15 Reasons Why Prostitution is Beneficial

[Pale Rider]

15 Reasons Why Prostitution is Beneficial


Often referred to as Sexworkers who are the professionals as opposed to the street hooker.


1) Sexworkers are a legitimate option for older single men or those married.
For example, I gave up the dating game more than 10 years ago. I am just not attracted to most women my age - 50s - and was frustrated with "usual" women who are so sexually conservative in our culture. Further most women in our culture are overweight to which I have no physical attraction. I find I have far more in common with sexworkers than I do regular women and enjoy younger slim women - yet with some maturity so say age 25-35.

For others, they are married but that doesn't always bring sexual satisfaction. Many men enjoy variety and zillions of married men are sexually frustrated since the wife lost interest long ago. Or many of us enjoy intimate sexuality with more than one women we enjoy different personalities, bodies, interacting sensually with different women which also helps us learn good sexual and intimacy skills. Going to sexworkers is far better than an affair and can actually help keep otherwise loving marriages together, if man gets basic sexual needs met by sexworkers vs. an "affair".

2) Biblically Not an Issue - Many wives and concubines was acceptable as were "common" prostitutes.
for Christians there is clearly nothing wrong for Christians or Jews seeing "common" prostitutes. The only negative references in the Bible is to the sex goddess prostitutes in the Temples worshiping the fertility gods. It was idolatry not sex that was the sin. Many times common prostitutes are mentioned in the bible with no negative inference. Prostitution has always been legal for example in Israel and Tel Aviv is known as the brothel capital of the world. Yet so many ignorant Christians totally distort biblical sexuality based on negative traditions that have no biblical basis. Likewise having many wives and concubines was not wrong. A married man never committed adultery as long as the "other women" was single - not the property of another man. Adultery was a property sin not a sex sin. For extensive biblical study see Prostitution Is Not A Biblical Conflict at http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/christian.html

3) Prostitutes can make the world safer for women and healthy for normal men.
Rather than encourage rape, or sexual harassment from sexually frustrated men, prostitutes are there for people who have a strong sex drive and cannot find anyone to have sex with or who enjoy sexual variety. For the socially inept man, they cope with all those with confused and repressed sexuality, removing the risk of attack they cause to other women. But most clients are just ordinary normal men, your neighbors, the man in the Church pew next to you, your children's teacher, your lawyer, or politician. Some of us well adjusted normal men enjoy physical intimacy with a variety of women and it is physically and emotionally healthy for otherwise healthy men.

4) Prostitutes become experts who can offer high quality sex.
If there was not such a negative stigma, most everyone would want to visit prostitutes for erotic inspiration and self indulgence. They provide the chance for new experiences without entering a new relationship which many people find of enormous value at certain stages of their lives. In some cultures, it is customary for all young men to learn about sex from the local prostitutes before they have sex with other women.

5) Prostitution is the oldest profession and should be respected.
Like any other profession - there are the experts, the specialists, the all-rounders, the scoundrels and the bad people who need hounding out. Bad people such as the cash and dash scams ruin the reputation of the industry as to those few that are on drugs, drink to much or just think of men as ATM machines.

6) Prostitutes offer many services often far more than just sex.
Prostitutes call themselves all kinds of names, from whore to therapist; slut to Tantric teacher; hostess to surrogate. Each have their own style but when you listen to what they actually do, most provide approximately the same range of services. They act as listeners (to everyone in pain, including sufferers of child sexual abuse), pacifiers (often of the same), substitute mothers, sisters and brothers, they enact fantasies, dominate to force those who are normally in control in their work and social lives to play submissive; whores may also play sub.

Prostitutes fulfill all kinds of role: from a quick hand-job behind a carrier bag in the park, to dinner and all night bed companion to "girlfriend" for a month's holiday.

Some do this with grace and love, others with one eye on the clock and the other eye on his wallet, hoping to steal it. There are sex workers who can actually adapt their mind sets to "fall in love" with each client, in order to give them maximum benefit of the time spent. There are others who despise all clients and play tricks to make them come fast. But there are many who sincerely love and enjoy men and for them it is an ideal profession and not only about men as ATM machines. These are usually the most successful sexworkers since men can tell their sincere enjoyment of what they do.

7) It can be a satisfying Job.
The fact is that a growing number of women are switching to work in sex rather than in other jobs because they find it gives them more freedom and job satisfaction. You chose your hours, you make more money per hour than most of your friends and you spend your time giving pleasure (and often receiving it too).

Some women who may once have opted for a career in nursing find it more satisfying offering a caring "hands on" service caring for people's personal needs. So many people in society have never been touched caringly or had their emotional needs catered for. Sex work allows caring individuals to offer such services and they often just advertise as a prostitute because this is the easiest way to make a living.

