The Most Racist Article I've Seen

[Kathianne]

No surprise, pro-Obama:


When it Comes to Politics, Are We More Racist Than We Think?By Lylah M. Alphonse, Senior Editor, (http://shine.yahoo.com/blogs/author/lylah-m-alphonse-senior-editor-yahoo-shine-ycn-1137221/;_ylt=At63szETric4JGHhKw6XSsahfqU5;_ylu=X3oDMTFhcX N2cGY1BG1pdANCbG9nUG9zdEhlYWRlcgRwb3MDMwRzZWMDTWVk aWFCbG9nSGVhZA--;_ylg=X3oDMTJzMjlhaTYyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDZDQ4YjNmYWEtY2Q4Mi0zM2EyLTk5NzQtNWJiMGQ3M2 NjZDFkBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JrbW9uZXkEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdl;_yl v=3)

People are usually reluctant to admit their real feelings in surveys (http://yhoo.it/MvX6cM), but there's no doubt that our experiences and our prejudices (http://yhoo.it/KZUHLX) play a part in the way we vote. In order to figure out whether racial bias (http://yhoo.it/NtoTiO) affected Barack Obama's results in the 2008 presidential election, Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, a doctoral candidate in economics at Harvard University, passed over easy-to-manipulate surveys and looked at data from another source: online searches.

When most people are searching for information online, they're likely to be alone and less likely to censor their thoughts, he explains. "You may have typed things into Google that you would hesitate to admit in polite company," he writes in a New York Times article (http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/how-racist-are-we-ask-google/). "I certainly have. The majority of Americans have as well: We Google the word 'porn' more often than the word 'weather'."

He chose a common racial insult that starts with "N" and looked for searches that used the singular and plural forms of the word. "The most common searches including the epithet… return websites with derogatory material about African-Americans," he writes in his study (http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/%7Esstephen/papers/RacialAnimusAndVotingSethStephensDavidowitz.pdf). "The top hits for the top racially charged searches are nearly all textbook examples of antilocution, a majority group's sharing stereotype-based jokes using coarse language outside a minority group's presence."

That held true for searches from 2004 through 2007 (searches for "n**ga" led mostly to rap lyrics, which he disregarded for this study). "I used data from 2004 to 2007 because I wanted a measure not directly influenced by feelings toward Mr. Obama," he writes in the New York Times.

But from 2008 on, he discovered, "Obama" was one of the most prevalent search terms in racially tinged online searches.

After gathering information on the racially charged search queries, Stephens-Davidowitz took a look at voting data from around the country and compared each area's 2008 results, when Obama was running for president, to voting results from 2004, when all of the candidates were white.

Though many people believe that our first African-American president won the election thanks in part to increased turnout by African-American voters, Stephens-Davidowitz's research shows that those votes only added about 1 percentage point to Obama's totals. "In the general election, this effect was comparatively minor," he concludes. But in areas with high racial search rates, the fact that Obama is African American worked against him, sometimes significantly.

"The results imply that, relative to the most racially tolerant areas in the United States, prejudice cost Obama between 3.1 percentage points and 5.0 percentage points of the national popular vote," Stephens-Davidowitz points out in his study. "This implies racial animus gave Obama's opponent roughly the equivalent of a home-state advantage country-wide."

"Any votes Obama gained due to his race in the general election were not nearly enough to outweigh the cost of racial animus, meaning race was a large net negative for Obama," he adds...
Far be it for me to call BS on the parameters of this post. Anyone wish to chime in?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No surprise, pro-Obama:


Far be it for me to call BS on the parameters of this post. Anyone wish to chime in?

I will gladly. Its utter and pure bullshit served up with a heaping dose of bamboy slime.
Obama got , I believe I recall a bit over 93% of the black vote.
Typical propaganda that is played with the obvious thought that everybody is as gullible as the many simplemind bots that voted for him the first time!
A great miscalculation for sure.. --Tyr

[ConHog]

No surprise, pro-Obama:


Far be it for me to call BS on the parameters of this post. Anyone wish to chime in?

Ive no doubt 5% of the population didnt vote for obama because hes black. Ive also no doubt that 10% voted for him because hes black. Whats that you say? The article failed to mention that? Purely an oversight im sure

[fj1200]

I will gladly. Its utter and pure bullshit served up with a heaping dose of bamboy slime.
Obama got , I believe I recall a bit over 93% of the black vote.
Typical propaganda that is played with the obvious thought that everybody is as gullible as the many simplemind bots that voted for him the first time!
A great miscalculation for sure.. --Tyr

Any Democrat gets 90+% of the black vote.

[Kathianne]

It seems I forgot a link, my apologies:

http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/comes-politics-more-racist-think-185600847.html

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Any Democrat gets 90+% of the black vote.

Nice of you to notice that. Say, what would they call it if whites voted in a 90+ % block like that?
Can you say Racism ? Since the majority of Republican candidates are not black they would be crying racism
everytime. It is actually racism on thier part because they tend to vote for the party(dem) that placates their racial demands rather than for the candidate that would be better for the office and the advancement of our society.--Tyr

[fj1200]

It's not racist if they're voting for whitey.

