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DragonStryk72
07-01-2012, 02:09 AM
I don't think I can say it better than this:
3548
"Let me get this straight... We're going to be 'gifted' with a health care plan we are forced to purchase, and fined if we dont, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a dumbo president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!"
SassyLady
07-01-2012, 05:36 AM
I don't think I can say it better than this:
3548
ditto
red states rule
07-01-2012, 05:40 AM
NY Times and MSDNCTV Lead Story
"Trump Makes Racist Comments Regarding Health Care Law"
I don't think I can say it better than this:
3548
How many times has he filed bankruptcy?
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 08:22 AM
How many times has he filed bankruptcy?
Does that change anything with what he stated in that paragraph? Can you dispute what he said in that paragraph?
red states rule
07-01-2012, 08:26 AM
Does that change anything with what he stated in that paragraph? Can you dispute what he said in that paragraph?
No is the clear answer to both questions Jim
Does that change anything with what he stated in that paragraph? Can you dispute what he said in that paragraph?
Goes towards his credibility.
Does that change anything with what he stated in that paragraph? Can you dispute what he said in that paragraph?
Hard to dispute personal opinion.
I think i'll wait till its implemented in 2014 and see what happens, I like to go on facts not the opinion of a guy who has filed bankruptcy.
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 08:36 AM
Goes towards his credibility.
A man worth millions and millions, and owns half of NYC, went through the bankruptcy processes, and now owns and is worth more than before... I'd say his knowledge on economics is fairly solid. Regardless, his paragraph was general in nature and I don't think WHO said it matters, it's the TRUTH of what is written that matters.
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 08:38 AM
Hard to dispute personal opinion.
I think i'll wait till its implemented in 2014 and see what happens, I like to go on facts not the opinion of a guy who has filed bankruptcy.
I will BOLD from the paragraph what he wrote that was factual. I will RED the opinions.
"Let me get this straight... We're going to be 'gifted' with a health care plan we are forced to purchase, and fined if we dont, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a dumbo president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!"
I will BOLD from the paragraph what he wrote that was factual. I will RED the opinions.
"Let me get this straight... We're going to be 'gifted' with a health care plan we are forced to purchase, and fined if we dont, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a dumbo president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!"
You know all the rest to be totally factual even though it has yet to be practiced?
A man worth millions and millions, and owns half of NYC, went through the bankruptcy processes, and now owns and is worth more than before... I'd say his knowledge on economics is fairly solid. Regardless, his paragraph was general in nature and I don't think WHO said it matters, it's the TRUTH of what is written that matters.
Nope, just the fact he filed bankruptcy gives doubt to his economic expertise.
red states rule
07-01-2012, 08:41 AM
You know all the rest to be totally factual even though it has yet to be practiced?
Please point out what is NOT factual in his statement
The black bolded part of his comment is 100% correct based on the FACTS
red states rule
07-01-2012, 08:43 AM
Nope, just the fact he filed bankruptcy gives doubt to his economic expertise.
His econmic expertise is much better then Obama's shitload of economic experience you were boasting about 4 years ago
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 08:45 AM
You know all the rest to be totally factual even though it has yet to be practiced?
Ummm... Yes. Like I said, pull out the parts you dispute if you like. But we are forced to purchase under this plan, or will in fact be fined. We've been told it will cover a minimum of 10 million more people. There is not a word in the act about adding new doctors. There is wording to add new IRS agents. The committee chairman has stated he didn't fully understand the act. Congress has exempted itself and further stated they didn't read the bill in its entirety before passing the act. The president does smoke. The treasury chief is guilty of failing to pay his taxes. The taxes do take effect prior to the act kicking in. Social Security and Medicare are in fact almost bankrupt, thats about the only stretch as they aren't fully and factually bankrupt as of yet. The surgeon general is a fat fuck. We are MUCH more broke then ever before, about $15 trillion in debt.
Please point out what is NOT factual in his statement
The black bolded part of his comment is 100% correct based on the FACTS
What facts? Has it been put into practice yet? no.
red states rule
07-01-2012, 08:49 AM
What facts? Has it been put into practice yet? no.
OCA does his Two Step Dance and avoids answering a direct question
Try reading his statement SLOWLY and try again
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 08:49 AM
What facts? Has it been put into practice yet? no.
The stuff pointed out doesn't need to be placed into practice to be factual. Do we need to place it into practice to know more IRS agents are going to be added? That the country is broke? That fines will be levied? That the act forces Americans to purchase?