8) Many Men Need Teaching.
Sociologists recognize that many men pay for sexual gratification and emotional solace because they have not yet learned to find either elsewhere. Many shy, socially phobic and disabled men rely on prostitutes to teach them how to gain a positive body image, seduce and make love. The book Shadow Syndromes by John J Ratey and Catherine Johnson identifies a high incidence of minor forms of Aspergers Syndrome in males in Western cultures, which means that they can't respond to normal invitations of emotional bonding and socialization.

9) Prostitution enables many women to liberate themselves.
It is not uncommon for women to enter the sex industry in order to establish their own sexual identity. Belle du Jour was a classic. There are many situations where women decide to enter sex work because it seems to be the only way they can throw their sexual repressive background to the wall. They usually have to keep quiet about it and never identify themselves publicly.

10) Prostitution provides a better alternative to starving or stealing.
When a woman is desperate to feed herself and her children and has no other income, prostitution is often the best option for her. One woman is quoted as saying that working as a street worker to provide the money to buy heroin for herself and her partner is better than him going out thieving because he might get a long prison sentence. (Mckeganey, Neil and Barnard, Marina 1996 Sex Work on the Streets). But there should be safe off street incalls available or zones of tolerance so as to not be a public nuisance "in the face" of the public in neighborhoods where not wanted. If prostitutes want respect they should also respect neighborhoods and businesses that do not want street hookers in front of their homes or businesses.

11) Prostitutes Educate.
Prostitutes provide a service where people can learn. A young person can learn about their orientation and how to become a good lover. A couple can experiment with group sex. Isolated people can learn how to become intimate, people can learn about S/M and explore their submissive or dominant sides.

12) Prostitutes provide fun.
They offer a service of pleasure. In countries where women are allowed to work together, there are clubs where people go along for an orgy: sex parties with several prostitutes and a group of clients. People enjoy visiting prostitutes for light hearted yet intensely erotic experiences, which may be very difficult to find elsewhere.

13) Prostitution is good for mental health.
Comforting sex without ties is excellent for mental health, soothing the nervous system, and helping the client improve their sense of well being.

14) Prostitution can cure problems.
People with social disabilities such as stammerers can be helped to overcome their problems by loving attention and uncovering anxieties. People who have been sexually abused as children often need a lot of patient body work to overcome sexual difficulties and prostitutes are invaluable in this work.

15) Sex Work can be empowering.
People gain personal strength from selling their bodies because their clients worship and admire them, they have as much sex as they want and the defy traditional mores and roles imposed on them. Often prostitutes are extremely healthy, playful, creative, adventurous and independent women.

Some of the above is from http://www.iusw.org/policy/index.html, edited and expanded on by Dave in Phoenix, www.sexwork.com

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[Pale Rider]

Now before anyone has a coniption, I want to say that I neither support or don't support the article. There's some things in it I can agree with, and much I don't. I posted it simply for others to read and give their opinion.

[shattered]

I don't agree it's beneficial at all.. BUT.. so long as people aren't getting hurt, and certain standards are met.. to each their own, live and let live, etc...

[Mr. P]

I don't agree it's beneficial at all.. BUT.. so long as people aren't getting hurt, and certain standards are met.. to each their own, live and let live, etc...

If there were no benefit it wouldn't be the oldest profession.

[shattered]

If there were no benefit it wouldn't be the oldest profession.

...in a feel good society. :D

[Mr. P]

...in a feel good society. :D

We've felt good for 1000s of years then. ;)

[shattered]

We've felt good for 1000s of years then. ;)

Hey, pay someone to boink like bunnies if you want to.. :coffee: I'm neither lobbying to have it stopped, nor arguing about whether it *should* exist..

I merely said I see no benefit to it, but if it's not hurting anyone, have at it.

[darin]

It only makes sense for selfish reasons.

[Dilloduck]

I didn't see that "prostitution is cheaper" listed . :laugh2:

[Hagbard Celine]

Good article. It's reasoned. It's well thought-out. It's an alternative viewpoint that we don't normally hear about. I like it.

[LOki]

It only makes sense for selfish reasons.
...and selfish reasons are the only reasons that make sense.

[Mr. P]

Hey, pay someone to boink like bunnies if you want to.. :coffee: I'm neither lobbying to have it stopped, nor arguing about whether it *should* exist..

I merely said I see no benefit to it, but if it's not hurting anyone, have at it.

I know what you meant in your first post. I feel about the same, except I do see benefit.

dmp...is it selfish to earn a living?

[darin]

...and selfish reasons are the only reasons that make sense.


And it only makes sense for selfish reasons.

[darin]

dmp...is it selfish to earn a living?