[Thunderknuckles]

Perfect example of someone muddying up the waters to reach a predetermined conclusion. Liberals just can't help themselves in playing the race card when it comes to Obama.
Here's the basics from someone with only a high school diploma:
The racial breakdown for the 2008 election was as follows:
Whites: 76.3%
Blacks: 12.4%
Hispanics: 7.4%
Asians: 2.5%

Now you tell me how an African American gets elected President by racist white people who control 76.3% of the vote?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/racial-ethnic-voters-presidential-election

[cadet]

Perfect example of someone muddying up the waters to reach a predetermined conclusion. Liberals just can't help themselves in playing the race card when it comes to Obama.
Here's the basics from someone with only a high school diploma:
The racial breakdown for the 2008 election was as follows:
Whites: 76.3%
Blacks: 12.4%
Hispanics: 7.4%
Asians: 2.5%

Now you tell me how an African American gets elected President by racist white people who control 76.3% of the vote?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/racial-ethnic-voters-presidential-election

How about we all just agree that everyone who voted for him was a moron? :rolleyes:

[Thunderknuckles]

How about we all just agree that everyone who voted for him was a moron? :rolleyes:
Because that would make me a moron?
:salute:

[Esox]

No surprise, pro-Obama:


Far be it for me to call BS on the parameters of this post. Anyone wish to chime in?
How did this research manage to screen for people who were looking up material to post on Fight the Smears or Attack Watch, from web searches of the alleged racists?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

How about we all just agree that everyone who voted for him was a moron? :rolleyes:

I had always thought that was a given!-:beer:
If not moron at least very, very gullible.. Then again there was that feeling of making history as well. --Tyr

[ConHog]

Because that would make me a moron?
:salute:

What? How DARE you have independent thought and have voted for the candidate you thought best suited for the job

/sarcasm

[Abbey Marie]

So now we are racist even when a black is elected President? I think we've now seen it all.

[Thunderknuckles]

What? How DARE you have independent thought and have voted for the candidate you thought best suited for the job

/sarcasm
In all fairness, it's a decision I have come to regret heavily.

[ConHog]

In all fairness, it's a decision I have come to regret heavily.

That doesn't mean you were a moron when you did vote for him. Now , obviously there were some morons who voted for him, no doubt though some morons also voted against him. :coffee:

[DragonStryk72]

How did this research manage to screen for people who were looking up material to post on Fight the Smears or Attack Watch, from web searches of the alleged racists?

Or how about, say, college students studying black history. The word does come up in that class.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It's not racist if they're voting for whitey.

No, it is not racist when one ignores race and votes for the best candidate based upon the ability, honor and past record of that candidate. All those are tossed when blacks vote as a monolithic block to advance the cash flow /government freebies back to blacks! That is called selling one's vote. Voting strictly for one's self interests is a damn good way to destroy a culture and a nation. Blacks have been doing it for decades now and the dem plan is to get the mexicans to do the same. When they join forces they will cause major destruction to this nation by playing that little voting game and quite likely this Republic will fall. -Tyr

[fj1200]

That is called selling one's vote.

So it's not racism then?

[ConHog]

So it's not racism then?

Only when bam bam supporters do it.


:poke:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So it's not racism then?

Actually because they are selling their vote with the ideal that it is to get blacks what they want as a group it is racism too. I've never heard them say Im voting dem so they can give whitey money and freebies. They say so they can give "we blacks" money and feebies. Dem programming and it has been going on for at least 4 decades.-Tyr

[fj1200]

^So whose race is superior then?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Only when bam bam supporters do it.


:poke:

Whiteys arent voting as a monolitic block or havent you noticed?
Blacks vote with thier race in mind , whites more often vote with the country and its future in mind. Most whites understand that we have to do so in order to give the blessings of this great nation to our children and grandchildren! Of course libs no matter thier race are deluded enough to vote for Marxist/Socialist causes. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

^So whose race is superior then?

That would be the human race of course!
You've likely heard about them havent ya?-;)--Tyr

[fj1200]

That would be the human race of course!
You've likely heard about them havent ya?-;)--Tyr

Nice dodge.

[ConHog]

Actually because they are selling their vote with the ideal that it is to get blacks what they want as a group it is racism too. I've never heard them say Im voting dem so they can give whitey money and freebies. They say so they can give "we blacks" money and feebies. Dem programming and it has been going on for at least 4 decades.-Tyr

Just silly. Of course voters are going to vote for who they think will give them what they want. Do you see vegans voting for hunters?

[ConHog]

Whiteys arent voting as a monolitic block or havent you noticed?
Blacks vote with thier race in mind , whites more often vote with the country and its future in mind. Most whites understand that we have to do so in order to give the blessings of this great nation to our children and grandchildren! Of course libs no matter thier race are deluded enough to vote for Marxist/Socialist causes. -Tyr

I see, you're a racist.

Can you also tell me how Hispanics vote so I can inform my wife how she should vote?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Nice dodge.