Ummm... Yes. Like I said, pull out the parts you dispute if you like. But we are forced to purchase under this plan, or will in fact be fined. We've been told it will cover a minimum of 10 million more people. There is not a word in the act about adding new doctors. There is wording to add new IRS agents. The committee chairman has stated he didn't fully understand the act. Congress has exempted itself and further stated they didn't read the bill in its entirety before passing the act. The president does smoke. The treasury chief is guilty of failing to pay his taxes. The taxes do take effect prior to the act kicking in. Social Security and Medicare are in fact almost bankrupt, thats about the only stretch as they aren't fully and factually bankrupt as of yet. The surgeon general is a fat fuck. We are MUCH more broke then ever before, about $15 trillion in debt.
Whats wrong with forcing people to do the RIGHT thing? Do you Jimnyc like paying currently for the UNINSURED?
I know I don't.
Anyway if in fact it adds to the debt, so what? We are never going to get out of debt in this country, its over, finished has been for about 10+ years now, why fight it?
But you know what? The affordable care act is.....ta da! Constitutional.
The stuff pointed out doesn't need to be placed into practice to be factual. Do we need to place it into practice to know more IRS agents are going to be added? That the country is broke? That fines will be levied? That the act forces Americans to purchase?
Sure it does, i'll wait and see when its placed into action. Until then everything else is speculation.
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 08:51 AM
Whats wrong with forcing people to do the RIGHT thing? Do you Jimnyc like paying currently for the UNINSURED?
I know I don't.
Anyway if in fact it adds to the debt, so what? We are never going to get out of debt in this country, its over, finished has been for about 10+ years now, why fight it?
But you know what? The affordable care act is.....ta da! Constitutional.
Nope, the country just gets MORE aggressive when we get someone better in office, get rid of as many of the illegal cockroaches as possible, and work to repeal the tax. Ta da Constitutional!
red states rule
07-01-2012, 08:51 AM
Whats wrong with forcing people to do the RIGHT thing? Do you Jimnyc like paying currently for the UNINSURED?
I know I don't.
Anyway if in fact it adds to the debt, so what? We are never going to get out of debt in this country, its over, finished has been for about 10+ years now, why fight it?
But you know what? The affordable care act is.....ta da! Constitutional.
Constitutional until REPEALED
So we are so far in debt lets run up some more? Is that how you run your budget OCA?
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 08:52 AM
Sure it does, i'll wait and see when its placed into action. Until then everything else is speculation.
Whew, I'm glad we have you here onboard. For a few days there I could have sworn that we were told we would HAVE to buy health insurance or face fines. I'm glad it's only speculation at this point.
OCA does his Two Step Dance and avoids answering a direct question
Try reading his statement SLOWLY and try again
Has it been put into practice yet? Yes or no will suffice, we've had enough of your senior double speak to last a few years.
Nope, the country just gets MORE aggressive when we get someone better in office, get rid of as many of the illegal cockroaches as possible, and work to repeal the tax. Ta da Constitutional!
Not gonna happen, you know that and I know that, in fact you've agreed to that point on many different occasions in conversations with me.
The debt and taxes will go up no matter who is in office, illegals are here to stay and things will only get shittier.
Whew, I'm glad we have you here onboard. For a few days there I could have sworn that we were told we would HAVE to buy health insurance or face fines. I'm glad it's only speculation at this point.
No that is not speculation......thats the best part of the bill!
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 08:56 AM
Not gonna happen, you know that and I know that, in fact you've agreed to that point on many different occasions in conversations with me.
The debt and taxes will go up no matter who is in office, illegals are here to stay and things will only get shittier.
House stays the same. Take over just what, 2 seats in senate? And then if Romney should win the WH - bye bye healthcare tax and all of this is for nothing.
House stays the same. Take over just what, 2 seats in senate? And then if Romney should win the WH - bye bye healthcare tax and all of this is for nothing.
Trust me, there will be some other new tax, there always is, taxes never go down, doesn't matter who is in office.
Tell me i'm wrong on that one.
There are a lot of "ifs" you guys are banking on.
Tell me what in the last 30-40 yrs tells you that things are all of a sudden drastically going to change with a "D" or "R" in office?
cadet
07-01-2012, 09:04 AM
Trust me, there will be some other new tax, there always is, taxes never go down, doesn't matter who is in office.