Mr. P...is it okay to wear white after labor day? I don't get the off-topic question. Essplayn?

[LOki]

And it only makes sense for selfish reasons.
...and all sensible reasons are selfish reasons.

[darin]

...and all sensible reasons are selfish reasons.

The reasons mentioned - MOST of the 'reasons' in the piece are immensely short-sighted and selfish in nature.

[Mr. P]

Mr. P...is it okay to wear white after labor day? I don't get the off-topic question. Essplayn?

Not off topic really, is it selfish to earn a living?
That's what the girls are doing.

[shattered]

Not off topic really, is it selfish to earn a living?
That's what the girls are doing.

If that's the only way they can earn a living, I have to wonder what they were taught growing up...

[darin]

Not off topic really, is it selfish to earn a living?
That's what the girls are doing.

Good thing their occupation-of-choice wasn't drug-running...or bank-robbing eh?

The article praises Made-up Facts about life in Biblical times, Bullshit psycho-babble about 'teaching' and pseudo-services offered by whores. You can try all you like to paint it as 'natural and innocent and valid'; doesn't change the fact you're wrong. :)

[Mr. P]

If that's the only way they can earn a living, I have to wonder what they were taught growing up...

Has nothing to do with it.

[shattered]

Has nothing to do with it.

I think it has plenty to do with it.. Self worth, for one.. You don't think enough of yourself to settle down, and lead a decent life, but you have no problem laying down for anyone with a wallet?

Ick.

[Mr. P]

Good thing their occupation-of-choice wasn't drug-running...or bank-robbing eh?

The article praises Made-up Facts about life in Biblical times, Bullshit psycho-babble about 'teaching' and pseudo-services offered by whores. You can try all you like to paint it as 'natural and innocent and valid'; doesn't change the fact you're wrong. :)
I am not trying to paint it at all...I do think the girls that work in 'legal' operations have every right to do so, regardless of what other people think.
They are making a living and that's not selfish..we all sell ourselves in some way to do the same.

[Mr. P]

I think it has plenty to do with it.. Self worth, for one.. You don't think enough of yourself to settle down, and lead a decent life, but you have no problem laying down for anyone with a wallet?

Ick.

Do you know they are not settled down and leading a decent life?
I don't, nor do I know how they feel about their self worth.

[shattered]

Do you know they are not settled down and leading a decent life?
I don't, nor do I know how they feel about their self worth.

*shrug* Maybe you have to be a girl to think the way I do.. I couldn't even begin to entertain the thought of selling my body for money during the day, and going home to make dinner at night. (Or, vice-versa if you want to get that picky)

[darin]

I am not trying to paint it at all...I do think the girls that work in 'legal' operations have every right to do so, regardless of what other people think.
They are making a living and that's not selfish..we all sell ourselves in some way to do the same.

It's impossible to debate this with you, P - You seem to think people do not possess a 'soul' - something special, which separates us from Animals. Something inside which can be hurt or even destroyed. I could go on and on about Sex being only about half 'physical' and go into the OTHER half - the part of our very soul which connects even for an instant to those whom we're nailing...but - what's the point?

[Mr. P]

*shrug* Maybe you have to be a girl to think the way I do.. I couldn't even begin to entertain the thought of selling my body for money during the day, and going home to make dinner at night. (Or, vice-versa if you want to get that picky)

I understand that, and all jobs aren't for everyone either.

[Mr. P]

It's impossible to debate this with you, P - You seem to think people do not possess a 'soul' - something special, which separates us from Animals. Something inside which can be hurt or even destroyed. I could go on and on about Sex being only about half 'physical' and go into the OTHER half - the part of our very soul which connects even for an instant to those whom we're nailing...but - what's the point?

We can't debate because I'm arguing logic not religious belief. You restrained yourself well.

[darin]

We can't debate because I'm arguing logic not religious belief. You restrained yourself well.

Sort of a left-handed compliment? The fallacy in your statement is this: Religion is/can be quite logical. You trying to separate the two seems just a way for you to puff yourself up; and prance around in your "I'm so SMART" hat.

[LOki]

The reasons mentioned - MOST of the 'reasons' in the piece are immensely short-sighted and selfish in nature.Irrelevent. Although short-sighted means neither sensible or senseless; it doesn't mean right or wrong either.

I can't imagine how far-sighted senslessness can be considered better than short-sighted senselessness, I can, however, understand how short-sighted sense is better then far-sighted senselessness; and since sensible always means selfish, I don't necessarily have a problem with selfish and short-sighted reasons.

[Mr. P]

Sort of a left-handed compliment? The fallacy in your statement is this: Religion is/can be quite logical. You trying to separate the two seems just a way for you to puff yourself up; and prance around in your "I'm so SMART" hat.