I do not have a dodge. Once had 1973 Dodge Charger SE bought it new off the showroom floor. My first new car bought three weeks after marrying my first wife. The car turned out to be more reliable and easier to handle too.:laugh:

[ConHog]

I do not have a dodge. Once had 1973 Dodge Charger SE bought it new off the showroom floor. My first car bought three weeks after marrying my first wife. The car turned out to be more reliable and easier to handle too.:laugh:

Do you have anything to add to any discussion that is not an insult, platitude, talking point , or dodge?

[fj1200]

I see, you're a racist.

I don't know, does his usage fit the definition of racism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism)?



a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among thevarious human races (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race) determine cultural or individualachievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race) is superior and has the right to rule others.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I see, you're a racist.

Can you also tell me how Hispanics vote so I can inform my wife how she should vote?

Nothing racist about the those words of mine that you just bolded.
You are just a bit mixed up there hoss.
A good possibility that when you grow up you find that out..
By the way Im white and my wife is filipina = my son half/half, three of my nieces are white/mexican and my older sister's husband is mexican. My best friend is married to a Korean lady and my nephew is married to a FINE lady from Thailand. We all get along just fine but I look for trouble now that you've made me understand just how racist I am! I just never knew . Astounding just how perceptive you are! -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Do you have anything to add to any discussion that is not an insult, platitude, talking point , or dodge?

First insult came from you or can't you read your own handiwork?
My first comments were about race and the subject matter.
If you pull that stick out of your ass long enough to sit down you can perhaps act like a decent person. Just a suggestion and I know it's wasted ,but hey , I think you show great promise.:laugh2:-Tyr

[ConHog]

Nothing racist about the those words of mine that you just bolded.
You are just a bit mixed up there hoss.
A good possibility that when you grow up you find that out..
By the way Im white and my wife is filipina = my son half/half, three of my nieces are white/mexican and my older sister's husband is mexican. My best friend is married to a Korean lady and my nephew is married to a FINE lady from Thailand. We all get along just fine but I look for trouble now that you've made me understand just how racist I am! I just never knew . Astounding just how perceptive you are! -Tyr

I didn't say you're a racist - YOU did


Whiteys arent voting as a monolitic block or havent you noticed?
Blacks vote with thier race in mind , whites more often vote with the country and its future in mind. Most whites understand that we have to do so in order to give the blessings of this great nation to our children and grandchildren! Of course libs no matter thier race are deluded enough to vote for Marxist/Socialist causes. -Tyr


Suggesting that blacks as a group are stupid and don't look at the big picture like whites do is certainly racist.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I see, you're a racist.
Can you also tell me how Hispanics vote so I can inform my wife how she should vote?

^^^ See bolded words above, your words and tell me again that you didnt say I was a racist..
I truly can not tell if you are a bigger liar or a bigger asshole but neither is admirable..

[ConHog]

^^^ See bolded words above, your words and tell me again that you didnt say I was a racist..
I truly can not tell if you are a bigger liar or a bigger asshole but neither is admirable..

I didn't say you were a racist . I merely drew a conclusion from your own words.

Actually, it is no different than you reading my posts and declaring that I am an asshole.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I didn't say you were a racist . I merely drew a conclusion from your own words.

Actually, it is no different than you reading my posts and declaring that I am an asshole.

You play word games like a little teenage girl. I bet you have to squat to take a whiz.
Do you get a government check for a disability?
You know they give checks for that kind of stupid, right? If you didnt go get your fair share.-:laugh:

[ConHog]

You play word games like a little teenage girl. I bet you have to squat to take a whiz.
Do you get a government check for a disability?
You know they give checks for that kind of stupid, right? If you didnt go get your fair share.-:laugh:

If I'm the stupid one explain to me the fundamental difference between reading someone's posts and saying "you're posts prove you're a racist" and reading someone's posts and saying "your own posts prove you're an asshole"

Or "your posts prove you're stupid" for that matter.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I didn't say you were a racist . I merely drew a conclusion from your own words.

Actually, it is no different than you reading my posts and declaring that I am an asshole.

Your words and now you want to do a Clinton type word play defense.
You are clearly either very stupid, illiterate or delusional.
Exactly what does, "you're racist" mean then genius?
Lets post it like this , because "you're racist = "you are racist" .
Now read your words bolded above.
I'd say delusional may best describe you..-Tyr

[ConHog]

anyway moving on.

For sure there are some racists who voted for Obama and some racists who voted against Obama.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If I'm the stupid one explain to me the fundamental difference between reading someone's posts and saying "you're posts prove you're a racist" and reading someone's posts and saying "your own posts prove you're an asshole"

Or "your posts prove you're stupid" for that matter.


Well for one thing "assholes" is pretty generic term because everybody has one. Just your misfortunate to actually be one.
However saying directly that a person is a "racist" (more correctly= "you're racist" ) simply because they spoke a political truth about blacks voting in a monolithic and sold out way is laughable . Even more so when that individual's personal life proves that just the opposite is true but hey why let facts get in your way , right?-Tyr

[logroller]

So it's not racism then?
Suppose that would depend on whether the vote counted for 2/3s or not.

[ConHog]

Suppose that would depend on whether the vote counted for 2/3s or not.