Tell me i'm wrong on that one.
Believe it or not, the entire view of the republican party is to get ride of stupid tax's and lower gov't. let us be in charge, and you'd be surprised at how great this country becomes ;)
CockySOB
07-01-2012, 09:31 AM
Whats wrong with forcing people to do the RIGHT thing? Do you Jimnyc like paying currently for the UNINSURED?
I know I don't.
Anyway if in fact it adds to the debt, so what? We are never going to get out of debt in this country, its over, finished has been for about 10+ years now, why fight it?
But you know what? The affordable care act is.....ta da! Constitutional.
Actually, only the individual mandate (mandatory minimum coverage penalty) has been ruled Constitutional at this point. That is a point the Chief Justice made very clear in the first paragraph of the ruling of the court. And of course the Medicaid expansion was ruled unconstitutional. Oh snap!
CockySOB
07-01-2012, 09:40 AM
Believe it or not, the entire view of the republican party is to get ride of stupid tax's and lower gov't. let us be in charge, and you'd be surprised at how great this country becomes ;)
Not exactly. There are progressives in both of the big parties (Republicans and Democrats) who are all for growing the federal government. This is not new, in fact it goes back to the early 1900's. We still have progressives in the Republican party who are more than willing to grow the federal government - nothing like exists in the Democrats to be sure, but there nonetheless.
taft2012
07-01-2012, 09:40 AM
and signed by a dumbo president
I believe that's a reference to Obama's big ears.
So it stands as fact.
cadet
07-01-2012, 10:17 AM
Not exactly. There are progressives in both of the big parties (Republicans and Democrats) who are all for growing the federal government. This is not new, in fact it goes back to the early 1900's. We still have progressives in the Republican party who are more than willing to grow the federal government - nothing like exists in the Democrats to be sure, but there nonetheless.
Ok, how about we change "Republican" in my sentence to "Tea party."
CockySOB
07-01-2012, 10:20 AM
Ok, how about we change "Republican" in my sentence to "Tea party."
As a Tea Partier myself, and as a speaker at several local/regional Tea Party rallies, that works for me.
Abbey Marie
07-01-2012, 11:40 AM
I don't think I can say it better than this:
...
"Let me get this straight... We're going to be 'gifted' with a health care plan we are forced to purchase, and fined if we dont, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a dumbo president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!"
THAT is just a whole lot of awesome right there. :clap:
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-01-2012, 12:09 PM
I will BOLD from the paragraph what he wrote that was factual. I will RED the opinions.
"Let me get this straight... We're going to be 'gifted' with a health care plan we are forced to purchase, and fined if we dont, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a dumbo president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!"
Several million Americans disagree with you Jim. The are sure that the bolded in red is fact too!-:salute:-Tyr
aboutime
07-01-2012, 01:26 PM
And a HUGE 'Amen' as well. Very well put, and the TRUTH always wins!
Believe it or not, the entire view of the republican party is to get ride of stupid tax's and lower gov't. let us be in charge, and you'd be surprised at how great this country becomes ;)
In 2001 W takes over with Repub controlled Congress and a surplus, within 2 years we are running a deficit again, wanna rethink that?
Actually, only the individual mandate (mandatory minimum coverage penalty) has been ruled Constitutional at this point. That is a point the Chief Justice made very clear in the first paragraph of the ruling of the court. And of course the Medicaid expansion was ruled unconstitutional. Oh snap!
Don't care about medicaid, The affordable care act is ruled constitutional by the highest court in the land.....story over.
aboutime
07-01-2012, 01:30 PM
Actually, only the individual mandate (mandatory minimum coverage penalty) has been ruled Constitutional at this point. That is a point the Chief Justice made very clear in the first paragraph of the ruling of the court. And of course the Medicaid expansion was ruled unconstitutional. Oh snap!
Wonder if OCA realizes that WE ALL..already are paying Our Tax Dollars, without question, to those who live, and die, dependent upon Welfare, Food Stamps, and every other FREEBIE the govt. offers to those who need, and want the American Socialist system to succeed.
Not exactly. There are progressives in both of the big parties (Republicans and Democrats) who are all for growing the federal government. This is not new, in fact it goes back to the early 1900's. We still have progressives in the Republican party who are more than willing to grow the federal government - nothing like exists in the Democrats to be sure, but there nonetheless.