No, I'm not doing that at all, just presenting my opinion in a reasonable way.

I think it's reasonable and logical for an individual to choose the work they do and have the privacy to do so, regardless of what others think (Talking legal work of course).

[5stringJeff]

A rebuttal:

1) Sexworkers are a legitimate option for older single men or those married.

If one respects one's wedding vows, then there is no other legitimate option, other than your spouse, for sexual pleasure. As for single people, I suppose this depends on your morality, but, for those not opposed to pre-marital sex, aren't other single women just as legitimate an option? How about one-night stands?

2) Biblically Not an Issue - Many wives and concubines was acceptable as were "common" prostitutes.

Concubines were culturally accepted, and many heathen religions in the Middle East made use of temple prostitutes, but sex outside of the marriage bond is never portrayed as anything but sinful behavior.

3) Prostitutes can make the world safer for women and healthy for normal men.

The argument that 'prostitutes decrease sex crimes' seems very dubious to me. Can pedophiles get their fix from visiting prostitutes?

4) Prostitutes become experts who can offer high quality sex.

Anyone can become an 'expert' at sex, with the will to accomplish and enough practice.

5) Prostitution is the oldest profession and should be respected.

According the the Bible, the oldest profession is farming. And regardless, the age of a profession shouldn't be a reason to support its continued existence. Murder has been around since the beginning of human civilization as well - should we be OK with that?

6) Prostitutes offer many services often far more than just sex.

All such other services can be obtained legally, or even better, through actual relationships, not being paid to "fall in love" as some 'escorts' claim to do.

7) It can be a satisfying Job.

Any number of jobs can be satisfying to any number of people. This is hardly a reason for legalizing prostitution.

8) Many Men Need Teaching.

The only person who can make such a judgment call is 1) the man, or 2) his sex partner/girlfriend/wife, who ought to be the one doing the teaching, if she's so unsatisfied with it.

9) Prostitution enables many women to liberate themselves.

The idea that a woman cannot liberate herself sexually with her partner/boyfriend/husband is ludicrous. In fact, with the bond that is built between a husband and wife over time, I would argue that a stable marriage is the most liberating sexual partnership one could have.

10) Prostitution provides a better alternative to starving or stealing.

This is true of any job.

11) Prostitutes Educate.

See my rebuttal to #8.

12) Prostitutes provide fun.

Amusement parks provide fun. Dance clubs provide fun. Parks provide fun. Sex with someone you don't have to pay provides fun. This is also a lame argument.

13) Prostitution is good for mental health.

No, sex is good for mental health, and it can be obtained through other means.

14) Prostitution can cure problems.

The argument given here is actually that love cures problems. I doubt a hooker can provide the type of love that a person actually needs. If she loves the guy so much, why would she charge so much to provide such a loving, caring service?

15) Sex Work can be empowering.

Any type of work can be empowering. Another non-argument.

Here's an argument that wasn't even addressed: many women are forced into the sex industry and enslaved, whether by physical force or by drug addictions. IIRC, the sex trade is the largest component in human trafficking/slavery in the world today.

[darin]

Irrelevent. Although short-sighted means neither sensible or senseless; it doesn't mean right or wrong either.

I can't imagine how far-sighted senslessness can be considered better than short-sighted senselessness, I can, however, understand how short-sighted sense is better then far-sighted senselessness; and since sensible always means selfish, I don't necessarily have a problem with selfish and short-sighted reasons.


The arguments laid-out in the Article are wrong. The problem isn't they are short-sided, it's the benefits the article claims will HURT people. That makes it morally bankrupt....'wrong'.

[LOki]

The arguments laid-out in the Article are wrong.Could be, but I'm not about to say you've demonstrated it.


The problem isn't they are short-sided,...I didn't even suggest short-sightedness was the problem.


...it's the benefits the article claims will HURT people.Hurt? I was probably not paying attention when you demonstrated this. I will agree however that not everything listed as a benefit is actually a benefit. For example, #1, #2, and #5 don't appear to actually be benfits to me--they're more like apologies.

It also occurs to me that some of these benefits are a bit dubious. Examples being #3, #9, #10, #14, and #15.

Yet none appear to be necessarily harmful. Not even #12.


That makes it morally bankrupt....'wrong'.I'm sure you think so, but your responses revolving around selfishness and short-sightedness give no clues to why.

[darin]

Could be, but I'm not about to say you've demonstrated it.

I didn't even suggest short-sightedness was the problem.

Hurt? I was probably not paying attention when you demonstrated this. I will agree however that not everything listed as a benefit is actually a benefit. For example, #1, #2, and #5 don't appear to actually be benfits to me--they're more like apologies.

It also occurs to me that some of these benefits are a bit dubious. Examples being #3, #9, #10, #14, and #15.

