a thread on this forum that states that America was founded as a Christian nation, which could not be any further from the truth. America was founded as a free nation, not an equal one.


Yes Gabby I am aware of the history of slavery and I am amazed how libs like yuo always want top live in the past and ignore the present

I am also you are aware we had a Civil War where over 600,000 people died ending slavery

In the 1960's it was Dems who led the fight to oppose equal rights for blacks Gabby.Without republican votes, the Equal Rights bill would not have passed.It was Dems who opposed the Equal Rights Bill. (in fact Al Gore Sr voted against it) It was Dems who flew the Confederate flag over southern state capitals. But I know you are not interested in any of these facts

Most of the modern day race baiters look for any hint of racism (real or not) but ignore the racism shown from the left toward black conservatives. The racial slurs leveled at Justice Thomas, Michael Steele, Herman Cain, Condi Rice, Thomas Sowell, just to name a few - have come from liberals who claim they want to erase all racism from America

Also it has become a habit for these people to play the race card regardless of the issue. For the last 4 years I doubt if a day has gone by without some liberal somewhere bellowing how racist Amercia is despite the election of Pres Obama. Even if you opposed raising the debt ceiling, it was because Pres Obama was a black man (at least according to a liberal bimbo in Congress)

Bottom line is Gabby, yes Amercia made mistakes as jas every other country has. But for some reason libs always want to trash America and not express how great the counttry really is