I get the feeling some would love for the days when a black man didnt get to vote but counted for 2/3 of a man when figuring congressional representation would return

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I get the feeling some would love for the days when a black man didnt get to vote but counted for 2/3 of a man when figuring congressional representation would return

Chris Matthews was much acclaimed for getting those same kind of feelings dude.
Perhaps a long consultation with him and you two can find the right doc.-:laugh:
Just be sure when the doc is checking your bumhole that he doesnt also have both hands on your shoulders!:laugh2:

[logroller]

Chris Matthews was much acclaimed for getting those same kind of feelings dude.
Perhaps a long consultation with him and you two can find the right doc.-:laugh:
Just be sure when the doc is checking your bumhole that he doesnt also have both hands on your shoulders!:laugh2:
That's relevant.

[ConHog]

That's relevant.

Its all he has. About two hours into being a member here he realized he doesn't have the horsepower to keep up with serious discussion so he switched to troll mode.

You damn well know if i report you for excessive flaming youve went too far:lol:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That's relevant.

Sure is but my advice he is likely to ignore. I mean two hands on the shoulder beats one hand dancing to a Penthouse late at night and the doc can help him if he should get pregnant .-:laugh:
Hell, I suspect that even Chris Matthews MAY --GIVE HIM A HAND OR TWO! -:laugh2:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Its all he has. About two hours into being a member here he realized he doesn't have the horsepower to keep up with serious discussion so he switched to troll mode.

You damn well know if i report you for excessive flaming youve went too far:lol:

Now you want to whine like a baby after all the trash you've spit out lately.
After I tried to be civil three seperate times with you and you spat on my efforts.
Well cry kid cry.
Go cry to somebody , let's see your true colors shall we?-Tyr

[logroller]

Sure is but my advice he is likely to ignore. I mean two hands on the shoulder beats one hand dancing to a Penthouse late at night and the doc can help him if he should get pregnant .-:laugh:
Hell, I suspect that even Chris Matthews MAY --GIVE HIM A HAND OR TWO! -:laugh2:--Tyr I've let loose here a time or two, so no judgement, but there comes a time when you either lighten up or take it to the cage.

[ConHog]

I've let loose here a time or two, so no judgement, but there comes a time when you either lighten up or take it to the cage.

For some reason he imagines derailing every thread to "get" me will endear him around here.

Hell,maybe hes right.

[Thunderknuckles]

No, it is not racist when one ignores race and votes for the best candidate based upon the ability, honor and past record of that candidate. All those are tossed when blacks vote as a monolithic block... -Tyr
While Tyr can be fairly caustic in his replies, I'm going to go on record with agreeing with this statement. Not sure what started the fight with ConHog and logroller but what Tyr said in this case is true. How else do you explain the re-elections of Marion Barry, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson Jr, John Conyers, John Lewis...and the list goes on and on. These folks, once elected, have never been booted out of office despite doing little for their constituencies. The most humorous example is Marion Barry who served 3 terms as Mayor of D.C., got busted for coke and whores, served 2 years in prison, came out and ran for Mayor again and fucking won by defeating his opponent Carol Shwartz (a white female). The bastard got caught again with coke, ran again for office and won yet again!!
No racism there right?

[ConHog]

While Tyr can be fairly caustic in his replies, I'm going to go on record with agreeing with this statement. Not sure what started the fight with ConHog and logroller but what Tyr said in this case is true. How else do you explain the re-elections of Marion Barry, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson Jr, John Conyers, John Lewis...and the list goes on and on. These folks, once elected, have never been booted out of office despite doing little for their constituencies. The most humorous example is Marion Barry who served 3 terms as Mayor of D.C., got busted for coke and whores, served 2 years in prison, came out and ran for Mayor again and fucking won by defeating his opponent Carol Shwartz (a white female). The bastard got caught again with coke, ran again for office and won yet again!!
No racism there right?

But its not alll, or even most, black people and there are white racist voters out there as well contrary to tyr's beliefs

[logroller]

While Tyr can be fairly caustic in his replies, I'm going to go on record with agreeing with this statement. Not sure what started the fight with ConHog and logroller but what Tyr said in this case is true. How else do you explain the re-elections of Marion Barry, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson Jr, John Conyers, John Lewis...and the list goes on and on. These folks, once elected, have never been booted out of office despite doing little for their constituencies. The most humorous example is Marion Barry who served 3 terms as Mayor of D.C., got busted for coke and whores, served 2 years in prison, came out and ran for Mayor again and fucking won by defeating his opponent Carol Shwartz (a white female). The bastard got caught again with coke, ran again for office and won yet again!!
No racism there right?
See now this is how rumors get started-- I'm not in any fight with anyone. I merely commented that anal sex and jerking off weren't relevant to the discussion.

I wouldn't say Marion berry's being elected is overtly racist-- maybe his constituents just empathize with a crackhead sex addict. No different than me voting for a environmental conservative. White or not.

[Gaffer]

But its not alll, or even most, black people and there are white racist voters out there as well contrary to tyr's beliefs

Show me a white racist holding office that publicly espouses his racism.

[fj1200]

Show me a white racist holding office that publicly espouses his racism.