Yet none appear to be necessarily harmful. Not even #12.

I'm sure you think so, but your responses revolving around selfishness and short-sightedness give no clues to why.

What the hell are you talking about?

[LOki]

What the hell are you talking about?
I'm responding to your posts--I'm pretty sure I've quoted and linked to them approriately.

Or it's the #'s you're wonding about--those refer to the thread starting article.

[chum43]

moral victimless crimes have no place in a safe society... the only thing making prostitution a dangerous proffession tied to other dangerous illegal behavior is the government which prohibits it. It's the same thing with marijauna, cigarettes, alcohol, and firearms, morally they could be considered bad things, but they are much safer and better for society when they are legal than the alternative... it's unfortunate that on some things people are too stubborn to see the truth. by the way, personally I'm against prostitution, i would never partake, but allowing hordes of women to be brutalized, murdered, and abused, simply because letting them make money with their bodies is "wrong" is absurd and whoever made these laws and keeps them on the books should be ashamed.

[Pale Rider]

OK... I "know" a few hookers. After all, it's legal here in Nevada. There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned here, and that's that there's a fair amount of these women that "LIKE" what they do. They simply LIKE sex! So they've decided, why not get paid for it? And when I see these fatass, doofus looking, bald, pot bellied, RICH men with a HOT TROPHY WIFE hanging off them, isn't that women also prostituting herself off just for the money? She certainly would NOT be with mister bald, ugly, doofus, fatass if he was standing at the order window asking you if you want that supersized. Is the woman marrying this man not just as much of a prostitute as the woman at the whore house? They're both SELLING themselves.

The other thing I'd say is yes, the girls do provide a service. They sell sex to men that otherwise probably would never get laid. How many of those men would rape if they couldn't go to the cat house? I think it's a reasonable question.

[chum43]

OK... I "know" a few hookers. After all, it's legal here in Nevada. There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned here, and that's that there's a fair amount of these women that "LIKE" what they do. They simply LIKE sex! So they've decided, why not get paid for it? And when I see these fatass, doofus looking, bald, pot bellied, RICH men with a HOT TROPHY WIFE hanging off them, isn't that women also prostituting herself off just for the money? She certainly would NOT be with mister bald, ugly, doofus, fatass if he was standing at the order window asking you if you want that supersized. Is the woman marrying this man not just as much of a prostitute as the woman at the whore house? They're both SELLING themselves.

that is also a good point, it's just another law that targets the poor and lets the rich off... rich guys can prostitute women legally because they don't need to hand over the money in an isolated deal, they get trophy wives.

[Pale Rider]

that is also a good point, it's just another law that targets the poor and lets the rich off... rich guys can prostitute women legally because they don't need to hand over the money in an isolated deal, they get trophy wives.

The point is, if a prostitute is guilty for doing what she does, then so is the woman that marries for money. They're both surrendering their bodies for money. Anna Nichol Smith comes to mind as a prime example of the later, as does any hot young "bunny" that screws that wrinkly old man Hugh Hefner. They're all prostitutes.

[nevadamedic]

Now before anyone has a coniption, I want to say that I neither support or don't support the article. There's some things in it I can agree with, and much I don't. I posted it simply for others to read and give their opinion.

There is no way in hell that I support prostitution and or stripping. I think it is degrading to the woman. When I run for office here in Nevada, on one of my issues will be to make prostitution illegal here and get the brothels closed down.

[nevadamedic]

The point is, if a prostitute is guilty for doing what she does, then so is the woman that marries for money. They're both surrendering their bodies for money. Anna Nichol Smith comes to mind as a prime example of the later, as does any hot young "bunny" that screws that wrinkly old man Hugh Hefner. They're all prostitutes.

In a way your always paying for sex one way or another. I mean you take the woman to dinner or out for a night on the town, so your basically paying for her. When your married or in a relationship with them then you buy them gifts and other things so once again your paying for it. So either way your paying for it.

[Pale Rider]

There is no way in hell that I support prostitution and or stripping. I think it is degrading to the woman. When I run for office here in Nevada, on one of my issues will be to make prostitution illegal here and get the brothels closed down.

Might as well not run then. You will NEVER get elected. If you're that dead set against prostitution, move to another state. Trying to upset a Nevada tradition as old, lucrative and accepted as cat houses, you've just signed your own political death certificate.

[Pale Rider]

In a way your always paying for sex one way or another. I mean you take the woman to dinner or out for a night on the town, so your basically paying for her. When your married or in a relationship with them then you buy them gifts and other things so once again your paying for it. So either way your paying for it.

So in practically in the same breath you proclaim your war against prositution if elected, but yet you admit it happens in relationships and marriage, and you have no problem with that? Uh huh... you are sounding like a politician, talking out both sides of your mouth.