Name the last time the government actually shrunk.
aboutime
07-01-2012, 01:32 PM
Name the last time the government actually shrunk.
The last time government actually shrank in any way, was the day Bill and Hillary moved out of the White House.
The SHRINKING only lasted as long as it took for Bill and Hillary to LOAD UP THE TRUCKS and Move to Bubbaville in Arkansas, with offices in Harlem New York.
And the Shrinking never returned.
The last time government actually shrank in any way, was the day Bill and Hillary moved out of the White House.
The SHRINKING only lasted as long as it took for Bill and Hillary to LOAD UP THE TRUCKS and Move to Bubbaville in Arkansas, with offices in Harlem New York.
And the Shrinking never returned.
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jimnyc
07-01-2012, 02:09 PM
In 2001 W takes over with Repub controlled Congress and a surplus, within 2 years we are running a deficit again, wanna rethink that?
When GWB took office, the country was in debt by about $5 trillion dollars. - http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
When GWB took office, the country was in debt by about $5 trillion dollars. - http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/
If you check that out i'm pretty sure that Clinton was pres in 98-99
jimnyc
07-01-2012, 02:42 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/
If you check that out i'm pretty sure that Clinton was pres in 98-99
And if you check mine out, you will see it's the federal DEBT from 2000, which is NOT a surplus when GWB came to office. You are speaking of the federal deficit, which is different. When GWB took office, as per data direct from the treasury, the national debt was at $5 trillion dollars.
CockySOB
07-01-2012, 03:21 PM
Don't care about medicaid, The affordable care act is ruled constitutional by the highest court in the land.....story over.
:lol:
The story's over only for the most simple-minded of partisans bereft of even the most basic reading comprehension... well, I guess that explains your continued insistence that the story is over. And while you run around yelling, "la-lal-la-la," regarding the Medicaid expansion you might remember that the expansion WAS part of the PPACA. But then that would destroy your narrative, wouldn't it. (Notice that wasn't a question, but rather a rhetorical statement.) So you keep on believing whatever makes you happy, sunshine! Those of us not plagued with delusions (sub-par levels of reading comprehension) will continue with the mature and realistic understanding that the only part of the PPACA which was upheld was the individual mandate. The rest of it (minus the enforcement power of the Medicaid expansion program of course) hasn't been looked at... yet.
DragonStryk72
07-01-2012, 07:15 PM
Whats wrong with forcing people to do the RIGHT thing? Do you Jimnyc like paying currently for the UNINSURED?
I know I don't.
Anyway if in fact it adds to the debt, so what? We are never going to get out of debt in this country, its over, finished has been for about 10+ years now, why fight it?
But you know what? The affordable care act is.....ta da! Constitutional.
What part of this aren't you getting, oca? we will still have both medicare and medicaid, which "count" as insurance, so yes, you will still be paying for the uninsured.
aboutime
07-01-2012, 07:40 PM
:lol:
The story's over only for the most simple-minded of partisans bereft of even the most basic reading comprehension... well, I guess that explains your continued insistence that the story is over. And while you run around yelling, "la-lal-la-la," regarding the Medicaid expansion you might remember that the expansion WAS part of the PPACA. But then that would destroy your narrative, wouldn't it. (Notice that wasn't a question, but rather a rhetorical statement.) So you keep on believing whatever makes you happy, sunshine! Those of us not plagued with delusions (sub-par levels of reading comprehension) will continue with the mature and realistic understanding that the only part of the PPACA which was upheld was the individual mandate. The rest of it (minus the enforcement power of the Medicaid expansion program of course) hasn't been looked at... yet.
Let them feel their Oats, get their gratification, and the constant HIGH FIVES as long as they feel a need to do so.
They need the story to be over. Sounding just like Obama, and all of his easily led, and easily fooled followers.
Remember how the STORY WAS OVER, the night Obama was declared a Winner?
Why. Millions of excited Americans who believed in HOPE, and CHANGE, and of course. OBAMA BUCKS. Thought his election was even greater than SLICED BREAD.
Problem is now. As they celebrate. It's like being a member of a DEAF CHOIR, and everybody in the CHOIR is wearing blindfolds.