Show a black one that espouses his racism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism).

[fj1200]

Now you want to whine like a baby after all the trash you've spit out lately.
After I tried to be civil three seperate times with you and you spat on my efforts.
Well cry kid cry.
Go cry to somebody , let's see your true colors shall we?-Tyr

Why are you letting someone else determine your actions?

[fj1200]

No racism there right?

Not really, the relevant question is why do blacks vote for pro-government candidates at such a high rate? The black vote had been historically Republican until FDR when it moved over to the Democrat party.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Why are you letting someone else determine your actions?

A simple answer really. I do not suffer fools gladly. I'm well aware that one's ability to stop such people from attempting to badger one is severely limited on the internet but that doesn't mean I have to just sit back and take it. I like to speak up when somebody is trying to belittle me and use me for a whipping boy. I mean this place is for diiscussion , right? Well, I choose to discuss such people and not let them run roughshod over me.
So kind of you to care. I can just feel your concern. ;)--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

See now this is how rumors get started-- I'm not in any fight with anyone. I merely commented that anal sex and jerking off weren't relevant to the discussion. I wouldn't say Marion berry's being elected is overtly racist-- maybe his constituents just empathize with a crackhead sex addict. No different than me voting for a environmental conservative. White or not.

I agree with you on that. Such comments were not relevant and were made in haste. Future comments of aggressive nature will be less crude and nonsexually oriented .--Tyr

[ConHog]

Show me a white racist holding office that publicly espouses his racism.

That wasn't even what the discussion was about man. We were discussing VOTERS. I'm sorry for you if you truly believe that there weren't a number of voters out there who voted AGAINST Obama simply because he's black. Just like there were and are voters out there who support Obama for no other reason than he's black.

These people can usually be picked out by their use of either of these statements

"yeah that my niggah right there"

"fuck that nigger"

racism exists on BOTH sides.

[Thunderknuckles]

Not really, the relevant question is why do blacks vote for pro-government candidates at such a high rate? The black vote had been historically Republican until FDR when it moved over to the Democrat party.
In the case of Marion Barry there is no other explanation but racism. The man beat white democrats to get back into office. Blacks voted for that incompetent criminal simply because he is black. As to the question you think is relevant, in the big picture I agree it is a more important question to ask. However, I think we already know the answer It's going to take a few more men like Allen West who are willing to get off the liberal "21st century plantation" to turn that around.

[ConHog]

In the case of Marion Barry there is no other explanation but racism. The man beat white democrats to get back into office. Blacks voted for that incompetent criminal simply because he is black. As to the question you think is relevant, in the big picture I agree it is a more important question to ask. However, I think we already know the answer It's going to take a few more men like Allen West who are willing to get off the liberal "21st century plantation" to turn that around.

David Duke

/thread

[Thunderknuckles]

I don't get it:dunno:

[Gaffer]

Show a black one that espouses his racism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism).

Charlie Rangel, Shirley Lee, J. Jackson Jr. just to name a few. And Marion Barry who publicly stated he hates Asians.

[Gaffer]

That wasn't even what the discussion was about man. We were discussing VOTERS. I'm sorry for you if you truly believe that there weren't a number of voters out there who voted AGAINST Obama simply because he's black. Just like there were and are voters out there who support Obama for no other reason than he's black.

These people can usually be picked out by their use of either of these statements

"yeah that my niggah right there"

"fuck that nigger"

racism exists on BOTH sides.

I was responding to a comment by another poster. I believe the subject is racism, not voters.

There were a lot of voters that voted against the dark lord because he's black. Many more than that voted for him because he's black. He has shown his own racism a number of times. As has holder with his "my people" comment. They get away with it because of the double standard that applies in govt today. White racism is not condoned and black racism shouldn't be either. And the "they do it too" argument gets really old.

[fj1200]

A simple answer really. I do not suffer fools gladly. I'm well aware that one's ability to stop such people from attempting to badger one is severely limited on the internet but that doesn't mean I have to just sit back and take it. I like to speak up when somebody is trying to belittle me and use me for a whipping boy. I mean this place is for diiscussion , right? Well, I choose to discuss such people and not let them run roughshod over me.
So kind of you to care. I can just feel your concern. ;)--Tyr

Being civil =/= "taking it." I can respond in a perfectly civil manner even when someone responds uncivilly back to me. I like to think the manner in which we respond says a lot about us as posters; positive and negative.

[fj1200]

In the case of Marion Barry there is no other explanation but racism. The man beat white democrats to get back into office. Blacks voted for that incompetent criminal simply because he is black. As to the question you think is relevant, in the big picture I agree it is a more important question to ask. However, I think we already know the answer It's going to take a few more men like Allen West who are willing to get off the liberal "21st century plantation" to turn that around.

I disagree that it's racism. Why the feel they need to accept blithering idiots as their elected officials over any white person is a mystery to me but racism it's not unless they believe in the inherent superiority of their own race.

[fj1200]

Charlie Rangel, Shirley Lee, J. Jackson Jr. just to name a few. And Marion Barry who publicly stated he hates Asians.