[MtnBiker]

In a way your always paying for sex one way or another. I mean you take the woman to dinner or out for a night on the town, so your basically paying for her. When your married or in a relationship with them then you buy them gifts and other things so once again your paying for it. So either way your paying for it.

Are you saying the only reason a man pays for a meal or buys a present for a woman is to exchange that for sex?

[Pale Rider]

Are you saying the only reason a man pays for a meal or buys a present for a woman is to exchange that for sex?

I don't think he really knows what he's saying MB. I'm really beginning to wonder what gives him the impression he thinks he's not a democrat, because that's more and more what he sounds like.

[nevadamedic]

I don't think he really knows what he's saying MB. I'm really beginning to wonder what gives him the impression he thinks he's not a democrat, because that's more and more what he sounds like.

Im far from being a Democrat. Prostitution on only legal in a couple counties here in Nevada. There is also a ton of people who are against it.

Im not saying thats why men buy them things, but the way it works itself out is your practically paying for it as you spend money on the women.

[Trigg]

I mean you take the woman to dinner or out for a night on the town, so your basically paying for her. When your married or in a relationship with them then you buy them gifts and other things so once again your paying for it. So either way your paying for it.

I can't find anything written here that isn't completely insulting to women.

Ya, know I don't think I've ever neg repped someone, but here ya go.

Your compairing married women to prostitutes????

[Pale Rider]

Im far from being a Democrat. Prostitution on only legal in a couple counties here in Nevada. There is also a ton of people who are against it.

Im not saying thats why men buy them things, but the way it works itself out is your practically paying for it as you spend money on the women.

I think ya have that backwards nm. I believe prostitution is legal EVERYWHERE in Nevada, and is banned only inside city limits of a few cities.

[shattered]

In a way your always paying for sex one way or another. I mean you take the woman to dinner or out for a night on the town, so your basically paying for her. When your married or in a relationship with them then you buy them gifts and other things so once again your paying for it. So either way your paying for it.

You aren't married, are you? Hell..You're not even dating, are you?

[loosecannon]

prostitution is like most vices in many ways.

It is one thing while it is illegal, and can be something entirely different if it is legalized, has some rules and some oversight.

The 15 reasons seem pretty damned bogus today.

But hey, make it legal in 50 states and I bet you gain a strong support group who can testify to all 15.

The problem is it is a legal standard based on morality.

Legal standards are supposed to be based on rights not morality.

That is why church and state were never to engage in "congress".

Why is it legal for Senators to sell their influence to campaign contributors but not to pay an ordinary human for an absolutely ordinary human activity?

Why is it legal to do something for free but not legal to do it for a price?

Can anybody name one other example that follows that same pattern?

[cjhunter]

Prostitution is unlike other “vices” because it is natural for a man to have sex with a woman. The only difference between prostitution and normal sexual relations is the monetary compensation exchanged for the woman’s time and service.

I find that most of the arguments against prostitution in this thread are selfish. What is the big deal if a woman wants to willingly have safe sex with me for money? I am a single guy who has tried everything to find that “normal” relationship that everyone expects me to find. I’ve tried finding a girlfriend in every way possible. If your morality is based on the bible lets discus the following passage.

“However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn with sexual desire” - 1 Corinthians 7:9.

What if I cannot marry? Believe me I’ve tried to find a girl in real life for years, I’ve tried every online dating site you could imagine from Friend Finder to Match dot com, and tried some of the online Russian dating agencies like Elena’s Models and Kiev Connection. Do you know how many hours I’ve spent on Myspace trying to make a friend? I’m not a bad looking guy either, but I am severely emotionally and socially inept. I’ve had a lot of girls find me attractive, but then decided they do not like me because I appear to be emotionally bankrupt. You know I was so lonely I took in a homeless girl (she was 19 I was 23) I met at the bus stop for about four months until she moved back in with her mother. She was my very first time at the age of 23. I would have married that girl if she hadn’t went back with her looser boyfriend who didn’t even have a job! Yep. I lost out to a looser who didn’t even have a job. Don’t get me wrong I appear intelligent and sensible in real life enough to hold down a good job, but not enough to connect with any woman emotionally. I’ve even tried to compromise and simply find a companion to spend time with and make me feel like I’m loved such as an older lady, lonely woman with kids, and even fat and somewhat unattractive girls. I’ve been rejected by them all. I am socially inept. I think I may be a high functioning autistic. I’m not like the rain man, and most people think I’m normal, albeit nerdy. Woman are emotional beings and if you’re dysfunctional with emotions woman wont give you the time of day. The problem is I cannot display emotions like most people do. I feel the same emotions but I just can’t display them. I even forget to smile at people when they smile at me, and I have trouble with eye contact. I use to have severe depression and I still do to a certain extent, but I even got off my anti-depressants. I am doing better and part of that is because I have something to look forward to. When you think of a john you probably think of some sex obsessed sick perve, but I’m just a lonely guy who wants to feel normal. You don’t know what its like do you? I just want to feel normal. I just want to feel like everyone else. Do you think that God or anyone else would feel good inside if they totally denied me sex for the rest of my life? Forcing me to live celebrate the rest of my life on moral grounds is intellectual rape.