That's TWO....As in DEAF, and BLIND. And everyone knows what the THIRD one is.
aboutime
07-01-2012, 07:42 PM
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Good for you. Your IQ now matches your 'Z's
red states rule
07-02-2012, 05:02 AM
Good for you. Your IQ now matches your 'Z's
You are giving him way to much credit Aboutime :laugh2:
red states rule
07-02-2012, 05:03 AM
What part of this aren't you getting, oca? we will still have both medicare and medicaid, which "count" as insurance, so yes, you will still be paying for the uninsured.
and the illegals - also known as Undocumented Democrats
logroller
07-02-2012, 06:04 AM
I'd like to get a constitutional ruling on Trump's hair.
red states rule
07-02-2012, 07:56 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FqQEHPUq6Zc/SoBQ5-pJO8I/AAAAAAAAIX4/wgX4tKoFkck/s400/obama-health-reform.gif
jimnyc
07-02-2012, 10:49 AM
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/
If you check that out i'm pretty sure that Clinton was pres in 98-99
And if you check mine out, you will see it's the federal DEBT from 2000, which is NOT a surplus when GWB came to office. You are speaking of the federal deficit, which is different. When GWB took office, as per data direct from the treasury, the national debt was at $5 trillion dollars.
Mike, saw you online, still curious to your thoughts on this.
red states rule
07-02-2012, 10:53 AM
Mike, saw you online, still curious to your thoughts on this.
His silence explaines his thoughts Jim - at least to me it does
fj1200
07-03-2012, 10:15 AM
Hard to dispute personal opinion.
I think i'll wait till its implemented in 2014 and see what happens, I like to go on facts not the opinion of a guy who has filed bankruptcy.
It's already being implemented.
ConHog
07-03-2012, 10:19 AM
This is a guy who stole Cosmo Spacely's catch phrase in order to become a celebrity. The source SHOULD be considered.
fj1200
07-03-2012, 10:23 AM
OCA does his Two Step Dance and avoids answering a direct question
Try reading his statement SLOWLY and try again
Pot, meet kettle.
Constitutional until REPEALED
Still constitutional, just repealed.
DragonStryk72
07-03-2012, 10:24 AM
Pot, meet kettle.
Still constitutional, just repealed.
so then slavery is constitutional still?
fj1200
07-03-2012, 10:30 AM
Name the last time the government actually shrunk.
You first.
fj1200
07-03-2012, 10:34 AM
so then slavery is constitutional still?
No, see the 13th Amendment. Something can be constitutional and still not be the law of the land. Congress will still have the taxing power shown to be constitutional even if not utilized.
ConHog
07-03-2012, 10:36 AM
Pot, meet kettle.
Still constitutional, just repealed.
WUTT? No the SCOTUS got it wrong, this bill isn't constitutional, just you wait and see.
jimnyc
07-03-2012, 03:32 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/
If you check that out i'm pretty sure that Clinton was pres in 98-99
And if you check mine out, you will see it's the federal DEBT from 2000, which is NOT a surplus when GWB came to office. You are speaking of the federal deficit, which is different. When GWB took office, as per data direct from the treasury, the national debt was at $5 trillion dollars.
OCA?? This is starting to look like one of those statements like "Clinton's don't lose elections".
fj1200
07-03-2012, 03:36 PM
OCA?? This is starting to look like one of those statements like "Clinton's don't lose elections".
And which ignores two things, 1. Which party was in control of Congress at the time, and 2. that doesn't show that the government actually shrank.
And which ignores two things, 1. Which party was in control of Congress at the time, and 2. that doesn't show that the government actually shrank.
So if its a Republican congress and Dem pres the congress gets the credit and if its a Republican president and Dem congress the congress gets the blame............sweet.
fj1200
07-03-2012, 03:44 PM
So if its a Republican congress and Dem pres the congress gets the credit and if its a Republican president and Dem congress the congress gets the blame............sweet.
No. Just pointing out what you were missing. Bush and the Republican Congress in the '00s did a horrible job in restraining government growth. Clinton didn't come in as a deficit cutting/government restraining POTUS, Congress after '94 did.
jimnyc
07-03-2012, 03:52 PM
No. Just pointing out what you were missing.
That, and the fact that he doesn't understand the difference between a budget surplus and the national debt.
red states rule
07-04-2012, 06:30 AM
WUTT? No the SCOTUS got it wrong, this bill isn't constitutional, just you wait and see.
You should worship the ground John Roberts walks on CH. He put the image of the COurt ahead of the US Constitution. His legacy ahead of the law. And reports are he wrote parts of BOTH the majority and dissent
He is a bigger middle of the roader then you are
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