I wasn't aware that hatred = racism.

[tailfins]

No surprise, pro-Obama:


Far be it for me to call BS on the parameters of this post. Anyone wish to chime in?

I'm not particularly interested. When you handle a turd, your hands will stink.

[ConHog]

I wasn't aware that hatred = racism.

Brings up another valid point. There are MANY people opposed to Obama's policies who couldn't care less about his skin color. But MANY scream that anyone who disagree with him are racists PERIOD. That is of course no more true than saying anyone who supports him is a pro black racist.

[Abbey Marie]

I wasn't aware that hatred = racism.

Hmm. I wonder then, why hate crimes are almost exclusively charged when one race attacks another...

[Gaffer]

I wasn't aware that hatred = racism.

Racial hatred and racial superiority go hand in hand.

[ConHog]

Racial hatred and racial superiority go hand in hand.

Not true; not everyone who hates someone even hates them because of race.

For example, are you admitting to hating Obama b/c he's black?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Being civil =/= "taking it." I can respond in a perfectly civil manner even when someone responds uncivilly back to me. I like to think the manner in which we respond says a lot about us as posters; positive and negative.

Well, bravo for you. You respond how you like and I will respond how I like. That is the essence of Freedom of Speech. If you were to respond uncivilly back to a member I would not be so arrogant as to presume to point out the obvious to you. Of course you have every right to do so just as I have every right to ignore your unrequested opinion on the matter. Even more so since the matter is between myself and Conhog and not you. I have kindly chosen to point this out to you for your future reference should you need it. What you do with it is entirely your own business. Is that civil enough for you? Or do you wish me to say , please?

Which by the way, isn't going to happen..-Tyr

[ConHog]

Well, bravo for you. You respond how you like and I will respond how I like. That is the essence of Freedom of Speech. If you were to respond uncivilly back to a member I would not be so arrogant as to presume to point out the obvious to you. Of course you have every right to do so just as I have every right to ignore your unrequested opinion on the matter. Even more so since the matter is between myself and Conhog and not you. I have kindly chosen to point this out to you for your future reference should you need it. What you do with it is entirely your own business. Is that civil enough for you? Or do you wish me to say , please?

Which by the way, isn't going to happen..-Tyr

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?35387-The-First-Amendment


The First Amendment does not guarantee that FJ will not infringe on your freedom of speech.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[QUOTE=ConHog;556254]That wasn't even what the discussion was about man. We were discussing VOTERS.

His comment was ever bit as in line as was yours and in my opinion vastly more so! . The thread topic is , The Most Racist Article That I've Ever Seen. So racism is more relevant to the topic than is voting. Does not matter if voting was being discussed because he brought it back to the primary point of the thread which is racism.. Glad to help you. If you ask I can do it more often for you.-;)-Tyr

[ConHog]

That wasn't even what the discussion was about man. We were discussing VOTERS.

His comment was ever bit as in line as was yours and in my opinion vastly more so! . The thread topic is , The Most Racist Article That I've Ever Seen. So racism is more relevant to the topic than is voting. Does not matter if voting was being discussed because he brought it back to the primary point of the thread which is racism.. Glad to help you. If you ask I can do it more often for you.-;)-Tyr

I suggest you

A) Learn how to write in understandable English
B) Learn how to use the quote function

and

C) Learn that the first amendment doesn't mean you can post whatever you want

before worrying about what I write.



EDIT : This was in response to Tyr , but he so badly mangled the quote function in the post that I quoted that I couldn't get it fixed right, if a mod knows how to straighten it out, much appreciated.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?35387-The-First-Amendment


The First Amendment does not guarantee that FJ will not infringe on your freedom of speech.

Really? Exactly what I referenced in my first three sentences in my reply yet you felt the great need to repeat it to me!
Try reading those three sentences again and then read the rest of my reply. I bet you'll get it if you repeat that a dozen or so times. Maybe not.--:laugh2:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I suggest you

A) Learn how to write in understandable English
B) Learn how to use the quote function

and

C) Learn that the first amendment doesn't mean you can post whatever you want

before worrying about what I write.



EDIT : This was in response to Tyr , but he so badly mangled the quote function in the post that I quoted that I couldn't get it fixed right, if a mod knows how to straighten it out, much appreciated.

You can suggest a lot of things but guess what jethro?
Doesn't mean anybody here has to do so or even give a damn that you want them to.
How's that for Freedom of Speech and a good backhand too? :slap:-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You can suggest a lot of things but guess what jethro?
Doesn't mean anybody here has to do so or even give a damn that you want them to.
How's that for Freedom of Speech and a good backhand too? :slap:-Tyr


What? No brilliant reply?
I am crushed , truly crushed that you took such an easy backhand to heart so quickly..--Tyr

[Thunderknuckles]

It wouldn't be Debate Policy without ConHog pissing somebody off :beer:

[ConHog]

It wouldn't be Debate Policy without ConHog pissing somebody off :beer:

Dude, I haven't flamed that guy in like 36 hours. I'd just like to point that out. What am I supposed to do, hide my brilliance so that others feel better about themselves? :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It wouldn't be Debate Policy without ConHog pissing somebody off :beer:

Pissing people off is easy if one rarely has to face any consequences for doing so.
He gets by with making rude ---off topic- remarks often but when bested he quickly points out how his adversary has derailed the thread and starts the " lets get back on topic tactic" while naming his adversary as the derailing the thread offender.
He even started a thread in my honor - titled Hey Tyr.. Told me to pick the topic and has now weaseled out of the challenge that he issued! I even gave him the great advantage of the topic being HIM! How's that for an advantage? But alas, I fear he has derailed himself and slid away from his own challenge.-:laugh2:--Tyr

[Gaffer]

Not true; not everyone who hates someone even hates them because of race.