I can only do so much. I don’t think I can over come my social problems. Trust me I’ve tried to great lengths. If I’m never going to have a girlfriend in my life why cant I have something? How would you feel if you couldn’t feel the touch of another person the rest of your life? Well that is how I feel. I'm not a rapist, a serial killer, or any other kind of social deviate. I'm trying to be normal. You know I've had a really hard life and over came a lot of problems. I got picked on in school, I was dirt poor growing up, my mother was an abusive alcoholic, and I struggled with my studies in elementary school. The teachers told my parents I was "a slow learner". They made me feel stupid, but it didn't break my spirit. I would never, ever give up. You know I believed that I could do anything I wanted. Even though I got a degree from a University and got a good job I am still incomplete. At least with an escort she can make me believe in a moment that I have someone there for me.

[Nienna]

Legal standards are supposed to be based on rights not morality.

What are rights based on?

[Nienna]

Who is to say that there won't still be pimps and brutalized women if prostitution is legalized? Legalized prostitution will accomplish exactly what I see from many men in this thread (although others of you, admirably, hold esteem for women). If we have come to the point that marriage can be compared to prostitution, then men no longer have any respect for the women they have sex with. Prostitution cheapens and degrades the very act of sex, whether a women is consenting to it or enslaved by it. Look at the comments in this thread, as if sex is just a meaningless act, with no emotional attachment involved. Legalizing prostitution would put society's stamp of approval on this view of sex, and make it harder for the women who save themselves to be regarded with respect by men. The very difference between marriage and prostitution is this: In prostitution, a man pays and leaves. In marriage, a man STAYS. His faithfulness and presence assure a woman of her value in his eyes.

[Dilloduck]

Who is to say that there won't still be pimps and brutalized women if prostitution is legalized? Legalized prostitution will accomplish exactly what I see from many men in this thread (although others of you, admirably, hold esteem for women). If we have come to the point that marriage can be compared to prostitution, then men no longer have any respect for the women they have sex with. Prostitution cheapens and degrades the very act of sex, whether a women is consenting to it or enslaved by it. Look at the comments in this thread, as if sex is just a meaningless act, with no emotional attachment involved. Legalizing prostitution would put society's stamp of approval on this view of sex, and make it harder for the women who save themselves to be regarded with respect by men. The very difference between marriage and prostitution is this: In prostitution, a man pays and leaves. In marriage, a man STAYS. His faithfulness and presence assure a woman of her value in his eyes.

Maybe prostitutes aren't in need of a man's faithfulness or presence to feel "valued". What about single women ?--can they not feel "valued" ?

[Nienna]

Maybe prostitutes aren't in need of a man's faithfulness or presence to feel "valued". What about single women ?--can they not feel "valued" ?

Sure. If she doesn't sleep around. If a woman is sleeping around, she is selling herself short, no matter what she tells herself about "autonomy" and "choices." Just the way it is.

[Dilloduck]

Sure. If she doesn't sleep around. If a woman is sleeping around, she is selling herself short, no matter what she tells herself about "autonomy" and "choices." Just the way it is.

How about a single man who "sleeps around". Is he selling himself short too?

[Nienna]

How about a single man who "sleeps around". Is he selling himself short too?

Yeah, but not as much as he is selling the women short. Yep, I'm a sexist. :)

[Dilloduck]

Yeah, but not as much as he is selling the women short. Yep, I'm a sexist. :)

Marriage or abstinance is the answer for everyone ?

[Nienna]

Marriage or abstinance is the answer for everyone ?

Everyone makes his/her own choice, but the consequences are the same for everyone.

[Dilloduck]

Everyone makes his/her own choice, but the consequences are the same for everyone.

now quit dodging----you're really saying that one has to be married to experience fulfillment or abstinant to remain virtuous. :poke:

[Nienna]

now quit dodging----you're really saying that one has to be married to experience fulfillment or abstinant to remain virtuous. :poke:

Marriage is optimum.

And dodging? Look who's BAITING! ;)

[Dilloduck]

Marriage is optimum.