For example, are you admitting to hating Obama b/c he's black?

You didn't comprehend what I wrote.

I hate Barely because he's a fascist not for his skin color. I have nothing but disdain for the man. And you can bet he thinks he's superior to you and me.

You do like to attribute thoughts and words to people that they never said or meant.

[ConHog]

You didn't comprehend what I wrote.

I hate Barely because he's a fascist not for his skin color. I have nothing but disdain for the man. And you can bet he thinks he's superior to you and me.

You do like to attribute thoughts and words to people that they never said or meant.

Gaffer, I asked a question and actually even implied that I don't think you hate Obama b/c of his skin color. I merely commented you must also concede that not everyone who likes obama likes him b/c he's black.

Oh, and you're damn right I think Obama thinks he's better than you or I, I don't think that is based ff of race though.

Oh, but I DO believe he's a racist.

[tailfins]

Racial hatred and racial superiority go hand in hand.

I guess you have never heard of liberalism: racial superiority manifested by racial pity and patronization.

[Gaffer]

I guess you have never heard of liberalism: racial superiority manifested by racial pity and patronization.

But that's using white guilt for gain. In that case contempt would apply better than hate and superiority.

Ahh the mincing of words.

[SassyLady]

Being civil =/= "taking it." I can respond in a perfectly civil manner even when someone responds uncivilly back to me. I like to think the manner in which we respond says a lot about us as posters; positive and negative.

:thewave:

[Thunderknuckles]

I guess you have never heard of liberalism: racial superiority manifested by racial pity and patronization.
Damn, said it better than I could ever had.

[fj1200]

Hmm. I wonder then, why hate crimes are almost exclusively charged when one race attacks another...

Pandering politicians creating laws to "protect" those they see as weak and discriminated against is nothing new.


Racial hatred and racial superiority go hand in hand.

So blacks believe that they are a superior race?

[fj1200]

That is the essence of Freedom of Speech.

Yup, the freedom to speak but not the privilege​ to be heard.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yup, the freedom to speak but not the privilege​ to be heard.

Being heard is a "privilege" ? Who knew?
I mean unless one is speaking to oneself in a secluded setting with no others around to hear the being heard part is just reality. I have no problem with anybody reading my words here just ignoring them. I mean, didnt you generously advise me to do the same when being spoken to in an uncivil manner by others here? If not you , then several others did.
The Freedom of Speech is the Constitionally insured Right that we have . It is also a great privilege. The right to be heard by those willing to listen has to be part of that or else people could be mandated to speak as freely as they like but only do so secluded in a room all by themselves. So the being heard part is protected but certainly not mandated by the Constitution for it must be a voluntary act by those choosing to listen.
Of course here it would be properly termed freedom to post within the set rules.--Tyr

[fj1200]

Being heard is a "privilege" ? Who knew?

Yes, kind of how I've granted you the privilege of me "hearing" about every other word in your post.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes, kind of how I've granted you the privilege of me "hearing" about every other word in your post.

That surely is an amazing ability that you have there. Being able to "read" every other word!
Did you take correspondence courses in that or what?
I hope that I'm not getting too personal with that question. Just let me know if so.
I'll ask more often.-Tyr

[fj1200]

That surely is an amazing ability that you have there.

It is. I am most excellent.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It is. I am most excellent.

No doubt. Wasn't that a PeeWee Herman line too?
I seem to recall a poster from another forum using it a lot and attributing it to Pee Wee Herman.
You arent a big fan of the guy are you?-:laugh:

[Thunderknuckles]

Wasn't that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure?

[ConHog]

Wasn't that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure?

Was the sequel to that the most un excellent sequel in movie history or what?

[Thunderknuckles]

Was the sequel to that the most un excellent sequel in movie history or what?
It was all crap. I just remember it because Bill and Ted were from my home of San Dimas and went to San Dimas High which is right down the street from me and where my stepdaughter went to school.

[fj1200]

Wasn't that a PeeWee Herman line too?

It seems you are very familiar with his work. You have that advantage on me.


Wasn't that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure?

Be excellent to each other. Words to live by right?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It seems you are very familiar with his work. You have that advantage on me.



Be excellent to each other. Words to live by right?


If you could read a bit better you'd see where I explained about even knowing of that line. But apparently your amazing word skipping ability causes you grave reading comprehension problems!
O' well, one must strive to overlook the weaknesses of others.
A principle that I'm not very good at however! Yet I shall endeavor to persevere. :laugh2:--Tyr

[fj1200]

If you could read a bit better you'd see where I explained...

My comprehension is just fine, I'm thinking of cutting your privilege back to 1 out of 3 or just the first sentence. I understood your implication that you are intimately aware of Pee Wee's antics and I hope that you can manage to stay out of his line of fire.

[Abbey Marie]

Pandering politicians creating laws to "protect" those they see as weak and discriminated against is nothing new.
...


What is new is taking crimes already on the books, and making them "more serious" just because they involve two different races. Well, it would seem that as long as one of those races is white, anyway. Hence the equating of hate crime and racism.

[Abbey Marie]

All this sniping back and forth is tiresome. Can't you all find things to debate besides each others flaws?

I'd hate to start regularly moving formerly good threads to the Cage.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My comprehension is just fine, I'm thinking of cutting your privilege back to 1 out of 3 or just the first sentence. I understood your implication that you are intimately aware of Pee Wee's antics and I hope that you can manage to stay out of his line of fire.

Fine with me as you reading abilities couldnt even match that.
You were the one using his one liners not me genius.
Accusing othes to hide a secret is an old ruse perhaps you should find another.-:laugh2:

[fj1200]

Accusing othes to hide a secret...

You might want to keep Pee Wee Herman in your pocket then.

[fj1200]

What is new is taking crimes already on the books, and making them "more serious" just because they involve two different races. Well, it would seem that as long as one of those races is white, anyway. Hence the equating of hate crime and racism.

Then you'd have to assume that all those committing hate crimes are racist.

[ConHog]

All this sniping back and forth is tiresome. Can't you all find things to debate besides each others flaws?

I'd hate to start regularly moving formerly good threads to the Cage.

At the risk of getting hit with the "don't openly question mods" at some point doesn't the blame need to be put on EXACTLY who it belongs on?

[ConHog]

Fine with me as you reading abilities couldnt even match that.
You were the one using his one liners not me genius.
Accusing othes to hide a secret is an old ruse perhaps you should find another.-:laugh2:

Would explain why you have continually been calling other posters stupid , illiterate, and gay.

[OCA]

See now this is how rumors get started-- I'm not in any fight with anyone. I merely commented that anal sex and jerking off weren't relevant to the discussion.

I wouldn't say Marion berry's being elected is overtly racist-- maybe his constituents just empathize with a crackhead sex addict. No different than me voting for a environmental conservative. White or not.

Marion Barry was elected to city council here, his ward is ALL blacks, SE D.C., so sure his vote is gonna be from all Blacks but it wasn't racist, there were a couple other Blacks running against him.

[OCA]

In the case of Marion Barry there is no other explanation but racism. The man beat white democrats to get back into office. Blacks voted for that incompetent criminal simply because he is black. As to the question you think is relevant, in the big picture I agree it is a more important question to ask. However, I think we already know the answer It's going to take a few more men like Allen West who are willing to get off the liberal "21st century plantation" to turn that around.

Again he is on city council, he represents a 100% Black ward. No Whites ran against him.

[Abbey Marie]

Then you'd have to assume that all those committing hate crimes are racist.

I think that is exactly the assumption made by those who wrote the laws and those who prosecute based on it. Assuming there are two races involved. There are also gay hate crimes, etc.

[OCA]

Charlie Rangel, Shirley Lee, J. Jackson Jr. just to name a few. And Marion Barry who publicly stated he hates Asians.

Can we get a link to overtly racist quotes from them?

[Abbey Marie]

At the risk of getting hit with the "don't openly question mods" at some point doesn't the blame need to be put on EXACTLY who it belongs on?

Last I checked, it really does take two to tango.

[ConHog]

Last I checked, it really does take two to tango.

Then later tonight when I have more time, I'll compile a list of the latest dances and send them to you so you can see who has been dancing and who hasn't been.

[fj1200]

I think that is exactly the assumption made by those who wrote the laws and those who prosecute based on it. Assuming there are two races involved. There are also gay hate crimes, etc.

Too true, not to say they don't try to equate the two but I think it's disingenuous to make the argument. Racism has, or had anyway, a specific definition that is no longer used IMO. And of course a gay hate crime couldn't be racist anyway.

[ConHog]

Too true, not to say they don't try to equate the two but I think it's disingenuous to make the argument. Racism has, or had anyway, a specific definition that is no longer used IMO. And of course a gay hate crime couldn't be racist anyway.

oh, I don't know many consider gays to be sub human so certainly they might be racists under their own definition.


The whole idea of hate crimes is preposterous at any rate. Show me a love crime.

[Thunderknuckles]

Show me a love crime.
Taking advantage of your wife who's sleeping naked next to you?

[Abbey Marie]

Taking advantage of your wife who's sleeping naked next to you?

Love or lust? :laugh:

[ConHog]

Love or lust? :laugh:

Both if youre lucky

[Abbey Marie]

Too true, not to say they don't try to equate the two but I think it's disingenuous to make the argument. Racism has, or had anyway, a specific definition that is no longer used IMO. And of course a gay hate crime couldn't be racist anyway.

That is why I separated them from the so-called race crimes.