And dodging? Look who's BAITING! ;)

That's poking, you uppity married person !! :laugh2:

[Nienna]

That's poking, you uppity married person !! :laugh2:

Hmph... no poking ME unless you put a ring on my finger!

(I guess that's a little off-color. :o )

[Pale Rider]

Prostitution is unlike other “vices” because it is natural for a man to have sex with a woman. The only difference between prostitution and normal sexual relations is the monetary compensation exchanged for the woman’s time and service......

That was an excelent, and very candid post cj. Thank you for baring your soul, and my heart goes out to you.

My father was slightly abusive when I was growing up. It was all he knew. His dad was abusive. I grew up with an inferiority complex of sorts. The way my father was intimidated me, as well as pissed me off. I grew to know I didn't need to feel the way I felt, and learned fast that I could fight my way out of it. Yes, if someone pissed me off, I'd kick their ass. I guess I was taking out the aggression I felt towards my father out on them. However, early on, this inferiority complex also affected how I interacted with girls. They found me distant, mean, a loner. Although I've out grown all those feelings, I understand completely where you're coming from. Sex is probably the biggest thing I'll have to answer for to the Lord when I die, because my feelings towards it are open. I see nothing wrong with two consenting adults having sex, even if it's a financially arranged deal. For some, that's the only way they'll get it. Others will simply just take advantage of it. Either way, it's just sex, and sex doesn't always need to be accompanied with love.

[5stringJeff]

Marriage or abstinance is the answer for everyone ?

Morally speaking, yes.

[Mr. P]

Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
Marriage or abstinance is the answer for everyone ?


Morally speaking, yes.

I'll dare say many married folks don't regard sex any differently than they did when they were single. Being married doesn't change that.

[Dilloduck]

Morally speaking, yes.

Any New Testament links ?

[5stringJeff]

Any New Testament links ?

Matthew 15:18-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=15&verse=18&end_verse=20&version=31&context=context)

Romans 13:12-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=13&verse=12&end_verse=14&version=31&context=context)

1 Corinthians 6:12-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:12-20;&version=31;)

Galatians 5:19-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%205:19-21;&version=31;)

1 Thess. 4:3-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%204:3-5;&version=31;)

[Dilloduck]

Matthew 15:18-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=15&verse=18&end_verse=20&version=31&context=context)

Romans 13:12-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=13&verse=12&end_verse=14&version=31&context=context)

1 Corinthians 6:12-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:12-20;&version=31;)

Galatians 5:19-21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%205:19-21;&version=31;)

1 Thess. 4:3-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%204:3-5;&version=31;)

No "Jesus saids __ " ?

[5stringJeff]

No "Jesus saids __ " ?

That doesn't make it any more authoritative; the Bible says it. Although, Jesus is the one speaking in the Matthew quote.

[Mr. P]

Morally speaking, yes.

I knew this would go religious. Religion is why we can't buy alcohol on Sunday here at a store too. You can go drink at a restaurant then DRIVE home though.

You can have sex with your wife too but NOT any sex, some things are ILLEGAL!

Just dumb..IMO

[Dilloduck]

That doesn't make it any more authoritative; the Bible says it. Although, Jesus is the one speaking in the Matthew quote.

Not questioning the Bible. The many interpretaions are pretty vague though. I have a feeling that it's the puritanical interpretations regarding sexual conduct that have many people turning away from it as a whole. Too bad.

[5stringJeff]

I knew this would go religious. Religion is why we can't buy alcohol on Sunday here at a store too. You can go drink at a restaurant then DRIVE home though.

You can have sex with your wife too but NOT any sex, some things are ILLEGAL!

Just dumb..IMO

That's why I said that morally speaking, marriage or abstinence are the best options. I don't think it's good policy to make all adultery/fornication illegal.

[5stringJeff]

Not questioning the Bible. The many interpretaions are pretty vague though. I have a feeling that it's the puritanical interpretations regarding sexual conduct that have many people turning away from it as a whole. Too bad.

What was vague about the Bible verses I linked to?

[Dilloduck]

What was vague about the Bible verses I linked to?

marriage wasn't mentioned

[Pale Rider]

I knew this would go religious. Religion is why we can't buy alcohol on Sunday here at a store too. You can go drink at a restaurant then DRIVE home though.

You can have sex with your wife too but NOT any sex, some things are ILLEGAL!

Just dumb..IMO

I've bartended quite a bit in my life Mr. P, and ya how what? On Sunday my best crowd was the Catholics. They'd come in after mass or whatever, confession, and they'd drink like sailors.

So what does that say?

[Mr. P]

I've bartended quite a bit in my life Mr. P, and ya how what? On Sunday my best crowd was the Catholics. They'd come in after mass or whatever, confession, and they'd drink like sailors.

So what does that say?

The same as it says for the Baptists down here. :cheers2: